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deguerra
05-28-2008, 11:20
Right. Arms again :2thumbsup:

Here are the Rules:

1. Every "house", that is feudal chain, to have a Coat of Arms (as in KotR). For inspirations to Byzantine Arms go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_heraldry, but feel free to go nuts. The only thing I ask is that it be kept reasonably simple. (I should add that the first one of the list below is intended as a house arms, so halving is still fine. I'd prefer that to be the extent of it though. Quartering if two of the quarters are the same. ie https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Flag_of_PalaeologusEmperor.svg)

2.1 Strators only use their House Arms

2.2 Comes, Domestikos, Hypatos and Antypatos may make some additions to their House Arms

2.3 Patrikos and Dux may halve or quarter their House Arms with a personal Arms, or make otherwise major additions.

2.4 Megas Dux/Exarch, as well as Caesars and Basileoses may have their own personal Arms.

2.5 The Chancellor is to get a special symbol added to his Arms.

3. A character will not lose his arms if he goes down in rank.

I reserve the right to add to these rules, ignore them and generally be a bastard at my discrepancy. I did not deny a single request in KotR, so feel free to try me, but in the interest of keeping it simple and keeping my free time, I may do so. But I won't bite anyone who asks.

As I am sure has been noted I've doled out Arms to anyone who's cared to approach me so far, regardless of where they were on a feudal chain, so consider the code more like guidelines than actual rules.

Now I remember failing miserably at doing this last time, but I will try to create a semblance of order in this thread:

ARMS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE
(Imperial Arms, that is not Alexius Comnenus' personal Arms):

https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7779/basileos2di3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3365/basileos2os0.gif (https://imageshack.us)


HOUSE/FACTION ARMS

House of Asteri

https://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4563/shieldsunblack2ao7.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4545/shieldsunblack2ly6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

House of Komnenodoukai

https://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1820/kdkc4.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4729/kdgy5.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Order of St. John

https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/673/orderqn2.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1928/orderpn9.gif (https://imageshack.us)

House of the Tagamata

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9596/tagmataif2.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5003/tagmatahf8.gif (https://imageshack.us)

House of the Tepaki

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6482/eagleonblack5vd8.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7001/eagleonblack5eq6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

PERSONAL ARMS

Ioannis Kantakouzinos

https://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5286/eagleonredto0.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7933/eagleonreduw4.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Caesar Ioannis Komnenos

https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/562/caesarcp2.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5340/caesargp3.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Hypatios Machonios

Done all by himself! https://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7133/hypatiossc0.png

Methodios Tagaris

https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8879/tristanso5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2322/tristangf6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Personal Arms of Aleksios

https://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3741/eagleonblackfv3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5891/eagleonblackil7.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Kosmas Mavrozomis

https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9431/mavrozomisqr5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8684/mavrozomislg0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Pavlos Chrysovergos

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7660/pontosoc3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4897/pontosfv7.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Apionnas Vringas



Unclaimed Arms

https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3614/ionnesep5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5651/ionnescv0.gif (https://imageshack.us)
https://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4941/risingsunbm3.png (https://imageshack.us)



Let's get started then :2thumbsup:

deguerra
05-29-2008, 01:15
and here is my next customers'.

Kagemusha is that as you wanted it?

Images in 1st post

Please note that as I understand it Kag doesn't want to create a house, but just wishes to reserve this as a personal arms, because it is that of his character's family. I'm happy to do arms whenever, really, but I'll give priority to ones being used. Seeing as this was my only request thus far (apart from the above) it didnt matter

deguerra
05-29-2008, 05:40
Ok, so I made another one. Not claimed by anyone, I was just bored and fooling around with suns. Anyone wants it, they can claim it:

Images in 1st post

Kagemusha
05-29-2008, 06:14
and here is my next customers'.

