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[Cute Wolf]

Ok, so I have got some permissions to use some models in our mod, and I've re-skin them, so this is the (rather small). lists of units...

Melayu Bodyguard Elephants (rider model by Wlesmana's LOTR TW.) and Melayu militia (models by wlesmana).
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/aceh_army.jpg

European Elite Swordsmen (model by Halie Satanus' EOD) and Swordsmen Militia (just dismounted and reskinned Sarmatian Auxilia), the European general is actually Boromir when he got haircut (thanks for Wlesmana's LOTR TW)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/dutch_army.jpg

Turanggawesi horse (the riders is still BI model) - maybe I put the seprei too big? :grin:
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/naik_kuda_besi_yuuukk.jpg

and here's some in battle screenies...
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/bantai_kompeni.jpg
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/dutch_vs_portuguese.jpg

[plutoboyz]

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Melayu Bodyguard Elephants (rider model by Wlesmana's LOTR TW.) and Melayu militia (models by wlesmana).
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/aceh_army.jpg
...

Peurise Awe? Peurise Kajee? No?

[Cute Wolf]

Peurise Awe? Peurise Kajee? No?

kamsud?

[plutoboyz]

Peurise Kajee
http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/0307/13/1_ad85ae82ab64ee1eed55fb0b269e6a41.jpg
Peurise Awe
http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/0407/01/1_0f72ce77b379d209bbc07c6035c833a1.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

they are just some lowly militia... can't afford more than simple bamboo shields... and those logos are intended to be some cheap paintings on their shields, rather than actual metallic emboss...

[Rahwana]

wolf, u forgot that the swordsmen militia actually use comb morion helmet, not roman...

EDIT : And they don't use thureos, they use round buckler

[plutoboyz]

wolf, u forgot that the swordsmen militia actually use comb morion helmet, not roman...

EDIT : And they don't use thureos, they use round buckler

no one using thureos. its kite shield

[Rahwana]

wolf just lock himself in his room, learning how to do modelling in 3dsmax these days... hope he arrive soon... (even he refused to going mall (cuci mata liatin cewe seksi2) together with me because of that...)

and he should definitely used this handsome face for javanese general... :grin:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/2bf74507d3.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

well, after eating instant noodles for 2 days, I finally have done some improvement:

1) I've made some reskinning so the soldiers are more realistic now, no more cartoon feelings, coz I'm copypasta actual garments to their skins, but maybe I'll ask jiri to refine it again... (still had some bleak spots:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1f415851ea.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0b54726e08.jpg

2) and this was the result of my recent crash course (bothering wlesmana alot on his FB page, as well as seaching modelling tutorials archieve), here we go... the Penjurit models, with square "papan" shield and javelins
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/426a17d1b1.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/51131b9266.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8dfec940a7.jpg
notice that their models are designed with more effective way of spear handling, so while the militia often break their own formations, the penjurit had longer reach and capable to maintain a solid line.

3) of course, I've made the european swordsmen militia had longer, more proper arming swords, as well round buckler instead of thureos (yes, they are thureos because I took sarmatian auxilia as base model) - note that wasn't the newest screenies, the newest skins had real european faces, but I still search a way to reduce skullheadhq's frescles... without compromising the textures
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d4ec327204.jpg

[plutoboyz]

IIRC, this is how sarung worn.
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/66/Baju_melayu.jpg

maybe Intifadanyz knows better.


well, after eating instant noodles for 2 days, I finally have done some improvement...

keeps eating noodles! so we have better improvement.:clown:

[Cute Wolf]

I know, maybe next step is moving the sarung to hip line.... ( time to buy some bakso for dinner)

[Nyz]

That's Sampin Mr. Tirta.... Sampin is worn until knee, but sarong / kain pelekat / kain batik worn until anklebone...

sampin: Pahang Style (worn over the shirt)
https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7717/sampintenunpahang.jpg

sampin: Johore Style (worn under the shirt)
https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1795/sampinjohorestyle.jpg

sampin: Terengganu style (sampin ikat siput: the knot were made like a snail)
https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3141/sampintenunterengganu.jpg

How to wear sarong (in this case, kain pelekat) : This is Malay style, Bangladeshi, Tamil-Muslim and Myanmar men also have kain pelekat, but wear it with different style...
https://img816.imageshack.us/img816/6731/sarongs3.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

well, I use sarung for blanket.... so they should be moved to that area, or better left unchanged?

