Rise Of Empire Units for HRTW

[ahowl11]

Here I will have screens of all the units from the chinese mod Rise Of Empire. Some will be included in our mod and some will just be for amusement and your own use. First, the House Of Julii:

Maybe Foderati or Germanic Auxilia YES
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Samnites in Roman Colors maybe Samnite Auxilia? YES
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This I believe is Eastern Legionary Auxilia Maybe?
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This seems to be a different skin for Legionary Cohort Maybe?
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Here is a version of Praetorian Guards but it brings us back to that debate Maybe?
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[Hamata]

cool

[ahowl11]

Some Roman Hoplites.. Did the Romans use Hoplites at this time? Maybe?
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These look nice.. Some Syrian Archers YES
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A generals unit! Maybe?
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US Assault Infantry HAHAHAHAHA these guys destroyed Carthaginian Peasants in 3 shots! NO
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This mod also has all of the original units as well but they have different shields.. what do you guys think? Next, the Scipii and Brutii

[ahowl11]

There were no newer units for the Brutii or Senate but there 3 for the Scipii

Another type of Roman Cavalry i'm guessing, would have to make into roman colors Maybe?
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Uhhh.. Roman Chariots? Unless there was proof in battle, I don't think so. They look cool though NO
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Roman Elephants? Same as the chariots... NO
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Next Up, Macedon!

[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Maybe Foderati or Germanic Auxilia YES

We should make this an AOR unit, maybe as mercenaries


Samnites in Roman Colors maybe Samnite Auxilia? YES

Isn't this already in Rome Total War?


This I believe is Eastern Legionary Auxilia Maybe?

This unit brings up the Lorica Segementata issue. Maybe we can make a Lorica Hamata Legionary available across the entire empire, and the Segmentata Legionary available only in Rome.


This seems to be a different skin for Legionary Cohort Maybe?

See above, and the Legionary would probably have to lose the green leggings


Here is a version of Praetorian Guards but it brings us back to that debate Maybe?

I don't really like the Praetorians (as a unit), but they should be in our game. I would also have to check the historical accuracy of those units

For the second batch of units


Some Roman Hoplites.. Did the Romans use Hoplites at this time? Maybe?

No they did not. Although mercenaries and auxiliaries may have used Hoplite formations


These look nice.. Some Syrian Archers YES

Only late in the game, perhaps as AOR unit.

And the Generals looks alright

[ahowl11]

Could we make an auxillary hoplite unit? Here is Macedon:

Macedonian Hoplites NO
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A New type of Phalanx Unit YES
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Macedonian Armoured Hoplites NO
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I believe this is Allied Pikemen YES
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This Looks Like a Palace or Royal Guard of Some sort YES
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[Hamata]

Well we could rename the roman hoplites to early triarii that's what eb basicaley did

[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Well we could rename the roman hoplites to early triarii that's what eb basicaley did

We are not doing that. We are sticking with Polybian units.

And maybe the Romans could train Auxiliary Phalangites or Auxilliary Hoplites in Hellenistic areas. But then that brings up a whole host of issues.

[ahowl11]

very true.. could you review the Macedonian Units i posted?

Macedonian Companion Cavalry YES
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[ahowl11]

This Unit would be Elite Pikemen YES
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Thracian or Illyrian Infantry? YES
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Thracian Peltasts YES
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Some Thracian Light Cavalry? YES
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Royal Squadron? Yes
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Next: Egypt!

[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Well we will have to credit the author for his work, and try to change each unit as well.

Also, most of these units are Phalangites. For Phalangites, we need to have a small shield (or peltast-type shields) , and two hands on the Sarissa. Also, different units will need to have different types of hemets (so some have the basic cone helmet while others have the Phygrian helmet


Macedonian Hoplites NO

These seem to be marginally more historical than the RTW Phalangites, but the shield is too large. The phalanx formation also seems to be smaller than the phalanx of the other pictures. I don't think we should have this without much changing.


A New type of Phalanx Unit YES

We should definitely have this, if with a bit of reskinning or resizing


Macedonian Armoured Hoplites NO

You are correct, we should not have these units without major changing.


I believe this is Allied Pikemen YES

The helmet looks good, but once again the shield needs to be smaller

This Looks Like a Palace or Royal Guard of Some sort YES

These were the Hypaspists (sp?) and they would not fight as Phalangites (they would have pretty much different armour as well). The helmet is good, and we could use it for the other troops.

Edit: Second batch of troops.


Macedonian Companion Cavalry YES

Maybe, the helmet/armour/weapon appears to be alright. We could use the RTW unit, they look very similar.


This Unit would be Elite Pikemen YES

We could use them, but they would need lighter armour. I do not think the Phalangites fought with heavy armour. This Unit would be Elite Pikemen YES


Thracian or Illyrian Infantry? YES

Maybe, if those factions were semi barbaric, they might have used mail or no body armour.

The rest can go in

[ahowl11]

Today I will finish all of the units.. there will be some fantasy ones that we will not need to use.

