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They have no riot gear in NY? :inquisitive:
Crazed Rabbit
10-04-2011, 02:25
Cop pulls man over, says he smells weed. While frisking the guy, he intentionally grabs his crotch, then uses the reaction as an excuse to attack the victim and put him in a chokehold. The cop also used the reaction as probable cause for a search. The thug and another cop eventually pin both arms behind the victim's back, before raising them in order to torture their victim (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/man-says-police-arrested-him-after-he-reacted-touc/nDyQr/#comments). Then the thugs use his screaming and writhing in pain as an excuse to taser him.
Remember, we wouldn't have heard anything about this if it wasn't for the video.
Oh yeah, they didn't find any pot on the guy. Who needs a constitution, anyway?
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — An internal affairs investigation is under way after a man claimed an officer grabbed his genitals during a videotaped traffic stop, then choked and shocked him when he reacted.
Brice Wilson, 23, told Channel 2’s Tom Jones the encounter left him shaken and afraid. "It was really frightening. It was very frightening," Wilson said.
The incident happened at the intersection of Old Austell Road and Atlanta Street in Powder Springs. Wilson said the officer pulled him over because his license plate light was out.
The officer's dashcam video system recorded the stop. The video showed Officer K. Moore asking Wilson to get out of his car and then telling him he smelled marijuana on him.
"I'm gonna ask you this one time -- One time only, 'cause I smell the marijuana all on you. Where's it at?" Moore can be heard saying on the video. The video goes on to show Wilson repeatedly saing he doesn't have any marijuana.
The officer then calls for back up and orders Wilson to put his hands on the front of his patrol unit. "Spread your legs," Moore said.
The video then shows the officer grabbing Wilson's genitals.
Jones asked Wilson if the officer in fact grabbed his crotch. "That's what it felt like. It felt like he violated me and I told him that," he said.
The dashcam video showed when Wilson reacted by grabbing the officer's hand, Moore put him in a chokehold, and another officer hit him and both officers took him to the ground.
Both officers then screamed at Wilson: "Where's it at? Where's it at?"
"I told you I don't have it," Wilson hollered back. The two officers then raised Wilson's handcuffed arms high behind his back. He screamed in agony.
The officers said Wilson wouldn't be still so they shocked him with a stun gun.
"Help! Help!" Wilson screamed on the video.
"We got a serious tactic being employed by the police here," Jim Howard, Wilson's attorney said of the officers' actions.
Howard said officers grabbing men's genitals is a strategy aimed at getting a reaction out of them.
"You get grabbed in the genital area as a young man, it's impossible not to react. You have to react," he said.
Once an arrestee reacts, Howard said, the officer can say a crime was committed and he can then search the arrestee any way he wants.
"If police officers continue to believe that they can get away with this, we're all at danger. In fact, we move a step closer to not being America," Howard said.
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Oh yeah, they didn't find any pot on the guy.
That's odd. If they were going to go through the risk of beating a guy up on the dashboard camera, you would think they would at least be smart enough to plant a small bag on the guy if nothing turned up.
Vladimir
10-04-2011, 16:49
Cop pulls man over, says he smells weed. While frisking the guy, he intentionally grabs his crotch, then uses the reaction as an excuse to attack the victim and put him in a chokehold. The cop also used the reaction as probable cause for a search. The thug and another cop eventually pin both arms behind the victim's back, before raising them in order to torture their victim (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/man-says-police-arrested-him-after-he-reacted-touc/nDyQr/#comments). Then the thugs use his screaming and writhing in pain as an excuse to taser him.
Remember, we wouldn't have heard anything about this if it wasn't for the video.
Oh yeah, they didn't find any pot on the guy. Who needs a constitution, anyway?
CR
This is what I thought of as I read the quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEadw3AmEs&feature=related
Sasaki Kojiro
10-04-2011, 17:04
Wall Street Protester in New York City, personally I think it's pitiful that they need this many cops for 1200 non-violent protest. Coward Pigs the lot of 'em.
Give that girl an oscar...
Crazed Rabbit
10-05-2011, 03:20
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15572447/officer-accused-of-terrorizing-citizens-still-on-force
CLAYTON COUNTY, GA (CBS ATLANTA) -
A Metro Atlanta police officer is accused of being out of control and assaulting the citizens he was sworn to serve and protect.
CBS Atlanta News has obtained more than 500 pages of internal affairs complaints lodged against Clayton County police officer Michael Hobbs in the last five years.
Chief Investigative Reporter Wendy Saltzman found dozens of use-of-force reports brushed aside by Clayton County internal affairs, including claims Hobbs is terrorizing citizens.
One of those citizens is Brian Hoolihan. Hoolihan passed out in his car along side a road in Clayton County in a diabetic coma back in 2007. He had a sticker on the window of his car, warning about his life threatening medical condition.
A police report shows Officer Hobbs arrived at the scene and wrongfully assumed Hoolihan was drunk. Hobbs forced himself into the car and struck Hoolihan twice with a closed fist to the face and another blunt elbow blow to his head.
"My face was all beat up, my ribs were either broke or cracked," said Hoolihan. "I had black and blue marks on the back of my legs, you can tell it was from the baton. There were, I think, seven stitches above my one eye."
CBS Atlanta obtained the gruesome pictures of Hoolihan, bloodied and beaten on the side of the road, at the hands of an officer who was supposed to protect him.
"He was out of control," said Hoolihan. "The next thing I remember is waking up in the ambulance."
Hoolihan's was just one of 12 disturbing complaints filed against Hobbs over the last five years at the Clayton County Police Department.
CBS Atlanta confirmed there has been no disciplinary action taken against Hobbs, and not a single day of suspension for an officer with 58 incidents of use of force. That's nearly 20 times more often than an average Clayton County police officer had in the same time period.
"Do you think an officer can be threatened by somebody who is in a diabetic coma and basically passed out?" Saltzman asked.
"I wasn't there," said Chief Porter. "Again, there was a thorough investigation. The investigation revealed that his actions were within departmental policy and procedure."
"They just think they're above the law because they are the law," Hoolihan said.
Records show multiple cases of closed-fist beatings, knee strikes, and choke-holds used by Hobbs. But the chief defends what other's characterize as terrorizing and an abuse of force.
"I am comfortable as police chief with his actions," Chief Porter continued.
Possibly the most disturbing part of the records CBS Atlanta uncovered is a report from a fellow officer who resigned, sighting Hobbs' out-of-control behavior and racist remarks as the reason why.
In other news ...
Sexual assault goes unpunished when you're a cop; (http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/09/federal_judge_calls_fullerton.php)
Officer Albert Rincon, who was hired by the department five years ago, allegedly had a habit of detaining women and either making sexual propositions to them, groping them, or doing both, the document states.
Rincon admitted that, in violation of city policy, he never called for a female officer to help pat-down women he detained. The policy states that "whenever practical" pat-downs should be done by an officer of the same gender as the person being searched.
Another city policy requires officers to wear a digital audio recorder and turn it on when they contact a subject. Perhaps even more damning than ignoring the pat-down rule, is the fact that Rincon consistently turned off the audio recorder at some point during the detention of the women. "This is different than simply forgetting to switch it on. This means that Rincon chose to leave no audio recording of the arrest," Guilford writes. When asked about why he turned off the recorder, Rincon had no explanation, the document states.
The city of Fullerton found out about the allegations in early November of 2008 and launched an investigation. By the end of the month they had put Rincon on paid administrative leave and notified the Orange County District Attorney's Office so they could investigate, too.
Curtis McLean, an investigator in the DA's office, looked into twelve cases in which Rincon had arrested women. Of the twelve cases, seven women made claims of misconduct. McLean sent his results to the DA's office, but they decided not to file criminal charges. "There are no facts in the record that reveal why," Guilford writes of the DA's decision.
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Guilford called the city's handling of the situation "weak" and "shocking," noting that it raised questions about the custom and practice around sexual assault in the department. "Requiring Rincon to attend 'pat-down' training is weak sauce that does nothing to hide the unpleasant taste of complicity...At the end of the day, the City put Rincon back onto the streets to continue arresting women despite a pattern of sexual harassment allegations."
In other Fullerton news, two of the group of cops who beat the homeless man to death were actually charged with a crime - murder!
Their defense argument is basically; that homeless guy getting beat on by multiple cops had it comin (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/27/local/la-me-0927-kelly-thomas-20110927)';
Schwartz also disputed the district attorney's statement that Cicinelli hit Thomas eight times in the head and face with the front of the Taser. He said his client struck Thomas only when the homeless man grabbed the hand holding the Taser at least twice.
"The Taser was falling out of his hand," said Schwartz, who said he's watched the video.
Susan Kang Schroeder, the district attorney's chief of staff, said the video shows Cicinelli struck the homeless man with the Taser before Thomas grabbed for it, and then struck him at least seven additional times.
Schwartz also said that Rackauckas misstated elements of the chronology of events in the video and the threatening words Ramos made to Thomas, which formed the crux of prosecutors' rationale for the murder charge against the veteran cop.
The full quote, Schwartz said, was: "See these fists? They are getting ready to f— you up if you don't do what I say."
Ramos made the statement simply in an effort to get Thomas to comply with his commands, Barnett said.
Schroeder dismissed that contention.
"No reasonable jury will believe the threat made like that could ever be conditional. It was made in a menacing way," she said. She added, "We know what Ramos meant because he carried it out."
Man, no wonder so many cops attack people for videotaping them. How are they suppose to beat the life out of people for kicks when they're being recorded?
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We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html)
To put that another way, we ruined people's lives so we could get better numbers on our monthly evals...
Anderson, testifying under a cooperation agreement with prosecutors, was busted for planting cocaine, a practice known as "flaking," on four men in a Queens bar in 2008 to help out fellow cop Henry Tavarez, whose buy-and-bust activity had been low.
"Tavarez was ... was worried about getting sent back [to patrol] and, you know, the supervisors getting on his case," he recounted at the corruption trial of Brooklyn South narcotics Detective Jason Arbeeny.
"I had decided to give him [Tavarez] the drugs to help him out so that he could say he had a buy," Anderson testified last week in Brooklyn Supreme Court.
The city paid $300,000 to settle a false arrest suit by Jose Colon and his brother Maximo, who were falsely arrested by Anderson and Tavarez. A surveillance tape inside the bar showed they had been framed.
A federal judge presiding over the suit said the NYPD's plagued by "widespread falsification" by arresting officers.
a completely inoffensive name
10-23-2011, 09:40
We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html)
To put that another way, we ruined people's lives so we could get better numbers on our monthly evals...
A good podcast with true stories of that exact thing happening as policy within the NYPD. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2
Vladimir
10-25-2011, 13:43
A good podcast with true stories of that exact thing happening as policy within the NYPD. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2
Stop it! You're scaring the Europeans.
Crazed Rabbit
10-29-2011, 17:35
Remember when we used to think it was just a few bad apples?
Hundreds of off duty police offers rally in support of their criminal colleagues in NYC (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/nyregion/officers-unleash-anger-at-ticket-fixing-arraignments-in-the-bronx.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp);
A three-year investigation into the police’s habit of fixing traffic and parking tickets in the Bronx ended in the unsealing of indictments on Friday and a stunning display of vitriol by hundreds of off-duty officers, who converged on the courthouse to applaud their accused colleagues and denounce their prosecution.
As the defendants emerged from their morning court appearance, a swarm of officers formed a cordon in the hallway and clapped as they picked their way to the elevators. Members of the news media were prevented by court officers from walking down the hallway where more than 100 off-duty police officers had gathered outside the courtroom.
The assembled police officers blocked cameras from filming their colleagues, in one instance grabbing lenses and shoving television camera operators backward.
The unsealed indictments contained more than 1,600 criminal counts, the bulk of them misdemeanors having to do with making tickets disappear as favors for friends, relatives and others with clout. But they also outlined more serious crimes, related both to ticket-fixing and drugs, grand larceny and unrelated corruption. Four of the officers were charged with helping a man get away with assault.
Jose R. Ramos, an officer in the 40th Precinct whose suspicious behavior spawned the protracted investigation, was accused of two dozen crimes, including attempted robbery, attempted grand larceny, transporting what he thought was heroin for drug dealers and revealing the identity of a confidential informant.
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The charged officers, accused of extending favors, seemed to have received a favor of their own from the authorities. They were spared a “perp walk,” the ritual in which suspects are walked to their booking or arraignment while photographers and videographers document their shame.
Instead, the officers were loaded into black vans at the Central Booking garage, then driven into a garage in the courthouse.
The ticket-fixing investigation began serendipitously in December 2008, after investigators began looking into accusations that Officer Ramos allowed a friend, Lee King, to sell drugs out of two barber shops named Who’s First that the officer owned in the Bronx. A wiretap was placed on Officer Ramos, which yielded conversations about fixing tickets.
The authorities said Officer Ramos provided Mr. King with an apartment, a cellphone, a car and a parking placard. He was one of the civilians arrested.
Prosecutors said the bulk of the vanished tickets were arranged by officials of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the city’s largest police union. All the officers charged with fixing tickets are either current or past union delegates or trustees.
As the investigation unfurled, the union played down its significance and consistently referred to ticket-fixing as “professional courtesy” inscribed in the police culture.
Patrick J. Lynch, the union president, said in a news conference that the officers had been arrested on something “accepted at all ranks for decades.” He did distance himself from those charged with graver offenses. He said he would have turned his back on Officer Ramos if he could have done so without insulting the court.
Mr. Kelly said that those who tried to rationalize ticket-fixing as part of the culture “are kidding themselves, especially if they think the public finds it acceptable.”
During the investigation, overseen by the Bronx district attorney’s office, prosecutors found fixing tickets to be so extensive that they considered charging the union under the state racketeering law as a criminal enterprise, the tactic employed against organized crime families. But they apparently concluded that the evidence did not support that approach.
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On Thursday afternoon, the police union sent a text message to 400 delegates urging them to show up at the court. Scores of police officers began filtering in around midnight on Thursday, when some of the accused officers arrived for booking. Some off-duty officers wore dark-blue T-shirts with the message on the back, “Improving everyone’s quality of life but our own.”
Forming a wall four deep in the main foyer, they applauded as the defendants appeared. The indicted officers waved and pumped their fists. A court official who came out to calm the crowd drew insults. A woman told the officers to return for the arraignments.
On Friday morning, on the street outside the courthouse, some 350 officers massed behind barricades and brandished signs expressing sentiments like “It’s a Courtesy Not a Crime.”
When the defendants emerged, many in the crowd burst into raucous cheers. Once they had gone and the tide of officers had dispersed, the street was littered with refuse.
Yup, rallying in support of being able to commit crimes without consequence.
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Major Robert Dump
10-30-2011, 12:11
I LOL'd at "Professional Courtesy."
Crazed Rabbit
11-03-2011, 06:21
They're cracking down on crime in NYC;
Don't be caught without ID in a public park after it's been closed, because you might face 36 hours in police custody (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/nyregion/dismal-tale-of-arrest-for-tiniest-of-crimes.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss).
And don't dare commit the heinous crime of getting shot by a stray bullet, for which one woman spent five days in a police station cell (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/days-charges-stray-bullet-victim-held-captive-cops-don-t-story-article-1.968163).
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Tellos Athenaios
11-03-2011, 15:48
Is this the right place for that Judge Adams (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-judge-william-adams-investigation-video-aparently-shows-beating-disabled-daughter-article-1.971307) story?
And do you Texans have any idea what this (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=143211) is about?
Sometimes, a man is so far ahead of his time that it is hard for his contemporaries to understand him. Judge Adams is such a man. As a judge, he is light years ahead of his time.
His genius may not be understood for many years. It may not be apparent to us mere mortals. His work will be the subject of scholarly legal articles and study for many years.
Some of his pearls of judicial wisdom follow:
1) Family law often concerns itself with the amorphous concept of "best interests of the child." Some have complained that this term is too undefined to provide reasonable guidance in judicial proceedings. Well, Judge William Adams has come to the rescue. We still do not know all the contours of the best interests of the child but we do know thanks to Judge William Adams the mental health of the primary child care provider is not relevant to "best interests." Thus, it doesn't matter with respect to the best interests of the child, if the child care provider is homicidal, psychotic, suicidal, and hullucinatory, among other things. In other words, a homicidal, hullucinatory, psychotic psychotic is just as good as someone who is not.