Kagemusha is that as you wanted it?

https://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5286/eagleonredto0.png (https://imageshack.us)

Please note that as I understand it Kag doesn't want to create a house, but just wishes to reserve this as a personal arms, because it is that of his character's family. I'm happy to do arms whenever, really, but I'll give priority to ones being used. Seeing as this was my only request thus far (apart from the above) it didnt matter

Thanks deguerra!:bow: Its exactly what i was loooking for, the arms of the Kantakouzinos family.

deguerra
05-29-2008, 11:08
Hey guys, don't try to add these to your signature yet, they still need to be resized and .org backgrounded!

pevergreen
05-29-2008, 11:35
I learnt that the hard way! :laugh4:

deguerra
05-29-2008, 11:40
Here you go:

Images in 1st post

deguerra
05-29-2008, 11:53
Here is that of the Caesar:

Images in 1st post

Ferret
05-30-2008, 15:55
I wonder, will PK use the white cross on a black background or let his imagination run riot...

Kagemusha
05-30-2008, 15:57
deguerra, will you enhance the size of the one you made for me, so it could fit an sig?~:)

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 15:58
Alright Deguerra, I could use your help.

I need a House Coat. Basically think Templars but with a Orthodox and Byzantine flavor.

Thanks! :beam:

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:00
Gladly. So I'm thinking cross on a shield, but a byzantine cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PatriarchsCross.svg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cross_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church_01.svg) and a non-templar colour scheme so it doesnt become too similar. sound ok?

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:01
I like the first one. :yes:

Maybe purple cross on white background.

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:06
I do like them nice and simple. This what you were looking for?

Images in 1st post

Ferret
05-30-2008, 16:07
looks a bit...'hairdresser' if you know what I mean :laugh4:

edit: oh so that's why they don't marry...

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:08
Absolutly perfect. :2thumbsup:

I'll take the big one for the House thread and I'll need little ones for the members.

Thanks! :beam:

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:10
ok. you sure the purple is dark enough for you? with the gloss effect, it came out very light. but whatever you want!

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:13
I think it works. If you think of anything else, I'm certainly open to ideas. But I like what you made despite EF's hairdresser comment. :clown:

_Tristan_
05-30-2008, 16:15
PK, you've truly become "golden-mouthed" :laugh4:

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:17
:laugh4:

if you're happy, I'm happy. Here's the signature version: https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1928/orderpn9.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:23
PK, you've truly become "golden-mouthed" :laugh4:

(well that's the idea!) :beam:

And Deguerra, the little one works great. :2thumbsup:

Would I be able to get the white background out from around the big one?

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:25
? It has a white background for you? It doesnt for me :inquisitive: I specifically .orgify the thumbnail backgrounds because those never worked, but the larger ones always seemed to de-background themselves automatically. but, sure, if yours is displaying a white one, i can .orgify that as well.

Ferret
05-30-2008, 16:26
deguerra, will you enhance the size of the one you made for me, so it could fit an sig?~:)

Not until you're Patrikos or higher! Says so in the first post :yes:

That is unless you are planning to start a House with that CoAs...

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:27
does that do it?

https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9950/orderap2.png (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:28
? It has a white background for you? It doesnt for me :inquisitive: I specifically .orgify the thumbnail backgrounds because those never worked, but the larger ones always seemed to de-background themselves automatically. but, sure, if yours is displaying a white one, i can .orgify that as well.

No for some reason it kept the white box for the big one.

And EF, I just read your edit and you are a very dirty young man... :clown:

*edit*

Nevermind, I was writing that before I saw your last post.

*edit 2*

Yup, it works fine. Thanks!

Kagemusha
05-30-2008, 16:29
Not until you're Patrikos or higher! Says so in the first post :yes:

That is unless you are planning to start a House with that CoAs...

Its not that im putting it in a sig, or feel any hybris, just incase.:smash:

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:31
hey Kag, missed you there. Will you be joining a house? My original idea was that only certain ranks would get their own Arms? If you will be joining a house, I'd prefer it if you followed my dictatorial rules, but I won't force you. If you're not joining a house, I don't much care anyway.

