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Old_King_Coal
07-13-2009, 22:25
I will be featuring a number of units that have been completed in Strategos in this thread

as a starter check out these youtube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O18fB1PE_bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2n6l7ir0kE

Special thanks to Foot for allowing us to use Eb models.
And credit goes to King Louise Assurbanipal for hs models from Hannibal's Army mod and Hoplites v2

Old_King_Coal
07-14-2009, 17:18
hese are a number of syracusian units available to the faction of syracuse:
https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/673/hoplitai.jpg
The Syracusian hoplite, will form the backbone of the Syracusian phalanx. They are well armoured, robust and effective.

The symbol on the shield is the triskelion that is still in use on the flag of Syracuse

https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5784/heavycavalry.jpg
the syracusian Hippeis are unique for the Greek cavalry because they were much more potent than the cavalry of many other cities. During the Athenian Expedition to Sicily the Syracusian cavalry were vital in keeping Syracuse independant.

https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4135/epilektoi.jpg
Syracusian Epilektoi hoplites are also quite potent in comparison to the elites of other cities. The reason for this was that Syracuse was a wealthy city, and many of it's citizens also had a lot of wealth, meaning that they were able to afford excellent armor and weapons

their shield represents a lightingbolt characteristic of the Greek god Zeus

https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7199/epibatai.jpg
Syracusian Epibatai (marines) are good soldiers effective on both land and sea. Since many battles in the Classical world occur near water shipboard marines are able to land and support the hoplite phalanx on the field.


https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/65/alliedhoplitai.jpg

Sicilian Hoplites are available to recruit in all the cities in Sicily. Whereas Syracusian hoplites are available only in Syracuse itself Sicilian hoplites are available to all factions when they take any sicilian city.

Old_King_Coal
07-15-2009, 12:06
For team members (and any others who wish to try it) the latest version of Strategos (symbols not implemented I would appreciate it if somebody could get them working I tried and failed)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VLN8OCNJ

Old_King_Coal
07-18-2009, 16:29
Some of the Argive units:

The generic Hoplitai:
https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1911/hoplitesargive.jpg

Sturdy soldiers but not at the level of the epilektoi of other polis, easlily able to defeat the enemy levies or cavalry, provided they aren't out-flanked!

relatively expensive hoplites, good morale

Epilektoi hoplitai
https://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4135/epilektoi.jpg

After a major defeat by Sparta in which Argos lost almost all it's military strength (Argive casualties were about 6000) the Argive Strategoi decided that they had to adapt to survive. They liberated a number of slaves to fight, but also had a number of social elites and aristocrats to form up the epiletoi. These men having being developed to fight the Spartans are an especially strong version of the epilektoi hoplitai.

Very expensive elite hoplites, very strong morale

Liberated Hoplitai
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3778/liberatedhoplites.jpg

The major defeat by Sparta (aforementioned) demonstrted effectively that the current Argive phalanx and indeed the polis of Argos would soon fall if it didn't adapt. They created an elite, the epilekoi, but also liberated a number of slaves (or gymnesioi as the Argives called them). These 'liberated hoplites' were given some simple and cheap armor, rudimentary training and then forced onto the battlefield in large numbers. They will fight, but are less willing to do it than your other hoplites.

inexpensive, poorly-trained, weak morale

Old_King_Coal
07-21-2009, 03:56
These are the current units available to the Eastern Faction of Lydia:

Phrygian Skirmishers:
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6545/phrygianskirmishers.jpg

Light skirmishers, able, but not effective agains heavily armoured infantry

inexpensive, weak morale

Pathlagonian Cavalry:
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6316/pathlagoniancavalry.jpg

Light cavalry carrying a number of javelins to harass the enemy from range and then close in with a xyston lance to break or rout enemy formations

relatively inexpensive, good morale
Lydian Heavy cavalry:
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/476/noblecavalry.jpg

Excellent heavy cavalry capable of punchin through formations of infantry or driving off enemy cavalry. Their heavy armor makes them invaluable in the battle situation.

expensive, excellent morale, heavily armoured

Lydian Hoplitai:
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4694/lydianhoplites.jpg

The predominant infantry type of the ancient world was the hoplite, and it spread all over the world where Greeks had influence.