Egyptian Spearmen NO
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Egyptian Sicklemen NO
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Elite Sicklemen NO
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Dog Warriors? I believe it represents an Egyptian God NO
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Chariot Dog Warriors NO
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The first three units are historical but were obviously from an earlier time frame, so they would be good for Vanilla RTW but not for HRTW. The last two can be used for fantasy mods

Seleucid Empire Next

[ahowl11]

Some Seleucid Legionaires. I like them because they are more accurate for the timeframe YES
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Some Seleucid Legionaire Archers?? Unless they existed I say NO
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Maybe Bithynian Cavalry? YES
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Carthage is next.. if you are viewing this and you wanna review, be my guest:)

Carthaginian Scutarii Nice! YES
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Carthaginian Hastati??? Weird huh? NO
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[Lord President of Gallifrey]

The legionaries look good, and the rest of your choices are correct

Edit: For Carthage, Hannibal did use Roman armour for his soldiers due to the amount of dead Romans. But we should not have Carthaginian Hastati.

I think we should have the Carthaginian Scutarii, since Carthage did use Iberian infantry. However, they should only be AOR units.

This also begs the question, how far do we go with the AOR system?

[ahowl11]

Some Libyan Spearmen.. we can make them Punic Spearmen or something YES
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Carthaginian Bull Warriors? We aren't even having Spanish Bull Warriors NO
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Another version of Sacred Band, but with Corinthian Helmets Maybe?
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Archers! Don't they look nice? YES
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Parthia is next

Armoured Spearmen. Good unit for Atropatene, needs its own UI YES
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[ahowl11]

The Immortals from 300!!!! Haha NO
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Real Immortals, were they around? Maybe?
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Archers. I am pretty sure Parthia doesnt have them in vanilla YES
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Mede Cavalry? YES
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Mede Horse Archers? YES
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Some good units here for Atropatene!! Gauls are next

[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Some Libyan Spearmen.. we can make them Punic Spearmen or something YES

We would have to change it for sure...the shield and armour look weird.


Another version of Sacred Band, but with Corinthian Helmets Maybe?

I'm not sure, but we have to change the phalanx style to a different one. We might have to change the rest of the equipment though


Archers! Don't they look nice? YES

Don't we already have Carthaginian archers?


Armoured Spearmen. Good unit for Atropatene, needs its own UI YES

Its in phalanx formation so we will need to edit that.

For the next set of units.

No immortals

We could have archers, but we also need slingers

As for the cavalry, we could have them, but i'm not sure if they were around when the game starts. The Parthians had very heavy cavalry, and light cavalry, so since Media became part of Parthia, the horsemen need less armour. The other cavalry could become a "medium" cavalry rather than a heavy one

[ahowl11]

Some Celtic Spearmen? Too medieval looking so.. NO
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Gallic Swordsmen YES
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Elite Swordsmen YES
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Two Handed Swordsmen. Again Too Medieval NO
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Head Hunters? Good unit except for the head in their hands. Maybe?
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Gallic Chariots. I like it, but they need UI. YES
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[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Gallic Swordsmen YES

Yes, and we might need to slightly edit the helmet plume colour.


Elite Swordsmen YES

The helmet needs to be changed, but we could use it.


Head Hunters? Good unit except for the head in their hands. Maybe?

This is more of a Briton unit, but even then I doubt the historical accuracy of head hurling units


Gallic Chariots. I like it, but they need UI. YES

No, I believe only the British used Chariots. In Gaul, chariots were more of a battlefield transportation

[ahowl11]

Gallic Noble Cavalry YES
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Now on to the Germans

Vikings.. hahahahaha! Vikings vs Legions lol NO
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Germanic Swordsmen YES
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Archer Warband YES
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Next: Britons

Brittanic Spearmen, again too medieval NO
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Romano-British Infantry, would be good for BI NO
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[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Gallic Noble Cavalry YES

Vikings.. hahahahaha! Vikings vs Legions lol NO

Germanic Swordsmen YES

Archer Warband YES

Brittanic Spearmen, again too medieval NO

Romano-British Infantry, would be good for BI NO



Correct, on all counts although the armour of the Gallic cavalry will have to change--either no armour or mail.

[ahowl11]

Scottish Archers... i dont think so.. NO
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Women Warriors from the Movie King Arthur NO
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Briton Longbowmen NO
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Briton Cavalry YES
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Romano-British Cavalry NO
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Briton Noble Infantry YES
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Armenians are next

[ahowl11]

Armenian Legionaires YES
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Armenian Cavalry YES
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Cataphract Horse Archers YES
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Dacians are next

[Lord President of Gallifrey]

Most of your selections are correct:

1. Keep in mind that Briton Cavalry would be similar to Gallic Cavalry
2. Briton Noble infantry needs to lose that helmet
3.I don't think Armenian Cavalry is correct---an axe?
4. Armenian Legionnaires are alright as long as that isn't Lorica Segmentata

[Hamata]

Any thing else?

[ahowl11]

when i have time i will continue

[Iolaos]

I like the idea of different auxilia, though they need hamata. I think allow training of both segmantata and hamata legionaries anywhere, and instead give pro/cons. this might include cost, armour, speed, and such. I don't like the Praets. Though..... Maybe make the praet the general. Rome didn't use hoplites during republic/empire. They got rid of them in the kingdom/early republic era. No assualt infantry? D: I wanna shoot at the chariots though. Roman chariots? I don't believe rome hadd chariots, except maybe as a special thing, like for generals. Rome did in fact have elephants, but general only used them for shock and awe against northern barbarians. So I think it should be a mercanary unit from the far eastern provinces. We should have different cavalry for rome, but no legionary cavalry or "roman cavalry". Maybe an auxillia cavalry named roman cavalry, but generally citizen cavalry was only to skirmish, and not effective.


sorry if I'm breaking in with already stated info, or if I'm bringing back dead thoughts, I'm still reading up on the mod :bucktooth: