The titles of the faction leaders

[zweihander]

Some of the titles of the faction leaders in PMTW is not so historical accurate, I suggest to do some changes below, and this is a thread for further discussion of this topic:

Bavaria:
The leader title of Bavaria in PMTW is 'Elector', As the Duke of Bavaria became an Elector in 1623, I suggest to change the Bavaria title to 'Duke' in the early campaign. (the second campaign starts at 1572, which is close to 1623, and it is impossible to change the title during a game, I prefer to to keep the 'Elector' in the second campaign)

Hessen:
Hesse-Kassel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgraviate_of_Hesse-Kassel) is a Landgraviate rather than a Duchy , 'Landgrave' would be the more appropriate title than 'Duke'.

Florence/Tuscany:
The Duchy of Florence became the the Grand Duchy of Tuscany in 1569, as the second campaign starts at 1572, I suggest to change the faction name of Florence to Tuscany and change the leader title from 'Duke' to 'Grand Duke'

[cegorach]

All very sensible, actually something which should be there from the beginning...

Do you think you could propose some historical heroes? If you have a look in the files this thing is rather easy to add, but requires knowledge I do not have.

There are plenty of factions with many or very many commanders, but minor factions usually suffer from neglect/lack of knowledge/poor research.

[zweihander]

Do you think you could propose some historical heroes? If you have a look in the files this thing is rather easy to add, but requires knowledge I do not have.

There are plenty of factions with many or very many commanders, but minor factions usually suffer from neglect/lack of knowledge/poor research.

I don't think so... It is easy to get a full Monarch list of a faction from Wikipedia, but to military commanders of the minor factions, too hard I think...

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Well, off-topic but I think it doesn't worth to start a new thread to ask this:

How to change the succession system of a faction?
1, Is it possible to make The Knights (of St.John) and the Livonian Order have no prince, and the new Grand Master will be elected from the general?
2, Is it possible to make Poland's succession system like Habsburg(HRE)--has princes, but the new monarch will elected from generals if there is no available prince?

[Stazi]

How to change the succession system of a faction?
1, Is it possible to make The Knights (of St.John) and the Livonian Order have no prince, and the new Grand Master will be elected from the general?
2, Is it possible to make Poland's succession system like Habsburg(HRE)--has princes, but the new monarch will elected from generals if there is no available prince?

AFAIK it's hardcoded and related to a certain faction. If you declare faction e.g.: as the FN_GERMAN_HRE you get the succession system, as the FN_07 (Vikings) you get raid system (boarding ships without port), as FN_BYZANTINE you get +2 stars for your royal family, etc.

[cegorach]

Yes, some stuff is hardcoded.


BTW Anyone tried to import VI factions to the main campaign?

Vikings would be great for Barbary coast pirates - plus this way we could get one or two factions to use in the main campaign. Perhaps even in ALL eras - that could be so wonderful.

[Stazi]

BTW Anyone tried to import VI factions to the main campaign?

Vikings would be great for Barbary coast pirates - plus this way we could get one or two factions to use in the main campaign. Perhaps even in ALL eras - that could be so wonderful.
Yes. As I said if you declare Barbary coast pirates as FN_07 they won't need ports to board and move their armies wherever their ships are. Of course, their general behavior depends on chosen AI type.

[Stazi]

It reminded me of something. Another hardcoded faction is FN_GOLDEN_HORDE. As we know they appear in 1231 in Khazar, Volga Bulgaria and few others provinces. When I was working on Middle-Earth mod I've modified the MTW "exe" and changed the date to TA 1856 to simulate Wainriders invasion. Just mention this if someone would like to push modifications that far.

[cegorach]

It reminded me of something. Another hardcoded faction is FN_GOLDEN_HORDE. As we know they appear in 1231 in Khazar, Volga Bulgaria and few others provinces. When I was working on Middle-Earth mod I've modified the MTW "exe" and changed the date to TA 1856 to simulate Wainriders invasion. Just mention this if someone would like to push modifications that far.


Wow, so it is possible to modify the .exe file so far? Can other events be modified/added?

I think we could use a couple, hell - a dozen or more, but even one could be extremely useful.

Sadly we won't need the Golden Horde entry event - the list of the factions is full and all factions should be available to play in campaigns from the beginning.



Faction 07 would be useful for the Pirates, so we can use it in their place.

[zweihander]

All very sensible, actually something which should be there from the beginning...

Do you think you could propose some historical heroes? If you have a look in the files this thing is rather easy to add, but requires knowledge I do not have.

