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Cute Wolf
05-19-2010, 12:09
yoi, the Euro factions could made the M2 southern european portaits. Their diplomats will use RTW greek diplomat portaits, and their spy/assassins got Roman rogue portaits.

In the other hands, I think the Melayu FM could use M2 middle eastern merchants and diplomat portaits (note : melayu FM got M2 middle eastern portaits of merchants and diplomats - just need to get them some destar and kain, while some could still use their turban). The diplomats and rogues will use eastern FM without helmets (Jebivjetar-ish portaits made wearing destar).

The Java-Sundanese FM will use modified eastern FM portaits, as well as several Armoured M2 middle eastern portaits, we'll got them with both helmets and not, but we could add some proper headgear too (imagine Jebivjetar portait wearing Blangkon, or Iket), the rogues and diplomats will be the same with Melayu.

G. Septimus
05-19-2010, 12:32
VoC:
Check This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies) out
achh, needa check out on the "Real Apperance" and the "In-Game" one

Cute Wolf
05-19-2010, 12:58
well, we must consider the playability and most likely use m2 portaits for placeholder in the first relase

Nyz
05-20-2010, 12:37
The Java-Sundanese FM will use modified eastern FM portaits, as well as several Armoured M2 middle eastern portaits, we'll got them with both helmets and not, but we could add some proper headgear too (imagine Jebivjetar portait wearing Blangkon, or Iket), the rogues and diplomats will be the same with Melayu.

This is what I imagine: :laugh4:


https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg (https://img718.imageshack.us/i/avatar2if.jpg/)

G. Septimus
05-20-2010, 13:00
This is what I imagine: :laugh4:


https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg (https://img718.imageshack.us/i/avatar2if.jpg/)

lold

Nyz
05-20-2010, 13:45
Well, Your Majesty King Gaius, the Mighty (Former) Roman Dictator, I just wanna throw off some idea how the appearance of FM after being put headgears on their portrait, well, my photoshop skill is not good as Mr. Finn MacCumhail when he modifying the portrait of Eastern FM to become Indian FM in ATB....

Cute Wolf
05-20-2010, 13:55
but that was pretty good :thumbsup:... too bad, I still stucked in my final project at the univ, and could help on skinning job again after the seminar.....

G. Septimus
05-20-2010, 14:00
Well, Your Majesty King Gaius, the Mighty (Former) Roman Dictator, I just wanna throw off some idea how the appearance of FM after being put headgears on their portrait, well, my photoshop skill is not good as Mr. Finn MacCumhail when he modifying the portrait of Eastern FM to become Indian FM in ATB....
it looks funny, I Lold at the Pic, it's so weird .
just See Jebi (The Real Jebi, IRL) using Kopiahs and Stuff like that
weird :inquisitive:
BTW, I'm not a king, I'm a Ruler (Dictis)

Nyz
05-20-2010, 14:33
Hmm, I also think its weird... just not matching the faces of Nusantara people. Well, maybe some modification like adding mustache, sideburns, beard or goatee can improved it...maybe I can try other Eastern FM, or other culture portrait, like Greek one...(well, Skullheadhq....you are the candidate for full transformation....:laugh4:)....

If it is not work, then we have to make announcement for face database, like EB II. or hosting a reality TV program..."Searching for models....." :laugh4: (these 2 not gonna happen...)

G. Septimus
05-20-2010, 14:56
Hmm, I also think its weird... just not matching the faces of Nusantara people. Well, maybe some modification like adding mustache, sideburns, beard or goatee can improved it...maybe I can try other Eastern FM, or other culture portrait, like Greek one...(well, Skullheadhq....you are the candidate for full transformation....:laugh4:)....

If it is not work, then we have to make announcement for face database, like EB II. or hosting a reality TV program..."Searching for models....." :laugh4: (these 2 not gonna happen...)

yeah, they have too long noses. just like me IRL!!!

Nyz
05-20-2010, 15:01
yeah, they have too long noses. just like me IRL!!!