Lydian Chariots
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7673/lydianchariot.jpg

Chariots were almost always in use in eastern armies. This made sense because the east is filled with flat plains and deserts where mobility and speed are vital to victory in battle. Lydian Chariots are effective agains modt infantry and cavalry types, but fall down agains spearmen and massed archer fire

relatively expensive, excellent moale, heavily armoured

Lydian Archers
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2089/lydianarchers.jpg

Since soldiers had to supply their own weapons, most of the lowere class people had little or bo armour and nothing suited to heavy infantry. So they carry a weapon anybody can afford, the bow. Lydian archers are no more effecive than other archers, rather less so having limited training, so you shouldn't use them in a crucial point on the field.

Inexpensive, weak morale, poorly armoured

Old_King_Coal
07-22-2009, 21:35
These are the units currently availabel to the faction of Sparta, Not including the helots yet)

https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5493/sciritai.jpg

Skiritai

The sciritai were a greoup of peoples living around the polis of Sparta who were not full citizens but wer allowed to stay in exchange for verious services, notably the sciritai served as light troops that attacked the enemy phalanx from the left side while they were advancing towards the Spartan phalanx. Their main use is that they are effective javelineers, but they can also serve as effective wordsmen should they be required.

relatively inexpensive, good morale, effective in melee

https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/843/tegeanhoplitai.jpg

Tegean Hoplitai

Sparta when it had acheived Hegemony was able to all on a larger number of allies and auxiliaries than ever before. This enabled it to maintain it's dominance for a very long time. Tegea was one of the mian benefactors to Sparta's allied hoplites, they are well armoed and armoured, but they do not like that they are fighting for an enemy king's hegemony...

Decent morale, well armoured, expensive

https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4483/perioikoi.jpg

Perioikoi Hoplitai

the Perioikoi were another group of peoples living around Sparta that weren't full citizens. The perioikoi contributed to Sparta's military in the form of a body of excellent hoplites. These men are more well armoured than the core Spartans themselves, but are less skilled, even so they will form a rock-hard piece of the powereful Spartan Shield-wall

Good morale, well-armoured, expensive

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4253/ekdromoi.jpg

Ekdromoi

Ekdromoi (meaning outrunner) hoplites were an invention that came into play late in the Classical era. They were armed with less armour than the other hoplites, carrying either their own clothing or a suit of light iphicratean armor. Their lightness made them ale to lash out before the main battle and strike quickly at a piece of the enemy phalanx in order to disrupt it to let the main battle line break the enemy there

good morale, lightly armoured, fast, relatively inexpensive

https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9073/hippeis.jpg

Hippeis

Greek cavalry were armed very lightly and often only carried a number of javelins and a short lance or sword for melee. Greek cavalry were also known to have been able to break an enemy formation of hoplites if they were able to wrap around behind them and strike at a flank.

Good morale, lightly armoured, fast, expensive

https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4473/hippeisguards.jpg

Hippeis hoplites

The Spartan kings picked for their bodyguard the best of the best. 300 hand-picked warriors from within the ranks of Spartiati. They are not much different from other Spartans except for their excellent armor, which only comes to them because of their position in the aristocracy or nobility. On the field they are an awesome force and always belong on the frontline.

Unbreakable morale, heavily armoured, exceedingly expensive

https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6519/lochagos.jpg

Lochagos and Musician

https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/554/strategos.jpg

Strategos

Old_King_Coal
07-23-2009, 15:39
he Megaupload file has been updated, C: July 22

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6D6W28FV

PS. is anbody interested in trying a multiplayer with it?

Skullheadhq
07-23-2009, 15:50
I'm fine with it, just have to download it.

Beren Erchamion
07-23-2009, 18:36
Very good work!

Skullheadhq
07-25-2009, 09:22
Yay our first fan :clown:

Old_King_Coal
07-25-2009, 20:43
and hopefully more to come ;)

Alsatia
08-03-2009, 22:45
Nice. Not bad.

