Yellow Cards

[Papewaio]

Justice should be swift and seen to be done.

Swift yes.
Yellow card is one method of making it seen.

But I would like to understand why each little one is there. If the yellow cards are there to be seen by all ,not just the poster, then it would seem logical that we understand how people get them so we to can avoid doing it ourselves.

It does not make sense to make an example of someone without the example. If the deterrent value of a punishment is to function the action that is trying to be deterred has to be known to all.

Also I would like to understand the graduation of cards. What one means, two, three etc.

Justice is best served when we can read not just the code of laws but the punishments associated with them. Without seeing the punishments it means we have to make individual value judgements based on our individual common sense what is a crime and the various levels of it. At the moment I do not know if I am littering in Singapore or Aus (one place you can get canned for the other a fine).

Harsh Justice or Light Justice. It has to be applied across the board with an even hand. It also needs to be understood why it was done.

Wisdom will be gained for all knowing the most important question of all is answered why?

Firm, Fair and Wise.

I know our moderators and admin are very capable at this. I just want to understand if there is a higher reason not to publish the reasons for a punishment.

[Magyar Khan]

imo each punishment should be guided with an explanation. i think some card my chamP (a mod misusing a name himself) got were not solely based on pure justice but also a mods own feeling. and that is wrong.

i see people misusing others names like "Kocomoc" -on purpose- and i didnt see any yellow card for the guy who did this. why? cuz he is a senior member? its like the banning stuff we faced. one side banning was stupid, are we now subject to one side chipping? kenchi-mods and friends vs anti-Terrasists? I dont know but some yellow cards my messenger got were out of line. I can safely say that more people noticed this. And without me "commanding" Dion to post about it he did it himself.

some things are still decided by classjustice "we are good, they are baaahhaaad". I cant help a wolf has 4 legs but sheeps have 4 legs as well.

[Magyar Khan]

maybe a suggestions, make the yellow card clickable to the bad post. so we all can read what the other have done wrong.

[Papewaio]

Magyar Khan I am not debating if it is fair in any particular case. I just wish to know what is happening and why or at the least the idea why it seems to be half implemented from a patron awareness perspective.

I must admit though that it is curiosity with what is happening with your Cham that is one of the primary reasons. As well as seeing more of the yellow squares forming under patrons who I have thought to be very reasonable (as in more reasonable then I so I am wondering when I will cross the line in one of my rants?).

As it is it looks like Cham is being sponsored by the manufactures of Post Its... which kind of makes sense as he is the messenger after all.

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Papewaio @ Dec. 04 2002,06:20)]As it is it looks like Cham is being sponsored by the manufactures of Post Its... which kind of makes sense as he is the messenger after all.
rofl LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[MagyarKhans Cham]

Sorry Khan i am trying hard not to disrupt the community but things have changed so fast over a short period of time i need more time to adapt. I see many countries and sights. this forum come close to Signapore so to speak. spitting is 2 months jail, while in china i get jailed when u dont spit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[TosaInu]

This hasn't changed: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/Rules.shtml

[tootee]

Quote[/b] (MagyarKhans Cham @ Dec. 04 2002,17:13)]this forum come close to Signapore so to speak. spitting is 2 months jail,
You got the spelling wrong.. its Singapore, and no.. spitting wont land you in jail, just a max fine of S$5000.

Are you sure you've been there before?

PS: btw no chewing gum please.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

Tosa i dont know what u are up to with that link, my yellow card should go along with some explanations where when what besides some vague chipthrowing at the orgs dominions.

in fact i want a full explanation for each chip, and i allow u and the staff to post it in here chip by chip.

tootee
5000 dollar or 2 months jail. hard to choose. maybe i have old data on signapore, allow me to get Bushy... isnt signapore a province of australia? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[tootee]

I don't know what you are aiming at Magy, but if you are trying to flame me you should better be more outright about it.

I am a quiet mod.. and I wouldn't change that for you Magy. I have shown pretty much respect for you, so you better do the same to me.

It is Singapore not Signapore, thank you.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

well we better stop it tootee, for me it seems u are also trying to see only certain points in my posts. i was gambling on sinGapore cuz teh few things i know about it is that the punishmenst for the simpliest things are a bit high for someone who lives in holland.

but lets return to teh subject. imo i have the right to know where. what how i got those yellow cards. teh card of my khan was explained by "a" staffmember. i would like to see mine explained as well. i do not have to know who gave them cuz i have enuf imagination for that.

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3 yellow cards
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name post.
explain whats got wrong linked to teh org rules.

that isnt much to asked. if this isnt answered than i will take it if some are out to get me, i have seen others posting more obstructive things and just a few of them got a card.

read my signature.