[Nyz]

Non-military and militia can used kain pelekat at that area (shoulder), while regulars and nobles wear at waist as sampin.

[Cute Wolf]

penjurit are only semi-regulars, right?

[Cute Wolf]

BTW, I just made Sriwijayan Skirmisher unit, armed with javelins, and quite skilled with spears....
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d3d1ecc478.jpg

[gamegeek2]

Are some of those guys in fullplate?

[Cute Wolf]

Are some of those guys in fullplate?

yupz, the babad, and another historical records describe european generals and such elite units are covered with steel from head to toe (much like Javanese nobles, just wearing different style of armour - the javanese had catass type (scales and partial plates over chain) armour, and europeans should historically worn fullplate)

[gamegeek2]

Make some full plate knights already!

[Rahwana]

wolf, could you shown the archers please? did they are allready fixed?

[Finn MacCumhail]

Honestly, the European swordsmen militia looks err... not like European swordsmen militia. Look below, adding that european model buckler, removing spear and giving sword and we have European swordsmen militia.

And it had to be pikemen, but the spear too short, and the animation is wrong.

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1118-14-37-12.jpg

BTW, Portuguese standard looks weird with the silver ring. May be it should be smth like this?

http://arabwars.narod.ru/Images/gerb-portugalia.gif

[Rahwana]

yay, good Finn, CW's models did look wrong, but at least he only a very newbie in modelling :grin:

perhaps you should PM either me or CW the ziddu link for testing
don't worry about the pikemen, they have secondary swords yes? they will use "phalanx" formations, so the spear should be automatically generalted via engines, and they will use EB pikemen animation.

ANd those models should also have crossbowmen models :thumbsup: the difference between elites and regulars are just skins, afterall.. :thumbsup:

[plutoboyz]

...
BTW, Portuguese standard looks weird with the silver ring. May be it should be smth like this?

http://arabwars.narod.ru/Images/gerb-portugalia.gif
it used from 1495 to 1578
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/p/pt-1495.gif

[Finn MacCumhail]

Here are CAS'es http://www.ziddu.com/download/10248140/PortugalPikemanWithLongSword.rar.html

Don't be confused by their names, I had to replase existing CAS in BI folder, so, I gave them that name. Remember to assign texture to the new folder.

@plutoboyz

I forgot about the timeframe. So is it suit?

[G. Septimus]

now, let's make an AAR,
setuju?

[Cute Wolf]

what AAR....? :wink:

Ok, ok, so basically, we must rush towards alpha completion, so GSS could made our Promotional AAR :birthday2:

gogogo.... (and back for skinnin and mounting the portuguese models)

(basically made pikemen and light lancers out of them)

[Cute Wolf]

and more detailed information about javanese headgears (this photo is quite accurate, but actually that helmet are made of steel and brass, not leather, and javanese soldiers worn armour in battle)
http://img1.eyefetch.com/p/b1/1039283-bfe7a4ff-1fef-4867-a0ed-7cda56fa8193.jpg

[G. Septimus]

and more detailed information about javanese headgears (this photo is quite accurate, but actually that helmet are made of steel and brass, not leather, and javanese soldiers worn armour in battle)
http://img1.eyefetch.com/p/b1/1039283-bfe7a4ff-1fef-4867-a0ed-7cda56fa8193.jpg
like Gatot Kaca lol
https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6116/dsc0427em3.jpg
GATOTKACA UNIT!

Just kidding, okay?
the Javans do wear armour, but they don't wear shoes, not even sandals

[plutoboyz]

...
the Javans do wear armour, but they don't wear shoes, not even sandals

Sandal were used.

