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Just checking interest and rules atm. This is the sign up phase, the game will start in late June/early July. THIS IS NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE!
Map:
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5174/wwieurtrae0.th.gif (https://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wwieurtrae0.gif)
Factions:
Great Britain - Julian the apostate
France - woad&fangs
Russia - Sarmatian
Germany - empty
Austria-Hungary - empty
Ottoman Empire - makaikhaan
Scandinavian League (Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway) - SwedishFish
Coalition of the Lowlands (Belgium and Holland) - scottishranger
Italy - Lt. Pinard
Serbia - shlin28
Bulgaria - Sarathos
Romania - {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88
Greece - King Jan III Sobieski
Iberia (Spain and Portugal) - Caius
Switzerland - Baby Boomer
Leaders:
Britain: John French, Douglas Haig, John Jellicoe, Horatio Herbert Kitchener, Lloyd George, Asquith
France: Raymond Poincaré, Georges Clemenceau, Joseph Joffre, Ferdinand Foch, Robert Nivelle, Philippe Pétain
Russia: Nikolas II, Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich, Alexander Samsonov, Paul von Rennenkampf, Nikolai Ivanov, Aleksei Brusilov
Germany: Wilhelm II, Erich von Falkenhayn, Paul von Hindenburg, Reinhard Scheer, Erich Ludendorff, Dieter von Franken
Austria-Hungary: Franz Josef I, Karl I, Conrad von Hötzendorf, Arthur Arz von Straussenburg, Anton Haus, Maximilian Njegovan
Ottoman Empire: Mehmed V, İsmail Enver, Wilhelm Souchon, Otto Liman von Sanders, Mustafa Kemal, Nafiz
Scandinavian League: Bjorn, Hjalmar, Lars, Torvald
Coalition of the Lowlands: Albert I, Dries
Italy: Victor Emmanuel III, Luigi Cadorna, Armando Diaz, Luigiof Abruzzi
Serbia: Radomir Putnik, Petar Bojović
Bulgaria: Vladimir Vazov, Nikola Zhekov
Romania: Constantin Prezan, Alexandru Averescu
Greece: Hippolytus, Antiphos
Iberia: Cristobal, Eduardo, Alfonso, Julio
Switzerland: Henrik, Wolfgang
Populations (stolen from Motep :beam:)
France - 39,500,000
United Kingdom - 45,500,000
Germany - 67,000,000
Ottoman - 21,000,000
Russia - 159,000,000
Italy - 35,600,000
Austria-Hungary - 51,500,000
Serbia - 4,500,000
Bulgaria - 5,500,000
Iberia - 46,000,000
Switzerland - 4,000,000
Greece - 4,800,000
Scandinavian League - 30,000,000
Coalition of the Lowlands - 12,500,000
Romania - 5,000,000
Starting Military: (also stolen from Motep :sweatdrop: )
France - 8,400,000
United Kingdom - 8,900,000
Germany - 11,000,000
Ottoman - 2,900,000
Russia - 12,000,000
Italy - 5,600,000
Austria-Hungary - 7,800,000
Serbia - 700,000
Bulgaria - 1,200,000
Spain - 8,650,000
Switzerland - 500,000
Greece - 300,000
Scandinavian League- 1,500,000
Coalition of the Lowlands - 800,000
Romania - 900,000
Rules:
money:
starting treasury=amount of leaders*1 million
income=1/2 population per turn
defences:
standard trench:costs 80,000 per cm on map and takes 1 turn to build. Each cm holds 50,000 infantry max.
fortified trench:costs 150,000per cm on map and takes 1 turn to build, requires trench already in place. Each cm holds 50,000 infantry max.
underground dugouts (bonus from artillery):costs 200,000 per cm on map and takes 2 turns to build, requires fortified trench in place. Each cm holds 40,000 infantry max.
artillery: costs 10,000 per battery, used to bombard enemy before an assault. Costs 1,000 per turn for each battery while firing. Can cause 60-360 casualties per turn of firing per battery. 1cm range on a 200% version of the map.
upgrade soldiers: (note that it is only possible to advance men up one tier per turn, no jumps from untrained to elite)
untrained:newly recruited soldiers.Can recruit up to 10% of population each
turn for 1 per person.
standard:all starting soldiers are standard, costs 1 per soldier otherwise.
specialised: costs 5 per soldier
elite: costs 10 per soldier
best of the best:costs 15 per soldier
population:goes up by 5% per turn, can be gained faster through conquest.
technology:
light tanks:100,000 to initially research and then 500 per tank.
heavy tanks:a further 200,000 to research and then 1,000 per tank. Far more effective than light tanks.
gas:200,000 to research, 2 per soldier for gas masks. Effective against defences. 1,000 per gas bomb.
machine guns:50,000 to research and a further 200 per gun, can only be used in defence.
armies: can be of any size but may only move into enemy territory if they number at lest 50,000, must be commanded by a leader unless garrisoning a fort or city.
orders:send me what soldiers will accompany each leader which defences will be built, and research for new technology, the places each army will head towards and any upgrades you wish to purchase. I will post the deadline for the next set of orders.
alliances:
GB-France-Russia
Germay-AH-Ottomans
all others neutral but can join the main alliances publicly or privately and may even form their own alliance (eg-balklans alliance between Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania)
battles:if two forces hit each other then I will use the following method of deciding the battle:
army strength:
soldiers:untrained:0.1 each, attack and defence.
standard:0.5 each, attack and defence.
specialised:1 each, attack and defence.
elite:1.5 each, attack and defence.
best of the best:2.5 each, attack and defence.
light tanks:30 attack and 40 defence
heavy tanks:50 attack and 60 defence
machine guns:+50 defence each, no attack.
gas:100 attack per bomb.
trenches:
standard: x1.5 defence for infantry
fortified: x2
dugouts: x4
military base:x10 for garrison
to resolve battle:
total attack strength of attacking army and total defence of defending army timesed by a dice roll. Highest number wins and casualties will be randomised.
Transport by sea: costs 1 per soldier, 20 per tank, 50 per battery per cm of sea to transport. Maximum of 4cm movement in one turn. Note that you may not transport through the Dardanelles or the gap between Denmark and Sweden without the owning faction's permission or if they are no troops in the immediate radius.
Military bases: can garrison up to 500,000 troops, cost 500,000 to build and take 2 turns to build. Can only be built in friendly territory.
Capitals:loss results in massive economy drop, can garrison up to 2,000,000 troops and has the same defensive bonuses as a dug out.
Leaders:tell me which direction you would like them to move, average of one or two cm per turn. Can have any amount of soldiers with them.
research:it is only possible to research one item (eg:light tanks, gas or machine guns) per turn due to lack of manpower on the scientific front.
Spies: can detect enemy troops in a rough estimate of numbers and rough placement on the map. However Elite and BoB class troops can not be detected.
suggestions welcome.
Current Wars:
Entente vs Central Powers
Germany vs Lowlands
Austria-Hungary vs Serbia
more to be edited in...
Lt. Pinard
04-24-2008, 17:50
I'm interested. I was Italy in the last failed WW1 interactive and I still have all the research and battle plans had I made.
I'd play Germany.
I still have the starting navy sizes of all the nations in a graph if you would like it.
The specific problem I had was a way to calculate how battles would go. I couldn't figure anything out to simulate them, and that was the biggest reason why I had to prematurely end my game. I hope you can figure out a way.
okay I'll put you in, I am still writing the rules but they should be done soon.
edit:navy sizes would be great thanks :yes:
You don't have any PM space.
woad&fangs
04-24-2008, 18:45
I'd like to play as France
you two have been added and I have put up the first draft of rules, suggested very welcome, these are off the top of my head and will doubtless be improved by you veterans :yes:
In as Serbia please :yes:
...
Thats right! I want to play as a small country!!! :clown:
notice that Serbia also controls Albania and Montenegro to remove some of the smaller factions. If all 6 major factions are filled at the start then I don't care who you are.
Edit: Never mind please delete
Sarmatian
04-24-2008, 22:27
Sign me up Russia and let's see if I will be the last of the Romanov's :D. Just make it at least a little bit historical. Last time half of the great powers weren't at war with each other and there was no point in the game. GB, France, AH, Russia and Germany should start at war...
seireikhaan
04-24-2008, 23:01
Ottoman Empire.
khaan as an ally. I'm ruined. :bigcry: :thumbsup:
Julian the apostate
04-25-2008, 02:00
I'd love to take England if no one has yet
PrinceofTroy
04-25-2008, 03:26
Austria-Hungary if no one has it yet?
I'll take the Scandinavian League.
Baby Boomer
04-25-2008, 07:37
Elite Ferret, I would like to play as Switzerland please.
you are all being added in, everyone okay with the rules? Still a bit about fleets to be added and let me know if I missed anything else.
edit:and Sarmatian the two main alliances start off at war.
I have decided to omit fleets for fear of over-complicating the game but it will be possible to transport navies by sea and one British general can start on the North coast of France and one German general can start in Southern Belgium.
See rules for updated section on sea transport and the building of military bases.
Can everyone please send me where their leaders will be placed and where their soldiers will be (garrisons may be placed in the military bases and capitals I have added to the map-the small circles are bases and the squares are capitals).
edit:state in text whereabouts the leaders should be, I have small flags to represent them on map.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-25-2008, 19:23
nooooooo, me Swiss are taken!! :sweatdrop: :wall:
I lke to take Romania please then! :-)
sure, please send me the PM I said about above (initial deployment).
King Jan III Sobieski
04-25-2008, 21:19
Can I sign up for Greece?
so long as you send me your initial deployment yeah :clown:
added rules for leaders, capitals and military bases (replace forts pretty much)
scottishranger
04-25-2008, 22:22
Can I sign up?
Coalition of the Lowlands Please...
Tiberius of the Drake
04-26-2008, 02:54
Ill take Spain if anyone hasnt taken it yet.
Your map seems to be a little off. Finland was part of Russia at the time, unless the Russians would like to cede that territory to the League :smash: ?
What's up with the dots on the map? I'll send my orders in tomorrow or Sunday.
Sarathos
04-26-2008, 09:39
I would like to take Bulgeria, lucky last.
I know the map is a little off, but it is close enough for me :yes:
The black circles are Military bases, they have their own section in the rules.
Sarathos has been added.
And just to make clear, initial deployment is just deployment, you can't build trenches yet. And leaders can go anywhere in your lands (so far everyone has put them as a garison).
Ill take Spain if anyone hasnt taken it yet.
I've taken it.
also just to clear up (didn't mention it in the rules) soldeirs can only deploy with a leader or in a military base/capital. They cannot move around alone, they must be led.
Sarmatian
04-27-2008, 13:17
Your map seems to be a little off. Finland was part of Russia at the time, unless the Russians would like to cede that territory to the League :smash: ?
Hmm... Let me think about it... NO! :laugh4:
Ok, guys just a couple of suggestions:
Right now, income is 1/2 of the population. Good idea, simple to calculate. But this also means that Russia is going to have income more than two times bigger that the second placed. Russia in the WW1 wasn't really the richest state, and having greater income than Germany and UK put together is bit "unbalancing". So maybe we can make specific rule, like in the case of Russia, income is 1/3 of the population, not 1/2?
Second, Serbia needs to be "buffed up". This was the golden age of the Serbian military. Serbia stopped three AH offensives (which were supported by Germans) and even counterattacked and regained control of almost entire country. Only in 1915, when there was terrible typhos epidemics in which 70,000 soldiers died and when Bulgaria entered the war and opened a third front, did Serbian army started to withdraw. Even with typhos, lack of food and several time bigger opposing armies, Serbian Army managed to withdraw in good order to Corfu. When they reached Corfu, average soldier looked like he just got out of Auschwitz, only skin and bones. But nevertheless, they recovered, and some time later, together with French armies they managed to win several stunning victories, breakthrough of the Thessaloniki front among them. Althought they lacked supplies, they were highly motivated and drilled, most of them being veterans of the two Balkan wars, and under excellent commanders.
So, just a few touch ups to steer the IH in the right direction. If we see AH gobbling up entire Serbia in the first attack, and then Russia winning everything because of its huge income (right now Russia has an income of 80 millions, while Central Powers together have an income of 70 millions), it's a bit of a "turn off", at least for me. Not that I would mind having the highest income, as I'm leading Russia, but I would rather have a bit of realism...
Sarathos
04-27-2008, 13:25
Some very good points, I say we make it everyone verus Russia. :evilgrin:
well seeing as you are Russia then I doubt there will be any opposition to this new rule. I have been looking at the old threads and thinking about what to do with Russia. If everyone agrees it is low enough I will lower it to 1/3 of their population.