2) Naturally, from principle no. 1, it therefor follows that any discovery into the mental health history of a primary health care provider is irrelevant and should not be allowed.
3) Children should never be believed. This includes a child who everybody describes as bright and honest. If a child says he was abused, he should be ignored. If a parent doesn't ignore the child, the parent should be sanctioned (and her lawyer).
4) Similarly, if child says he has been abused, the alleged abuser should be asked whether he abused the child. If the alleged abuser denies the abuse, the issue should be dropped.
5) If the child says various people were present during the abuse, then those people have no relevance as witnesses. If the child's parents attempts to question them, she should be sanctioned (and her lawyer also).
6) If the child says he was abused at a restaurant, but people who abused the child deny having been at the restaurant at the relevant time, it is irrelevant that two waiters at the restaurant say they were there.
7) All children are fantasizers all the time; thus, anyone, who believes a child is frivolous and must be sanctioned.
8) If there is no videotape of something, it should not be presented in Court. No videotape, then it didn't happen.
9) Written communication don't count; only phone calls.
10) If a witness he doesn't have a clue what the charts he present mean or how they were created, then this means the charts are conclusive proof.
These are just a few "Judge William Adams" pearls of judicial wisdom. His wisdom is too vast to be learned in just one lesson.
Crazed Rabbit
11-04-2011, 06:57
Is this the right place for that Judge Adams (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-judge-william-adams-investigation-video-aparently-shows-beating-disabled-daughter-article-1.971307) story?
And do you Texans have any idea what this (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=143211) is about?
-It sure is.
-I'm guessing he's a good ole boy judge.
LA County, where they beat on the mentally disabled (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/10/06/sheriffs-deputy-quits-after-he-said-he-was-forced-to-beat-mentally-ill-inmate/);
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Records show a rookie Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy quit after only three weeks on the job after a supervisor forced him to beat up a mentally ill jail inmate.
The Los Angeles Times reported Thursday that 23-year-old Joshua Sathers, who graduated at the top of his class, was so disturbed after the March incident and subsequent cover-up at the Twin Towers jail that he resigned and moved to Colorado.
The incident was investigated by the sheriff’s department, which determined that no misconduct had occurred although an uncooperative inmate had been subdued.
The head of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/mh-troopergate-20111102,0,2263960.story) defends a man who was driving 122 mph and got a ticket for reckless driving - because he was a cop, of course. Do I even need to mention the last bit?
First came the controversial traffic stop, cop vs. cop on Florida's Turnpike, recorded on dash-cam video that went viral showing a state trooper pursuing, cuffing and detaining a hyper-speeding Miami police officer at gunpoint.
Now comes the aftermath: Some Miami police officers are not only defending their compatriot, they are threatening and insulting the Florida Highway Patrol trooper who had the nerve to write him a ticket for reckless driving.
If professional courtesy is a two-way street, it looks like the encounter between Miami Officer Fausto Lopez and Trooper Donna Jane Watts has dropped a massive roadblock between factions in their two agencies.
The grudge match has been playing out in hundreds of tit-for-tat postings on a law enforcement blog.
In this corner, Miami: "I would have loved for Watts to try and pull me over in my marked unit and draw her gun on me! She would have a very rude awakening,'' an anonymous writer posted Monday. "I would wait til I got to my district, called all my boys, and then you Miss Watts will be very SORRY!!'
On the other side, FHP: "The dumb ass shouldn't be doing 122 miles per hour that is RECKLESS,'' posted another writer. "What if it's your family that idiot rear-ends and kills, will you still want FHP to be so lenient?''
The growing tension was heightened Sunday when Sgt. Javier Ortiz, vice president of Miami's Fraternal Order of Police, which represents the city's 1,000-plus officers, attacked Watts and defended Lopez in a letter to union members. He accused Watts of just wanting to ticket a Miami cop.
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He went on to tell officers: "Please do not get to her level and begin taking action against Troopers because of the poor decisions of one. … Do not be running her information on DAVID, FCIC/NCIC, etc.,'' referring to law enforcement databases that contain criminal records, addresses and dates of birth.
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Though numerous threats and personal attacks have been directed at Watts, and purported members of both agencies are threatening to retaliate or not to back each other up in emergencies, there is no easy way to tell if the writers are actually law officers.
"She is an unfortunate-looking woman, her behavior probably has something to do with it,'' a pro-Miami writer said about Watts.
"Miami cops should be used to riding handcuffed in the back seat,'' wrote an FHP supporter. "So many get arrested for rape, murder, corruption, etc.''
Note the Miami cop is preemptively warning his fellow cops not to retaliate against the state trooper who pulled over the Miami cop shattering the speed limit. Because they have to be warned against such corrupt behavior, because otherwise they'd do it.
And note the Miami cops defending their right to flaunt the law and insisting on being treated as above the law.
It's not just a few bad apples.
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Papewaio
11-04-2011, 11:09
Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?
Major Robert Dump
11-04-2011, 16:05
Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?
Telling him you have AIDS after he gets your blood spatters all over him
Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?
IPCC in the United Kingdom.
So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0pX9LeE-g8
Crazed Rabbit
11-08-2011, 03:48
So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.
He's a hippie and the cop has a "non-lethal" gun. Furthermore, the hippie wasn't cowering in fear like the worthless peasant he is. Of course the police officer had to correct that immediately. For his safety.
Question time; when you're being illegally assaulted with deadly force, how should you fight back?
More on the OWS front (http://www.businessinsider.com/marine-with-crowd-control-training-points-out-oakland-used-methods-prohibited-in-war-zones-2011-10#ixzz1d4toO6IN):
As the events that led to Oakland protester Scott Olsen's head injury continue to unfold and investigations begin, we thought it important to offer some perspective.
This comment is from a former Marine with special operations in crowd control.
He points out that shooting canisters such as those that likely hit Scott Olsen is prohibited under rules of engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regardless of any political position on the Occupy protests, these are some Interesting insights:
Before gas goes into a crowd shield bearers have to be making no progress moving a crowd or crowd must be assaulting the line. Not with sticks and stones but a no bullshit assault. 3 warnings must be given to the crowd in a manner they can hear that force is about to be used. Shield bearers take a knee and CS gas is released in grenade form first to fog out your lines because you have gas masks. You then kick the canisters along in front of your lines. Projectile gas is not used except for longer ranged engagement or trying to steer the crowd ( by steering a crowd I mean firing gas to block a street off ). You also have shotguns with beanbags and various less than lethal rounds for your launchers. These are the rules for a WARZONE!!
How did a cop who is supposed to have training on his weapon system accidentally SHOOT someone in the head with a 40mm gas canister? Simple. He was aiming at him.
I'll be the first to admit a 40mm round is tricky to aim if you are inexperienced but anyone can tell the difference between aiming at head level and going for range.
The person that pulled that trigger has no business being a cop. He sent that round out with the intention of doing some serious damage to the protestors. I don't care what the protestors were doing. I never broke my rules of engagement in Iraq or Afghanistan. So I can't imagine what a protester in the states did to deserve a headshot with a 40mm. He's damn lucky to be alive and that cop knows he was using lethal force against a protester he is supposed to be protecting.
Specifically these two transcribed directly from US Army Law of War/Law of Armed Conflict training.
The Military manual states:
…have a duty to collect and care for the wounded. Prioritize treatment according to injuries. Make NO treatment distinction based on nationality. All soldiers, enemy or friendly, must be treated the same.
Second, the officer threw a flash-bang directly into a group of people trying to carry him away for medical treatment. Here's the Military guidance on that decision:
Medical Personnel Considered out of combat if they exclusively engaged in medical duties. (GWS, art. 24.) Doctors, surgeons, nurses, chemists, stretcher-bearers, medics, corpsman, and orderlies, etc..., who are “exclusively engaged” in the direct care of the wounded and sick.
Long story short is that the cops use violence quicker against protesters than Marines in Afghanistan [edited], and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.
Fun times.
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Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2011, 05:39
So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.
That ones pretty funny, but this one is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb6CcUjHOsw
Long story short is that the cops are more violent than Marines in Afghanistan fighting actual Taliban trying to kill them, and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.
Your disconnect from reality is mind boggling.
Crazed Rabbit
11-08-2011, 06:19
Your disconnect from reality is mind boggling.
Hmm. I should have said;
Long story short is that the cops use violence quicker against protesters than Marines in Afghanistan, and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.
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Vladimir
11-08-2011, 14:09
As someone with prior law enforcement experience I can verify that police officers are able to see through thick clouds of tear gas and are trained how to hit people in the head with inaccurate, smoothbore weapons.
No, I'm joking. The truth is that the cops tried killing every one of those kids but they were too drunk to shoot straight.
That ones pretty funny
So ... a protester is well back from the police lines, behaving peacefully, and him getting shot is funny. Wow.
I don't care if it's the Tea Party, the OWS crew, the Westboro Baptist Church or the Klu Klux Klan. I do not like seeing police using force when it is not warranted. I get that you hold the OWS crowd in utter and total contempt. They are somehow more pathetic than other protesters. Got it. You've been super-clear on that. Still, I find your attitude about appropriate force beyond comprehension.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2011, 19:15
So ... a protester is well back from the police lines, behaving peacefully, and him getting shot is funny. Wow.
I don't care if it's the Tea Party, the OWS crew, the Westboro Baptist Church or the Klu Klux Klan. I do not like seeing police using force when it is not warranted. I get that you hold the OWS crowd in utter and total contempt. They are somehow more pathetic than other protesters. Got it. You've been super-clear on that. Still, I find your attitude about appropriate force beyond comprehension.
I do like to see the police using force. I would be unhappy if they got pushed around.
It isn't a disagreement about appropriate force. As far as I can tell from the clip he acted unprofessionally--just not in a way that we should care about. I expect some policemen to get angry and react. They should have that level of self respect, and having self respect and being professional are two good things that sometimes contradict each other.
I'm not going to start talking about fascist police grinding the peasants under their heel (or whatever CR said) when the protesters manage to get the youtube clips they want by sheer dint of effort :stare:
What continues to baffle me is the way this thread mixes in obvious police abuse with obvious non-abuse without people being able to tell the difference :dizzy2:
Someone who likes to see the police using force? Really?
Vladimir
11-08-2011, 21:05
Someone who likes to see the police using force? Really?
Read his second sentence, then finish the rest of the post.
The alternative is to have a bunch of people running around in high visibility jacks and small, fuel efficient diesels.
Tellos Athenaios
11-08-2011, 21:53
I do like to see the police using force. I would be unhappy if they got pushed around.
It isn't a disagreement about appropriate force. As far as I can tell from the clip he acted unprofessionally--just not in a way that we should care about.
I expect some policemen to get angry and react.
There, I have underlined what is so highly unprofessional about it. Not just “unprofessional” as in using some choice language in a tight spot that isn't making good PR for the department. “Unprofessional” as in: is that cop even mentally fit for duty? The guy posed zero threat to the police, and they're not paid to be angry men with guns and the right to use them, they're paid to keep a cool and level head in all situations. Heck, it would be highly unprofessional in any line of work to respond in this manner (and would normally have rather more severe consequences than being called “unprofessional”, too).
They should have that level of self respect, and having self respect and being professional are two good things that sometimes contradict each other.
Nope. If they were professional they wouldn't let that camera get under their skin. Also, I fail to see how the inability to bear being put on camera equates to having any measure of self respect worth the name.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2011, 22:06
There, I have underlined what is so highly unprofessional about it. Not just “unprofessional” as in using some choice language in a tight spot that isn't making good PR for the department. “Unprofessional” as in: is that cop even mentally fit for duty? The guy posed zero threat to the police, and they're not paid to be angry men with guns and the right to use them, they're paid to keep a cool and level head in all situations. Heck, it would be highly unprofessional in any line of work to respond in this manner (and would normally have rather more severe consequences than being called “unprofessional”, too).
Nope. If they were professional they wouldn't let that camera get under their skin. Also, I fail to see how the inability to bear being put on camera equates to having any measure of self respect worth the name.
You're being a sucker for the propaganda :shrug:
The strategy is to provoke the police into retaliating, and then get it on youtube. They want you to think "The hippie wasn't cowering in fear like the worthless peasant he is. Of course the police officer had to correct that immediately." like CR said. And you do...you do.
It has the counterproductive effect of raising the standards of evidence for actually calling something abuse sky high. The fact that this is the best they've gotten so far is pretty telling.
VVV watch the video/interview. Proves exactly what I said. Unprofessional, but the guy is sooooo shootable that I forgive the police officer instantly.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2011, 22:22
PRICELESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0mFyQL_g1xs#t=105s
VVV watch the video/interview. Proves exactly what I said. Unprofessional, but the guy is sooooo shootable that I forgive the police officer instantly.
But Olbermann wasn't there. ~;)
Tellos Athenaios
11-09-2011, 00:39
You're being a sucker for the propaganda :shrug:
The strategy is to provoke the police into retaliating, and then get it on youtube. They want you to think "The hippie wasn't cowering in fear like the worthless peasant he is. Of course the police officer had to correct that immediately." like CR said. Obviously. But that doesn't negate the fact that the guy has every right to go out and about and record his day on camera, and that his doing so does not constitute a threat or act of violence towards those cops. Hence it remains highly unprofessional. Not to mention stupid in a don't-feed-the-trolls sort of way.
And you do...you do. Nope. He's holding a camera walking quite freely and calmly a few metres from the line of policemen. So obviously not a cowering peasant. He's still not up for target practice, though.
It has the counterproductive effect of raising the standards of evidence for actually calling something abuse sky high. The fact that this is the best they've gotten so far is pretty telling.
VVV watch the video/interview. Proves exactly what I said. Unprofessional, but the guy is sooooo shootable that I forgive the police officer instantly.
Which is where I beg to differ. I think this example is not necessarily symptomatic of abuse, but certainly unprofessional to the point that I wouldn't raise eyebrows if it ended up an dishonourable discharge. (Actually, I might, given the examples of the exact opposite in police HR being posted in this thread, but you get the idea.)
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2011, 01:03
Don't see what distinction you are making between highly and regularly unprofessional. Do you care that this guy got shot? How do you feel about the officer as a person? Judging the action is much less relevant than judging the people.
I mean, if you are a lobbyist, being unprofessional involves being MORE moral. And if there were cosmic justice, many more people would have been shot and then disenfranchised, perhaps the officer was divinely inspired ~D
Also, anyone referring to someone as a "Citizen Journalist" deserves to be shot extra :whip:
And if there were cosmic justice, many more people would have been shot and then disenfranchised, perhaps the officer was divinely inspired
Lovely.
Also, anyone referring to someone as a "Citizen Journalist" deserves to be shot extra
By all means, let us shoot those we find distasteful. That will solve everything. Oh, wait, you were kidding? Man, I bet that joke rocked the house at the Stormfront conclave. Somebody's got a future in fascist standup comedy!
Meh Kojiro, you're just playing l'enfant terrible right now, admit it :wacko:
How do you feel about the officer as a person? Judging the action is much less relevant than judging the people.
Also, anyone referring to someone as a "Citizen Journalist" deserves to be shot extra
The police officer must be discharged without compensatory pay on the spot.
Secondly, you do know that citizen journalists have been instrumental in the past in unveiling the abuse of political regimes the world over, not the least in Eastern Europe. Plus, it is such an American way of asserting oneself, how can you right-leaning chaps be such biconceptuals about it?
Vladimir
11-09-2011, 14:27
Well I think it's hilarious. Even though you can't see what was happening behind the cameraman you heard at least one idiot making an ass of himself.
From that viewpoint it seems like the officer acted inappropriately and used a bit of his own mob mentality and annaminity to inflict pain on a provocative fool.
Here's another one for Sasaki's comedy self-pleasure: Iraq vet tries to walk home, gets beat-down (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501369_162-57319130/second-iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-oakland-protests/). (But he was near the Occupy people and they're super-extra-bad, an police have a God-given right to beat and shoot people if their dignity is injured, so it's all okay! In fact, it's hilarious!)
When dinner was over, Sabeghi decided to call it a night because he had to work Thursday. He was walking home in west Oakland sometime late Wednesday or early Thursday when he encountered a line of police at the protest who wouldn't let him through, Goodstal said.
"Literally, you (could) see his apartment," she said. "The police for some reason ... said, 'No, you cannot pass.'"
Goodstal said Sabeghi told her he tried to explain his situation and officers began hitting him with batons.
Records show Sabeghi was booked on suspicion of resisting arrest. [...]
Goodstal said Sabeghi asked for medical attention several times from a jail cell and an ambulance came more than three hours after another friend posted his bail. [...] A Highland Hospital spokesman said Sabeghi was in fair condition Saturday but released no further details. Goodstal said Sabeghi was in the intensive care unit and had to undergo surgery for a lacerated spleen.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2011, 17:50
Here's another one for Sasaki's comedy self-pleasure: Iraq vet tries to walk home, gets beat-down (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501369_162-57319130/second-iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-oakland-protests/). (But he was near the Occupy people and they're super-extra-bad, an police have a God-given right to beat and shoot people if their dignity is injured, so it's all okay! In fact, it's hilarious!)
And why is that? One merely has to to read my posts over the course of this to see that I call abuse abuse and non-abuse non-abuse. I'm the sane one surrounding by a circle of partisans ~D
Sabeghi's story as told is clearly abuse, but I can't say what really happened.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8422482
http://globalgrind.com/news/kayvan-sabeghi-2nd-iraq-war-veteran-shot-oakland-police-speaks-out-details
Meh Kojiro, you're just playing l'enfant terrible right now, admit it :wacko:
The police officer must be discharged without compensatory pay on the spot.
No way. He made someone very happy.
Secondly, you do know that citizen journalists have been instrumental in the past in unveiling the abuse of political regimes the world over, not the least in Eastern Europe. Plus, it is such an American way of asserting oneself, how can you right-leaning chaps be such biconceptuals about it?
That's where the disconnect is between us I think. This isn't Eastern Europe. It's America 2011. Here, citizen wannabee journalists mainly spout garbage and it's wrong to dishonour people who actually do good work by automatically elevating hacks simply because they meet the minimum criterion. Or maybe I can call myself a philanthropist because I gave a homeless person a buck last week...
I call abuse abuse and non-abuse non-abuse.
A difficult claim to support when you make merry over an unarmed protester who is at least ten yards from police lines being deliberately shot. You contradict yourself with your own mirth.
Here, citizen wannabee journalists mainly spout garbage and it's wrong to dishonour people who actually do good work by automatically elevating hacks simply because they meet the minimum criterion.
And so, since a citizen journalist is illegitimate in your eyes, any police action taken against him is valid and justified. I've said it before and I'll say it again, lovely.
-edit-
Here's a little thought experiment: Imagine a cause you agree with. Imagine a protester for that cause behaving exactly like the fellow with the camera, but remove your outsized contempt. Now imagine that person being shot without provocation. Seriously, try to wipe the thick film of hate from your eyeglasses and see the thing for what it is.
Police have every right to defend themselves and enforce order. But the cause, fashion sense and/or dislikeability of the protesters is irrelevant, utterly irrelevant. I don't care if it's the Wetboro Baptist Church, the Black Panthers or your grandma who is protesting: this is America, we have (restricted but extant) freedom of speech and assembly, and anyone who is abiding within the law has a reasonable expectation that force will not be applied by the organs of the state. That's some seriously basic stuff right there.
Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2011, 19:16
I wish I was surprised some people considered legally filming the police provocation and the violent reaction by police understandable. Like saying skimpy clothing causes rapes because rapists can't control themselves.
At the occupy UC-Davis, a cop casually torturing a bunch of protesters with pepper spray who posed absolutely no threat to him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjnR7xET7Uo&feature=player_embedded#!
https://i.imgur.com/J3AE5.jpg
EDIT: Cops in Iowa bust into a house (http://www.whotv.com/news/who-story-police-brutality-claim-111811,0,2429621.story), throw people on the ground, jump on the elderly folks who don't get on the floor quick enough, shoot the dogs as they're either right next to a person's head, or running away. All with warrants looking for "any kind of legal or illegal drugs" and a stolen Xbox. They found neither.
POLICE BRUTALITY: Family Says Police Killed Their Dogs and Slammed Grandmother to Ground
JEFFERSON IA—
Matthew Spaulding says he and his family were terrorized at their own home by police who slammed his grandmother to the ground and shot his dogs-- missing his head by less than an inch. "Told us to get on the ground. I got on the ground they put me in handcuffs," Spaulding recalls, "Then they threw my dad to the ground and my dog Sadie was right here sniffing my head. She was next to me. They shot her. The blood got on my face and then she took off running behind me and they shot her like three more times."
Tuesday morning, Greene County Sheriffs Deputies and Perry Police officers arrived at Spaulding's Jefferson farmhouse to deliver a search warrant. The Spauldings say they were immediately ordered to the ground.. even Matthew Spauldings' disabled father, Chris. "My son hit the ground I hit the ground but I didn't make it too fast so (the officer) jumped on the middle of my back, shoved his knee in and held a gun to the back of my head and handcuffed me. After they shot my first dog my mom come out"
"They had taken me to the ground," Chris Spauldings' mother Susan Mace says, "So I was laying with my face in the ground. And I asked them why they shot the dog because the dogs weren't close to them"
The Spauldings say after the first dog was killed, a second dog running away from the shots --- and away from police--- was also shot. "They weren't barking. They weren't attacking nobody." Matthew Spaulding says, "They didn't even give us a chance to put them in the kennel. We have a big kennel outside our house we could have put them in but they wouldn't give us a chance."
Perry Police are not commenting. And they're refusing to turn over any paperwork or reports about the incident saying it's part of an ongoing investigation. But we were able to get copies of the search warrants. One warrant shows police were looking for any kind of legal or illegal drugs. The other shows police were looking for a stolen X-Box video game system. No drugs and no stolen games were found--and no one was arrested. Chris Spaulding says he's furious his dogs were killed--his mother was ruffed up and his son was almost killed by police---all over a missing video game system. "Some of these officers should be fired because they kinda took their job too far. No common sense. No public safety when you got a kid on the ground," he says, "That's messed up man. Right beside his head. You could have shot my son."
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
11-19-2011, 23:25
Reading the news about that...someone really needs to post that Orwell article on the degradation of language again.
A policeman pepper spraying people with dozens of cameras in plains sight has not been "caught" on camera.
That chubby man strolling casually along and spraying a group of people is neither violent nor is it torture. Saying that he used pepper spray is perfectly descriptive.
CR, don't you have any respect for property rights?
I am writing to tell you about events that occurred Friday afternoon at UC Davis relating to a group of protestors who chose to set up an encampment on the quad Thursday as part of a week of peaceful demonstrations on our campus that coincided with many other occupy movements at universities throughout the country.
The group did not respond to requests from administration and campus police to comply with campus rules that exist to protect the health and safety of our campus community. The group was informed in writing this morning that the encampment violated regulations designed to protect the health and safety of students, staff and faculty. The group was further informed that if they did not dismantle the encampment, it would have to be removed.
Following our requests, several of the group chose to dismantle their tents this afternoon and we are grateful for their actions.
How childish do you have to be to refuse to decamp and then whine about being pepper sprayed? All they had to do was walk away. There's no free speech at stake, it is simply them making the police force them out of the area in the belief that they are now martyrs. It's sick.
Crazed Rabbit
11-20-2011, 04:57
That chubby man strolling casually along and spraying a group of people is neither violent nor is it torture. Saying that he used pepper spray is perfectly descriptive.
So what do you call it when you inflict pain on other people if not violence? And if you inflict pain on people sitting peaceably who pose no harm to anyone, what is it if not torture?
CR, don't you have any respect for property rights?
They were students attending a public university and sitting down in public. I'm betting none were arrested for trespassing.
How childish do you have to be to refuse to decamp and then whine about being pepper sprayed? All they had to do was walk away. There's no free speech at stake, it is simply them making the police force them out of the area in the belief that they are now martyrs. It's sick.
Where these people camping? No, they were sitting on the ground with no tents around. Anyone could walk by or over them.
UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said officers used force out of concern for their own safety after they were surrounded by students.
Why do so many cops seem to be the most chicken :daisy: cowards in the world? (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/11/18/police-defend-use-of-force-on-occupy-uc-davis/)
The group was informed in writing this morning that the encampment violated regulations designed to protect the health and safety of students, staff and faculty.
Ah, the ole government claim that they're only beating you for your own good.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
11-20-2011, 06:14
So what do you call it when you inflict pain on other people if not violence?
Violent is close to words like frantic, destructive, impassioned, raging, uncontrollable.
Is pinching someone violence?
And if you inflict pain on people sitting peaceably who pose no harm to anyone, what is it if not torture?
Torture has a certain kind of intent...it can simply be cruel, or you can have the waterboarding type stuff in interrogations.
Is pinching someone torture?
I'm not your dictionary, Jesus. In your mind (filled with blind hatred for the police) these words may sound right, but words have actual meanings. I expect to see youtube comments talking about nazi's and fascists with these movies but I don't expect that kind of rhetoric here.
They were students attending a public university and sitting down in public. I'm betting none were arrested for trespassing.
Where these people camping? No, they were sitting on the ground with no tents around. Anyone could walk by or over them.
Why do so many cops seem to be the most chicken :daisy: cowards in the world? (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/11/18/police-defend-use-of-force-on-occupy-uc-davis/)
Ah, the ole government claim that they're only beating you for your own good.
CR
There was a camp on the quad. Camping is not free speech. Can I camp at your house all I want, CR? Do I have that right? Answer.
Some left when asked.
If you SIT there in that situation you are VOLUNTEERING. They are choosing to martyr themselves. Why weep over the pain of someone who could have stood up and walked a few steps if they had wanted to avoid the pain?
NO ONE was stopping them from protesting. They were 100% free to do that. They insisted on THAT area with the camp specifically in order to provoke conflict with the police.
Where does your hatred for the government and police come from????
Crazed Rabbit
11-20-2011, 07:06
The correct attitude for a cop to have; (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dta55/im_a_retired_french_riot_police_captain_ama/c12rc7t)
Training is necessary because riot control's ultimate goal is to make sure that the rioter in front of you goes home safely tonight, even if you end up in the infirmary. He's a citizen, you're a police officer, his life is more important than yours.
Unfortunately that last bit is directly the opposite of most cops today, who view their safety as paramount. I do not exaggerate in the least; visit a cop news site and read the comments about how they're always focused on making it home safely, and they'll do what they have to do to citizens to ensure that.
Violent is close to words like frantic, destructive, impassioned, raging, uncontrollable.
Is pinching someone violence?
So it's the manner in which you inflict pain that matters then? So if someone is sitting in a chair sipping bourbon, cool as a cucumber, and they shoot someone, that isn't violent?
Torture has a certain kind of intent...it can simply be cruel, or you can have the waterboarding type stuff in interrogations.
Is pinching someone torture?
Indeed it does. And I think it fits this situation perfectly. They didn't need to move those protesters to take down the tents. The cops were not in any danger. The chubby cop, dressed in riot gear, casually strolled in front of the people he swore to protect and serve and inflicted pain on them.
There was a camp on the quad. Camping is not free speech. Can I camp at your house all I want, CR? Do I have that right? Answer.
Some left when asked.
If you SIT there in that situation you are VOLUNTEERING. They are choosing to martyr themselves. Why weep over the pain of someone who could have stood up and walked a few steps if they had wanted to avoid the pain?
NO ONE was stopping them from protesting. They were 100% free to do that. They insisted on THAT area with the camp specifically in order to provoke conflict with the police.
Again, how did their sitting stop police from getting the tents out?
Where does your hatred for the government and police come from????
Read the thread. Seriously, is this a joke question? Read where cops and government agents get away with lying, beating, shooting every dog they see, and sometimes even murder. It's not that they do it - it's that they get away with it. And the government, their employer, promotes them and gives them awards.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
11-20-2011, 07:07
Cleansing myself.
2 NJ officers charged in police corruption case
CAMDEN, N.J. – Corruption charges were announced Thursday against two Camden police officers accused of falsifying evidence in drug cases in what are expected to be the last charges filed in a case that led authorities to dismiss more than 200 criminal cases.
The two officers, Antonio Figueroa and Robert Bayard, were indicted by a federal grand jury Wednesday. Both were suspended when the investigation began nearly a year ago.
Lawyers for both men entered not guilty pleas for them during arraignments on Thursday. Both defendants are being held without bail until detention hearings scheduled for Tuesday.
Three other Camden police officers pleaded guilty to related charges earlier this year and free on bail as they await sentencing.
Authorities say the officers, all members of a special operations unit assigned to police hot spots for crime and crack down on open-air drug markets, trafficked in drugs themselves. They say they stole them from some suspects, planted them on others, threatened to plant them on more in order to coerce cooperation, paid informants with drugs, and kept some for their own use.
They're also accused of conducting illegal searches, giving false testimony and filing false reports between 2007 and last year.
Since last year, the Camden County Prosecutor's Office has dropped charges in 210 cases in which some or all the officers were involved. In some cases, defendants had served years in jail.
Prosecutor Warren Faulk has said that some innocent people were jailed in some cases. In others, he believes true drug dealers were allowed to go free because the evidence against them was no longer credible.
Figueroa faces eight charges and Bayard five. For both, the most serious is conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a citizen, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman would not say whether Figueroa, 34, and Bayard, 32, were offered plea deals, or whether the other officers would testify against them.
Fishman said Thursday that Camden's police chief, Scott Thomson, alerted state and federal prosecutors of the alleged corruption after his department's internal affairs department started investigating.
Revelations about the case earlier this year were seen as yet another blow to a hard-luck city that consistently ranks as among the most crime-plagued in the nation.
Thomson said he's been meeting with community leaders for months — and that most of them seem to believe that the problem of rogue officers isn't widespread.
He stood Thursday with Fishman and state Attorney General Paula Dow to try to reinforce that message.
"It places dishonor on the thousands to tens of thousands of law enforcement officers who are out there day and night, basically doing the right thing," Dow said.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-20-2011, 07:41
So it's the manner in which you inflict pain that matters then? So if someone is sitting in a chair sipping bourbon, cool as a cucumber, and they shoot someone, that isn't violent?
Of course not. Violent is a word people misuse a lot because they don't know another word for bad. But it's a very important distinction.
Often the police deal with someone who is violently resisting arrest. They thrash around and kick and so on. The police will inflict pain in a measured, careful way to subdue them. If they whaled away indiscriminately with a club, THAT would be police violence.
Indeed it does. And I think it fits this situation perfectly. They didn't need to move those protesters to take down the tents. The cops were not in any danger. The chubby cop, dressed in riot gear, casually strolled in front of the people he swore to protect and serve and inflicted pain on them.
His attitude to you seems to be one of cruelty? That's a distortion...
Again, how did their sitting stop police from getting the tents out?
Why would they steal their tents? This is no different than any of the other camp clear outs :dizzy2:
These people are deliberately choosing to protest in a way that forces conflict with the police. That is what they are after. The signs and the slogans are ancillary. There is nothing at all peaceful about that, any more than blocking a street and sitting "peacefully" until the police have to come and force you away is. You would at least agree with that I hope, even if you don't agree with the police preventing camps.
Did you see the video I posted in the other thread? The guy standing up so that his head bumped which was described as "police running his head into the car"? What did you think of that?
Read the thread. Seriously, is this a joke question? Read where cops and government agents get away with lying, beating, shooting every dog they see, and sometimes even murder. It's not that they do it - it's that they get away with it. And the government, their employer, promotes them and gives them awards.
CR
Wow, I knew it was a good instinct of mine to post a case of actual police abuse before you accused of this. Read MY posts in the thread...
Your thinking is very distorted...your biased hatred is disturbing...the way you cry wolf only hurts the cause you care about. Harsh but true.
Crazed Rabbit
11-20-2011, 08:25
Why would they steal their tents? This is no different than any of the other camp clear outs :dizzy2:
These people are deliberately choosing to protest in a way that forces conflict with the police. That is what they are after. The signs and the slogans are ancillary. There is nothing at all peaceful about that, any more than blocking a street and sitting "peacefully" until the police have to come and force you away is. You would at least agree with that I hope, even if you don't agree with the police preventing camps.