[G. Septimus]

Sandal were used.

oh okay, but what's with that big guy in the middle? :laugh4: just kidding

[Cute Wolf]

Portuguese Pikemen (J********r's face - don't blame me, no portuguese shown his face so far... :grin:)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/port_pikemen.jpg

Portuguese Crossbowmen (M***n's face - with beard and moustache)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/port_crossbow.jpg

Portuguese Swordsmen Militia (J********r again... with bolder beard mark)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/port_swordsmil.jpg

Dutch Pikemen (S*********Q's face)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/dutch_pikemen.jpg

Dutch Swordsmen Militia (S*********Q's face, give him beard)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/dutch_swordsmil.jpg

Dutch Crossbowmen (M***n's face)
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/dutch_crossbow.jpg

Portuguese Officer = M********e's face
Dutch Officer = F*****s' face
Crossbearer = D*****z' face

[G. Septimus]

I don't know every single person you mentioned

[Finn MacCumhail]

CW, you multiplied my Pikemen into the whole army! Great. :laugh4: But what happened to their faces?

Here is new meat! :skull:

http://www.ziddu.com/download/10302552/MusketersCrossbowmenPikeman.rar.html

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/MushketeurArtwork.jpg

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1512-22-36-35.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1512-21-45-96.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1512-20-30-95.jpg

BTW, my guilt, in early pikeman version textutre on the sword was lying badly, coz of rectangles instead of triangles. I fixed it, so you can download it from link above

[gamegeek2]

Fine, go ahead and use my face.

[Finn MacCumhail]

http://www.ziddu.com/download/10313722/halebarder.rar.html

This is halebarder. Try to gues whos face he possess.

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-45-58-40.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-44-54-50.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-43-06-29.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-35-44-89.jpg

Do you know who is it?

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/whoisit.jpg

[Skullheadhq]

Do you know who is it?

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/whoisit.jpg

No, is it some kind of male model or something? He DOES look handsome!

:clown:

[Rahwana]

good.... now where is the gunner? (wolf said he will try searching for mesh to cas converter so we could import the cannons from M2TW)

[Finn MacCumhail]

By gunner you mean cannon crew? Or a man with musket? If the second, then look above to the musketeur. If you don't like him, adding cuiras by texture would be good option. Colonial crossbowman (beggar style one) model would be good for crew.

EDIT: BTW, using berserker animation for halberder would be cool.

[Rahwana]

gunners = musketeurs... sorry

wolf allready shown me and pluto (as all of us are in Bandung :grin:) that he allready compile some animations that we'll use (using animation unpacker and repacker tool), and he allready compile most animations required and got their prerequisite permissions), he also said hat we'll use standard crossbow animations (albeit with delay), because he not yet got proper musketter's animation permission.

this animations (which I used to made the battle stat balancement)

Swordsmen :
- European arming Swords, Keris Panjang, and Pedang (two bladed swords) : fs_s1_swordsman (Signifier1's anim pack, slow, fast, and semi_fast variation also used in accordance to armour level) equal coverage in thrusting and slashing
- Scimitars, Axes, and Maces, and sickles and Kukhri : fs_s1_barbswordsman (slashing only), maximum reach covered with swings, not thursts
- Stabbing blades (short keris and kujang), also for pikemen's shortsword : fs_s1_gladius, for obvious reasons
- Shortswords : using fs_s1_swordsman for most, some units will delibrately given fs_swordsman (the one without relaxed stances), for acehnese pedeung and like swords
- Double wielded : Fs_dual, taken from FATW, great two sword animations

Spearmen:
- normal spearmen : fs_spearman
- overhead spearmen : fs_s1_hoplite
- two handed spearmen, also for pikes : fs_thp_f_spearman (EB animation)

2 Handed units: fs_2handed

and halberds will have double animation (he said to copy the weapon and get them as secondary, we allready try this with good result) : the first one will be fs_thp_f_spearmen, with light_spear attribute, so they can contain cavalry charges nicely, second animation is fs_2handed, without the light_spear attribute, so they will be better at choppin infantry off...