About Serbia: I have also been thinking about making some countries have less troops but far more powerful ones and suchlike. How about a rule that states that all Swiss forces start off as specialist and 400,000 Serbians are specialists. Would this be to everyone's satisfaction or should the Serbians be made more powerful?
I'm glad to see the rules are finally being questioned, I wrote these all in one go and have not tested them at all so all suggestions are welcome.
edit:I was also thinking of nerfing Iberia slightly (sorry Caius) because at the moment if the joined the Central Powers France will be annihilated, especially if Italy also joins them. Though I suppose this opens up more chances for diplomacy, Caius could demand tribute every turn for peace or something, anyone think that Iberia is too powerful?
PrinceofTroy
04-27-2008, 13:45
Should we send you the initial deployment now? And can we start diplomacy yet, like making alliances and stuff?:balloon2:
PrinceofTroy
04-27-2008, 14:14
OK, I'll Probably get mine into you today then.:beam:
well seeing as you are Russia then I doubt there will be any opposition to this new rule. I have been looking at the old threads and thinking about what to do with Russia. If everyone agrees it is low enough I will lower it to 1/3 of their population.
About Serbia: I have also been thinking about making some countries have less troops but far more powerful ones and suchlike. How about a rule that states that all Swiss forces start off as specialist and 400,000 Serbians are specialists. Would this be to everyone's satisfaction or should the Serbians be made more powerful?
I'm glad to see the rules are finally being questioned, I wrote these all in one go and have not tested them at all so all suggestions are welcome.
edit:I was also thinking of nerfing Iberia slightly (sorry Caius) because at the moment if the joined the Central Powers France will be annihilated, especially if Italy also joins them. Though I suppose this opens up more chances for diplomacy, Caius could demand tribute every turn for peace or something, anyone think that Iberia is too powerful?
I DEMAND A STRONGER SERBIA!!!
:clown:
I will second the petition of a Weaker Serbia.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-27-2008, 16:47
I get my orders n Today, Do not worry! :clown: :egypt:
Sarmatian
04-27-2008, 21:40
well seeing as you are Russia then I doubt there will be any opposition to this new rule. I have been looking at the old threads and thinking about what to do with Russia. If everyone agrees it is low enough I will lower it to 1/3 of their population.
About Serbia: I have also been thinking about making some countries have less troops but far more powerful ones and suchlike. How about a rule that states that all Swiss forces start off as specialist and 400,000 Serbians are specialists. Would this be to everyone's satisfaction or should the Serbians be made more powerful?
I'm glad to see the rules are finally being questioned, I wrote these all in one go and have not tested them at all so all suggestions are welcome.
edit:I was also thinking of nerfing Iberia slightly (sorry Caius) because at the moment if the joined the Central Powers France will be annihilated, especially if Italy also joins them. Though I suppose this opens up more chances for diplomacy, Caius could demand tribute every turn for peace or something, anyone think that Iberia is too powerful?
I agree, I don't believe we need to buff up Serbia anymore with better troops, since it would be even worse to see Serbs taking Vienna. Strengthening Serbia's defensive position makes more sense, like placing trenches (1st level) on it's border with Austria. It would also make sense since terrain on Austro-Serbian border was very difficult (river crossing and big mountains).
Also, you said were not gonna have navies, but I guess it would be possible to transport troops by sea, no? To keep it under control I suggest that each country can only transport 500.000 soldiers each turn and that they reach their destination in two turns (if there is a friendly port of course) in case of the Entente and three turns in case of Central Powers. Why longer in the case of Central Powers? Well to give at least some benefit to Britain and France since they wont be able to use in any other way their powerful navies...
When transporting anything other than soldiers (like machine guns and tanks later) it could go something like this:
1 machine gun = 100 soldiers
1 artillery piece = 200 soldiers
1 light tank = 500 soldiers
1 heavy tank = 1000 soldiers
To limit the possibility of delivering huge amounts of soldiers and equipment in just a few turns
Also, when recruiting new armies, those troops should be taken out of the population of the country (thus hurting income) so that we don't see armies 50,000,000 strong later in the IH. I don't know if you already had this planned, I assume you did, but just checking.
One more thing, Elite Ferret, you said geography and terrain won't have any effect, I guess for fear of over complicating the game. I think we can implement at least something and still keep it simple, namely, mountains and rivers. But, not to over complicate it we could only use really big and important mountains and rivers lake Alps, Balkan mountains, Pyrenees and Danube, Volga etc... to give some bonuses to the defenders. Just a suggestion. Also maybe some bonuses for the defenders if the opponent attacks by water.
Now something not IH related, for everyone who is WW1 geek like I am :laugh4: . Great risk-style strategy game about WW1. Simple yet highly addictive, with great AI, and possibility of playing with 5 other human players (3 in the Entente and 3 Central Powers). It's abandonware now, so for all those who like WW1 and don't have it yet, I present you Fields of Battle (http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/strategy_games/games_e_f/fields_of_battle.html)
scottishranger
04-27-2008, 23:01
My orders will be in by Tuesday at the latest.
Lt. Pinard
04-27-2008, 23:33
Sry I haven't got my orders in yet I was out doing field training with my army unit. And I dont know if I'll get to them today, cause I'm exhausted (3 hours of sleep all weekend.)
Sarathos
04-28-2008, 00:22
With the orders, do you state where we will deploy our military in directions (move northeast) or do we actually name towns/cities etc.?
King Jan III Sobieski
04-28-2008, 04:56
Greece rules! :yes: :yes: :yes:
@Sarmatian:there is already rules for transport via sea, read the first post.
@scottishranger+Pinard:there is no rush, the deadline is the end of June... :clown:
@Sarathos:just state where the leaders will be in a general area and say how many troops will be with that leader and how many in each military base/capital.
Sarmatian
04-28-2008, 20:41
@Sarmatian:there is already rules for transport via sea, read the first post.
Must have missed it. Sorry, my bad.
no worries, and also recruiting will come out of popultaion levels. I also put a max amount of recruitment per turn to represent the amount of able bodied men at that time.
Why we have to wait a lot of time?
I'll have my placements in later today. Been busy.
@Caius:we have to wait a lot of time because I have exams whoch I need to concentrate on but I wanted to start as soon as I could and so set it up now.
@Ichigo:no rush mate :)
@Caius:we have to wait a lot of time because I have exams whoch I need to concentrate on but I wanted to start as soon as I could and so set it up now.