These people weren't blocking a street. They weren't stopping police from moving the tents, which was their stated goal.
They didn't force conflict. The police force escalated the situation. It's a sad part of police culture that cops seemed trained to always escalate the situation, and never back down, even if it leads to violence.
These people are no more forcing conflict with police than the old civil rights marchers - who were set upon by police batons, dogs, and fire hoses - were. What's frustrating to me is that so many people view violent police overreactions as expected and just, that the only way for police to solve confrontations is with escalating the situation.
These are supposed to be civil servants.
Did you see the video I posted in the other thread? The guy standing up so that his head bumped which was described as "police running his head into the car"? What did you think of that?
I thought he was somewhat silly.
Your thinking is very distorted...your biased hatred is disturbing...the way you cry wolf only hurts the cause you care about. Harsh but true.
:rolleyes:
You seem to be the only one giddy about police shooting people filming them.
Hatred? After a while all the abuse sort of blends together and it doesn't get the blood boiling. It's like reading that it's raining outside.
Nor is there distortion - just the result of a reasonable review of empirical evidence.
CR
InsaneApache
11-20-2011, 13:43
I have to agree with CR and GC here. It's as though The Star Chamber and Magnum Force were training videos for these guys.
Crazed Rabbit
11-21-2011, 08:19
http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html
XJ: Can you tell us how it happened, from where you were sitting?
W: I'd pulled my beanie hat over my eyes, to protect my eyes. I received a lot of pepper spray in my throat. I vomited twice, right away, then spent the next hour or two dry heaving. Someone said they saw him spray down my throat intentionally, but I was so freaked out, and I was blinded by my hat, so I can't verify. I did get a large quantity of pepper spray in my lungs.
Another girl near me who has asthma had an attack triggered by the pepper spray, and she was taken to the hospital.
He used military grade pepper spray on us. It's supposed to be used at a minimum of 15 feet. But he sprayed us at point blank range. Another student, 20 years old, who was sprayed and then arrested—instead of receiving medical care for the pepper spray exposure, he was made to wait in the back of a police car. His hands were sprayed, and he had intense burning in his hands throughout the evening while he was being held. He asked a police officer what they could do to stop it, and they refused to give any advice.
...
They handcuffed the students so tightly. One kid, later on they were unable to cut off his ties, they'd been tied so tight. One of the other students couldn't feel his hands they were so purple, his circulation was cut off so badly for so long. He took himself to the hospital after he was released from the zip-tie restraints. They told him he had nerve damage and not to expect to be able to feel his hands for the next week. He has to come back next week to see if there was permanent nerve damage in his wrists.
...
We were never warned that we were going to be pepper-sprayed.
Lt. Pike walked up to my friend, and I am told that he said, "Move or we're going to shoot you."
Then he went back and talked to a few of his police officer friends. A couple of other officers started to remove people who were sitting there, blocking exit. Pike could have easily removed us, just picked us up and removed us. We were just sitting there, nonviolent civil disobedience.
But Pike turned around and I am told that he said to the other officers, "Don't worry about it, I'm going to spray these kids down."
He lifts the can, spins it around in a circle to show it off to everybody.
Then he sprays us three times.
As if one time of being sprayed at point blank wasn't enough.
I was on the end of the line getting direct spray. When the second pass came, I got up crawling. I crawled away and vomited on a tree. I was yelling. It burned. Within a few minutes I was dry heaving, I couldn't breathe. Then, over the course of the next hour, I was dry heaving and vomiting.
Sadists with badges and the backing of the state.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
11-21-2011, 21:01
The stuff that makes the news is the tip of the ice berg. The type of people that are choosing to become cops are clearly the wrong kind.
What percentage are?
How can anyone defend these things by saying "The law says they can't protest there?" The law also says that they can't pepper-spray down peoples' throats at point blank range. Defending the police here would be hypocrisy.
The law says you deal drugs...but if the police break into someones house without a warrant (illegal) we defend the drug dealer. This is the same kind of thing, like I said in the other thread.
You can criticize police tactics and competence all you want. But we're talking about right and wrong. Thou shalt not worship false martyrs.
We were never warned that we were going to be pepper-sprayed.
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I'd pulled my beanie hat over my eyes, to protect my eyes.
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Lt. Pike walked up to my friend, and I am told that he said, "Move or we're going to shoot you."
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He lifts the can, spins it around in a circle to show it off to everybody.
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Sasaki Kojiro
11-21-2011, 21:52
That is exactly my point, though. You and apparently many others seem to think you should default on the side of the cops. I'm saying you should always default to the other side. Always. Every time there is doubt. The moment you value a police officer's convenience more than an alleged criminal's life, you have invalidated the entire system. I realize these are broad sweeping statements, and I won't be offended if that's your entire objection.
Actually I usually agree with this 100%. Or at least I agree with it in theory. I don't agree with it when the source article on the subject is written by the defense lawyer, as has been the case for many of the things posted here. And I don't agree with it regarding the tactics of the ows movement.
But setting those kind of things aside we should definitely hold high standards for the police as a default.
We cut through the minor differences in our policy and reached a fundamental common truth
Read his post again :bow:
Your trade of minor differences translated:
Kojiro accepted to acquiesce your principle while you agreed with his principle-breaking position on a case by case basis.
It's the long term view that once all the "wrong" people are silenced the principle won't even need to be enforced anyway.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-22-2011, 08:04
With thousands of arrests, the real story has nothing to do with a student whose zip tie was too tight. When there are enough protesters and rioters in Oakland that the city has to call out tons of cops who aren't trained for riot duty, the story has nothing to do with the one cop who got pissed and shot someone with a rubber bullet. The story is about the protest itself, how it proves we should raise the voting age, how immoral their propaganda tactics are, and heck, after we finish with that we can discuss the issues they vaguely reference with their slogans.
If there is a story about the police it's about how we live in a country where students who are "protecting" a mere half dozen tents are told by police "Move or we're going to shoot you" and sit their calmly knowing that nothing truly bad is going to happen to them...it's about how hundreds are willing to get arrested on a lark by blocking a bridge--without worrying about what will happen to them as a result. Anyone who payed attention to the news from the "Arab spring" (which these jokers compare their movement too) has seen the corpses and heard the stories of people who were tortured for hours for singing a song...they beat that guy with steel rods and jumped up and down on his back and head for two hours before going to work with the cattle prod, if I remember correctly...
In the abstract, you can talk about ideal police tactics and training and competence (which is where GC and I agree, yes?), but the abstract is completely irrelevant here. It's worse than irrelevant actually, talking about the abstract is seriously misses what's important and promotes propaganda, which if successful will lead to MORE of the very incidents that are being bemoaned here. If the tactics of the OWS had been condemned by everyone weeks ago do you think they would still be trying it?
Major Robert Dump
11-26-2011, 21:31
Gentleman
I do not come to this thread to read debate, I come to watch roided or fat cops with a little man complex assault people with cameras, shoot dogs and tazer old ladies. Please get back on topic and continue posting videos.
Vladimir
11-27-2011, 18:01
:laugh4: So true. Get back to it!
Gentleman
I do not come to this thread to read debate, I come to watch roided or fat cops with a little man complex assault people with cameras, shoot dogs and tazer old ladies. Please get back on topic and continue posting videos.
Fine, how about some black friday hijinks. From the fine officers of the Pheonix PD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE03xl9cUns
CNN story (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/25/justice/arizona-walmart-arrest/)
Taken from the youtube links description:
Man put two video games under his shirt in his waste band because his grandson got knocked down and hurt in the rush and he needed his hands to help his grandson. A cop saw and immediately arrested him for shoplifting. The man was cooperating while the cop was putting on the handcuffs. The cop out of no where tripped the man and bashed his head nose first into the ground knocking him out and there is blood everywhere. The cop did not know how to care for the man so someone that was there shopping had to help get blood out the mans airways.
Crazed Rabbit
11-27-2011, 21:23
Rookie cop tasers and kills a man (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10415249/) peaceably riding his bike along the road. Good to see we're training cops correctly.
In Seattle, police beat a man senseless (http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-officers-just-yank-em-comment-raises-quest/nFjdq/) for driving while black.
SEATTLE — What turns out to be an innocent black suspect ends up at the hospital with a bloody face and a broken rib -- courtesy of a pair of white Seattle police officers.
SPD defends the injuries as "justified" but finds itself again fighting an uphill public relations battle over accusations of racism and brutality.
KIRO Team 7 Investigative Reporter Chris Halsne has videotape of the latest incident getting the city sued.
Halsne reports that the video tells part of the story, but it's our copy of the audio tape (of officers talking inside their patrol vehicle prior to the arrest) that is coming under scrutiny.
Undercover officers from the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct Anti-Crime Team were running a "drug traffic loitering" sting in January last year when Terry Jefferson's white Cadillac DeVille caught their attention. It’s unclear from public records if police knew Jefferson lived in the neighborhood.
According to an incident report, "Officers observed (suspect) S/Jefferson make a hand to hand exchange" near a 76 gas station at 23rd and Union. There is no video of that, but dash camera video obtained by KIRO Team 7 Investigators shows a marked cruiser stopped in front of the Cadillac a few blocks away. Jefferson says he thought police wanted to go past him on the narrow street, so he backed his car up on the curb out of the way.
Police saw it differently, reporting to their superiors that "they believed the suspects were possibly concealing weapons and/or evidence."
Video and audio from the scene indicates the officers opened their car doors briefly and shouted, “Hey. Stop moving. Hey,” as Jefferson started to park his car. The officers shut their doors and drove forward a few feet, while one officer told the other inside the case “Just yank ‘em, right out.”
Gallery: 'Use of force' photos depict injuries
The passenger in Jefferson’s car tells KIRO Team 7 Investigators she only heard one command given to Jefferson – and that was to "turn the car off."
Even though Jefferson appears to comply with the request, within six seconds of exiting his cruiser, the first officer pulled Jefferson from his car and used a "straight arm bar takedown."
Reports say Jefferson “hit his face on the pavement." Two officers spent the next 15 seconds behind the car door using "feet - knees- hands - and elbows" before getting Jefferson into custody.
Jefferson's attorney, James Bible, says the videotape proves the violence was unnecessary.
“The officers made a predetermined decision to yank him - that's precisely what they did. And after they yanked him, he was then laying on the ground and they proceeded to do what they did, which resulted in significant injury to Terry.”
Officers filed a "use of force report" and four commanders up the SPD chain signed off on the arrest as proper.
The collateral damage was documented at the hospital - Jefferson's lip, cheek, eyes, teeth, knees, and ribs took a beating.
After finding no weapons or drugs in Jefferson's car, SPD arrested him for "obstruction."
Prosecutors later dropped that charge.
Bible, says he sees drug loitering and obstruction statues frequently misused on members of the minority community.
He told Halsne, “Essentially what it means is: we thought you were a drug dealer, you look like a drug dealer to us. You didn't have any drugs on you and because you didn't have any drugs on you, we, of course cannot be wrong, so somebody still has to go to jail.”
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Crazed Rabbit
12-11-2011, 05:29
http://www.startribune.com/local/135343023.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
The Minneapolis City Council approved a $1 million settlement Friday after a botched drug raid in 2010 in which an officer threw a "flash-bang" grenade into a south Minneapolis apartment burning the flesh off a woman's leg.
The payout to Rickia Russell, who suffered permanent injuries, was the third largest payout for alleged Minneapolis police misconduct on record.
Flash grenades are intended to distract and intimidate, not to injure people, but during the raid the device rolled under the legs of Russell, who was seated on a sofa, and exploded. The police were looking that day for a drug dealer, narcotics and a firearm, but found nothing.
Russell, now 31, suffered third- and fourth-degree burns that caused a deep indentation on the back of one leg, requiring skin grafts from her scalp. She is still undergoing physical therapy.
"What happened in this case was an accident," Minneapolis city attorney Susan Segal said in a statement. "It's very unfortunate that Ms. Russell suffered serious injuries, however, accidents like this are rare."
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Police had applied for a "no-knock" warrant but did not get it, Bennett said.
Police insist they shouted "search warrant" before knocking down the door, according to police reports, and say the grenade was dropped on the door threshold and not rolled toward Russell. Officer Cliff Taylor wrote in after-action reports that he was the one who dropped the flash-bang grenade.
The department's instructions state officers should "toss the device ... ensuring that the area is free of hazards and people."
James Desmarais, an assistant professor of criminal justice at Johnson & Wales University, an expert hired by Bennett, said in a deposition that "the flash bang grenade was thrown blindly or Officer Taylor saw the adults and the flash bang grenade was thrown anyway.
"Both cases would violate all standards, policies, practices and training as well as legal mandates for such a use of force."
Russell, who was visiting her then-boyfriend Mario Bogan, was sitting on the corner of a couch, and Bogan was on the floor playing a video game with Willy Barron, a friend.
Russell testified in a deposition that she heard a loud noise, the door flew open and police tossed the grenade in her direction.
"It blew up," she told lawyers, "it was just a big boom, it was just light. The flash kind of blinded me a little bit. There was dust."
On police orders, she lay face down on the floor and officers handcuffed her. Then she noticed her leg was burning and told Bogan, who was lying face down next her. When Bogan tried to tell officers about Russell's injuries, she said they told him to shut up.
She said an officer then walked over, shined a light on her and uttered an expletive. "We have a problem," the officer said, "somebody call an ambulance." She said they grabbed towels from a table and stuffed them into her wounds.
Paramedics took Russell to the burn unit at Hennepin County Medical Center. The following day she had surgery, and remained hospitalized for two weeks. "Oh my God," she said in the deposition. "The pain level was beyond a 10."
Russell was arrested on a misdemeanor for having a "disorderly house" but never charged. She sued the city in federal court last year.
No discipline was imposed on the officers, Minneapolis spokesman Matt Laible said.
Standard police actions; wildly reckless, dangerous acts based on poor information. Adding insult to injury by charging the victim of their violent actions with a completely fabricated crime. Absolutely no discipline for breaking into innocent people's homes with machineguns, throwing grenades and severely injuring people. Taxpayers pay for it all.
And the city says it was an accident. No, it wasn't an accident, you loathsome ****. It was the result of a series of deliberate actions by the police.
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Crazed Rabbit
12-15-2011, 06:02
Huzzah - an officer was fired (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/sep/21/police-officer-loses-job-over-holding-cell-inciden/#) for blatantly abusing a prisoner;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo9ePTAQf8&feature=player_embedded
Of course, now the local union is fighting like hell (http://www.keepcolumbiafree.com/blog/support-for-chief-burton/) to get him back on the job. Also note that the internal affairs found in the officer's favor, but the chief fired him anyway. Huzzah!
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Crazed Rabbit
12-18-2011, 09:46
Seattle Police show a pattern of excessive force:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Feds-findings-in-Seattle-Police-abuse-2407378.php
SPD officers escalate situations, and use unnecessary or excessive force, when arresting individuals for minor offenses. This trend is pronounced in encounters with persons with mental illnesses or those under the influence of alcohol or drugs. This is problematic because SPD estimates that 70 percent of use of force encounters involve these populations.
Related: Seattle Cops actively trying to escalate situations:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/New-video-shows-Seattle-cops-dishing-out-taunts-profanity-135790378.html?tab=video&c=y
SEATTLE - A newly released dashcam video shows continuing problems within the ranks of Seattle police just as the U.S. Justice Department released a scathing report accusing the police of a pattern of excessive force.
The video, obtained by KOMO News, shows taunts and profanity dished out by Seattle police during a routine traffic stop - exactly the kinds of problems highlighted in the civil rights investigation.
The lawyer who released the video says it backs up Justice Department findings that Seattle police use "unnecessary and excessive force" in violation of the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution.
The officers involved were reprimanded - but the lawyer questions if the punishment went far enough.
The video shows Seattle police stopping Miguel Oregon for speeding in March 2010. Police also pulled his passenger Hugo Perez from the car.
But it's not what the officer did - it's what he said - that's behind the latest complaint.
"This badge is the only thing preventing me from skull :daisy: you and dragging you down the street," one of the officers can be heard saying in the video.