[Cute Wolf]

wow, thanks again Finn.... Now, I'm start the cloning process to made a full clone army of them... :thumbsup:

[G. Septimus]

http://www.ziddu.com/download/10313722/halebarder.rar.html

This is halebarder. Try to gues whos face he possess.

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-45-58-40.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-44-54-50.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-43-06-29.jpg
https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2010-06-1614-35-44-89.jpg

Do you know who is it?

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/whoisit.jpg
whoa, that looks like you Sander

[Cute Wolf]

so thanks to finn that repairs the UV map on the models, I've redone the skin and the modified models, and presenting my two day's work here :grin: - well, don't worry, this time ,I learned that the face will be better (less obvious facelifting) with much more facial hairs... so this was skullheadhq, macilrille, jebivjetar and fluvius if they don't shave properly ^^


this time, I've implemented the right animations...

Portuguese Arquebusiers
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/13c566ddae.jpg

Portuguese Knight Bodyguards (well, the horsies are actually wlesmana Knights of Dol Armroth's... because another medieval barded horses looks weird)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6870cdc9e8.jpg

Portuguese Professional Crossbowmen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/38eecaadf3.jpg

Portuguese Dismounted Knights
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/85dfc373f6.jpg

Portuguese Colonial-Garrison Swordsmen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/44cc4c5511.jpg

Portuguese Halberdiers
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6bdbabaeea.jpg

Portuguese Colonial (Horde) Pikemen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bb81f29868.jpg

Portuguese Knights
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/dddefd261f.jpg

Portuguese Pikemen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1362770ed0.jpg

VOC Armoured Swordsmen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0b54e56573.jpg

VOC Arquebusiers
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/49ddaf79b8.jpg

VOC Bodyguards (on foot, the babad told that VOC generals fought in Indonesia are usually fight the battle on foot, after some discussion, and Skullheadhq said that Dutch cavalry are mostly mercs, we decide that they will have foot bodyguards)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/17603dd897.jpg

VOC Crossbowmen (forgive me if this looks to Greek, they use Maion's face)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/990779c280.jpg

VOC Cuirassiers (the only very heavy cavalry that VOC have, their lancers didn't ride armoured horse) - didn't have lances and supposed to grind enemy battle line, not for the charge
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7b1ee3a97b.jpg

VOC Dutch Halberdiers
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a1f30c1305.jpg

VOC Merchant Swordsmen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/3247294e75.jpg

VOC Pikemen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c730d0552c.jpg

VOC Colonial (Horde) Pikemen
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/60cede0960.jpg

[Rahwana]

maybe you should finished your lastest units and skins soon, CW...

[plutoboyz]

wolf, are the cross bearer Priest? if they priest, they should bring mace instead of sword.
also, the commander's sword are too long, its looks like Zweihander.

[Cute Wolf]

wolf, are the cross bearer Priest? if they priest, they should bring mace instead of sword.
also, the commander's sword are too long, its looks like Zweihander.

is there any evidence that Christian priests cary mace here? :grin:
and BTW, there is a misconception on the Norse War clerics-ish, mace wielding priests, this is late medieval, not early medieval, and priests could carry the sword again...

[Skullheadhq]

I suggest you to look for Real Christian's face to be the Cross bearer, you don't want someone atheist insulted because they carry religious signs that they were trying to get rid of, right Fluvius?

[Rahwana]

I suggest you to look for Real Christian's face to be the Cross bearer, you don't want someone atheist insulted because they carry religious signs that they were trying to get rid of, right Fluvius?

seconded, perhaps you should not using my face as imam officers for javanese muslim units too

[Jolt]

The units look fair enoughly done.

You have a few tapestries made in the 16th Century which depict the Portuguese army, so if you want to do modifications, they are one of your best sources:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2696/4444638097_e316b70836.jpg

This site (http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/RDCollection.htm) also shows a few weaponry and armor used by Portuguese colonial troops.