Don't worry, just forgive the exams. You won't have to study. :beam:
King Jan III Sobieski
05-02-2008, 03:40
I, Constantine I, King of the Hellenes (Κωνσταντίνος A', Βασιλεύς των Ελλήνων) was born on 2 August 1868 and have ruled Greece since 1913. The organization of the 1896 Summer Olympics has been one of my most proud accomplishments; I appointed a committee to prepare Athens for the Games and kept a close watch to ensure that their tasks were completed.
Greece, under my leadership, will continue to persevere in this conflict.
Still awaiting initial deployment from:
Great Britain - Julian the apostate
Austria-Hungary - PrinceofTroy
Ottoman Empire - makaikhaan
Scandinavian League - SwedishFish
Italy - Lt. Pinard
Bulgaria - Sarathos
Switzerland - Baby Boomer
If things go well I will move the start date to next week so we can get this rlling earlier. I've played a quick test game with a simpler version of the rules and haven't found any glaring flaws, though you guys will find some I'm sure :beam:
It is not a bad thing if you miss initial deployment as I can do that for you unbiasedly but from now on if two deadlines on the trot are missed I will look for a replacement, unless I am notified that a certain deadline cannot be met. Thanks guys.
YAY! ITS BACK! :smash:
FEAR TEH UBER MIGHT OF SERBIA!!!
it was never gone lol, it did say in the first post that it wasn't starting 'till Summer but I may be able to do so earlier now so I wanted to make sure everyone deployed the way they wanted rather than have me do it :yes:
King Jan III Sobieski
05-20-2008, 02:50
YAY! ITS BACK! :smash:
FEAR TEH UBER MIGHT OF SERBIA!!!
Calm down, my Balkan brother. We must tread carefully in these troubled times.
:yes: :egypt: :yes:
Sarathos
05-22-2008, 04:55
So, has the game started yet...?
So, has the game started yet...?
EF said he was waiting on deployments from people, and would maybe start next week.
Seeing as many of these people are unresponsive atm I'm gonna shoot 'em all a PM this afternoon (GMT) and if they haven't replied by Saturday I'll do there deployment for them and then I'll post the intro chapter and you can send in your full set of orders for turn one, complete with recruitment, upgrades, research etc.
edit: I have also updated the rules on research so that it is not possible to research everything in one go.
Sarmatian
05-22-2008, 21:50
[accent=british]I resent that remark, my good sir and demand satisfaction. I choose pistols at twenty paces. Be a good chap and appear on the Tower bridge at noon tommorow[accent]
I've sent you my orders two weeks ago, I've even drawn where are my troops on the map. Just in case you missed them, I've sent them again...
On the issue of research, shouldn't it be better to wait until they were historically avaible? Like, we can't research tanks until 1915?
And I have a question about troop transport - can I transport my troops past the Boshporus? At the beggining, Ottomans are holding both ends of the Straits, it would be logical that Entente nations can't move pass them until they hold at least on end. So, what's the deal with that? Opened or closed?
good question, and tbh I hadn't thought of that. I'm gonna say no so long as they still hold both sides and have a garrison in their capital (or another military base along the straights). The same goes for the gap between Denmark and Sweden, I'll update the first post.
Sorry about forgetting your orders...
King Jan III Sobieski
05-25-2008, 04:18
Did I send in my orders, Elite?
seireikhaan
05-25-2008, 16:30
Any orders still not in?
yeah, all of the following:
Great Britain - Julian the apostate (done by me)
Austria-Hungary - PrinceofTroy (done by me)
Scandinavian League - SwedishFish (done by me)
Switzerland - Baby Boomer (done by me)
edit: which means I'll deploy for them tomorrow morning and we can start the game at last.
Sarmatian
05-26-2008, 00:15
It might be better to postpone a day or two more. That's GB, AH and Italy there...
Baby Boomer hasn't been on since April 29th. The rest were on today.
scottishranger
05-26-2008, 02:44
Cant wait for this to get started.
My orders have already been sent in. I'll resend them if you cannot find them.
You said "mobilisation of Denmark", that isn't exactly what the orders are supposed to be like :laugh4:
You said "mobilisation of Denmark", that isn't exactly what the orders are supposed to be like :laugh4:
Well, I have no real big orders
So you don't care where your armies are placed? In that case I'll put every soldier you have on the Northern most coast of Norway :clown:
Sarmatian
05-26-2008, 20:47
Place entire army in Iceland :laugh4:
Before we start, I'd like to offer the chance to Central Powers to surrender now and save themselves the humiliation. :smash:
Place entire army in Iceland :laugh4:
Before we start, I'd like to offer the chance to Central Powers to surrender now and save themselves the humiliation. :smash:
How many donuts are you offering me to surrender?
Sarathos
05-27-2008, 04:51
How many donuts are you offering me to surrender?
12, plus Ice cream.
12, plus Ice cream.
hmm... I don't think so :tongue:
PrinceofTroy
05-27-2008, 22:04
Can i still send my orders in ?:embarassed:
scottishranger
05-28-2008, 01:06
Of course, yes.
King Jan III Sobieski
05-28-2008, 02:50
hmm... I don't think so :tongue:
Why do the Central Powers have to be so unreasonable? I'll be willing to up the previous offer to 15 donuts and 2 gallons of Neapolitan ice cream. :inquisitive:
Why do the Central Powers have to be so unreasonable? I'll be willing to up the previous offer to 15 donuts and 2 gallons of Neapolitan ice cream. :inquisitive:
I need more land to grow my donut trees and my ice cream trees on. Then I'll be able to produce my own, and since no one wants to give me any land I have to take it by force. My people demand donuts and ice cream! :hmg:
Sarmatian
05-28-2008, 13:46
Why do the Central Powers have to be so unreasonable? I'll be willing to up the previous offer to 15 donuts and 2 gallons of Neapolitan ice cream. :inquisitive:
We could even go to 20 donuts and 3 gallons of ice cream but don't tell them that in the beggining.
Ferret, when do we start?
Soon is all I can say, I waited a little longer as some deployment orders were still trickling in and I'd rather the players did it than me. Soon though I will have enough time to do it and then we can start.
Okay I have a little free time this evening so I'll see whether I can get everyone's initial deployment done. I've got a lot of exams next week though so I may return to the original start date (12th June)
Right all countries have been deployed. If you sent me your orders but did not recieve a reply with a visual representation (on the map) please PM and I wll get them to you. Now I shall start to write the Intro and then we can begin.