Old_King_Coal
08-04-2009, 04:34
thanks, if anybody can offer me any advice or suggestions I will consider them, and I can redo entire units, I have done it more than once :sweatdrop:

Ibn-Khaldun
08-05-2009, 13:00
Nice looking units! :yes:

Old_King_Coal
08-14-2009, 13:58
I think I'll have a full faction preview sometime soon, any suggestions for the faction? I can do, athens, Sparta or Thebes with a little more improving and tweaking

Old_King_Coal
08-23-2009, 16:57
Well I've updated the Tegean Hoplitai, but I'm still working on the cuirass: https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/843/tegeanhoplitai.jpg

Old_King_Coal
08-23-2009, 17:03
and here are some Persians: https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3628/spara.jpg
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8008/immmortals.jpg

falcon
09-22-2009, 07:37
This is a pretty cool project - to remake RTW in the image of the heroic age of Greece..

Ok my take on this is

They look a bit too Romanesque. This is by far the main problem.. You might just want to keep the original Greek units - with the behavior (encoding) of militia hoplites or other hoplites except shorter spears, and variations in skin (clothes and shield patterns) and helmet for the various city states...

You might want to have your hoplites keep their helmets on during battle.. the pics on the vases with the helmets pushed up are after battle..

Sparta very rarely trusted it's non citizens with arms - as a matter of fact during the Peloponesian war (between the Athenian and Spartan leagues) the threat of rebellion by the helots was a threat used against them. The Perioikoi were relatively few in number (as was the spartan nobility itself) and they were generally kept away from weapons.

Yes when threatened by foreign - non greek - enemies they including the Helots may have taken up arms to prevent a worse fate (maybe far worse) than being ruled by Sparta (which was merely opression with the occasional brutal murder during the krypteria or the graduation of Spartan youths..) invaders were known to do far worse things to entire populations..

For the greek world the main units were the Hoplites. Supported by skirmishers. Cavalry was rare. (and probably very expensive)


The good news is the peoples outside Greece were fairly unsophisticated, fighting with spearmen, swordsmen, or chariots, sometimes archers - so cutting down units to 2-3 fighting unit types will do the trick for most of their neighbors.. Also at the time city states were prevalent so factions will have to be restirceted to city states..

The bare chest and pin stripes look for northern barbarians could also be replaced perhaps by a general model dressed in leather. maybe some armor for some units (which was as common for northern barbarians at the time as the toga was for mediterranean peoples, or the shirt and jeans is for pretty much the entire world today..)

For the Iranians the infantry and skirmishers in the regular game is pretty much accurate for an earlyer age too..

The Carthiginians could be replaced by the Phoenicians their direct ancestors..

falcon
09-22-2009, 07:40
some useful links..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_formation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltast
http://www.livius.org/pha-phd/phalanx/phalanx.html
http://myweb.unomaha.edu/~mreames/Alexander/Jones/Jones_hoplite_sm.jpg

falcon
09-22-2009, 07:47
Archers were also used sporadically but tended to be frowned upon as "cowardly" in greek warfare..

falcon
09-22-2009, 08:03
For the most part it looks good..

Old_King_Coal
09-26-2009, 14:12
Thanks for the suggestions but I don't get how it is far too 'romanesque', perhaps you can enlighten us? And i felt that having the helmets up makes it a bit more attractive since you'd get tired of seeing the same helmet over and over and over and over etc.

Old_King_Coal
09-27-2009, 16:14
Well i've done some improvement on the Syracusian cavalry, it uss an EB model that TOne has graciously allowed the use of and has an attractive skin. https://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5784/heavycavalry.jpg

https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2817/horseonhoplite.th.jpg (https://img87.imageshack.us/i/horseonhoplite.jpg/)

he wields a spear and carries a long xiphos as a secondary weapon

falcon
10-09-2009, 10:28
Ok - I'm not trying to piss on your parade - I just want to make sure the mod does not dissapoint a lot of people. You did a good job on most units - but some.. (If you're gonna make all this effort - you might as well do it 100%)

Generally - Romanesque - one word HELMETS - especially the ones with the mass-produced looking roman "forehead" piece - and the Roman style red tuss on top.. Grieves also varied..

Unit by unit..

Syracusian hoplite - the skin, and shields are all very good - except you might want them to keep their helmets on..

The new Syracusian cavalry is much improved - (shield graphic and helmet detail are excellent) - but if you wanted to make it even better you might want to remove or mod the horsehair tuss on the helmet - it still looks like the roman one does.. (or at least change the color to white)

Syracusian Epilektoi - ok - but the helmet could use more detail to make it look better - and the shield graphic most definitely should be improved..