There are plenty of factions with many or very many commanders, but minor factions usually suffer from neglect/lack of knowledge/poor research.

Alright, I found it EU2-FTG and its mods have some data about the military heros of various factions, please tell me which factions' heros do you need and I will check if there are something useful in EU2.

For example, here is the Military Leader file of Brandenburg in WATKABAOI mod:


historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2143 }
category = general
name = "Casimir"
startdate = {
year=1499
}
deathdate = {
year=1527
}
rank = 0
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 1
remark = "Hohenzollern. Margrave, Ansbach branch"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2144 }
category = general
name = "Georg"
startdate = {
year=1527
}
deathdate = {
year=1543
}
rank = 0
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
remark = "Brother of Casimir"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2145 }
category = general
name = "Alcibiades"
startdate = {
year=1543
}
deathdate = {
year=1557
}
rank = 1
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 4
siege = 1
remark = "Son of Casimir"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2146 }
category = monarch
name = "Johann Georg"
startdate = {
year=1544
}
deathdate = {
year=1598
}
rank = 0
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 3
siege = 1
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2272 }
category = monarch
name = "Georg Wilhelm"
startdate = {
year=1620
}
deathdate = {
year=1635
}
rank = 0
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
remark = "Kurfurst"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2102 }
category = monarch
name = "Friedrich Wilhelm"
startdate = {
year=1630
}
deathdate = {
year=1660
}
rank = 0
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
remark = "King"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2275 }
category = general
name = "von Sparr"
startdate = {
year=1645
}
deathdate = {
year=1656
}
rank = 2
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 2
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2274 }
category = general
name = "von Derfflinger"
startdate = {
year=1654
}
deathdate = {
year=1678
}
rank = 1
movement = 3
fire = 4
shock = 3
siege = 2
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2310 }
category = general
name = "Hessen-Homburg"
startdate = {
year=1670
}
deathdate = {
year=1678
}
rank = 3
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 4
siege = 2
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2273 }
category = monarch
name = "Friedrich I"
startdate = {
year=1685
}
deathdate = {
year=1705
}
rank = 0
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
remark = "King"
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2103 }
category = general
name = "von Dessau"
startdate = {
year=1690
}
deathdate = {
year=1722
}
rank = 0
movement = 4
fire = 4
shock = 4
siege = 3
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2104 }
category = general
name = "von Kyau"
startdate = {
year=1720
}
deathdate = {
year=1750
}
rank = 5
movement = 1
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2105 }
category = general
name = "von Schulenburg"
startdate = {
year=1725
}
deathdate = {
year=1770
}
rank = 6
movement = 4
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2106 }
category = general
name = "von Gessler"
startdate = {
year=1735
}
deathdate = {
year=1745
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2107 }
category = general
name = "Schwerin"
startdate = {
year=1720
}
deathdate = {
year=1750
}
rank = 0
movement = 4
fire = 4
shock = 4
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2108 }
category = general
name = "Lehwald"
startdate = {
year=1735
}
deathdate = {
year=1760
}
rank = 5
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 1
siege = 1
}
historicalleader = {
category = monarch
id = { type = 6 id = 2109 }
name = "Friedrich II"
startdate = {
year=1740
}
deathdate = {
year=1780
}
rank = 0
movement = 6
fire = 6
shock = 6
siege = 1
remark = "Not Impetuous - Rank B turn 50"
}
historicalleader = {
category = general
id = { type = 6 id = 2110 }
name = "Heinrich"
startdate = {
year=1745
}
deathdate = {
year=1765
}
rank = 2
movement = 4
fire = 3
shock = 5
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
category = general
id = { type = 6 id = 2111 }
name = "Seydlitz"
startdate = {
year=1745
}
deathdate = {
year=1770
}
rank = 3
movement = 4
fire = 1
shock = 6
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
category = general
id = { type = 6 id = 2112 }
name = "Ferdinand"
startdate = {
year=1750
}
deathdate = {
year=1775
}
rank = 4
movement = 3
fire = 4
shock = 4
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
category = general
id = { type = 6 id = 2113 }
name = "Finck"
startdate = {
year=1755
}
deathdate = {
year=1770
}
rank = 8
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
category = general
id = { type = 6 id = 2114 }
name = "Dohna"
startdate = {
year=1755
}
deathdate = {
year=1790
}
rank = 6
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 3
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 2115 }
category = general
name = "Ziethen"
startdate = {
year=1760
}
deathdate = {
year=1795
}
rank = 7
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
}