Sorry for the triple post btw...
July 1914, turn one.
The great Nations of the World are gearing themselves for War. After the death of the Austrian Duke, Franz Ferdinand, Serbia has been invaded. Following this nearly all nations were drawn into what would become the greatest war of all time.
Two major alliances opposed each other and many supposedly neutral nations were also dragged in. The Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria and the Ottoman Empire are all at war with the Triple Entente of Britain, Russia and France. Germany is also poised to invade the Lowlands, the very reason Britain have joined the war. Despite the rest of the Nations being neutral now, the events to follow will surely change this as World leaders join the alliance they see as most likely victors.
Britain:
Though your Empire is extensive it is too soon for any troops to join the war in Europe, you must make do with British soldiers for the time being. You have also guaranteed the neutrality of the Lowlands Coalition, thus the BEF (a force of 1 million men) is now stationed on mainland Europe. You have many options available, you could sail huge armies into France (providing their leader agrees) and hoe to hold off the Germans there and let matters sort themself out in the East. Another option would be to invade Scandinavia, or else gain military access from there leader, and from there open up a third front with the Germans. Due to the greatness of the British navy sailing will be faster and cheaper for your troops, making it possible for you to land in Germany itself or even sail an army to confront the Iberians.
France:
You are one of the greatest powers of Europe, fielding a vast army. However the Germans are even more powerful and are massing large armies on your borders. There are also other potential threats further South. It is likely the Swiss will remain neutral but you must be prepared for every eventuality. The Iberians have an army to rival your own now that Spain and Portugal are united and you do not have the soldiers to hold of them and the Germans, a peaceful solution would be preferable, perhaps even a bribe. There are also the Italians, if they were to join the Central Powers you would face a united front and surely be overrun, diplomacy is key.
Russia:
You have a mighty horde of soldiers at your disposal, but your lands are poor and your economy unstable. You share a vast frontier with the Germans, Austrians and Ottomans and if they coordinate their attacks against you they will break through somewhere, it is not possible to defend the lengthy borders you have. It is worth contacting the Scandinavians and Balkan nations to join you, as if they were pressing hard against the Central Powers it would allow your troops to push into enemy lands.
Germany:
You have never been so powerful before! With this confidence the Kaiser has massed huge armies set to invade Russia and France who surely cannot stop your soldiers. Still it would be preferable to increase this horde even further by gaining allies such as the Italians or Iberians, even the Swiss may join you if the right things are offered.
Austria:
You are now the dominant power in the Balkans. Serbia should not last long against your armies and once they fall you will have the money to launch invasions of Bulgaria and Romania. However the Russians may prove a problem, they will likely attack you before you have secured these lands and so perhaps it would be preferable to have them as allies, at least until the Russians are taken care of.
Ottomans:
Though your Empire is far smaller than it once was, and is clearly waning, the Ottomans are still a force to be recognised. You have a few options available to you as well. At the moment there is only one enemy that is a threat to you and they also share borders with your powerful allies and so will be weak and your men could swarm through their defences and secure the Southern Steppes for the Empire. It would also be possible to recreate the invasion of Greece as the Perians did, as the armies there are far smaller than their own and you could likely concentrate on them if the Russians are kept busy by your allies. Greece would also provide a staging point for an invasion of the rich lands of Italy if they prove hostile to you and your allies.
Scandinavia:
You are a neutral nation surrounded by those at war. There are threats of invasion by the Germans from the South, the British from the West and the Russians from the East. Your small armies could not stand up to any of these alone never mind all at once. Perhaps it would be wise to join of the Alliances and then seek to invade the lands of the others, kept busy by your new allies.
Coalition of the Lowlands:
Now that the two nations of Belgium and the Netherlands have united you stand a better chance of surviving the German invasion, especially with the help of the one million strong BEF. Unfortunately there are little diplomatic opportunities for your nation despite being officially neutral in the war you are still allied with the Entente and at war with the Central Powers. Though of course, in war, everything can change.
Italy:
Once rulers of nearly all Europe Italy is but a shadow of it's former glory. However the coming war may give you a chance to change that. There are many possibilities open to you. You could join the Entente and attempt to gain land in Germany or Austria. You could join the Triple Alliance and launch and invasion of France, your Eastern front secured. Or you could remain neutral and seek land elsewhere, in Iberia or the Balkans. Or if you have no interest in glory at all you could sit tight and build up defences in Italy.
Serbia:
You are the leader of a small but proud nation. The recent annexation of Montenegro has swelled your ranks though facing the might of Austria seems a daunting prospect. However you may be able to draw Austrian forces away from your lands by pleading to Italy, and the Balkan nations to join you in war.
Bulgaria:
A small neutral nation. The coming war could make your country great or force you to see it destroyed. As it stands you have no hope of surviving against your larger neighbours though a war with the Romanians could gain new land and riches for Bulgaria. That is if you want war, it may be better to sit tight and build defences, hoping the Ottomans don't invade.
Romania:
You are commander of a small army indeed. As it stands you cannot hope to compete with any of your neighbours alone. It is advisable to join one of the great powers on your borders or perhaps attempt to form the Balkan alliance in an attempt to pull through the coming war.
Greece:
Once the 'trendsetters' of all Europe, Greece is a country without power now. Though the coming war may weaken your neighbours enough to be ripe for invasion...
Iberia:
Now that the two nations of Iberia are united you are truly a force to be reckoned with and one of the greatest nations of Europe. You could condemn the French to death by invading their Southern lands or sail the Mediterranean and launch a large invasion of Italy, securing the large lands there. It would even be possible to construct a second Spanish armada and invade the lush isles of Britain.
Switzerland:
The epitome of neutrality. Your nation prefers to stay out of all wars, relying on the mountains to protect you so that your economy can continue to boom. However this war is unlike any past war and you may well find yourself dragged into it.
Turn one orders due in by 12th June
I'd also like to add that a very sharp member has alerted me to a problem with the rules. At this moment there is no way whatsoever to guage how powerful enemy forces are near your own troops and so you cannot make an accurate decision on whether ot is worth attacking or not.
So I am adding a new rule that states that if you ask me I will alert you of all troops within a 2cm radius of your leaders to represent spies.