Syracusian Epibatai (marines) - roman helmets.. forehead piece, could use better shield graphics..

Sicilian Hoplites - good - almost perfect - once again helmet forehead piece - you could keep the forehead piece in this case if you added alot of vertical lines to it sort of like Ulysses' / Sean Beans' helmet in Troy..


Argive units - all very good.. Argive - generic Hoplitai - could use forehead piece/helmet graphic improvement - ie. remove or add vertical "artful" lines to forehead portion..

Phrygian Skirmishers, Pathlagonian Cavalry - good - I like the hat/helmet - in the future it will have to be improved but it looks good..

Lydian Chariots - the red roman tuss- helmet decioration is ok on the Lydian Heavy cavalry especialy with the forehead thingy fitfully removed - but it doesn't look good on the charioteeers - at least change the vcolor to black or white or something.. (and the yellow on the chariot horses is not too great either..)


Sparta - Skiritai, and Perioikoi Hoplitai are very good - but you don't need that many units for sparta - sparta pretty much had just one simple type of hoplite - without too much decoration and just a scary red cape.. For sparta maybe one type of hoplite, skirmishers, and "peasants" who would take up arms in self defense.. you could also have light spearman - youth - drafted in an emergency to defend Laconia.

Beides these two units could be used as mainstay units for other city-states..


Tegean Hoplitai - good except for shiled graphics - the greek alphabet is not the same as the roman one we use today.. and they woukld deserve better than just a letter on their shields - you could just leave their shields plain - and little more subdued bronze..


Ekdromoi - roman helmet.. not too convincing, bad shield graphics - and the checkerboard design on the helmets....

Hippeis - helmets could use imnprovement - the black cape is somehow too contrasting with the horseman, and the red cloth on the horses.. shield graphics definitely need improvement..


Hippeis hoplites - units themselves are very good - shield graphics could use improvement - especially the officer's hypnotic shield, and the musician's checkerboard helmet decoration.. (maybe you could use the panther from the shield except on white or grey background, or a horse head, or some mediterranean looking white-grey desing)

"Well I've updated the Tegean Hoplitai, but I'm still working on the cuirass"

My opinion the old variant of the units themselves was very good - except for the shields..



Other things - you don't need that many units - greeks did not have a great variety of troops - and very few horsemen - so some spartan units could be used for other states..

Skiritai with different shield graphics, and clothes coukld be used as marines for many states..

Some skirmishers - from the regular game could be used and recycled as support infantry - so you only have to do the hoplites..

Also since th greekl world is small you might want to think about neighboring peoples too - but like I said warfare back than was simple so many units can be "recycled' from the regular game (with minor changes maybe..)..

Old_King_Coal
10-10-2009, 01:43
thanks for the tips falcon I'll take it all into consideration,

I've been doing a lot of work on the previously uploaded hoplites but I haven't uploaded any images yet, probably this weekend sometime.

And as for the 'romanesque' helmets on the syracusian marines, they are attican style helmets, not the montefortino or imparial gallic or any other roman helmet, I'm afraid I ca't see how it could be mistaken for Roman.

Also the Tegean hoplite is one I'm having a lot of difficulty getting just right, probably a while before it's quite done.

and the horses still use the old BI textures (so it'll have the ugly bright color saddles still, I'm going to fix that)

I'd appreciate further recomendations

Spartan198
10-11-2009, 09:15
I like what I'm seeing. Is it modfoldered? And what .exe is it for? RTW, BI, or Alex?

Old_King_Coal
10-11-2009, 20:37
It's for BI, and I haven't sorted out an extra exe yet,

I'm not sure what Alex is tho...........

Spartan198
10-12-2009, 00:06
I'm not sure what Alex is tho...........
The Alexander expansion.

Another question... this is for BI 1.6, right?

Edit: Okay, I put all the files into the BI folder, then sent the shortcut to the desktop and clicked on it to run, but got this.

https://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Desktop%20Pics/StrategosError.jpg

I tried replacing my unmodified BI data folder (I always keep zipped copies of the data folders on a CD so I don't have to uninstall and reinstall repeatedly) and reinstalling Strategos several times, but I keep getting the same error when I click the Strategos shortcut to run it.

Edit: Also, I recommend bringing this mod to Total War Center (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=202), too. It'll help get you more coverage.