In any case, though, here it is:

Images in 1st post

Ferret
05-30-2008, 16:31
No for some reason it kept the white box for the big one.

And EF, I just read your edit and you are a very dirty young man... :clown:

*edit*

Nevermind, I was writing that before I saw your last post.

*edit 2*

Yup, it works fine. Thanks!

:embarassed: all in good humour...hopefully

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 16:32
I've just realized that taken in the light of EF's hairdresser comment, "golden-mouthed" takes on a whole new (and very disturbing) meaning.

:clown:

Kagemusha
05-30-2008, 16:34
hey Kag, missed you there. Will you be joining a house? My original idea was that only certain ranks would get their own Arms? If you will be joining a house, I'd prefer it if you followed my dictatorial rules, but I won't force you. If you're not joining a house, I don't much care anyway.

In any case, though, here it is:

https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7933/eagleonreduw4.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Maybe i will join a house, maybe i dont, lets see where the story carries my character.~;) But i wonder as long as i have not pledged loyalty to any nobleman, is there are rule that forbids my character to carry his family arms?

deguerra
05-30-2008, 16:35
Ok. Will make a note of .orgifying them all from now on. Anyway, I am off to bed. Feel free to post requests here House leaders, I will get to them ASAP.

Ferret
05-30-2008, 17:09
In that case would I be allowed to use this:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?userid=19173#shouttop

Technically I'm not allowed it until I am a Comes but that wont be too long...hopefully...

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 17:14
I notice the conspicuous absence of ferrets in that CoA.

I'm very disappointed in you. :clown:

Ferret
05-30-2008, 17:16
Be assured I did look, there was no ferret section in the wikimedia heraldry place but I scanned through the weasel section and some otters as well but nothing was to my liking. Shame I know but perhaps I'll bump into something better... :beam:

Ferret
05-30-2008, 17:40
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?userid=19173

Check the second one to see an alternate arms complete with ferret!

Privateerkev
05-30-2008, 17:42
much better! :2thumbsup:

deguerra
05-31-2008, 01:50
Maybe i will join a house, maybe i dont, lets see where the story carries my character.~;) But i wonder as long as i have not pledged loyalty to any nobleman, is there are rule that forbids my character to carry his family arms?

No, it is actually a rather large loophole in my in any case rather loose rules. So feel free to use it.

EF, I suppose a subshield counts as a minor addition, I will get to yours later.

Can I just know from everyone, in this thread https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=104252 for example, are you seeing the Arms with or without a white background?

Privateerkev
05-31-2008, 01:55
Can I just know from everyone, in this thread https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=104252 for example, are you seeing the Arms with or without a white background?

It blends in perfectly. :yes:

deguerra
05-31-2008, 02:00
ok. good. odd. good :laugh4:

flyd
05-31-2008, 02:00
I'm seeing the transparency in the PNGs fine, and so should everyone else with a modern browser. I think IE6 was the last not to support PNG transparency. I would recommend using transparent backgrounds because the forum has a number of different themes, and some of us use the non-default one, making it impossible for you to predict what our background color is.

deguerra
05-31-2008, 02:04
Indeed. The only reason I am curious is because the Orders big one seemed to be keeping a white background for PK last night. Oh well. Then of course there is the signature ones, which are .gifs so i have to .org them anyway.

deguerra
06-03-2008, 03:10
Updated first post.

Tristan, let me know if that Arms is to your liking.

Peverpink, am I correct in the assumption that yours is now a personal, rather than a House arms?

pevergreen
06-03-2008, 03:12
Well, at this point, it seems unwise to start a house, so it may be personal until then, if that's alright with you?

Could I have the eagle go silver and that background go black, when you find the time? :laugh4: I am too picky.

deguerra
06-03-2008, 03:32
Not a problem.

Like this?