Attorney James Egan says now that the Department of Justice has found a pattern of excessive force by Seattle police, the public should see their officers at work.
"And ask yourself if this is the face of the Seattle police that you expect to project with your tax dollars," Egan says.
The taunts and profanity continued throughout the stop, as shown in the videotape.
"Don't suck my :daisy: here, all right," says one officer.
Instead of de-escalating the situation, the lawyer says police provoked his clients.
"What I think these officers were doing was goading these guys into possibly taking a swing at them so they could take them down," Egan says.
Egan says officers lied in their follow-up reports, saying the car didn't stop for a stop sign - and pedestrians were near the crosswalk.
But the dashcam video clearly shows brake lights as the car halts - and no one in sight crossing the street.
"I think if you look at the record, they circled the wagons to protect themselves," says Egan.
Ultimately, the case against the driver was dropped for lack of evidence. Three of the four officers were suspended 15 to 20 days for profanity - another black eye for the thin blue line.
"I've seen the good and the bad - and this is super ugly," says Egan.
Egan doesn't plan any civil actions against Seattle police, saying he just wants the public to see where the department needs to improve.
In Spokane, 50 cops salute a fellow cop who was charged, tried, and convicted for his part in beating a mentally ill man who hadn't broken any laws to death;
Spokane cops estranged from community
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/spokane-cops-estranged-community-15178283
t was the salute that shocked Spokane.
About 50 Spokane cops stood and saluted a fellow officer as he left a federal courtroom in custody last month after being convicted of using excessive force in the death of a mentally ill janitor.
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The most notorious police death in Spokane occurred in 2006, when Zehm, a schizophrenic, died at the hands of a group of officers in a convenience store. Zehm, who had committed no crime, was beaten, shot with a Taser, hog-tied and sat on until he passed out and died two days later without regaining consciousness.
Our law enforcement officers: saluting those convicted of murdering defenseless people. Classy.
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Crazed Rabbit
12-22-2011, 06:42
Cop drives through an intersection at high speed, at night, without any lights on. He wasn't going to a crime scene or chasing anyone.
He did hit and kill two pedestrians. (http://www.turnto23.com/north_river_county/30034310/detail.html) At the accident scene there were arrests.
The cops arrested some of the relatives of the dead victims who came to the accident site.
The cop who was speeding without any lights in the dark was not detained, nor tested for alcohol or drugs. He was taken to the hospital and is currently on a paid vacation.
I wonder, how many other democracies could such a thing happen in?
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I wonder, how many other democracies could such a thing happen in?
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More than you might think. For example in the past responsibility for tactical counter terrorism and foreign intelligence gathering was the responsibility of the RCMP in Canada. But various bungles and scandals that cost lives and money led to the creation of CSIS and JTF2.
Crazed Rabbit
01-12-2012, 03:08
In Florida deputies stripped a 62 year old man, tied him to a chair, tied a 'spit hood' over his mouth, and then pepper sprayed him until he died (see video). They were cleared of doing anything wrong. (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/investigates/photo-shows-pepper-sprayed-prisoner-12142011)
A Denver cop was driving 143 mph in a 55 mph zone. Drunk. He was fired, but the union wants him back on the job (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19636151?source=bb).
A New Jersey cop drove a 30 year old bar out of business when they wouldn't pay protection money (http://thenewspaper.com/news/36/3681.asp).
Maryland cops beat up a Vietnam veteran/professional news photographer (http://www.pixiq.com/article/white-house-photog-wrongfully-arrested-considering-suing) and destroy evidence:
The Vietnam veteran also photographed the fall of the Berlin Wall, genocide in Rwanda and the war in the Balkans.
But one of his worst experiences occurred as he stepped out of a restaurant in Maryland last year and saw police officers detaining two young men.
He pulled out a video camera and stood on the sidewalk recording.
Seconds later, a Montgomery County police officer walked up to him.
He ended up beaten up and jailed on a disorderly conduct charge.
This is how it was explained by Donald Winslow, editor of News Photographer, the official magazine of the National Press Photographers Association:
Garcia, 58, wasn't physically close to the police, the suspects, or the cars. "I was across the street and about half a block up the street, toward the street light," he says. "When an officer came up to me, I let the camera go, I opened up my hands, and I said, 'I'm Mannie Garcia, and I'm with the press.' Then two things happened at about the same time: he grabbed me by the neck and says, 'That's it, you're under arrest'; and he pulled my arm behind me, put me in a choke hold, and started dragging me across the street. That's about the time I hollered out, 'Vicki!'"
The MCP officer accosting Garcia was C. P. Malouf. "He had me by the neck and he overwhelmed me," Garcia said. The photographer says he offered no resistance. "The camera was around my neck, he could see there's nothing in my hands, but he went for my neck, and by the neck he dragged me across the street. He assaulted me. He hit me, grabbed me, and while he did it he kept moving across the street. When I got to the police cruiser, I was shoved up against the cruiser a couple of times. I was handcuffed, and he kicked my right foot out from under me."
Garcia says when the police picked him up off the ground, "they were laughing and he [Malouf] said, 'Will you quit trying to hurt yourself?'"
The photojournalist says that his wife was approaching closer at that time, and one of the other officers yelled, "If that :daisy: :daisy: takes one more step I'm going to arrest her :daisy:." Garcia remembers that he shouted to his wife to step back. "And that's when I got my head slammed into the car."
When the police cruiser with Garcia got to the 4th District Station, he saw Malouf fiddle with the camera and then while they were parked in the station's parking lot saw the officer figure out how to open it at the bottom.
"I saw him take the chip out," Garcia said. Although he would eventually get his camera back, the memory chip was never accounted for.
In their police report, police claimed Garcia "threw himself to the ground, attempting to injure himself,” then threw himself against the car in an attempt to injure himself.
They claimed that in order to save Garcia from himself, they had to use force on him.
LA Sheriff Deputy elbows an autistic woman in the face (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTPhuPuF20&feature=player_embedded) for talking back.
On occasion even the cops hit the limit for what they can get away with; this Rhode Island cop kicked a woman, handcuffed on sitting on the curb, full on in the head (http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/blackstone/trial-video-shows-lincoln-cop-assault)while he was standing several feet away. Of course it only came to light because of a business's surveillance camera. His fellow cops were just fine with him not getting in trouble for such violence.
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Crazed Rabbit
01-17-2012, 02:51
Cop or Soldier: A Visual Quiz (http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=cop-soldier)
Try to determine if the image is of US police officers or (mostly US) military personnel. I got 17/21.
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a completely inoffensive name
01-17-2012, 02:54
13/21 Wow, why do cops need such hardware?
Vladimir
01-17-2012, 15:24
18 out of 21. I got a little impatient and missed a couple.
More pictures taken out of context to frighten an ignorant and fearful public. I'm really not impressed. :no:
Protip: Look at the headgear. Police are also the ones with the shiny, unused vehicles.
I better not see any of you people complain about criminals being better armed that police.
Vladimir
01-18-2012, 13:51
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but it's entirely out of context. All they're showing you is images of people and vehicles. There is no context as to why they are there or what is happening letting the viewer fill in the gaps. The cops depicted could just as easily be from LA or border patrol as they can be from another country. I'm pretty sure one photo is of IDF soldiers, who, it could be said, are both.
The only context is a thread called "Police Abuses" and that sets the tone.
Vladimir
01-18-2012, 17:12
Oh, on the contrary, bias is what makes this place so fun to visit. ~;)
Crazed Rabbit
02-08-2012, 16:37
Officers beat up a guy in diabetic shock, while yelling "stop resisting :daisy:" (http://www.lvrj.com/news/video-shows-officers-beating-motorist-in-diabetic-shock-138901274.html)
Video at link.
Adam Greene is on his stomach as a pack of police officers pile on him, driving their knees into his back and wrenching his arms and legs. One officer knees him in the ribs; another kicks him in the face.
"Stop resisting," officers on the video yell, but Greene, his face pushed into the pavement, hasn't resisted. He doesn't even move -- maybe can't move -- because he's gone into diabetic shock caused by low blood sugar.
The video, recorded more than a year ago by a police car dashboard camera, was released Tuesday by Greene's lawyers. The same night, the Henderson City Council approved a settlement of $158,500 for Greene. His wife received $99,000 from Henderson, which is just under the minimum amount that requires council approval.
Nevada Highway Patrol troopers also participated in the traffic stop but do not appear to kick or knee Greene on the video. The state has agreed to pay $35,000 to Greene for a total of $292,500 between the two agencies.
It was a Highway Patrol vehicle camera that captured the incident.
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Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2012, 01:01
That's true police abuse!
But I will nitpick for traditions sake. The suggestion is that they are even more terrible because he is in diabetic shock gets in backward. The diabetic shock is what made him act so weird that they took precautions (the other three officers took precautions I mean, not the guy who ran up and kicked him in the face...). It would be worse if they had done the same thing to someone who wasn't in diabetic shock.
Crazed Rabbit
02-09-2012, 05:11
That's true police abuse!
But I will nitpick for traditions sake. The suggestion is that they are even more terrible because he is in diabetic shock gets in backward. The diabetic shock is what made him act so weird that they took precautions (the other three officers took precautions I mean, not the guy who ran up and kicked him in the face...). It would be worse if they had done the same thing to someone who wasn't in diabetic shock.
The problem is police tend to respond to anything but immediate and exact compliance with disproportionate force. Even if the person is not resisting violent, they treat the victim as though he's trying to attack a police officer.
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Crazed Rabbit
02-12-2012, 18:46
A recent murder in NYC (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ramarley-graham-new-york-police-_n_1266715.html#s681123):
NEW YORK -- A week after police shot to death an unarmed 18-year-old in his grandmother's Bronx apartment, questions continue to swirl around the aggressive police tactics that led to the fatal confrontation.
Ramarley Graham died last Thursday after Richard Haste, 30, a New York police officer, kicked down the door of his grandmother's apartment and shot Graham in the chest while he attempted to flush a bag of marijuana down the toilet. Graham was unarmed and police did not have a warrant to enter the home.
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The large number of officers at the house indicated that Graham wasn't likely to escape and that officers could have waited to obtain a warrant before storming the apartment, said Emdin, the Graham family's attorney.
"They can't take matters into their own hands like this and violate the Constitution," Emdin said.
John Wesley Hall, a criminal defense attorney in Little Rock, Ark. who has argued cases involving police searches before the Supreme Court, said a police suspicion that Graham might be carrying an illegal handgun was insufficient justification for breaking down his door.
"If they thought he had a gun, they should have stopped him on the street and not waited for him to go inside," Hall said. "Any reasonable officer would have known that they needed a warrant to get into the house."
The most crucial question facing Haste, the shooting officer, will surround his actions inside the apartment.
Haste's partner told investigators that Haste identified himself as a police officer, told Graham to "show his hands" and then yelled "gun, gun" before firing, Kelly said.
But Graham's grandmother maintains that officers did not announce their presence before kicking down her door and that Haste did not say anything to Graham before shooting him, Emdin said.
"I asked her if they said 'police' when they entered," Emdin said. "She says 100 percent no."
Emdin also questioned an initial police account describing the shooting. In statements to reporters the day of Graham's death, chief NYPD spokesman Paul J. Browne said that Graham "struggled" with Haste in the bathroom before the fatal shot.
But at a press conference the next day, Kelly, the NYPD commissioner, answered 'no' when asked whether investigators still believed a struggle had taken place.
They held the grandmother for several hours in against her will (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/nyregion/treatment-of-grandmother-after-fatal-police-shooting-is-criticized.html?_r=2&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto) after they killed her grandson:
After Mr. Graham was killed, Ms. Hartley was taken to the 47th Precinct station house on Laconia Avenue and held for seven hours, said Carlton Berkley, a friend of the family’s who said he had retired from the police force as a detective in the 30th Precinct, in Upper Manhattan. Mr. Berkley added that Ms. Hartley was forced to give a statement about what happened.
“She gave it against her will,” Mr. Berkley said. “She didn’t want to speak to the police.”
This was so blatant (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/killer_cops_probe_ve7juYJedh2lCRE9Zh8G9M) there may actually be consequences for the killers:
Two cops could face criminal charges for the fatal shooting of an unarmed teen drug suspect in The Bronx, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said yesterday.
The officer who fired the shot and his sergeant were stripped of their guns and badges and placed on desk duty while the Internal Affairs Bureau investigated the deadly shooting of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham.
“We are still evaluating the actions here,” the commissioner said. “The evidence will be presented to a grand jury.”
Kelly was clearly troubled by the cops’ actions.
“We see an unarmed person being shot. That always concerns us,” Kelly said. “The fact is that a young man’s life was taken.”
On a different note of police abuse - how military vehicles are marketed to SWAT teams, and the fetishizing of the military by cops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WmBwBD5Tc0Q
One town in New Hampshire is resisting the deployment of this vehicle (http://freekeene.com/2012/02/10/lenco-sales-reps-keene-has-the-most-passion/) to their town.
EDIT: Oh yeah, in Miami, some cops destroy evidence (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/journalist-recovers-video-of-his-arrest-after-police-deleted-it.ars).
EDIT: Half of all all people shot by LA County Deputies after allegedly reaching for their waistbands, presumably for a gun, are unarmed: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/23/local/la-me-unarmed-shootings-20110923
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PanzerJaeger
02-13-2012, 07:43
That thing looks better protected than what they went into Iraq with. Absolutely pathetic. SWAT teams are an enormous waste of taxpayer money, and in many cases, taxpayers themselves.
Crazed Rabbit
02-14-2012, 16:57
Seattle Police talk about making up evidence, on camera:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Officer-threatens-to-make-up-evidence-after-arrest-of-innocent-men-139266773.html?tab=video&c=y
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a completely inoffensive name
02-17-2012, 02:06
Man tried to exercise his rights at DUI checkpoint, and guess what the cops decided to do.....they let him go.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=053_1329365345
Crazed Rabbit
02-17-2012, 04:24
Follow up on the Seattle Cop who said he'd make stuff up: (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Officer-threatens-to-make-up-evidence-after-arrest-of-innocent-men-139266773.html)
We showed Seattle Police Sergeant Sean Whitcomb the arrest video, and he admits the 'make stuff up' comment was inappropriate. But he says the department's Office of Professional Accountability investigated the complaint and exonerated the officer.
"I can tell you we take (complaints) seriously but people have to believe that and they have to trust the system they have to trust the process," Whitcomb said.
Because if we begin not trusting the process, we just might see what sort of people they really are.
This same news channel has had to sue the SPD to get public dash cam videos (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/130138973.html).
The SPD has destroyed and hidden video evidence for quite a while. (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/130209878.html)
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Vladimir
02-17-2012, 13:42
Man tried to exercise his rights at DUI checkpoint, and guess what the cops decided to do.....they let him go.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=053_1329365345
That's funny. Awkward, but funny.
Crazed Rabbit
02-24-2012, 19:40
What to do if you're a fat cop and a handcuffed 20 year old woman is running away?
Taser them in the back so their head smacks onto concrete (http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/experts-say-troopers-use-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998) and they go into a permanent coma.
This week, two state agencies cleared Florida Highway Patrol Trooper Daniel Cole of any wrongdoing in the September incident, which occurred as Maudsley tried to escape from an FHP station in Pinellas Park.
But several experts and researchers who reviewed reports and video of the incident said the case raises questions.
They are troubled that Cole tasered Maudsley, a suspect in two hit-and-run crashes who had drugs in her system, while she was handcuffed. They also noted that Cole was just steps behind Maudsley when he fired the Taser.
"It just doesn't make any sense," said Greg Connor, a professor at the University of Illinois Police Training Institute who specializes in use of force. "I don't see where it's going to be that hard to apprehend her."
Cole, who at 267 pounds weighed about three times as much as Maudsley, told investigators he used his Taser because he was concerned one or both of them would be injured if he tackled her. He worried she was headed toward heavy traffic on U.S. 19.