Old_King_Coal
10-12-2009, 17:18
well I don't know hat the problem is, but I think if you just move the strategos folder into the rome total war folder? I dunno i never saw that problem,

and ya going to the twc sounds like a good idea

Old_King_Coal
10-14-2009, 20:10
Sorry about the delay uploading some more stuff, I'll probably upload new stuff about every week.

Well I've improved some of the spartans, and at Phalanx 300's urging I made a new 'Neodamodeis' hoplite who was a helot given the gear of a hoplite and sent to fight in the phalanx.

https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7697/spartiati.jpg

improved spartiati, better textures on linothorax and helmet

https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4483/perioikoi.jpg

perioikoi, uses an xgm model so I'll be going to the xgm leaders for permission sometime soon

https://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7426/neodamodeis.jpg

the neodamodeis

https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4473/hippeisguards.jpg

improved hippeis guards

well, hope you liked it, pm me with any suggestions :)

Paltmull
10-14-2009, 23:07
Will this be for BI only?

Old_King_Coal
10-15-2009, 00:12
It's intended for BI but I believe it will run in rtw

Paltmull
10-15-2009, 21:48
Great :D

Looks awesome :)

Old_King_Coal
10-17-2009, 03:37
thanks man :), just an fyi I'm gonna post some nice new stuff tommorrow, probably corinthians

Spartan198
10-17-2009, 20:23
A peek at the map would be nice, too... pweeeeeeese? You can have this balloon in return? :balloon2:

Old_King_Coal
10-17-2009, 21:32
I dunno how much of the map is ready yet.............. although I'll oblige once Ghaust has got some nice stuff to show

Old_King_Coal
10-18-2009, 05:28
Well, I've been busy as bee and gotten some stuff done. Two new units, the Scythin Hoplites and Scythian Noble cavalry:

https://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6407/scythiannoblecavalry.jpg

https://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2489/scythianhoplitai.jpg

G. Septimus
10-18-2009, 09:22
this is awesome!!!
though theres no Romans, Its really awesome!!
never seen Greece so good!!

Spartan198
10-18-2009, 11:53
This is just me nitpicking, but I don't think Scythia ever had its own hoplite force. I mean, I don't mind little inaccuracies that enhance gameplay and fun factor, but Scythian hoplites seems a bit too much. Maybe just call them Scythian Heavy Infantry and note in the description that they "adopted the Greek fighting style to counter the heavy infantry types of other kingdoms" or something?

Old_King_Coal
10-18-2009, 23:17
to my knowledge Scythia along with many other nation in the CLassical age did make use of hoplites in one form or another. And with Scythian being close to the Greek colonies in the Bosphoros it is easy to assume that they did have substantial Greek influence. However, if you feel that calling them Scythian "heavy infantry" would be more prudent I can fully understand.

Thanks for the complement Gaius!

Old_King_Coal
10-19-2009, 20:16
I got a new unit done, and I thought you'd like to see it. I'll be posting a preview of the full faction on the weekend probably.

https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6633/tarasepilektoihoplitai.jpg

The Tarentine Epilektoi Hoplitai

Old_King_Coal
10-28-2009, 02:50
note: I've been held up with school work recently so I haven't been able to upload much, expect some new stuff relatively soon

Old_King_Coal
10-30-2009, 20:58
One new unit, hope you like it, more soon

https://img504.imageshack.us/img504/793/arcadianhoplitai.jpg

The Arcadian Hoplitai, with the Greek AP standing for Arcadia

fireblade
11-20-2009, 08:57
I have to say it looks really nice. Keep up the good work:2thumbsup:

Old_King_Coal
11-23-2009, 02:31
here's the first in a series of previews of hoplites from the independant polis on the map. (represented by rebels)




Gela Hoplitai

https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/307/gelahoplite3ds.jpg

https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/760/gelalocation.jpg

The hoplites from Gela are well-ermed, often highly experienced and more than a competent force on the battlefield. They wear linothorax, corinthian helmets with a tall crest, and their shields bear images of the same satyrs found on Geloi coins.

https://img143.imageshack.us/img143/492/gelahoplite.jpg



The city was founded around 688 BC by colonists from Rhodos (Rhodes) and Crete, 45 years after the founding of Syracuse. The colony was named after the river Gela to which the colony was positioned near. The Greeks had many colonies in Southern Italy, their influence there also meant they had great influence in Sicily. They established colonies in Sicily, among them Syracuse, Himera and Gela. Gela quickly flourished and after about a century on existence the Geloi established a colony in modern day Agrigento. The esxpansion led to social strains that led to the lower class to leave the city, however, the great priest of Diana opposed the revolt and they were brought back.