Images in first post

AussieGiant
06-03-2008, 03:40
Now deguerra,

How are we going to work out something for my character...he's got a few counter active theme's running through him.

deguerra
06-03-2008, 03:43
With great pleasure AG. :2thumbsup:

What did you have in mind? What themes are we talking?

pevergreen
06-03-2008, 07:47
Not a problem.

Like this?

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6482/eagleonblack5vd8.png (https://imageshack.us)
I...have never viewed something so perfect!

deguerra
06-03-2008, 08:50
such praise :beam:

here's the small version then:

Images in 1st post

:2thumbsup:

_Tristan_
06-03-2008, 12:29
I like it...:2thumbsup:

Could you resize it for a sig ?

AussieGiant
06-03-2008, 13:39
With great pleasure AG. :2thumbsup:

What did you have in mind? What themes are we talking?

deguerra, you have skills most mortals could only dream of.

I'll get back to you with a scoping doc once I work out what this guy of mine will want.

deguerra
06-03-2008, 15:35
All right, sorry Tristan and OK, I have finished both of your Arms, but imageshack is being a bit fickle tonight. Will try again tomorrow. See the 1st post then.

deguerra
06-04-2008, 02:40
Tristan and OK, your Arms are now in the first post!

OverKnight
06-04-2008, 06:26
Great job deguerra!

It looks like Igno has adopted the Comnenus and Doukas quartered arms, mind if I take the arms he used to have, the double headed eagle, gold and black?

deguerra
06-04-2008, 06:29
no, not at all. will switch it around in a second.

edit: done and done. see first post.

OverKnight
06-04-2008, 07:11
Actually I was thinking of the first incarnation I saw, without the cross.

Like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Komnenos-Isaac-Arms.svg).

Sorry for being persnickety but I guess I'm carrying over my love of yellow and black from the last game. :laugh4:

deguerra
06-04-2008, 07:16
lol. no worries, I just misunderstood. have changed it now. I also gave you a small version of the Imperial arms, in case you want to put both in your signature. Both in 1st post.

TinCow
06-04-2008, 12:13
Does anyone mind if I stick that small Imperial arms on the right side of my signature? I would be using it for LotR advertisement purposes, not for any relation with my avatar. When the ad disappears, the Imperial arms would too.

deguerra
06-04-2008, 12:14
nah go for it TinCow! Anything to advertise LotR, and I've hardly been strict with these

edit: one condition, teach me just how that "table" command works :P I want to prettify my signature too

deguerra
06-08-2008, 04:28
just wanted to draw TinCows attention to my reply above again, in case he missed it, because i notice you're not using it atm.

OverKnight
06-08-2008, 04:54
It's fine by me as well, if TC's waiting on that.

_Tristan_
06-08-2008, 11:14
Deguerra, one small request : Could you modify te lion in my CoA and use one of those in the CoA of Ludwig (Seems more martial...) and make tongue and claws in red

deguerra
06-09-2008, 09:37
done. see first page.

_Tristan_
06-09-2008, 11:24
Thanks a lot...This is exactly IT !!!

deguerra
06-09-2008, 13:26
:beam: I'm glad! :2thumbsup:

AussieGiant
06-27-2008, 23:26
Alright there deguerra?

So things have solidified with young Vringas.

Given the recent story and background what do you think you can conjure up?

I've got to finally bury Arnold and move on.

deguerra
06-28-2008, 01:56
Hey AG.

Nice story :2thumbsup:

Not sure how sincere his conversion is, but if not it would be cool to hide some sort of Islamic reference in your shield.

Beyond that, the only things that spring to mind are references to the Basileos or the Komnenoi, although those would again need to be subtle, or references to Bucharest. I suppose something Egyptian, but non-Islamic could also be included.