Well, I don't want to comment that.....hmmm, anyway, what will happen when we remove your and Sonic helmet and replace it with various headgears?.....maybe it worth to try....:laugh4:

Cute Wolf
05-20-2010, 15:16
lol... actually, I think it maybe better if you try M2TW middle eastern merchants and diplomat's face for melayu... (but actually, I think the javanese will be fine if we use modified eastern portaits)

G. Septimus
05-20-2010, 15:37
lol... actually, I think it maybe better if you try M2TW middle eastern merchants and diplomat's face for melayu... (but actually, I think the javanese will be fine if we use modified eastern portaits)
I agree with Cute Wolf, anybody with me?
just replace the Headgear with Blankon or that wagly thing on Hasanuddin's head

plutoboyz
05-22-2010, 14:03
what do you think?

https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5034/jebi.jpg
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2526/jebi2.jpg

this one can be used as sriwijayan FM
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8979/jebi3.jpg

plutoboyz
05-22-2010, 14:06
I agree with Cute Wolf, anybody with me?
just replace the Headgear with Blankon or that wagly thing on Hasanuddin's head

king don't wear blangkon. hassanudin is Bugis. its to east for our mod. replace it with crown instead

Cute Wolf
05-22-2010, 14:16
Well.... at least we allready have some portait plan... discuss it here :grin:

here's the plan for java-sunda FM portaits.... the eastern general, with headgear change...
https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg

plutoboyz
05-22-2010, 14:28
what do you think?

https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5034/jebi.jpg
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2526/jebi2.jpg

this one can be used as sriwijayan FM
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8979/jebi3.jpg

Cute Wolf
05-22-2010, 14:33
much better:grin:, could you made jebi's skin browner a bit?...
oh yeah, actually, there was no shame an FM to put a blangkon or udeng... but about peci or kopiah...

Nyz
05-22-2010, 14:49
No no no... not peci or kopiah... that's commoner headgear at that time...even commoner used destar or tanjak made from low and medium quality fabric. Peci and kopiah just trial and error and experimenting with photoshop....


king don't wear blangkon. hassanudin is Bugis. its to east for our mod. replace it with crown instead

Mr. Gaius only knew destar and tanjak from image of Sultan Hasanuddin. Even it was destar / tanjak, the headgear is unique.... it is not like Malay Sultan destar or Tanjak.

Even Acheh headgear also unique. It it like peci wrapped with colorful serban....

plutoboyz
05-22-2010, 15:02
much better:grin:, could you made jebi's skin browner a bit?...
oh yeah, actually, there was no shame an FM to put a blangkon or udeng... but about peci or kopiah...

blankon used by commoner and some abdi dalem, its okay for agent but for FM, its little bit odd. king have crown right?

also I think skin tone is enough. noble usually got lighter skin.


...
Mr. Gaius only knew destar and tanjak from image of Sultan Hasanuddin. Even it was destar / tanjak, the headgear is unique.... it is not like Malay Sultan destar or Tanjak.

Even Acheh headgear also unique. It it like peci wrapped with colorful serban....

well, Aceh sultan used something like sarik. maybe, its a fez wrapped with turban. usually, used by sufi.
https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/hack87_2006/my_design/CardTeukuUmar-1.png
sarik
http://www.dieter-philippi.de/images/2703_Sarik.jpg

Bugis people worn their "destar" in the side.

Nyz
05-22-2010, 15:32
blankon used by commoner and some abdi dalem, its okay for agent but for FM, its little bit odd. king have crown right?

Hmm, the unique crown in the sig pic of Majapahit and Pajajaran? in the second potrait of modified Jev avatar?

plutoboyz
05-22-2010, 15:39
Hmm, the unique crown in the sig pic of Majapahit and Pajajaran? in the second potrait of modified Jev avatar?

all hail the great Mahkota Bonokasih Sanghyang Pake!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BY1CuqYtQa8/R9sE88nb_7I/AAAAAAAAABg/VUvtzaD2MEQ/S1600-R/binokasih.jpg

Cute Wolf
05-27-2010, 14:39
Now i must made a clear point about this. Melaka, Aceh, Palembang, Sriwijaya, will got melayu culture. Pajajaran, Bintara, Majapahit, will got Jawi culture (ancient javanese, not to be confused with jawa). And each culture will share a group of portaits. Means melaka and sriwijaya will have the same set of portaits, it was bi hardcoded.

plutoboyz
05-27-2010, 15:59
wolf, do you have picture of Majapahit or Bintara crown?

Nyz
05-28-2010, 10:48
We already realized that culture slots are limited in RTW engines, that's the issue and problem happened in all mods, and culture slots are really precious for further expansion of the mod... well, we just have not to make Malay-culture FM using Islamic Serban, and make them wearing mainly destar, tanjak and a few use mahkota, to avoid what-the-hell-Hindu FM-wearing-serban issue.... the serban-wearer are Islamic Scholar, Kadi, or Maulana as ancillaries...

Cute Wolf
05-29-2010, 16:45
Actually both hindu and muslim wearing serban. And according to the customs, wearing blangkon is ok for jawi fm.

plutoboyz
05-29-2010, 17:05
Actually both hindu and muslim wearing serban. And according to the customs, wearing blangkon is ok for jawi fm.

umm... not really. it was Sikh who wear turban(dastar).
http://www.csupomona.edu/~plin/turbans/images/sikh_man.gif
some kind of religious duties. and Rajput (who claimed as Indo-Saka descendant) also wear turban.
http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/19309/wm/pd2033370.jpg
and Pheta worn by Maratha warrior and during ceremonial occasion
http://www.kolhapurworld.com/new/about_kolhapur/culture/images/pheta.jpg


but not in Indonesia. Indonesian Hindu FM more commonly wear Siger, Sumping, Topknot hair, Crown, traditional Headgear. even muslim, if not Arab descendant barely wear Turban

Nyz
05-29-2010, 18:52
I think some nomad portrait from BI suit Malay FM

https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5145/potraith.jpg

Cute Wolf
06-02-2010, 09:26
just changed the Portaits in modfolder... now the Romans are Europeans....
1) the "Diplomats" will be double up as missionary...
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/2d5565b24e.jpg
2) the Melayu portaits use "M2TW" merchants and citizens one...
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fc6548962d.jpg

Rahwana
06-02-2010, 10:15
neat, but what about the "jawi"? you should made list to the portaits changes...

Cute Wolf
06-02-2010, 14:23
we'll use them... for basic models
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fecad4f827.jpg

what we'll use:
1) basic, untouched version
2) one set of with simple topknot (sanggul)
3) one set with simple iket
4) one set with javanese crown

plutoboyz
06-02-2010, 14:32
Siger? Sumping? no?

Cute Wolf
06-02-2010, 14:34
depend on your creativity, made sure you take the old, and dead version from the RTW unpacker as well... thanks

Rahwana
06-11-2010, 16:37
well, how's portait progress going?

plutoboyz
06-11-2010, 16:42
Its crash (not CTD but back to menu). when I test the potrait.

and lack of photo of crown.

btw, wolf are you sure we'll use iket? historically, Sundanese king don't wear iket and seeing Javanese king wearing iket just weird.

Rahwana
06-11-2010, 16:56
umm, could you give the portaits (allready modified version) to wolf? I'm sure he can repair it for a good use afterwards)

G. Septimus
06-15-2010, 15:01
we'll use them... for basic models
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fecad4f827.jpg

what we'll use:
1) basic, untouched version
2) one set of with simple topknot (sanggul)
3) one set with simple iket
4) one set with javanese crown

where'd you get all of these fantastic people!!

plutoboyz
06-15-2010, 15:12
where'd you get all of these fantastic people!!

unpack the .PAK file.

G. Septimus
06-15-2010, 15:16
oh, okay. my CPU broke down along with my RTW. I'm using a NoteBook now

Nyz
07-15-2010, 17:48
Can statue image of Champa be used for Srivijayan FM?

https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6597/patungchampa.jpg

plutoboyz
07-15-2010, 23:58
Can statue image of Champa be used for Srivijayan FM?

https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6597/patungchampa.jpg

we can't. even the neighboring Majapahit and Pajajaran have entirely different crown. also this sriwijaya is not old sriwijaya.

Nyz
07-16-2010, 02:56
Are nowadays Minangkabau not even close to that-time's Sriwijaya?

plutoboyz
07-16-2010, 04:14
Are nowadays Minangkabau not even close to that-time's Sriwijaya?

no. closest to that time sriwijaya are old sriwijaya. old sriwijaya are closest to Chola and Sunda-Galuh.

Cute Wolf
07-17-2010, 18:35
because some buggy things I've encountered in implementing my own portaits (notably drastical change of face when turn 50 - not the right one despite I allready re-check the lists), and the side effect of screwed family tree, I think for our first relase we'll stick to eastern FM for Jawi, and M2TW muslim citizens for Melayu.

I'd said the portaits got partially closed this time, but if we still had time, we'll work on them again...