[Mithrandir]

If we warn a person ,we also get a chance & oppurtunity, and a urgent request to do so, to mail/PM what the person has done wrong. I know that there were a few chips handed out for trying to cause a flamewar, and a few for outright spamming ,even after being warned (without chip). As it is now, there is only a punishment after 5 chips, when you get the 5th, 1st you've been a very bad boy, and second : you get banned. Chips aren't "to set an example" so no chips are handed out without good reason. They are here ,not to punish people publicly, but to remind them to behave themselves.


Quote[/b] ]read my signature.

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I gallop messages around, dont track me I can bring war as well

Tell me then, what point should we see in that?

[MagyarKhans Cham]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif

oops forgot almost teh smilies

[solypsist]

Quote[/b] ]Tosa i dont know what u are up to with that link, my yellow card should go along with some explanations where when what besides some vague chipthrowing at the orgs dominions.
in fact i want a full explanation for each chip, and i allow u and the staff to post it in here chip by chip.


When I sent warnings to you, MagyarKhans Cham I also gave the explanation, and the warning carries a link to the offending thread, so don't act like you don't understand and that these yellow chips are suddenly showing up for no reason.
If you feel it's the whole forum's business to know why you were warned, then feel free to cut and paste your warnings, with the links and in their entirety, and post them in your own Animal Farm forums for debate.

[Shahed]

Question:

So once you got 5 cards are you banned for good ?

[solypsist]

no, you just can't post until they are removed. which in some cases is the same as being banned.

[Magyar Khan]

i am a messenger of my Cham now....

"well Solypisty, are you sure all my cards are guided by such a explanation or just the one you gave me?

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edit smilies must include the "

[Magyar Khan]

I assume my Cham or Yam got a yellow card in this thread

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....90;st=0 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=2990;st=0)
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Toranaga posted this
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Your distasteful and offensive, is there a forum where I can continually whine about that fact at EVERY opportunity??

Sheesh, get off it already

...and awayyyyy wee goooo....

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My cham reacted on this with this
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"u have some problems toranagama? who payed u to bug me? u whine about whiners?"

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http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=3037 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=3037)
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soly posted this in here
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"The yellow chips are warnings; there are penalties for each successive increase. Warnings are given for Org rules violations, which of course can be read at the beginning of each forum. I won't go into any more detail, since it's no one's business how/why MagyarChamp has been warned, nor would I like to give him any more publicity about the matter."


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Now can anyone tell me why a moderator can misuse the name of my Cham or Yam and give a yellow card for the post he made like stated above? My messengers post was just a reaction on toras post who obvious got a yellow card himself.

Does this mean that if u get offended by someone and the mods dont see it that u have to email them and urge for a card for someone else?

Many questions and still no real answers besides vagueness.

I suggest that the org staff stays correct and dont carry their feelings from teragate into everey other posts my cham makes for me.

[Magyar Khan]

Hi mith i must have missed your posts earlier. ur correct in everything. but shouldnt all members, even staff members be punished the same way.

I have seen members of a particular clan trying to cause a flamewar, do they got a chippy?

In dutch, gelijke monniken gelijke kappen, freely translated four legs is good and 2 legs is also good.

[Mithrandir]

Quote[/b] (Magyar Khan @ Dec. 04 2002,14:31)]Hi mith i must have missed your posts earlier. ur correct in everything. but shouldnt all members, even staff members be punished the same way.

I have seen members of a particular clan trying to cause a flamewar, do they got a chippy?

In dutch, gelijke monniken gelijke kappen, freely translated four legs is good and 2 legs is also good.
As you know, I'm completely neutral when it comes to clans, I've only warned one person so far, which was for trying to get a flame war. Don't know if he belongs to any clan and frankly dont care. All I know is that if you screw up bad, you can expect a warning and it's clear to me that certain people with 3 chips, wont give names though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif, certainly did deserve one or 2 of them, meaning that I don't read every single post on this board.I'm sure that other mods are equally neutral, esp. when it comes to clans.

If you feel someone is trying to cause a flamewar, anyone of any clan, please contact one of the moderators, or post a link below and we'll take action if need be.

-Mithrandir-

[Magyar Khan]

but mith how are warnings given, in teh certain posts or are they emailed to u? i remember for my own card that a staffmember posted in some post in my controlpanel or somewhere else above in my screen of thsi forum, which i found by accident btw. as i remember well it said something like new posts:1, maybe i am wrong.

so now i am trying to guess what soly ment when he said that he SENT warnings to me. where and what did he sent where? besides the one my cham found in some topic.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Rest assured that if you receive a warning from a moderator, you will also receive an email as to why. The offender is not publically reprimanded because confronting/ embarrassing people in public only tends to make them defensive and sometimes belligerent. It also encourages some offenders to "strut upon the stage" and show off in front of their colleagues. The private message is meant as a courtesy, a man to man talk. I have had private talks with several patrons to date about certain degrees of transgressions in the Tavern.
Their identities and the topics discussed are no one else's business, no one's at all. As Soly stated, if one wishes to cut and paste the private messages between moderator and patron, then go ahead. We're not out to embarrass or humiliate anyone. We also have nothing to hide nor seek any agenda, none but civil and respectful discourse on this board. It does make me wonder though, why some would want to air their private discussions with a moderator in public? What could that persons agenda possibly be? I think most can read between those lines eh?