For a century Gela is not mentioned in any historical documents and it is clear that it had gone into decline. However, in 498 BCE the tyrant Hippocrates of Gela conquered Callipoli, Leontini, Naxos, Hergetios and Zancles (the current Messina). Only Syracuse, with the help of the founding city of Corinth avoided capture. Wen Camarina, a Syracusan colony, rebelled in 492 BC, Hippocrates intervened to wage war against Syracuse. he defeated the Syracusian army at the Heloros river but was convinced to retreat after given possesion of Camarina. He died in battle in 494 BCE with the Siculi, the natives of Sicily.

Hippocrates was succeeded by Gelo who conquered Syracuse in 484 BCE and moved his seat of government there. His brother Hiero was given control of Gela. Soon afterwards Theron of Agrigento conquered Himera and a Carthaginian army embarked for Sicily to counter him Theron called on Syracuse and Gela for assistance. In the subsequent battle of Himera the Carthaginians were defeated.

After the death of Gelo in 478 BCE Hiero moved to Syracuse leaving Gela to Poyzelos. After these events the hitory of the city becomes uncertain, and it has been suggested that the citizens overcame the tyrants and established a democracy.


from Wikipedia:

Many of the Geloi returned from Syracuse in this period, and the city regained part of its power: Aischylos died in this city in 456 BC. Gela was at the head of the Sicilian league that pushed back the Athenian attempt to conquer the island in 424 BCE.

In 406 the Carthaginians conquered Agrigento and destroyed it. Gela asked for the help of Dionysius I of Syracuse. However, for unknown reasons, the latter did not arrive in time and, after heroic deeds, Gela was turned into ruins and its treasures sacked (405). The survivors took refuge in Syracuse. In 397 they returned home and joined Dionysius II in his struggle for the freedom from the invaders, and in 383 BC they saw their independence acknowledged.

Under Agathocles (317-289 BC) the city suffered again for internal strife between the general population and the aristocrats. When the Carthaginians arrived in 311 BC, they met little resistance and captured the city with the help of the aristoi. In 282 BC Phintias of Agrigento, who had founded a city next to the modern Licata, destroyed ruthlessly Gela to crush forever its power.

Old_King_Coal
11-25-2009, 00:07
Leontini Hoplitai

https://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2214/leontinianhoplite3ds.jpg

https://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2857/leontinilocation.jpg
(from Google Maps)

One of the early opponents of Syracuse, this city will be a difficult nut to crack for any Syracusian tyrant aiming at Hegemony.

Details about the armament:



The Leontinian hoplites carry the typical hoplite armament, a 7-foot dora spear, a metre-wide hoplon, a suit of linothorax armor and a helmet of corinthian style:

http://www.safani.com/objects/pics/helmet.jpg

On their shields they have an image of a lion the same as coins found at Leontini:

http://www.coinarchives.com/3450daccafb232135cc149d0c5839d6e/img/cng/082/thumb00278.jpg


Details about the history of Leontini:



The city was founded in 729 BCE by colonists from Naxos, Naxos being a Chalcidean colony established five years previous.

Leontini was basically the only Greek colony not located directly on the coast, located about 6 miles inland. The location was originally controlled by the native Sicels that was valuable for its close proximity to a highly fertile plain. The status of the city was reduced to a subject state in 498 by Hippocrates of Gela, and in 476 BC Hieron of Syracuse moved the inhabitants from Catana and Naxos to Leontini.

Leontini eventually regained independance, however, this proved to be difficult to keep and help was requisitioned from Athens. It was mainly this request that led to the aborted Sicilian Expedition.

After the failed expedition Leontini was again a subject of Syracuse. The city only gained independance in 405 BCE in a treaty made by the Carthaginians and Dionysos of Syracuse. The city was finally stormed by Marcus Claudius Marcellus in 214 BC.

tenerife_boy
11-25-2009, 23:02
I like those units but I only have a suggestion to Old_King_Coal.