Sorry for the quintuple post but you guys don't talk much :laugh4:
Sarmatian
06-02-2008, 01:27
I think that will involve too much micromanagement and is essentially flawed. I could keep 1,000,000 soldiers 1cm from opposing troops and 5,000,000 one a half cm further to come to their aid.
I believe it would be better to know approximately where opposing troops are and app. their number.
For example in the case of Russia I've stationed 1,000,000 troops 2cm south of Moscow, you could inform other players like this: There are Russian troops somewhere in the vicinity of Moscow, their number is between 0 and 2,500,000.
That way all the players will know app how much troops there are and where are they. I feel that this game will involve mostly massive battles, often involving few million men. It would be impossible to hide army movements on such a scale. Also, it would prevent possible "hoarding" of troops in your territory - for example I train 30,000,000 soldiers and mass them in Ukraine and unleash them all at once if a frontline is broken. In that day and age it would be impossible to hide app. number of soldiers from the enemy and their general location. I find it hard to believe that Germany didn't know how much soldiers Russia had. I mean maybe they didn't know that there was exactly 13,290,173 but they knew that there were between 12 and 15 millions. And maybe they didn't know exactly the place where they were but I doubt that they didn't know whether 3,000,000 russian soldiers were in St. Petersburg or in Caucassus.
This wa you could show on the map general location of all troops and their app. numbers. Then each turn just post the map and everyone is happy and informed. If you must talk to all players via PM each turn and then to check all PM's to see if there are any troops 2cm from their leader, you'd get confused pretty quickly. At least I know I would. Also, armies can be stationed in the capital or base withour a leader. So that could potentially lead to situation where Austrians don't know that there is 4,000,000 strong French army on the outskirts of Vienna if they don't have a leader there.
So to sum it, IMHO, this is the easiest, cleanest and most simple way.
But, it's your call of course, just making a suggestion. I don't wan't to hijack your IH :juggle2:
P.S. Sorry for the long post
Yeah a good post, as I said originally I am always open to improvements as I'm not really experienced in this kind of thing. We'll trial your system for a few turns and if everyone is happy with it we'll carry on with it, sound good to you?
Sarmatian
06-02-2008, 11:47
Whatever sound good to you sounds great to me :laugh4:
I'll never get a million men... ~:mecry:
Is there something good going on? I can be an excellent ally, you know that. So... I am open to every ideas to win the war. Or to finish it.
I can offer you a hovel and two cattles, will you fight for Greater Serbia?
^ this is a good deal, trust me...
I wrote the rules I would know :yes:
I can offer you a hovel and two cattles, will you fight for Greater Serbia?
Make it three, add a chicken, and we'll talk.
3 hovels or 3 cattles? I can't afford both... :shame:
Hovels must be mightily expensive in Serbia, you do have 2 million <insert generic currency here>
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-05-2008, 18:03
Make it three, add a chicken, and we'll talk.
How About Some Cashews And Milk Instead??
Hovels must be mightily expensive in Serbia, you do have 2 million <insert generic currency here>
Well after all my leet defences I don't exactly have much cash left... I DEMAND A RICHER SERBIA!
Of course! All demands shall be met, Serbia now has 50 kabillion trillion gazillion moles (6x10^23) of generic currency units. Only problem is all of this free money caused massive hyperinflation so now a loaf of bread costs 40 kabillion trillion gazillion moles. :clown:
By 'richer' I meant cash which is economically viable... :furious3:
King Jan III Sobieski
06-07-2008, 02:38
Wat? *Invades Poland*
Tsk, tsk, such aggression! :smg::hmg:
scottishranger
06-07-2008, 22:38
How close are we to playing?
Well so far only 3 people have sent in orders, which is discouraging. This could mean we'd have to replace some people who haven't done anything since signing up which will mean it could take a while longer.
PrinceofTroy
06-08-2008, 14:47
Sorry I haven't got my orders in, was going to wait till near deadline, but I'll try to get them in today. :beam:
Well so far only 3 people have sent in orders, which is discouraging. This could mean we'd have to replace some people who haven't done anything since signing up which will mean it could take a while longer.
Would the host be so kind as to destroy those nations who has yet to send in orders? :clown: Poor Serbia sure could use your help...
Sarmatian
06-09-2008, 00:33
By 'richer' I meant cash which is economically viable... :furious3:
Don't worry. You what they say, "It's not what you know, it's who you know" and at this moment you have some powerful friends... :juggle2:
So... how many people sent in orders?
probably only around half, maybe less. Tomorrow I'll be PMing those who have only missed orders once and looking for replacements for those who have missed orders both times. I really don't want to have to play half of the factions myself...
Players who haven't sent in orders this turn, but did last turn:
none now
Players that haven't sent in any orders yet:
PrinceofTroy
Baby Boomer
as you can see this is around half of the players.
I am opening up Austria for anyone to take as it is no good having one of the major powers unplayed :no:
As for those on the first list, they have until Sunday 10:00 GMT :whip:
No Austria playing? Awsome :laugh4:
*Hums the Serbian national anthem*
Sarmatian
06-13-2008, 23:41
Just to announce that Bulgaria and Greece are officially members of the Entente. Any attack on them by a neutral country will be considered the same as the attack on Russia, and Russia will respond accordingly and decisively. That goes for an attack on any other member of the Entente of course.
I'm sure the official declaration of war on the Central Powers by Bulgaria and Greece will follow shortly...
King Jan III Sobieski
06-14-2008, 03:56
Just to announce that Bulgaria and Greece are officially members of the Entente. Any attack on them by a neutral country will be considered the same as the attack on Russia, and Russia will respond accordingly and decisively. That goes for an attack on any other member of the Entente of course.
I'm sure the official declaration of war on the Central Powers by Bulgaria and Greece will follow shortly...
To the enemies of the Greek nation: :tnt:
Sarathos
06-14-2008, 12:11
A segment from a popular Buglarian radio show.
President Vladimir Vazov of Bulgaria
To the people of Buglaria, it is my duty as President of this great country, to annouce that Buglaria has entered into this international conflict as a member of the Triple Ententre. I hereby formally and officially declare war on the alliance of the Central powers....God bless Bulgaria, and may this conflict soon be resolved.
:smash:
I'll give a hovel to whoever who enters Vienna first!!!
Shame Greece haven't sent in their orders though...
apart from that only Scandinavia and Switzerland haven't. Good work guys. About the write up....well it may be done tomorrow if I have the time but it's likely I wont and if I don't it'll be done on Wednesday. Hopefully you can wait that long...