Disturbing video of the incident. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnoxaB17pA4&feature=player_embedded)
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Vladimir
02-28-2012, 14:51
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CountArach
03-11-2012, 14:23
Berkeley police chief sends armed Sergeant to reporter's home (http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20143269/berkeley-police-chiefs-decision-send-sergeant-reporters-home)
Minutes after reading a late-night news story online about him that he perceived to be inaccurate, Berkeley Police Chief Michael Meehan ordered a sergeant to a reporter's home insisting on changes, a move First Amendment experts said reeked of intimidation and attempted censorship.
Meehans's actions were "despicable, totally despicable," said Jim Ewert, general counsel of the California Newspaper Publisher's Association. "It's the most intimidating type of (censorship) possible because the person trying to exercise it carries a gun."
Bay Area News Group reporter Doug Oakley said he was shaken by the 12:45 a.m. Friday knock on the door of his Berkeley home. He said at first he and his wife thought something was drastically wrong or perhaps that a relative had died.
[...]
Oakley changed two paragraphs in his story, but Ewert and Peter Scheer, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, said it wasn't that Meehan wanted the article altered, it was that he sent an armed police sergeant to Oakley's home to ask for changes.
"Ordering a police officer to a journalist's home in the middle of the night to demand changes to a story is an attempt at 'censorship by intimidation,' Scheer said. "It definitely crossed the line. It's a violation of the First Amendment, let's be perfectly clear." It "goes to such an extreme it's hard to imagine."
Ewert said the chief should have just called the newspaper the next day or written a letter to the editor.
Even after Oakley made initial changes to the story Meehan early Friday continued to phone and email Oakley asking for additional changes. Oakley declined, saying he stood by his story.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-11-2012, 18:19
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0311-berkeley-police-20120311,0,1385441.story
Oakley's story was posted online just before midnight Thursday. About an hour later, his wife woke him to say a police officer was at the door, Oakley said. He thought at the time that something might have happened to his sister, who lives nearby.
Sgt. Mary C. Kusmiss, who regularly works with the media, was apologetic about her visit, Oakley said. She told him the chief took issue with the story's characterization of an apology he made during the community meeting.
"My first reaction was more mortified that I got something wrong on a big story," Oakley said. "But something deeper down just started bothering me. My wife and I were both thinking, 'This is really inappropriate and unprofessional and scary.'"
How can you whine about being scared by an apologetic officer from a police chief who is obsessed about his pr, when your first reaction wasn't even fear? I would bet he's not really that much of a chicken, he just decided he was intimidated later so he could feel victimized.
This should be an amusing story about a police chief obsessed with a guy who as far as I can tell is just a blogger, but instead they went with some 1st amendment "experts" who find it "unimaginably extreme" :rolleyes:
Major Robert Dump
03-12-2012, 09:08
I may have my own police abuse post on the near future....
I have been paying a Good Ole Boy cop to house sit for me while away, 200 dollars per month. In September, I paid him 1100 dollars to go pick up some equipment in another town that I bought in an online auction. This stuff cost me 1700 and would require a flatbed. He volunteered for the job. I find out a few days ago the wrecker company auctioned this stuff off due to a non-pickup at their storage yard, so now I am out 2800
I have been tracking this guy disreetly, and it appears he is off work due to an injury and from my correspondence with him he may be abusing pills. I have not let him know I am upset about the 2800 because he is still my "housesitter" and I have 10 grand worth of new appliances. I have a terrible feeling I am going to go home and find my house empty and this guy gone.
Either way, I am taking him to court when I return. All our correspondence was done on official government email, so I have the agreement on record. At the bare minimum, I want my 1100.
Needless to say, I am concerned about confronting him when I return because this is a sparsely poulated county where there are a lot of unsolved crimes that involve likely nepotism, and the entire police department and sheriffs department are related one way or another.
Vladimir
03-12-2012, 13:31
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0311-berkeley-police-20120311,0,1385441.story
How can you whine about being scared by an apologetic officer from a police chief who is obsessed about his pr, when your first reaction wasn't even fear? I would bet he's not really that much of a chicken, he just decided he was intimidated later so he could feel victimized.
This should be an amusing story about a police chief obsessed with a guy who as far as I can tell is just a blogger, but instead they went with some 1st amendment "experts" who find it "unimaginably extreme" :rolleyes:
You missed it. For clarification: Berkeley police chief sends armed Sergeant to reporter's home
Crazed Rabbit
04-21-2012, 17:46
I'm coming to believe that a minority of cops are abusive cops and almost every other cop who isn't abusive is a bad cop who will cover up or allow the abuse.
It seems the Bogota police department likes it that way (http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-officer-may-be-fired-after-stopping-beatdown,0,2795580.story), because they are trying to fire the one police officer who tried to stop two other cops from punching a 22 year old emotionally disturbed man -who had made no violent movement- in the head while they had him pinned on the ground.
The black-and-white tape captures it all--a mother, Tara, screaming for police to stop punching her son on their front lawn. She had called to have her emotionally disturbed son Kyle taken to the hospital. Bogota police responded while waiting for the ambulance. Tasca was the sole officer on the road that day, so she called for back-up according to protocol. Ridgefield Park police then sent two officers. Tasca had just completed her state-mandated training for working with emotionally disturbed citizens.
Tasca described what we see on the videotape: "The Ridgefield Park officer automatically charges and takes him down to the ground. I was quite shocked. As he's doing that, another Ridgefield Park officer flies to the scene in his car, jumps out and starts punching him in the head."
On the tape you can hear Tara, the mother, and Kyle, her son, screaming, "Why are you punching him?" and "Stop punching me!"
The two Ridgefield Park Sergeants are never heard refuting the claims that they punched the 22 year-old man as he was waiting for an ambulance.
Even worse, Kyle was never charged, nor arrested, for any offense. Tasca says it's because he never threatened, did not have a weapon, and indeed never resisted and was not violent. Eventually Tasca was able to pry the punching Ridgefield Park officer off Kyle, as seen in a picture taken by the Kyle's mother, who also later commended Tasca in a phone call.
...
Catherine Elston is the attorney helping Tasca prepare for a week-long departmental trial. Elston is also a former police officer.
"This was excessive force used against an emotionally disturbed person," she said. "This was an unlawful tackle, this was a punching an emotionally disturbed person whose arms were pinned under his chest with his face pushed into the ground."
What happened next is so baffling to so many.
Tasca's voice began to waiver as she recounted the meeting with her superior officer:
"The next thing I know he asks me to turn over my weapon and be sent for a fitness for duty exam," she said.
Bogota PD, after hearing Tasca's story, believes she is psychologically incompetent to be a police officer, and she is being sent for testing. The Ridgefield Park Police officers seen tackling and punching an emotionally disturbed man waiting for an ambulance are never questioned. never interviewed by an Internal Affairs Investigator, and are still working the streets today.
Bogota Police chose to suspend Tasca, an 11-year veteran with numerous commendations. There are photographs from the hospital documenting the bruises on the 22-year-old's head, back, arms and wrists.
Because if you don't allow a harmless man to get pinned to the ground and punched in the head for no reason other than some psychotics with badges wanted some fun, you're psychologically incompetent to be a police officer.
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Department of Justice officials know of forensic flaws in cases that mean innocent people were in jail - so they only tell the prosecutors in the case, not the innocent convicted. The prosecutors, of course, let them rot in prison. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/convicted-defendants-left-uninformed-of-forensic-flaws-found-by-justice-dept/2012/04/16/gIQAWTcgMT_print.html)
Justice Department officials have known for years that flawed forensic work might have led to the convictions of potentially innocent people, but prosecutors failed to notify defendants or their attorneys even in many cases they knew were troubled.
Officials started reviewing the cases in the 1990s after reports that sloppy work by examiners at the FBI lab was producing unreliable forensic evidence in court trials. Instead of releasing those findings, they made them available only to the prosecutors in the affected cases, according to documents and interviews with dozens of officials.
In addition, the Justice Department reviewed only a limited number of cases and focused on the work of one scientist at the FBI lab, despite warnings that problems were far more widespread and could affect potentially thousands of cases in federal, state and local courts.
As a result, hundreds of defendants nationwide remain in prison or on parole for crimes that might merit exoneration, a retrial or a retesting of evidence using DNA because FBI hair and fiber experts may have misidentified them as suspects.
In one Texas case, Benjamin Herbert Boyle was executed in 1997, more than a year after the Justice Department began its review. Boyle would not have been eligible for the death penalty without the FBI’s flawed work, according to a prosecutor’s memo.
The case of a Maryland man serving a life sentence for a 1981 double killing is another in which federal and local law enforcement officials knew of forensic problems but never told the defendant. Attorneys for the man, John Norman Huffington, say they learned of potentially exculpatory Justice Department findings from The Washington Post. They are seeking a new trial.
Justice Department officials said that they met their legal and constitutional obligations when they learned of specific errors, that they alerted prosecutors and were not required to inform defendants directly.
The review was performed by a task force created during an inspector general’s investigation of misconduct at the FBI crime lab in the 1990s. The inquiry took nine years, ending in 2004, records show, but the findings were never made public.
In the discipline of hair and fiber analysis, only the work of FBI Special Agent Michael P. Malone was questioned. Even though Justice Department and FBI officials knew that the discipline had weaknesses and that the lab lacked protocols — and learned that examiners’ “matches” were often wrong — they kept their reviews limited to Malone.
But two cases in D.C. Superior Court show the inadequacy of the government’s response.
Santae A. Tribble, now 51, was convicted of killing a taxi driver in 1978, and Kirk L. Odom, now 49, was convicted of a sexual assault in 1981.
Key evidence at each of their trials came from separate FBI experts — not Malone — who swore that their scientific analysis proved with near certainty that Tribble’s and Odom’s hair was at the respective crime scenes.
But DNA testing this year on the hair and on other old evidence virtually eliminates Tribble as a suspect and completely clears Odom. Both men have completed their sentences and are on lifelong parole. They are now seeking exoneration in the courts in the hopes of getting on with their lives.
Neither case was part of the Justice Department task force’s review.
...
Task force documents identifying the scientific reviews of problem cases generally did not contain the names of the defendants. Piecing together case numbers and other bits of information from more than 10,000 pages of documents, The Post found more than 250 cases in which a scientific review was completed. Available records did not allow the identification of defendants in roughly 100 of those cases. Records of an unknown number of other questioned cases handled by federal prosecutors have yet to be released by the government.
The Post found that while many prosecutors made swift and full disclosures, many others did so incompletely, years late or not at all. The effort was stymied at times by lack of cooperation from some prosecutors and declining interest and resources as time went on.
Re: the bolded part - because when innocent people are in prison, you do the absolute bare minimum required by law when you have exclusive knowledge they are innocent. That's our Department of Justice, folks.
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Crazed Rabbit
04-28-2012, 01:33
On the angle of good cops being fired -
In Columbia Missouri a good cop has somehow managed to become chief. One of his actions was to fire an abusive officer (http://www.keepcolumbiafree.com/blog/support-for-chief-burton/) who pushed a non violent man into a wall so hard he fractured a vertebrae.
So of course the local cop union wants the chief fired (http://www.keepcolumbiafree.com/blog/police-labor-unions-beset-burton/).
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ICantSpellDawg
04-28-2012, 02:44
13/21 Wow, why do cops need such hardware?
The same reason that civilians need all of that hardware; To protect us from people with hardware like that. This is what the second amendment was made for.
ICantSpellDawg
04-28-2012, 04:22
Please. All that gear makes them look like wannabe soldiers expecting an IED attack in the streets. They don't need it, and they certainly shouldn't be getting it with public money. A cop who is afraid to die protecting even the lowliest scumbag of a citizen does not deserve to be a cop. Period.
You miss my point. My point is that police need police of their own. Nobody better to police them than the people. video phones, concealed carry. The threat of force deters us, it will deter them as well. They need to be better armed than us, but not by much.
A defenseless populace is at the mercy of their protectors. Be your own police.
Ironside
04-28-2012, 11:54
You miss my point. My point is that police need police of their own. Nobody better to police them than the people. video phones, concealed carry. The threat of force deters us, it will deter them as well. They need to be better armed than us, but not by much.
A defenseless populace is at the mercy of their protectors. Be your own police.
And a self policing one is at the mercy of his/her appearence.
There's a reason becoming at the mercy of your protectors vastly drops the number of murders. And I'm not sure if you realise how explosive controlling the police with the threat of violence would be.
And a self policing one is at the mercy of his/her appearence.
There's a reason becoming at the mercy of your protectors vastly drops the number of murders. And I'm not sure if you realise how explosive controlling the police with the threat of violence would be.
Many Yanks have an insane view on the relationship dynamic between authority and civilians.
Crazed Rabbit
05-20-2012, 16:45
Policing for profit in Tennessee (http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18241221/man-loses-22000-in-new-policing-for-profit-case) - Police seize $22k from a man going to buy a car because he couldn't prove it wasn't for drugs (yes, your money is presumed guilty even if you're not charged with a crime) -
Reby was driving down Interstate 40, heading west through Putnam County, when he was stopped for speeding.
A Monterey police officer wanted to know if he was carrying any large amounts of cash.
"I said, 'Around $20,000,'" he recalled. "Then, at the point, he said, 'Do you mind if I search your vehicle?' I said, 'No, I don't mind.' I certainly didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. It was my money."
That's when Officer Larry Bates confiscated the cash based on his suspicion that it was drug money.
"Why didn't you arrest him?" we asked Bates.
"Because he hadn't committed a criminal law," the officer answered.
Bates said the amount of money and the way it was packed gave him reason to be suspicious.
"The safest place to put your money if it's legitimate is in a bank account," he explained. "He stated he had two. I would put it in a bank account. It draws interest and it's safer."
"But it's not illegal to carry cash," we noted.
"No, it's not illegal to carry cash," Bates said. "Again, it's what the cash is being used for to facilitate or what it is being utilized for."
NewsChannel 5 Investigates noted, "But you had no proof that money was being used for drug trafficking, correct? No proof?"
"And he couldn't prove it was legitimate," Bates insisted.
It gets worse in the rest of the article.
But it gets truly Kafkaesque in Brown County, Wisconsin (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/20/asset-forfeiture-wisconsin-bail-confiscated_n_1522328.html):
When the Brown County, Wis., Drug Task Force arrested her son Joel last February, Beverly Greer started piecing together his bail.
She used part of her disability payment and her tax return. Joel Greer's wife also chipped in, as did his brother and two sisters. On Feb. 29, a judge set Greer's bail at $7,500, and his mother called the Brown County jail to see where and how she could get him out. "The police specifically told us to bring cash," Greer says. "Not a cashier's check or a credit card. They said cash."
So Greer and her family visited a series of ATMs, and on March 1, she brought the money to the jail, thinking she'd be taking Joel Greer home. But she left without her money, or her son.
Instead jail officials called in the same Drug Task Force that arrested Greer. A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash, and about a half-hour later, Beverly Greer said, a police officer told her the dog had alerted to the presence of narcotics on the bills -- and that the police department would be confiscating the bail money.
...
It took four months for Beverly Greer to get her family's money back, and then only after attorney Andy Williams agreed to take their case. "The family produced the ATM receipts proving that had recently withdrawn the money," Williams says. "Beverly Greer had documentation for her disability check and her tax return. Even then, the police tried to keep their money."
Wisconsin is one of four states (along with Illinois, Kentucky, and Oregon) that prohibits bail bondsmen. So bail must be paid either in cash, with a registered check, cashier's check or credit card. In fact, Donna Kuchler, a Wisconsin criminal defense attorney based in Waukesha, said police aren't allowed to insist on cash.
"I would be suspicious of why they would do that," Kuchler says. "I had a case last year in Fond du Lac County where they tried to say my client could only pay in cash. My guess is that they probably intended to do the same thing that happened here. We brought a cashier's check anyway, and they knew they had to accept it."
...
Stephen Downing, a retired narcotics cop who served as assistant police chief in Los Angeles, says it isn't surprising that a drug dog would alert to a pile of cash, since it usually has traces of drugs.
"I'd call these cases direct theft. They're hijackings," says Downing, who is now a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, an organization of former police and prosecutors who advocate ending the drug war.
Downing says he recently consulted a medical marijuana activist in California who was told to bring his bail money in cash, despite the fact that state law allows payment with a cashier's check, a registered check or a credit card. "It makes me wonder if this seizing of bail is a new idea getting shopped around in law enforcement circles."