As to the Portuguese skin color, it is half/half. Portuguese are a mix, but also have a lot of Arab blood. The lower classes also toiled much of the fields or on their urban labours which would make them more tanned. The Higher classes descended from the Germanic Europe, and therefore were mostly pale white, and any portait you see of the people there shows pale-white (Albeit blond people were exceedingly rare. Though the Portuguese got a decent amount of red-heads at the time. I guess the Red-heads were the blondes of that time. :P). So, depicting the Portuguese as white isn't wrong at all, considering a lot of the soldiers who went to do battle descended from the aristocratic classes and therefore the armies were tendencially white.

[Cute Wolf]

BUMP

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8c3dfbec29.jpg

Langlang Laut in melee
https://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/Oalahsonson/langlanglaut_secondary.jpg

[Nyz]

Haha, great!!! Finally you can post here after trouble uploading images... It seem that you changed the faction banner too...

[Cute Wolf]

it cost me 1 big Kebab + Hoka Hoka Bento paket C + ice cream.....

[Cute Wolf]

shirtless Tentera Kerahan Penggempur + Laskar Pemanah
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=3369&pictureid=42994

[Cute Wolf]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=3369&pictureid=43121

Malay Halberdier

[Rahwana]

It goes better and better.... (BTW, Pangawitan's attire should be lighter, but that was no problem if you put them on higher unit class and put a proper "semi-elite" stats though...)

[Cute Wolf]

It goes better and better.... (BTW, Pangawitan's attire should be lighter, but that was no problem if you put them on higher unit class and put a proper "semi-elite" stats though...)

done :thumbsup:
back to work again everyone!

[Cute Wolf]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=3369&pictureid=43757

humm... FM models and standardbearer..... (dammit, so much university work lately)

[Nyz]

It seem CW have trouble uploading the image, haha well, this is the surprise!!!

https://a.imageshack.us/img829/945/melayuroosterlongprevie.jpg

Long image of Melayu roster.

[plutoboyz]

did melaka really use pink wolf as soldier? That looks ahistorical...:clown:

[Nyz]

Do you know about a Malay folk story of Musang Berjanggut (the bearded fox)? The cute-pink one is the version of it in our MOD. Just have to add beard to it :clown:

[Rahwana]

Do you know about a Malay folk story of Musang Berjanggut (the bearded fox)? The cute-pink one is the version of it in our MOD. Just have to add beard to it :clown:

sounds like a nice addition, ok CW, gave it some beard! :clown:

[plutoboyz]

hahaha... Musang berjanggut...

[Skullheadhq]

Did the Pink Wolf will be a super unit? It seems he was ready to crush those puny archers!

[plutoboyz]

Did the Pink Wolf will be a super unit? It seems he was ready to crush those puny archers!

our, Historian have confirmed this as Tentera Musang Berjanggut(Bearded fox army):clown:
https://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4223/tenteramusang.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

Thanks... I've put it in my TWC Avatar.... :laugh4:

[Cute Wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZIlwwWzkcg

hehehe

[Finn MacCumhail]

It's alive!

http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/840.JPG

[Rahwana]

http://misteri.biz/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pocong3.jpg

[plutoboyz]

http://misteri.biz/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pocong3.jpg

that thing pulled upward with rope.

oh and the anatomy too. human will not have such weird thigh...

and its butt ridiculously huge.

oh and the feet... it was... err... tiny.

[Nyz]

It's called Pochong here...

[Cute Wolf]

right now, I and Sonic arguing about removing "run amok" ability (weakness) of elite elephants... I did suggest leaving only militia elaphants who vulnerable with run amok thingies

[plutoboyz]

right now, I and Sonic arguing about removing "run amok" ability (weakness) of elite elephants... I did suggest leaving only militia elaphants who vulnerable with run amok thingies


umm... thats kinda creepy...
how about adding its morale instead? rather than removing "run amok"

[Cute Wolf]

umm... thats kinda creepy...
how about adding its morale instead? rather than removing "run amok"

having test that, it will be weird if gajah kenaikan bodyguards going berzerk after 2 or 3 volley of javelins, or worse.... 1 volley of gun... and the hardcoded "kill rampaging elephats" ability appeared... while RTW AI never use that ability anyway, the BI AI did use it when they coming to their own troop concentration... so... did you kill your own royalty for a bunch of orang berkawal? didn't make sense to me...