I'll have a search around, let me know what you are thinking.

deguerra
06-28-2008, 02:03
Re Islam, at the most subtle, we could work the colour green in prominently. If we are trying to be a little more suspect, could work the" Shahada" (declaration of belief) into a border or corner somewhere. This of course, again, is assuming Apionnas remains Muslim.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Flag_of_Jihad.svg/800px-Flag_of_Jihad.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Shahada.svg/365px-Shahada.svg.png

AussieGiant
06-28-2008, 08:23
Definately something subtle should be referenced but not too overt. A declaration is probably too strong.

He will be converted. There will be no doubt about that...what he feels behind the "Ceremony" will be an ongoing theme and part of his story.

Something more based on imagry rather than and writing would be prefereable.

Perhaps a sublte reference to the cresent moon?

deguerra
06-28-2008, 08:52
well actually, as you may have noticed the crescent and star is on the Basileos' banner, and certainly not for its more modern connection with Islam. It actually represents the city of Constantinople.

The theory is that the Crescent and star were taken over by the Ottomans after they took Constantinople, and that it became associated with Islam through them.

Of course, that gives us all the more reason to work it in :D I'll see what I can come up with. What about other things? Is there any main theme for the shield?

AussieGiant
06-28-2008, 09:01
Alright so that is good to know about the Cresent Moon and Star.

That's a start.

His back story includes service in the Egyptian Sultan's Mansuriyya regiment. This was a real unit so I'll check for any colours, if you could do the same then we have some imagry and colours to work on.

Also any reference to colours used by the Mamluks can be introduced.

Ituralde
07-02-2008, 09:00
While I still have feeble claims on Pontic land and am not yet crushed by heretic rebels I'd really like to add some reference to Pontus into the Komnenodoukai shield of Pavlos. Don't know yet whether the Eagle should go though or the Cross, or maybe just superimpose something on top?

I'll go looking for some stuff, but from what I've seen so far from you deguerra you seem to find really nice stuff on yourself too, so give me your best shot! :beam:

AussieGiant
07-02-2008, 10:21
well actually, as you may have noticed the crescent and star is on the Basileos' banner, and certainly not for its more modern connection with Islam. It actually represents the city of Constantinople.

The theory is that the Crescent and star were taken over by the Ottomans after they took Constantinople, and that it became associated with Islam through them.

Of course, that gives us all the more reason to work it in :D I'll see what I can come up with. What about other things? Is there any main theme for the shield?

Hi deguerra,

I've had a look and I can't find very much...:no:

I'm no help. All I know is that the colour Blue seems to be referred heavily.

I'll keep looking though. Please let me know if you have any ideas.

deguerra
07-10-2008, 06:52
Hey AG. and Ilturalde. I'm a tad busy with real life and weddings atm, but I'll get to both of you once things cool down. :2thumbsup:

AussieGiant
07-10-2008, 07:46
Thanks for the update deguerra.

Take your time.

I do have an idea now. Crimson and Navy or Light Blue seem to be the colours I've settled on.

A combination of Cresent and a 7 or 9 pointed star.

Is that enough help?

deguerra
07-10-2008, 07:47
excellent. I can get to work with that.

AussieGiant
07-10-2008, 08:15
With references to the Emperor as you have stated perviously.

Thanks deguerra :2thumbsup:

deguerra
07-11-2008, 12:52
ok AG, I've gone for something simple, because I often think simple turns out quite well and because that allows you to build on it. Let me know what you think so far:

https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6594/apionnasop4.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
07-11-2008, 12:55
on to you now Ilturalde :2thumbsup:

deguerra
07-11-2008, 13:12
Ok. Pontos (Pontus). This one is actually quite interesting in terms of etymology. Apparently (and I know very little about classical languages) Pontos in Greek refers to the sea, more specifically referred to any sea beyond the Aegean and thus became associated with the Black Sea. Hence the connection the the later Kingdom.

In Latin, if memory serves, Pontus means bridge.

I rather like the imagery of this, so if I could somehow combine the sea and bridge into the Komnenodoukai Arms then I think that might look good. Will see how I go.