# ships

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80280 }
category = admiral
name = "Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = october
year = 1684
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1693
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80281 }
category = admiral
name = "Goldener L鰓e"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = april
year = 1678
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1681
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80282 }
category = admiral
name = "Roter L鰓e"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = may
year = 1678
}
enddate = {
day = 31
month = july
year = 1690
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80283 }
category = admiral
name = "Wappen von Brandenburg"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = june
year = 1678
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1692
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

# flagship
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80284 }
category = admiral
name = "Markgraf von Brandenburg"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = june
year = 1680
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1697
}
rank = 0
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80285 }
category = admiral
name = "Kurprinz von Brandenburg"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = june
year = 1679
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1693
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80286 }
category = admiral
name = "Chur Prinz"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = june
year = 1682
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1694
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 80287 }
category = admiral
name = "Morian"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = april
year = 1679
}
enddate = {
day = 1
month = november
year = 1695
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 2
shock = 2
dormant = yes
}


Leaders of the Livonian Order in AGCEEP mod:

#Livonian Order - Leaders

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#XV century

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078300 }
category = general
name = "C. von Rutenberg" #Cysse von Rutenberg
startdate = {
year = 1419
}
deathdate = {
year = 1424
}
rank = 1
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078301 }
category = general
name = "H. Scharpenberg" #Henning Scharpenberg
startdate = {
year = 1424
}
deathdate = {
year = 1448
}
rank = 2
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078302 }
category = monarch
name = "Heinrich IV Vinke"
startdate = {
year = 1438
}
deathdate = {
year = 1450
}
rank = 0
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078303 }
category = monarch
name = "Walther II" #Walther II von Plettenberg
startdate = {
year = 1484
}
deathdate = {
year = 1535
}
rank = 0
movement = 4
fire = 4
shock = 2
siege = 1
dormant = no
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#XVI century

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078304 }
category = general
name = "Jesper Linde"
startdate = {
year = 1509
}
deathdate = {
year = 1524
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078305 }
category = general
name = "J. von der Recke" #Johann von der Recke
startdate = {
year = 1534
}
deathdate = {
year = 1573
}
rank = 1
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no
remark = "Future Grossmeister of Order."
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 078306 }
category = general
name = "W. von Brandenburg" #Wilhelm von Brandenburg
startdate = {
year = 1539
}
deathdate = {
year = 1563
}
rank = 1
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no
remark = "Margrave of Brandenburg."
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#First free id: 078307

[Stazi]

Wow, so it is possible to modify the .exe file so far? Can other events be modified/added?

I think we could use a couple, hell - a dozen or more, but even one could be extremely useful.

Sadly we won't need the Golden Horde entry event - the list of the factions is full and all factions should be available to play in campaigns from the beginning.


Except 1231 Golden Horde event, I nailed another 8 including Compass Rose. It's a bit time consuming task but I'm sure more can be found. Of course, they will need some testing, especially ones that directly influence campaign map (possible situation when event's target province doesn't exist). I'll send you an example EXE soon.

[cegorach]

Except 1231 Golden Horde event, I nailed another 8 including Compass Rose. It's a bit time consuming task but I'm sure more can be found. Of course, they will need some testing, especially ones that directly influence campaign map (possible situation when event's target province doesn't exist). I'll send you an example EXE soon.


Right now I cannot really test anything until I separate what was added when, throw a clean copy and install 1.5 out there.

It is better and more effecient to describe what was achieved and with what event.

If the event in question cannot be changed (its effects, features, whatever) we could at least find some use for it, change the description and change the info_picture.


BTW How many events can be used for building/unit requirements? That would be very, very useful for military reforms which should never be available too early yet there is no way to limit it.

Several buildings could use the same event as requirement, so the more the better, but even 3 could be enough.
See? Answering thise questions requires some testing, which I cannot do anyway, so it is considerably better to discuss a feature instead of sending me a file.

[Stazi]

I've finally identified 68 events which dates can be freely changed. Many of them use the same art so there are a bit limited in use. Two the most important are Compass Rose and Gunpowder which can be added as restrictions in BUILD_PROD file. There are still 3 or 4 events which depend on more triggers than just a year or their appearance is random so they are hard to localize. I'll make a summary of what I found soon.

[cegorach]

Great! This means at least two events can affect the way provinces are developed.

I think its best use is for military reforms which in turn can be set as requirements for other structures.

Other events could be used depending on Stazi's review.

As long as we can change their description we can use at least some of those e.g. different events, but with similar outcomes.