Sarmatian
06-15-2008, 00:22
A segment from a popular Buglarian radio show.
President Vladimir Vazov of Bulgaria
To the people of Buglaria, it is my duty as President of this great country, to annouce that Buglaria has entered into this international conflict as a member of the Triple Ententre. I hereby formally and officially declare war on the alliance of the Central powers....God bless Bulgaria, and may this conflict soon be resolved.
Bulgaria was a monarchy during WW1, I believe :book:
King Jan III Sobieski
06-15-2008, 03:58
Shame Greece haven't sent in their orders though...
apart from that only Scandinavia and Switzerland haven't. Good work guys. About the write up....well it may be done tomorrow if I have the time but it's likely I wont and if I don't it'll be done on Wednesday. Hopefully you can wait that long...
:furious3: I just did!!! :furious3:
:turtle::laugh4::turtle:
:smash:
Radio message, news reel and press release from Constantine I, King of the Hellenes:
I, your humble king and servant of the people, wish to announce that Greece has entered into a defensive alliance with the Kingdoms of Bulgaria and Russia. We seek no aggression, and those who would physically do us ill should be warned.
Doing the writeup now, a lot of work :(
All I can say at the moment is: there's gonna be a hell of a battle in Southern Belgium :beam:
The Battle of Bastogne, July 1914
Map:
https://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8477/battleofbastognezg8.th.gif (https://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=battleofbastognezg8.gif)
The BEF, led by Haig, had been in Belgium for some years now due to the pact the British had signed to protect Belgian neutrality. However after the formation of the Lowlands Coalition political relations had changed and the Germans had been allowed to march their army into Belgium unopposed. A Lowlands official had also sent Haig a message asking the British to leave Belgium but he hadn't, he couldn't leave Belgium so defenceless against the newly arrived German horde. Instead he camped his army in the Belgian village of Bastogne and awaited the arrival of the Germans.
However he was not alone. French Generals Joffre and Foche had heard that the Germans had entered Belgium and so, while making sure their borders were still secure, they led an army each, both comprising of 2 and a half million French soldiers. This meant that the Entente forces now numbered some 6 million, 1 million of those being the specialist BEF under Haig. In addition to this Haig had recently constructed some 300 artillery batteries, more than had ever been fielded in an army before. However due to his exposed position Haig was low on supplies and so only 100 of those batteries would be able to fire if any battle commenced.
A few weeks later a Belgian army of 650,000 arrived and asked the British and French to leave or face war. This was a bold move seeing as the Belgians were so outnumbered and so the Entente leaders declined, but made no advance on the Belgians and instead waited for the Germans.
The next morning the German army came into view, numbering around 2 and a half million and fielding 10 batteries of artillery. And so the battle of Bastogne began.
The French commanders moved their forces to the sides of the British, Joffre to face the Belgians and Foche to confront the Germans. Despite being heavily outnumbered the Central Powers were not deterred and both their armies headed straight for the BEF, leaving a few soldiers to guard the German artillery. This artillery had already started it's bombardment and was causing heavy casualties on the unentrenched British, despite the British having more guns they ironically had less effect and struggled to hit the rapidly advancing German forces. As the Germans got nearer these guns also had to stop firing, out of fear of hitting friendlies, whereas the German batteries were able to start a new bombardment on the French, who were still far from the Town. The Germans had clearly put an experienced man in command of the artillery as the ten batteries had managed to cause twice as many casualties as their one hundred British counterparts.
However the Entente still massively outnumbered their enemies and the battle was swiftly an Entente victory, despite huge casualties taken. At the end of the battle there were only 450,000 British soldiers left standing, with only 200 batteries left as well, the others destroyed. The French suffered less badly, Foche only lost 200,000 of his soldiers and Joffre only losing 800,000, leaving 4 million French regulars still standing.
The Belgians had lost all of their untrained troops and 400,000 of their regulars. However the specialised men only took 100 casualties in exchange for the thousands they caused. The Germans had no such luck and lost 1.5 million men trying to assault the village, their batteries, on the other hand, were all able to withdraw safely back to German lands.
At the end of the Battle the British and French commanders were unsure of what to do about the now hostile Belgians. The battle had left the centre of Southern Belgium empty of enemy soldiers but their spies had reported more Germans to the West and fortified Belgian forces to the East, blocking off the French border. In the end they decided that they would stay and wait until the next month before making any decisions.
OOC: and so ends the battle of Bastogne. I wont be doing writeups like this for every battle, as that would take me years, but this one was very important in deciding what would happen in the West and so I decided to pay special attention to it.
The turn is still not over as, despite having already spent 2 hours on it, I am only about half done visually representing people's orders, and so I need to resolve a few more battle before putting up the end of turn writeup. This truly is a lot of work :sweatdrop:
edit: it seems I forgot to include the British artillery on that map as well :wall:
Here is the map of the begining of August, 1914. Expect you feedback soon, nearly done after over 3 hours now :laugh4:
https://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4564/wwijul1914lq8.th.gif (https://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wwijul1914lq8.gif)
Austria has been recoloured to avoid confusion between them and England.
Phew I think I'm done, if anyone hasn't recieved an end of turn and/or spy report please let me know.
Let August begin.
woad&fangs
06-18-2008, 16:30
Message from the Prime Minister of France:
Coalition of the Lowlands, you're oppression of the Walloon minority is at an end. Lay down your arms and you may receive mercy.
So... is the Entente allied with Serbia?
woad&fangs
06-18-2008, 17:47
:balloon2: France declares an alliance with Serbia:balloon2:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-19-2008, 01:16
So... is the Entente allied with Serbia?
Will Also Defend Serbia :clown::egypt:
Okay guys, I've got a few rules to run by you all (to make sure you're okay with changes after we've started). A big thank you to Sarmatian for suggesting and refining them.
1)The recruiting of new soldiers takes one turn, so they can only be deployed on the map at the start of the next turn (eg if you recruited a million now then you'd actually get them in September)
2)Upgrading soldiers: can only happen in your borders and takes a full turn to implement. This means that you cannot instantly upgrade and attack in the same turn, the upgrading will take an entire turn.
3)Researched items cannot be recruited until the next turn. Eg: 1st turn=research tanks, 2nd turn=recruit tanks, 3rd turn=deploy tanks.
4)Researching takes two turns for non-major factions (anyone that is not GB, France, Russia, Germany, AH, Ottomans) if what they are researching has not been discovered before (you will be able to tell this from the end of turn reports I will be doing).