AussieGiant
07-11-2008, 13:17
ok AG, I've gone for something simple, because I often think simple turns out quite well and because that allows you to build on it. Let me know what you think so far:

https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6594/apionnasop4.png (https://imageshack.us)


Can you make the red, like the little dragon red in my Arnold shield?

Pattern and blue look great.

deguerra
07-11-2008, 14:04
Ilturalde:

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7660/pontosoc3.png (https://imageshack.us)

I am rather proud of how that turned out so I hope you like it, but if not do let me know.

AG, I didn't like the red myself but thats apparently what tone crimson is :P Will do!

deguerra
07-11-2008, 14:10
Hmm, the colour is still a bit rosy because of the filter that goes over the top at the end. Let me know if you want it more red:

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2601/apionnasaj2.png (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
07-11-2008, 15:14
Neeeed more red, give me more red....

and can we make the cresent moon thinner and a little more angled?

i.e.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent

Ituralde
07-11-2008, 22:39
Ilturalde:

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7660/pontosoc3.png (https://imageshack.us)

I am rather proud of how that turned out so I hope you like it, but if not do let me know.

AG, I didn't like the red myself but thats apparently what tone crimson is :P Will do!

I am amazed, I truly am!

After reading your first point I was starting to think of something that had like a bridge with some wavy lines to mark sea or water under it, but what you did totally blows my head off! The way you incorporated it into the existing Komnenodoukai is also great! I love it, honestly! :2thumbsup:

Thank you very much for it, now the only thing left to do is get those provinces back! :beam:

And the way you brought in the mountains too, once again, very nice!

deguerra
07-12-2008, 02:38
AG:

Like so? I toned the filter down a bit as well which preserves the red and keeps the blue nice and deep.

https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7010/apionnaswf6.png (https://imageshack.us)

Ilturalde:

Thanks! Anything for a Wheel of Timer :P Here's the siggy version:

https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4897/pontosfv7.gif (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
07-12-2008, 07:57
Oohhhhhhh Hhhhaaa

That's looking very nice deguerra.

I'd say we will stick with that and see what happens. Excellent stuff.

Ibn-Khaldun
07-12-2008, 08:24
I have a request..

A small one and nothing fancy...:yes:

The red two headed eagle on a white shield.. A golden star on top of it.. laurel crown to surround it(just like in the greek coat of arms)..

deguerra
07-12-2008, 09:17
cool. Here you go:

https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7010/apionnaswf6.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8674/apionnasdg5.gif (https://imageshack.us)

will get to yours later Ibn Khaldun. Did you want it as a subshield of the wonderful Asteri arms, or are you going to forsake all allegiances to the house and declare yourself a traitor by using your own. :clown:

I am just kidding. Whatever you want, I am fine with :2thumbsup:

Ibn-Khaldun
07-12-2008, 10:23
I don't consider myself a traitor if I want my own coat of arms :inquisitive:

But it actually was meant as a subshield to the Asteri one..:yes:

The star in it could be like the one in the Asteri shield..

And perhaps an orthodox cross there when the two laurel branches are connected? :yes:

deguerra
07-12-2008, 15:21
I was just kidding :2thumbsup:

Will see what I can whip up.

AussieGiant
07-12-2008, 16:37
thanks deguerra!!!

deguerra
07-13-2008, 01:52
ok ibn khaldun....hmm...im not 100% sure I like this one yet. It seems a bit bottom heavy, and about to keel over. But let me know what you think, and if needed, how we can improve it:

https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3034/khaldunwx2.png (https://imageshack.us)

edit: the reason there is no orthodox cross, and that the wreath doesnt go all the way is that it then cuts through the wings too much which makes that look a bit silly. only way to solve that would be to make the eagle smaller, and that makes the centre look silly. alternatively, if you can find a thinner laurel wreath that might work, but there seems to be a curious lack of laurel images about.

deguerra
07-13-2008, 02:20
some slight alterations:

https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/959/khaldun2er8.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
07-13-2008, 06:25
woohoo, triple post.