morale did imporove defense against run amok probability, but that will made elephants being able to stay indefinitely in close melee as well

[Rahwana]

nonsense, we must reduce javelin damage, not making em imune to run amok (although I must admit, there is not much record of elephants being run amok, especially when used by royalty)

[Nyz]

The mahout of the Malay Royal Court, or Kejuruan Gajah / Penghulu Gajah were given high rank in Court and appointed from a very experience persons that have extensive knowledge of selecting suitable elephants and training them. So case of Royal elephants running amok were rare.

[Cute Wolf]

The mahout of the Malay Royal Court, or Kejuruan Gajah / Penghulu Gajah were given high rank in Court and appointed from a very experience persons that have extensive knowledge of selecting suitable elephants and training them. So case of Royal elephants running amok were rare.

that's why I removing the run amok trait from elite elephants

[Nyz]

that's why I removing the run amok trait from elite elephants

:2thumbsup: And I sided with CW in our argument...

[plutoboyz]

I still prefer the morale option. removing run amok ability will make the elephant immortal.

[Rahwana]

I still prefer the morale option. removing run amok ability will make the elephant immortal.

not entirely immortal though... become total nightmare is better definition... but you should take it down by sending numerous expandable levies....

[Nyz]

I still prefer the morale option. removing run amok ability will make the elephant immortal.

Is Increase moral associated with reducing running amok? I think that increase moral do prolong them in battle, but not prevent them running amok.



not entirely immortal though... become total nightmare is better definition... but you should take it down by sending numerous expandable levies....

Yes, we have pikemen and javelins to encounter the elephants...

[Rahwana]

just testing the CW's suggestion of removing run amok from elephants, the result is not too obvious, but statisfy me...

javelin are still effective to take them down
archers become worthless against them
elephant now plough through infantry like tanks, but still vulnerable by spears
they are become capable to breaking pikemen head on

[Cute Wolf]

then it was decided that only militia elephants have run amok ability ;)

[sinchan_70]

then it was decided that only militia elephants have run amok ability ;)

i agree with that, so it can be difference between elite and militia elephants.

[Nyz]

then it was decided that only militia elephants have run amok ability ;)

:shocked: Run amok is an ability? :clown: or disability?? :laugh4:

[Cute Wolf]

:shocked: Run amok is an ability? :clown: or disability?? :laugh4:

listed as ability in EDU :clown:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Great looking units!

:book::balloon2:

[Reza]

well, after eating instant noodles for 2 days, I finally have done some improvement:

1) I've made some reskinning so the soldiers are more realistic now, no more cartoon feelings, coz I'm copypasta actual garments to their skins, but maybe I'll ask jiri to refine it again... (still had some bleak spots:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1f415851ea.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0b54726e08.jpg

2) and this was the result of my recent crash course (bothering wlesmana alot on his FB page, as well as seaching modelling tutorials archieve), here we go... the Penjurit models, with square "papan" shield and javelins
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/426a17d1b1.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/51131b9266.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8dfec940a7.jpg
notice that their models are designed with more effective way of spear handling, so while the militia often break their own formations, the penjurit had longer reach and capable to maintain a solid line.

3) of course, I've made the european swordsmen militia had longer, more proper arming swords, as well round buckler instead of thureos (yes, they are thureos because I took sarmatian auxilia as base model) - note that wasn't the newest screenies, the newest skins had real european faces, but I still search a way to reduce skullheadhq's frescles... without compromising the textures
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d4ec327204.jpg


You shall replace the smilling face of the soldier with bamboo shield an spear
that will make them ridiclous

[Cute Wolf]

yes yes, We know, that's why it would be completely RE-WORKED IN JUNE

as for model quality, the modelling skills of mine is obviously improved, check the Near East Total War for sure... that's why we will re-done it again

[Reza]

Jadi selesainya kapan Mbak?
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did you set your graphic to low?