This hoplite phalanx formation looks pretty cool when you are in the pre-battle and you start it and finally in the begining, BUT if you analize this formation you will see how useless it is BECAUSE:

When you attack this formation from the backside you see that the hoplites turn and fight with their spears looking at the sky!!!!!!!!!!! they don´t get down their spears and fight like the hoplites at the frontside...understand me?

so I recommend you to remove this formation and make them fight with the overhand animation nothing else.

BTW one more time it´s my humble opinion.

:grin::spain:

Old_King_Coal
11-26-2009, 20:34
yes i understand it isn't perfect yet tenerife, but please note that it is an incomplete project and what you see now is only temporary. So we will be likely changing the spears

tenerife_boy
11-26-2009, 22:35
oh ! In that case, keep up this good work :)

regards

tenerife_boy
11-28-2009, 18:42
man, when are you planing to released a beta??

I think it´s time to kill some persians :sneaky:

Old_King_Coal
11-28-2009, 23:02
well probably not for a bit, the mapping is coming along slowly and we'd like to relsease a beta with some of the map at least. Maybe in the next month i think

tenerife_boy
11-29-2009, 12:42
well december is a good month
we all love december

:jester::dancing:

Old_King_Coal
12-10-2009, 23:28
sorry about the lack of new stuff recently but i've been having a tad of computer trouble (fixed it up now tho)

so, here's some of my more recent work, the thracian heavy cavalry, textures by me and model from Variagmod:

https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4843/heavycavalry3ds.jpg

I'll probably have a full faction preview of Thrace sometime soon

Old_King_Coal
01-14-2010, 20:31
sorry about the lack of new stuff here but I had some computer trouble :sweatdrop:

But i have put some things together, here's one of them, the Argive Epilektoi, (full faction preview soon)

https://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1516/epilektoi3ds.jpg

the corinthian helmet model (not the crest) is from the Variagmod thracians

falcon
01-22-2010, 09:17
The latest greek additions are really good.

Except you might want to have symbols instead of letters for most units - like the squid is good - AP for Arcadia....

As for the Scythians... They only had cavalry (limited populations means no massed infantry formations) - and imagine if they had to march all those hundreds of miles across the steppes..


Maybe they had some peasants at home armed with spears or swords and shields only (nothing so glossy as you have)..

But for main units you might want to have 2 or 3 types of cavalry..

The basic horsed-archer (maybe with sword-shield melee ability)
(Optional) Spear - shield medium cavalry
Scyth (axe) - shield armed Noble cavalry (gold armor would be best)


And also don't forget to give them a bigger beard, and for the archers, and foot-soldiers/peasants the classic Scythian hat.


Some refrences for inspiration:

http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsid=166&f=32

http://www.eastofindia.com/persians.htm

http://www.ancientbattles.com/MacPhotos/AlexImperialDahaejjonas00.htm

http://www.4hoplites.com/Scythian%20Photos.htm

falcon
01-22-2010, 09:36
Also check out these units -

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=262012

the 6th picture down in "huns vs. ostrogoths" would make awesome basic scythians


the 4th picture down in "western romans vs. sarmatians" would ba pretty good medium cavalry - except adding armor to their horses, and a better saddle balnket would be better - maybe make their armor bronze, and give them brown clothes instead of red - to make them look more scythian..

Old_King_Coal
01-23-2010, 22:16
thanks for the suggestions, I do try to avoid using letters for shield icons but please note that when i do use them it is based on historical research.

always good to get suggestions, this mod is still in development

tenerife_boy
03-11-2010, 23:51
any news? :'(

vartan
03-16-2010, 18:55
any news? :'(
Coal is probably busy working on it or maybe something came up. I don't know if I've posted much in his subforum but I'd like to encourage him. Keep up the good work. I love it all!

Nom
08-16-2010, 14:03
i see long time ago the last post wats happen?

so many good work for...

Cute Wolf
09-07-2010, 21:30
i see long time ago the last post wats happen?

so many good work for...

bad things happened... where is old king coal now?
and modrealms is still down.... how could we contact him?

vartan
09-17-2010, 19:19
I hope he's okay. I really miss him because he was an inspiring person for me. I remember when in the forums he would conjure up all these ideas, way before this mod had its own sub-forum. Great guy I think. Hope all is well with him (=