For the Patriarch:

https://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1264/patriarch2wm3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2273/patriarch2xw6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Ibn-Khaldun
07-13-2008, 08:11
some slight alterations:

https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/959/khaldun2er8.png (https://imageshack.us)

That's good but I was thinking that the laurel branches could surround the star and not the eagle.. The star doesn't have to be thatbig..

Hmm .. and perhaps the color of the eagle could be a little bit darker red ..

deguerra
07-13-2008, 08:20
Ahh. That makes things much easier then :sweatdrop:

Will do. Darker red coming up as well!

deguerra
07-13-2008, 08:39
For my wife:

https://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3885/annaaz6.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4360/annahq3.gif (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
07-13-2008, 08:43
get out of here deguerra and get into the PM's!! :clown:

You're wife can wait.

deguerra
07-13-2008, 08:45
ibn khaldun: do you mind the star and wreath being below the eagle? it just works better in terms of the eagle's wings being quite wide, hence there is more room for them at the top

https://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6098/khaldun2qy5.png (https://imageshack.us)

TheFlax
07-13-2008, 08:45
No she can't... :whip:

Thanks Deguerra. :beam:

AussieGiant
07-13-2008, 08:49
That's it!!

Both of you, back into the PM's now or there will be trouble!! :whip::beam:

Ibn-Khaldun
07-13-2008, 09:29
I like it!:2thumbsup:

I don't mind if it is down there :beam:

Good job! :2thumbsup:

deguerra
07-13-2008, 10:25
Here, us this one as a signature version:

https://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5206/khaldun2rs7.gif (https://imageshack.us)

:2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief
07-13-2008, 14:29
Woohoo! :medievalcheers:

Don't mess with my eagle, he's holding the Holy Hand Grenade.

Ibn-Khaldun
08-27-2008, 23:53
Now..
I have a little request..
Is it possible to add the in game coat of arms of Caesarea on the chest of the eagle on my current coa??

deguerra
08-27-2008, 23:59
Should be doable. Would be much easier if you could find me a better picture of said coat of arms somewhere online, though. Want to have a look?

Ibn-Khaldun
08-28-2008, 00:01
Umm.. I'll try to find one then.. :yes:

Kagemusha
08-28-2008, 12:26
deguerra. Can you make me a coat of arms that combines some elements of the Kantakouzinos arms to Komnenodoukai arms?

deguerra
08-28-2008, 12:32
can do. i have an exceedingly unfinished university assignment due on monday though, so it probably wont be this weekend. but i'll get there.

:2thumbsup:

i'll also have a look around the web re. Caesarea Ibn!

Kagemusha
08-28-2008, 12:36
can do. i have an exceedingly unfinished university assignment due on monday though, so it probably wont be this weekend. but i'll get there.

:2thumbsup:

i'll also have a look around the web re. Caesarea Ibn!

Thanks!:bow:

Ibn-Khaldun
08-28-2008, 13:02
Sry.. but I couldn't find anything in web :shame:
I'm a poor researcher :shame:

ULC
10-07-2008, 08:53
Hey deg, long time since anyone asked for heraldry :no:, so I'm going to fix that :yes:.
Can you do something combining the current House Ilios Korakas heraldry with something that would reference the Varangian Guard?

deguerra
10-07-2008, 12:01
can do, but not in the nearish future, I'm afraid. uni as killing me right now.

deguerra
10-26-2008, 02:01
Ok, something for Kantakouzinos.

https://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8972/ka2hi5.gif (https://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ka2hi5.gif)https://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2268/ka2pk3.png (https://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ka2pk3.png)

deguerra
10-26-2008, 02:26
Ok, a new one for YLC:

Varangians represented by a lion with a nordic axe. Not sure how true this is, but they once carved a lion which now stands in Venice and the axe speaks for itself.

https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/77/tristan4qb5.png (https://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tristan4qb5.png)https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2575/tristan4mg0.gif (https://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tristan4mg0.gif)