I have to wonder if these cops still even have a veneer of thinking they're doing good work, or if they have abandoned that too.
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I wouldn't mind to be abused by this powergirl, including handcuffs.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/politiemeisjehelegrotegun.html
Vladimir
05-25-2012, 17:41
Wow! What movie set was that?
Wow! What movie set was that?
No movie set teh chick is real, hottest police officer evar. I am considering a life of crime just to get caught
Why so serious, gawd she is hot
Crazed Rabbit
05-25-2012, 23:11
I wouldn't mind to be abused by this powergirl, including handcuffs.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/politiemeisjehelegrotegun.html
Fragony, would you mind not posting unrelated junk?
CR
Fragony, would you mind not posting unrelated junk?
CR
I thoughtbit was highly relevant
johnhughthom
05-28-2012, 19:06
Sooo, how should this police officer have handled this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_t1SQ7OSk
Sooo, how should this police officer have handled this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_t1SQ7OSk
Oh dear
Greyblades
05-28-2012, 19:35
He sounds like a teenager.
Major Robert Dump
05-28-2012, 22:08
Sooo, how should this police officer have handled this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_t1SQ7OSk
He stands there and takes it like a man. He is a professional. He thinks about what he says before he says it, and he keeps his patience. Even if everything the guy with the camera said was crap (and most of it was), his job is to stand there and take it.
Just out of curiousity, what would you advocate?
johnhughthom
05-28-2012, 22:12
Just out of curiousity, what would you advocate?
Exactly what you said, I think the police officer was a fine example of his profession. Just wanted to put another image of the police in the thread, how many of us could honestly say they would put up with someone like that in such a manner?
Major Robert Dump
05-29-2012, 03:46
That dude with the camera was a total douche, and looking at his other videos he has all this stuff scripted out with the intent of trying to fluster people and make them overreact. For the most part, the cop did a fine job but at one point he stumbled with that whole "I will leave you to it, but if there are anymore problems I will come back and take your details"... this made me cringe, as it is scripted police talk filler fluff, and I knew the camera man was going to capitalize on it because of the "anymore problems" thing."
Anyway, I thought he did quite well, expecially for a young cop.
InsaneApache
05-29-2012, 10:51
The line, "You're dressed as though you're about invade Poland" made me chuckle. I've often remarked how the British Bobby looks like an extra from the Death Star these days. They wern't lying when they said New Labour, New Britain were they?
Bastards.
Vladimir
05-29-2012, 13:02
Sooo, how should this police officer have handled this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_t1SQ7OSk
Hate these wanna-be reporters. How juvenile.
The line, "You're dressed as though you're about invade Poland" made me chuckle. I've often remarked how the British Bobby looks like an extra from the Death Star these days. They wern't lying when they said New Labour, New Britain were they?
Bastards.
I didn't get that far. So he basically Godwined himself?
Major Robert Dump
05-29-2012, 15:36
The guy with the camera was completely unreasonable. It was verbal amuse at it's worst, and then at the end he tries to act all luvey duvey and hug the cop for "being a sport" after basically calling the guy someone who protects war criminals. I don't like seeing people abused, unless they deserved it, and this guy just seemed like Joe Beat Cop keeping the peace. I also wanted to punch the short little brown guy who was rooting for the "reporter"
Vladimir
05-29-2012, 15:59
The guy with the camera was completely unreasonable. It was verbal amuse at it's worst, and then at the end he tries to act all luvey duvey and hug the cop for "being a sport" after basically calling the guy someone who protects war criminals. I don't like seeing people abused, unless they deserved it, and this guy just seemed like Joe Beat Cop keeping the peace. I also wanted to punch the short little brown guy who was rooting for the "reporter"
You heard it here. MRD hates brown people.
Major Robert Dump
05-29-2012, 16:49
So I have been told. And in other news, there are no rapes in Africa.
Major Robert Dump
09-25-2012, 23:09
CR you are dropping the ball
Houston police officer shoots wheelchair bound amputee to death
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/19613140/officer-shoots-kills-double-amputee-in-wheelchair#ixzz27FC2FIK7
This man does not deserve to be a police officer. There is simply no excuse for this. His defense, and the PD statements, are some of the most childish, idiotic things I have ever heard. Apparently having something mysterious in your hand is justification for being shot.
From all indications, his previous fatal shooting was totally justifed. This one, however, is just absurd
Crazed Rabbit
09-26-2012, 05:54
It's to depressing to keep up with this.
Anyway, cops in Virginia killed an 83 year old woman who had called police to report someone breaking into her home. (http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-state-police-investigate-officer-involved-shooting-in-altavista-wednesday-night-20120920,0,4084378.story?page=2)
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Greyblades
09-26-2012, 11:41
Family members tell WDBJ7 that Delma Towler called police because she thought someone was breaking into her home on 10th Street.
Relatives say the 83-year-old was wandering behind her house. WDBJ7 has learned Delma may have fired a gunshot through her back door.
She then left her house and tried to walk through her backyard to the home of her sister who, lives two doors away.
Delma got all the way to her sister's back porch and that's when family members say she was shot by a police officer.
Granny was packing and got shot, wouldn't be surprised if the police office saw her carrying a gun in the area where the tresspasser was reported lurking and didnt identify her as the caller.
Major Robert Dump
09-26-2012, 12:25
Granny was packing and got shot, wouldn't be surprised if the police office saw her carrying a gun in the area where the tresspasser was reported lurking and didnt identify her as the caller.
I'm sure thats what happened. He probably called out to her, and she turned around with the gun. However, I find it odd that he did not know the caller was an old lady. An old lady breaking bruglar is pretty rare...
I am also curious how there was enough light outside for him to see that se was carrying a gun, but not enough light to see that she was an old lady. Old people have a certain posture, a certain lack of pep in their step, and old ladies have big hair.
This guy just wanted to shoot something that night.
Vladimir
09-26-2012, 12:50
Wait, Rabbit's posting in this thread again? Let me introduce you to something I found recently that will be quite helpful:
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I didn't get that far. So he basically Godwined himself?
No it's a line from the Departed.
Papewaio
10-17-2012, 23:51
UK police in a town taser a man carrying a samurai sword after he refused to drop his weapon.
They tasered him safetly from behind
Perp was a 61 year old man
The samurai sword turned out to be his walking stick
a white walking stick
The perp was a 61 year old blind man, with his white cane slowly walking to the pub. Constables asked him to drop his weapon. He of course didn't think they were talking to him, so they shot him in the back
http://m.smh.com.au/world/blind-man-tasered-as-police-mistake-white-stick-for-samurai-sword-20121018-27s9j.html
Greyblades
10-18-2012, 00:47
Um...does a police cock-up count as police abuse?
Crazed Rabbit
10-18-2012, 06:10
The state of relations between the NYPD and minorities: (http://www.thenation.com/article/170413/stopped-and-frisked-being-fking-mutt-video)
[NOTE: Language, video and audio in the link]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7rWtDMPaRD8#!
On June 3, 2011, three plainclothes New York City Police officers stopped a Harlem teenager named Alvin and two of the officers questioned and frisked him while the third remained in their unmarked car. Alvin secretly captured the interaction on his cell phone, and the resulting audio is one of the only known recordings of stop-and-frisk in action.
In the course of the two-minute recording, the officers give no legally valid reason for the stop, use racially charged language and threaten Alvin with violence. Early in the stop, one of the officers asks, “You want me to smack you?” When Alvin asks why he is being threatened with arrest, the other officer responds, “For being a :daisy: mutt.” Later in the stop, while holding Alvin’s arm behind his back, the first officer says, “Dude, I’m gonna break your :daisy:’ arm, then I’m gonna punch you in the :daisy:’ face.”
“He grabbed me by my bookbag and he started pushing me down. So I’m going backwards like down the hill and he just kept pushing me, pushing me, it looked like he we was going to hit me,” Alvin recounts. “I felt like they was trying to make me resist or fight back.”
Alvin’s treatment at the hands of the officers may be disturbing but it is not uncommon. According to their own stop-and-frisk data, the NYPD stops more than 1,800 New Yorkers a day. A New York Times analysis recently determined that more than 20 percent of those stops involve the use of force. And these are only the numbers that the Department records. Anecdotal evidence suggests both figures are much higher.
Cops in Billings, Montana (http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-billings-home/article_71d1f226-1474-11e2-b4b4-0019bb2963f4.html)are completely surprised when they drop a flashbang grenade through a window as they raid a house and it ends up hurting someone - a 12 year old girl sleeping in the room;
BILLINGS A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning.
"She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms," said the girl's mother, Jackie Fasching. "She's got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes."
Medical staff at the scene tended to the girl afterward and then her mother drove her to the hospital, where she was treated and released later that day.
A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side.
...
However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it. He dropped it to move onto a new device, St. John said. The grenade fell to the floor and went off near the girl.
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."
On Thursday, Fasching took her daughter back to the hospital to have her wounds treated.
She questioned why police would take such actions with children in the home and why it needed a SWAT team.
"A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."
She and her two daughters and her husband were home at the time of the raid. She said her husband, who suffers from congenital heart disease and liver failure, told officers he would open the front door as the raid began and was opening it as they knocked it down.
When the grenade went off in the room, it left a large bowl-shaped dent in the wall and "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.
"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."
So they "did their homework", but did it extremely poorly, can't wait for someone to answer the door (what is he going to do, flush a meth lab down the toilet?), and decide to throw a grenade into a room without knowing who is in their, and they decide to throw a grenade INTO WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A METH LAB.
Unarmed Man Fatally Shot by Police on Queens Highway (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/man-fatally-shot-by-police-in-queens/)
A police officer fatally shot an unarmed 22-year-old man early Thursday morning during a traffic stop on the side of a highway in Queens, the police said.
...
Two officers in the front police vehicle — a sergeant and a detective — approached the car, a Honda. The detective was on the passenger side, where the window was open, the police said. Ms. Deferrari, who was seated there, later told the police that she had heard the officers tell those inside the car to show their hands.
The police said there were reports of movement inside the car but they would not elaborate.
Man turns himself in to cops for small time pot-related charge, tells corrections officers about his severe allergies and need for medicine, they ignore him and he's dead by morning. (http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/10/14/2728440/man-busted-for-pot-dies-in-snohomish.html)
You stay classy, NYPD: (http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=47531)
Graphic video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bxmXMTkwo&feature=player_embedded
On Monday evening, October 8, 2012, police were called about a man who was sleeping in the lounge of the Aliya Institute on East New York Ave. The caller may have mistakenly believed that the homeless man, Ehud H. Halevi, was loitering on the center’s property without permission.
Aliya (Alternative Learning Institute for Young Adults) is a synagogue and outreach center for troubled youth in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn.
Two officers from the 71st precinct, one male and one female, arrived and woke the man. Confused as to why he was being accosted by police, the man refused the officers’ attempts to escort him outside, insisting that he had permission to be there and asking that they allow him to prove it.
His pleas fell on deaf ears, and they proceeded to place him under arrest.
When he resisted arrest, the male officer flew into a rage and began to beat the defenseless man. As can be seen in the video below, the officer assumed a boxing stance and then lurched towards his victim, pummeling him from all sides.
Over the next couple of minutes the man is also pepper-sprayed and beaten with a truncheon by the female officer, all while posing no threat to the officers’ well-being whatsoever.
After a good two minutes of sadistic thrashing, the officers are joined by a squadron of their peers, and successfully put him in handcuffs and under arrest.
A source confirmed with CrownHeights.info that the man had full permission to be there, and had been living there for a month without any trouble. It is unknown who called the police or why.
Memo suggests Utah trooper Steed was falsifying arrest reports (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55050948-78/steed-nixon-memo-uhp.html.csp?page=1)
A supervisor warned in 2010 that Utah Highway Patrol Cpl. Lisa Steed, who is under investigation by her own agency, was frequently arresting people for driving under the influence of drugs who had no drugs in their systems.
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The memo is "extraordinary," said Joseph Jardine, a Salt Lake City defense attorney who earlier this year successfully petitioned a judge to gain access to Steed’s discipline record. Jardine said the memo was not included in the records he viewed. The Salt Lake Tribune showed Jardine and Skordas the memo Tuesday.
Jardine said the memo shows the UHP hid Steed’s problems from defense lawyers. Legal precedent requires prosecutors also to have been aware of the memo and disclose it to defendants, Jardine said.
"That’s crazy," Jardine said of withholding the memo. "That’s exactly contrary to what the law requires them to do."
Milwaukee Cop charged with 14 felonies, gets bail for $0: (http://www.copblock.org/22146/mpd-cop-charged-w14-felonies-released-on-0-bail/)
As I wrote about earlier this week, “Officer” Michael Vagnini of Milwaukee Police Department was charged with 25 counts including 14 Felonies for allegedly illegally strip searching and sodomizing multiple victims. He was in court 10-9-12 for his initial appearance.
Philly: Police union plans party for cop fired after punching woman (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news/local/&id=173832411&viewAll=y#more)
The incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3Fn0mrdmXZI
CR
Major Robert Dump
10-18-2012, 12:59
Um...does a police cock-up count as police abuse?
Bah, never mind
Greyblades
10-18-2012, 15:04
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I generally dont consider such acts of stupidity abuse by default, there has to be malice behind it, and that buisness with the walking stick mistaken for a samurai sword seems like just a really stupid mistake.
InsaneApache
10-18-2012, 15:50
Should have gone to Specsavers.
Major Robert Dump
10-18-2012, 23:16
This is for all the fan bois who don't think police tactics and take downs are too rough:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20121014_12_0_AnOkla423210
Although much more detailed articles were published in the state newspapers and I read them when they broke online, all I can seem to find right now are the three paragraph ones. Anyway, they initially said he died from a takedown
Vladimir
10-22-2012, 17:38
Um...does a police cock-up count as police abuse?
I think CR answered your question.
This is for all the fan bois who don't think police tactics and take downs are too rough:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20121014_12_0_AnOkla423210
Although much more detailed articles were published in the state newspapers and I read them when they broke online, all I can seem to find right now are the three paragraph ones. Anyway, they initially said he died from a takedown
Details...
Major Robert Dump
10-22-2012, 19:00
I think CR answered your question.
Details...
About the incident:
http://newsok.com/police-cadet-died-from-blunt-force-head-trauma-medical-examiner-reports/article/3720411
From now on they get headgear.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-police-institute-changes-in-defense-training-after-recruits-death/article/3719650
So, from now on I will carry a padded helmet on me in case I have encounters with police. I will keep it in my fanny pack with my auto-inflate life vest and MAGNUM condoms
Major Robert Dump
10-22-2012, 19:02
This isn't really abuse, I found it in the same newspaper, but I think it's funny so I will put it here.
Sheriffs and candidates wiht bankruptcy issues, looking to take over departments with million dollar budgets who make a substantial amount of their budget funds through seizures:
http://newsok.com/several-oklahoma-sheriff-candidates-have-filed-for-bankruptcy/article/3721185
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-supreme-court-rejects-plea-to-prohibit-taping-of-police-20121126,0,686331.story?track=rss
Finally.
Major Robert Dump
12-07-2012, 21:55
Gets good at about 1:15
This guy needs to lay off the steroids.
Also, at the end he tells the kid to hand over the phone recorder. I have concluded that if a cop ever tries to take my recorder, I will treat it like a mugging/theft, and I will respond with appropriate force. These guys are nothing but thugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPAlCQ3S0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPAlCQ3S0g
Major Robert Dump
12-09-2012, 14:43
Shooting a choked and restrained dog in the head.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF20qqIN7zs
Major Robert Dump
12-09-2012, 14:47
Heroic cops tase and then shoot a chihuaha LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfztqLMjJw
Major Robert Dump
12-09-2012, 14:51
Cops shoot dog 33 times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnpZqIjzAZc
InsaneApache
12-09-2012, 16:27
Shooting a choked and restrained dog in the head.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF20qqIN7zs
WTF! That dog was frightened not aggressive. I'd be bloody frightened if a copper put a noose around my neck! The guy should be put in front of a magistrate. Pillock.