5)You can only deploy new units within your own borders, or those of a neighbouring ally, providing you have a leader there.
And actually I would like to ask whether everyone would enjoy reading an end of turn report, giving you all a general idea of what is going on across the world, because I don't want to spend ages writing it if no one does :laugh4:
Opinions welcome :yes:
Sarathos
06-19-2008, 12:45
I would like to know where Romania stands on this diplomatic field?
EDIT: Agree with rules and report.
woad&fangs
06-19-2008, 15:34
Yes to the new rules
Yes to the end of turn report.
Sarmatian
06-19-2008, 17:20
Yes to the new rules
Yes to the end of turn report.
Me too, obviously...
Julian the apostate
06-20-2008, 05:25
The new rules make sense
I'm all for situation reports for each turn
Okay guys, I've got a few rules to run by you all (to make sure you're okay with changes after we've started). A big thank you to Sarmatian for suggesting and refining them.
1)The recruiting of new soldiers takes one turn, so they can only be deployed on the map at the start of the next turn (eg if you recruited a million now then you'd actually get them in September)
2)Upgrading soldiers: can only happen in your borders and takes a full turn to implement. This means that you cannot instantly upgrade and attack in the same turn, the upgrading will take an entire turn.
3)Researched items cannot be recruited until the next turn. Eg: 1st turn=research tanks, 2nd turn=recruit tanks, 3rd turn=deploy tanks.
4)Researching takes two turns for non-major factions (anyone that is not GB, France, Russia, Germany, AH, Ottomans) if what they are researching has not been discovered before (you will be able to tell this from the end of turn reports I will be doing).
5)You can only deploy new units within your own borders, or those of a neighbouring ally, providing you have a leader there.
And actually I would like to ask whether everyone would enjoy reading an end of turn report, giving you all a general idea of what is going on across the world, because I don't want to spend ages writing it if no one does :laugh4:
Opinions welcome :yes:
I agree, except that I must ask you to change Serbia into a major faction!!!
:clown:
Sarmatian
06-20-2008, 22:23
So, are we gonna see end of turn report now? Huh? Are we, are we, are we???? :smash: :smash:
Baby Boomer
06-21-2008, 09:13
https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8036/amessagefromtheconfederku6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
I, as head of the Confederation of Switzerland, wish to commit my remarks upon this situation which has gripped Europe.
It is foolish.
Why fight for such useless things, by young lives and count by generations? Surely the recent battle of Bastogne has shown those foolish enough to fight, like barbarians of old, for land that it is not worth generaions of human beings for such mere thing's as land.
We are very disapointed, and remain certian by the fact that land can be won by more means then brute force, and for those act more barbarous then there forefathers millions of years old.
OOC: Sorry for the inactivity, Elite Ferret, but I needed a slight break. I am offically open for negoation, those, ah, willing to see if I am interested in a good deal for land, or war.
Sarmatian
06-21-2008, 22:29
It's simple Baby Boomer. You can either join the winning side or the Central Powers. :laugh4: :oops: Sorry guys, I know what happens, I peaked at the end.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-22-2008, 21:38
Can join The Balkian (Serbia,Romania, Bulgaria (?),Spain and Greece0 Allaince :D
I'm going to have to leave this IH and all the others I am participating in. Without my own computer I have limited access to the internet, so less time to do anything on it. I'm sorry.
woad&fangs
06-26-2008, 15:15
So both Austria and Germany are without players now:shame:
Are we going to try a recruitment drive or are we going to declare a victory for the entente?
This game 'aint ending yet! I'll see if I can find players for those two factions. A lot of people haven't sent in orders anyway so this phase is going to be extended for an indefinite period of time, probably until all major powers have orders sent in.
The million qusetion, have I sent the orders?
scottishranger
06-29-2008, 14:12
Sorry I havent sent my orders in, I have been busy.
King Jan III Sobieski
06-30-2008, 03:40
New rules sound good to me, and my orders shall be sent in ASAP. The King of the Hellenes has been ill with a severely irritated dental crown. The royal dentist has been dismissed. :laugh4::yes::laugh4:
:inquisitive:
P.S. - I did get my end of turn report.
scottishranger
06-30-2008, 15:21
I would switch to Germany if it is alright...
woad&fangs
06-30-2008, 15:34
The lowlands should be all but finished off after this turn. A switch to the Germans would probably be a good idea.
I'll get my orders in sometime today.
that's some boast Woad :clown:
I'd actually rather someone like Switzerland or a neutral Balkan nation took over a power, as the Lowlands are actually an important factor on the Western front. Though if you are sure I wont stop you, maybe BabyBoomer, Sarathos or Warman would be interested in taking over the Lowlands, I'd actually let them control them and their current nation seeing as they are both so small and likely to be destroyed soon.
scottishranger
06-30-2008, 18:54
Or I could take both since we are allied and the lowlands essentially depends on Germany for its survival now.
Actually if you like you (or me if you'd prefer) could write a story where the head of the Lowlands coalition submits to German rule or something, sounds good to me and that is a great way of getting a German player, still need an Austrian though...
Let Serbia annex Austria maybe?
scottishranger
06-30-2008, 22:14
I could try writing it. Just give me a day.
Let Serbia annex Austria maybe?
If you can think of a good reason I might just consider that :clown:
Actually you could say that Serbia surrendered to Austria or something but you'd have to remain a part of the central powers, otherwise the game would be too unbalanced. But I'm sure you were joking anyway :laugh4:
Sarmatian
07-01-2008, 12:16
Untul we find a player for at least Germany, it's not worth continuing. And sorry for not sending in orders. Will do it today or tomorrow latest...
Still no player for Austria, I'm reluctant to continue until we find one. Also only about half of you have sent in orders, I'm not gonna chase you all up, it's a waste of my time.
King Jan III Sobieski
07-20-2008, 16:24
Still no player for Austria, I'm reluctant to continue until we find one. Also only about half of you have sent in orders, I'm not gonna chase you all up, it's a waste of my time.
Come on people!!!
I'll take back Germany if that's alright. Do you still have my maps and orders from last turn EF? If you could send them back to me, because I lost everything when my computer died...:sweatdrop:
I don't think there is much point, still less than half the players have sent in orders after over a month at least...
Sarathos
08-05-2008, 05:03
Pretty sure thats not me.
I think Serbia has sent the orders.
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