Major Robert Dump
12-09-2012, 22:15
YOU CANNOT JUDGE THAT COP YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE IN THE **** HE WAS PTSDing AND THERE WERE MORE DOGS COMING OVER THE HILL DONT JUDGE DONT JUDGE
Papewaio
12-09-2012, 22:56
If a dog bites and tastes blood it generally will get promptly put down. However it's normally done after a court order. I wasn't aware that cops were judge, jury and executioner.
InsaneApache
12-09-2012, 23:37
I wasn't aware that cops were judge, jury and executioner.
Welcome to reality. USA Style.
As an aside: Property rights?
http://kotaku.com/5968097/japanese-cop-arrested-for-illegally-filming-a-magical-girl-anime
While it seems like Japanese police are arresting people for breaking the country's copyright law, now one of their own has been busted... for breaking the country's copyright law.
A 38 year-old police sergeant in Fukushima has been charged after allegedly using his digital camera to illegally capture the latest feature film version of anime Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. This apparently happened three times this summer.
A cinema staffer supposedly saw him filming this August, reports Sponichi.
When asked why he did this, the officer replied, "I filmed it for my personal viewing." As punishment, not only will his salary be reduced by a tenth for a month, but he'll also be known as the guy who illegally filmed a magical girl cartoon.
For side-info:
If you are caught in Japan doing this, you get two years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines. He only got a slight paycut even though he attempted to do this one three separate occasions.
Major Robert Dump
12-14-2012, 12:37
This dude is a real class act:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83mfdPZcko
due to similar events, as seen in videos below where people filed complaints, this guy was ultimately fired. I find his themeatic "I'll sleep well tonight" comments disturbing. If it were not for dash cams, which some of the country still does not have, this douche would still be walking the beat. It really does make you wonder how many times this guy escalated stuff resulting in someones wrongful arrest or whooping. I am assuming he never shot anyone or the new story would have said so. He's probably a cop in Jersey right about now
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x638339306/Daniel-Harless-fired-from-Canton-police-force
This is mind bogglingly stupid...
DNR Agents conduct armed raid to kill a baby deer (http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/item/0/-/13d8x2mz/-/index.html)
So, a concerned citizen takes a fawn to a no-kill animal shelter after it is abandoned by its mother. Unable to care for a wild animal (due to permits), they make plans to transfer it to a different shelter. Next, the DNR gets a couple anonymous calls about a fawn being seen at a no-kill animal shelter....
What would be an appropriate response? Maybe send an agent over to knock on the door and ask about it? Nah...
Instead, let's conduct aerial surveillance to confirm what the shelter would have readily admitted to. Then send armed agents to round up everyone there, locate the deer... and kill it.
That's a much better use of resources, huh?
The best part is their response to a reporter when asked why they wasted all those resources instead of trying to make a phone call:
"If a sheriff's department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don't call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up," Niemeyer said,
Yep. Nursing a fawn back to health is no different than running a crack house. The exact same thing. :yes:
Edit:
While I'm at it, here's a story about a man who saved the life of a bald eagle.... and faces possible jail time (http://freebeacon.com/man-rescues-bald-eagle-could-face-jail-time/) for it.
TheLastDays
08-01-2013, 17:16
I like this little blurb at the end of the eagle-article:
Eagles and other raptors have faced difficult times under the Obama administration, as clean-energy subsidies fuel wind turbines that can decapitate and injure the birds.
:inquisitive:
Fisherking
08-01-2013, 18:03
Nothing quite like criminalizing acts of kindness.
TheLastDays
08-01-2013, 18:17
Yes but it does show the spirit in which this newspage operates and makes me think twice about taking anything they say 1:1.
Are there other sources for these stories?
The article about the fawn has no sources listed at least I don't see any.
The article on the eagle links to Yahoo, but guess what: Page Not Found.
Yes it's an article from June and could be off Yahoo by now, still, how do I verify this "news"? Don't get me wrong, if these stories are true they do reveal terrible instances but I only have two websites with pretty clear "agendas"* promoting them...
*also the "agendas" of their visitors...
I like this little blurb from the comments:
Today deer, tomorrow at your door to take your guns away. Its coming, just keep voting dem liberals
...
Yes it's an article from June and could be off Yahoo by now, still, how do I verify this "news"? Don't get me wrong, if these stories are true they do reveal terrible instances but I only have two websites with pretty clear "agendas"* promoting them...
Good point.
I like this little blurb at the end of the eagle-article:
:inquisitive:I don't want to drag the thread off-topic, but that is factually accurate. In this case, there is nothing partisan about the truth.
From LiveScience (http://www.livescience.com/31995-how-do-wind-turbines-kill-birds.html):
Wind turbines kill more than 573,000 birds each year in the United States, according to The Associated Press, including federally protected species like bald eagles and golden eagles.
Even bats are falling victim to wind-turbine blades: The Pennsylvania Game Commission estimates that more than 10,000 bats are killed in the state each year by wind turbines, the Wall Street Journal reports.
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The article about the fawn has no sources listed at least I don't see any.
The article on the eagle links to Yahoo, but guess what: Page Not Found.WISN is a primary source. They're a local news station, they covered the local story. Watch the video in the article for their news cast on it. Other articles would be largely based on their reporting.
Ironside
08-01-2013, 18:45
I like this little blurb at the end of the eagle-article:
:inquisitive:
You mean the obvious bias of putting it up in the article or the fact that birds do get killed by windturbines?
For the stupidness. Sounds like really big cases of "letter, not the spirit of the law".
Edit: Xiahou, it's very possible to be partisan while still telling only truths. It depends of context and what facts you decides to give. And in this case it's an out of topic blurb with the intention to link Obama to it (and therefore the whole article by association).
TheLastDays
08-01-2013, 18:58
I understand the fact that birds get killed by windturbines but the statement is a clear "sidekick" against the move towards clean energies which is in general a good thing imo
Major Robert Dump
08-02-2013, 12:19
No one updates this thread any more because no one has the time, considering how often cops beat and murder people unnecessarily these days. There are like 3 or 4 new stories a week. And still rarely any accountability.
Try this one on then. The shooting on one Sammy Yatim, 18 year old Syrian immigrant. Shot 9+ times while brandishing a knife on a Toronto street car.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/08/01/toronto-sammy-yatim-shooting-aftermath-video.html
The officer, Const. James Forcillo, has been suspended with pay* pending an ivestigation of the shooting by Ontario's SIU (http://www.siu.on.ca/en/index.php), a provincial level civilian agency created to investigate just such a situation. Which only lays charges in 3% of cases. And is staffed mostly with ex cops. And the victims are mostly the mentally ill on a violent break, or someone in a very bad mental place.
*which is standard procedure according to the Police Protective Association (how's that for a union name).
HopAlongBunny
08-02-2013, 23:53
Granted, we need to get the full story on this but:
Sammy was alone on the street car when gunned down;
Yes he had a knife out, but no one was close;
Have to see if this goes the same way as the RCMP incident :(
This is mind bogglingly stupid...
DNR Agents conduct armed raid to kill a baby deer (http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/item/0/-/13d8x2mz/-/index.html)
So, a concerned citizen takes a fawn to a no-kill animal shelter after it is abandoned by its mother. Unable to care for a wild animal (due to permits), they make plans to transfer it to a different shelter. Next, the DNR gets a couple anonymous calls about a fawn being seen at a no-kill animal shelter....
What would be an appropriate response? Maybe send an agent over to knock on the door and ask about it? Nah...
Instead, let's conduct aerial surveillance to confirm what the shelter would have readily admitted to. Then send armed agents to round up everyone there, locate the deer... and kill it.
That's a much better use of resources, huh?
The best part is their response to a reporter when asked why they wasted all those resources instead of trying to make a phone call:
Yep. Nursing a fawn back to health is no different than running a crack house. The exact same thing. :yes:
So now it's official (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/agents-raid-animal-shelter-kill-deer-named-giggles.html). The WI DNR is staffed with Grade "A" retards.
Major Robert Dump
08-03-2013, 04:40
I don't see how this surprises any one. All breaches of the law, in any form, can result in the use of deadly force in the eyes of our overseers. Plus, the departments need to use up all that money so they can justify their budgets for the following year.
Granted, we need to get the full story on this but:
Sammy was alone on the street car when gunned down;
Yes he had a knife out, but no one was close;
Have to see if this goes the same way as the RCMP incident :(
Some witness's have said he was trying to make people stay on the street car. We'll see. Also there were people around, the cops. He was less than 21 feet from them. Meaning he was an imminent threat to them.
Fisherking
08-08-2013, 07:37
More from FL. Why is it police reports are always different from their victims? I guess people always lie about cops, huh?
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013308070025
some more links
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/25/cops-tell-mom-her-son-was-murdered-kill
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/15/new-york-city-pays-300k-after-cops-beat
Try this one on then. The shooting on one Sammy Yatim, 18 year old Syrian immigrant. Shot 9+ times while brandishing a knife on a Toronto street car.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/08/01/toronto-sammy-yatim-shooting-aftermath-video.html
The officer, Const. James Forcillo, has been suspended with pay* pending an ivestigation of the shooting by Ontario's SIU (http://www.siu.on.ca/en/index.php), a provincial level civilian agency created to investigate just such a situation. Which only lays charges in 3% of cases. And is staffed mostly with ex cops. And the victims are mostly the mentally ill on a violent break, or someone in a very bad mental place.
*which is standard procedure according to the Police Protective Association (how's that for a union name).
So an update on this. The cop who shot the kid has been charged with second degree murder.
Toronto const James Forcillo charged shooting death Sammy (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-const-james-forcillo-charged-shooting-death-sammy-142510079.html)
Toronto const James Forcillo charged shooting death Sammy
"Officers also deployed a Taser after the shooting."
Classic.
Fisherking
01-19-2014, 11:34
Kelly Thomas beating death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDuQtKhJv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDuQtKhJv4
The cops were acquitted of murder so they walked.
Then there is this:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/los-angeles-deputies-arrested/
304 people killed by police last year. 12 already this month. (US)
Major Robert Dump
01-20-2014, 11:16
One incident in the states burns through more bullets than all the bullets used by the entire German police IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.
One incident in the states burns through more bullets than all the bullets used by the entire German police IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.
Oh really? I don't think so.
Oh no, wait... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?146574-Balance-between-neutered-citizens-and-overly-violent-citizens&p=2053570913&viewfull=1#post2053570913)
(It's about the links in the linked post for the tl;dr crowd)
Fisherking
03-26-2014, 18:45
I saw a fuller version of the film.
When it started something was said about we can legally kill you.
They guy picks up his bag and starts toward them, as ordered, and they throw a flash-bang. Then send the dog. The man pulls a knife and turns away. They then shoot him multiple times and turn the dog on him while he is on the ground.
They then handcuff the corps and shoot him some more.
They were all in bulletproof vests and kitted out like SF Operators.
Knives or not, I don’t see any justification for what they did. The man was never a real threat, and why do you have a SWAT team and K-9 for illegal camping?
Fisherking
03-26-2014, 19:20
Unfortunately many were soldiers. Some even SF Operators.
Also their training is much too aggressive.
There is no more to Serve and Protect.
It is a military op with an ROE the military would be grateful for and then some. Soldiers use more restraint than these people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR7MnqYYF2g
edit: But soldiers take prisoners, these people don’t seem to.
ICantSpellDawg
03-27-2014, 13:32
The United States is a disgrace to its people. Our police are criminals and the law is used as a cudgel against the law abiding. This is what we've become because of our acceptance of the wolves ruling the sheep.
Seamus Fermanagh
09-26-2014, 01:05
I am not normally one to consider police trigger happy, but this example (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/)leaves me wondering.
Yes the fellow moves quickly to go for his license and the somewhat abrupt movement could have been misconstrued....but there was no warning or call to stop, just shots.
Of the three rounds, only one hits (hip and superficial) but I consider the action a bit abrupt. The officer was fired quickly thereafter and was just recently brought up on charges of aggravated battery.
Word to readers: Avoid any sudden movements in the presence of an officer....some have overly short fuses.
I also wish the cops were better shots.
Oh goodness.
My word to readers: Avoid policemen in the USA like the plague, and if you cannot avoid them, lay down on the ground and beg them to handcuff you. You may be 50% safer once handcuffed but no guarantees.
Also don't enter anyone's property unless you have a death wish, try to avoid government property as well. In an ideal case, avoid any kind of US property and stay in Mexico, it's much safer there.
Thought I would be beaten to this one. Not really 'Police Abuses' but a very unfortunate set of circumstances and how the law handles the matter.
John Crawford III shooting. (http://xeniagazette.com/news/home_top/50754234/Grand-jury-returns-no-indictment-for-Wal-Mart-shooting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
Basically, the victim picks up a BB gun laying around and starts waving it around whilst he is on the phone for whatever reason.
Someone in the store calls the cops saying that this person is waving a gun around and threatening customers.
Police come in to see him.
Shoot.
AntiDamascus
09-26-2014, 15:17
I am not normally one to consider police trigger happy, but this example (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/)leaves me wondering.
Yes the fellow moves quickly to go for his license and the somewhat abrupt movement could have been misconstrued....but there was no warning or call to stop, just shots.
Of the three rounds, only one hits (hip and superficial) but I consider the action a bit abrupt. The officer was fired quickly thereafter and was just recently brought up on charges of aggravated battery.
Word to readers: Avoid any sudden movements in the presence of an officer....some have overly short fuses.
I also wish the cops were better shots.
"Get your license! Oh crap, he's reaching for something! Shoot!"
Fisherking
09-26-2014, 15:30
Thought I would be beaten to this one. Not really 'Police Abuses' but a very unfortunate set of circumstances and how the law handles the matter.
John Crawford III shooting. (http://xeniagazette.com/news/home_top/50754234/Grand-jury-returns-no-indictment-for-Wal-Mart-shooting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
Basically, the victim picks up a BB gun laying around and starts waving it around whilst he is on the phone for whatever reason.
Someone in the store calls the cops saying that this person is waving a gun around and threatening customers.
Police come in to see him.
Shoot.
The 911 caller said that he was pointing the gun at people and that he was loading it in the store.
Crawford was SWATed by the caller. He should be charged with two counts accessory to murder and the cop charged with murder of Crawford and the woman who died of a heart attack as a result of the shooting.
The video was 50 day before becoming public. It clearly shows that Crawford was just shot on sight because of the information provided by the 911 caller and a cop too quick on the trigger.
AntiDamascus
09-26-2014, 15:34
Yea I thought that guy was getting excited and saw what he wanted to see. His call got that guy killed.
The 911 caller said that he was pointing the gun at people and that he was loading it in the store.
Crawford was SWATed by the caller. He should be charged with two counts accessory to murder and the cop charged with murder of Crawford and the woman who died of a heart attack as a result of the shooting.
The video was 50 day before becoming public. It clearly shows that Crawford was just shot on sight because of the information provided by the 911 caller and a cop too quick on the trigger.
Indeed, they should have safely evacuated as many people as they should in a discreet manner, then call for Crawford to drop the weapon. This would have minimised any harm to the woman who died due to the panic and stress, and allow Crawford the time required to respond to the request.
Walmart is to blame for allowing the air-rifle to be on display like that, unlike everywhere else which has them locked/require-staff assistance, it should have been kept in the box.
Crawford is guilty of not thinking straight whilst being distracted on the phone, and not have been waving the air-rifle around like it was.
The person on the phone should have been more responsible in what they reported to the police, or they should have contacted the stores security instead for them to get the police involved if required.
There were too many circumstances of what 'went wrong' and it resulted in their deaths. It is tragic, hence why I posted it in here.
ICantSpellDawg
09-29-2014, 13:28
Oh goodness.
My word to readers: Avoid policemen in the USA like the plague, and if you cannot avoid them, lay down on the ground and beg them to handcuff you. You may be 50% safer once handcuffed but no guarantees.
Also don't enter anyone's property unless you have a death wish, try to avoid government property as well. In an ideal case, avoid any kind of US property and stay in Mexico, it's much safer there.
Check out the homicide rate in Mexico
Check out the homicide rate in Mexico
Not as bad as Canada, which is the only other option.
ICantSpellDawg
09-29-2014, 23:41
I'd much rather live in Canada. Mexico is a cesspool. There is a reason people move TO Canada and out of Mexico as fast as possible.
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