If ones true intentionsare to play well and get along well with others, then there is nothing to worry about. However, if the opposite is the case, then it's on you. Moderators don't ban patrons, patrons ban themselves. A patron is in total control of the situation, their conduct and intent, as it applies to the forum rules, determines what happens to their membership on this board.

[Magyar Khan]

well i must be stupid or something but do u or dont u get some guidance why ur chipped?

of teh 4 chips i know off i myself got one private post, although partly filled with nonsense but alas and my cham got 3 where he could find just for one, some sort of an explanation.

can someone explain for what my messenger got teh other 2 chips? teh ones who penalised him should certainly remember where he got them from.

[Swoosh So]

Should i post? maybe not but i will, Im sick of all this SHIT are you all boys or men? It plain to my eyes what this is all about that stupid thing with tera Get over it anyways the whole affair was hardly magyars fault, If you bare grudges you are not fit to moderate a forum Just my opinion, im losing alot of respect i had for peeps and im losing it fast

Well thats my rant over but give it a rest will yous, spelling singapore wrong? see what im talking about , i can bring war as well? whats that supposed to mean??? sheesh petty childish attempts to start arguements


Swooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

[tootee]

Please Swoosh, I wonder who is the one who isnt getting over with Tera gate affair. It's being ages to me since I last heard anything about it.. why bring it up again out of the blue? Oh.. sorry.. you didnt start it I just notice... tot you were still bearing grudges.

Maybe your country name is shit to you swoosh, but I take great honour in it. If its misspell 3 times, I dont see it as an innocent typo but deliberally to flame me... that is how I see it. Maybe Magy is using me to get back at .Org? Sorry then but wrong target cos I'm no admin.. just a little mod at JF. Anywhere else I'm just a junior patron like you and many others. And like many others I dont give a damn what other do or say. But you cross my limit by insulting my country. Period.

I will rest my case. You be the judge. Good day.

EDIT: spelling

[Swoosh So]

I insult your country?

[Swoosh So]

sorry double post

[tootee]

Sorry Swoosh.. not you.. by 'you' I meant Magy.. thus my 2nd post is strongly-worded.

You are still a very nice lady in my record.

[Papewaio]

I think the problem was with Signapore instead of Singapore.

Then after being told the correct spelling 'isnt signapore a province of australia?http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif'.

Also I don't think Solypisty in bold instead of solypsist would be a favourable mistake.

Combine that with teh instead of the and grammer differences to the norm and the best case scenario is that the Cham is Dyslexic.

[Swoosh So]

Who is the most senior peep in this site? why dont you discuss with the parties involved to try to find a solution?

Swooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

[Hosakawa Tito]

All one needs to know about interpersonal relationship skills should have been learned in kindergarten (around age 5). We are all human, and occassionally make public faux pas. That is not the issue. Persistent, determined, sniping with the intent to create a hostile atmosphere is, and will not be condoned. Magy, if you cannot figure out how to talk and act toward others by this stage in your life, I don't think anyone here can possibly help you. People that want respect must also give respect in return.
It's quite simple really.

[Swoosh So]

Hoskawa my point is that its coming from both sides, and yes you are right its kindergarden stuff from BOTH sides http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[MagyarKhans Cham]

one of my last messages from my khan in here?


"well swoosh and tootee better stay out of it.

tootee if for u your names country spelling is worht the debate u express in here than i am sure u will face many hardships with it. its the same way teragate escalated while everyone started taking sides without hear and counterhear. at first i was neutral but facing such injustice make me line up with teh "small".

consider that my cham is much more creative to upset u if he wants too than just misspelling signapore and singapore or singapoor or whatever.

and now we see the same happening. people ask themselves for what my cham got all those yellow cards. sofar i traced one back which was fair to give in relative to teh "new" rules.

but what about teh other 2? my questions in earlier threads arent answers yet.

tootee if u get penalised in your country than at least u are told what u did wrong, or do they only point at the lawbooks and say "its somewhere in there"?

the org staff have a whip in the form of a chip and like to whip around with it. at least tell and explain why u whip and above all use the whip to others as well causing teh same trouble. soly for example misused my cham names several times, so i assume my cham didnt get a chip for misusing other ones names. and if u watch his posts carefully he mostly/only reacts on other mans posts.

furthermore its funny to notice that when a discussion gets up teh actual questions being asked by teh topicstarter or others in a topic, directed to teh staff, the poinst are kept vague or avoided.

and my cham isnt dislexic, its just that he types with 2 fingers and one of his hand is faster than teh other. like myself."

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Dec. 05 2002,09:11)]Should i post? maybe not but i will,
Lol i knew it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Ok ill bow out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[MagyarKhans Cham]

seems posting here requires knowledge about the games "ancient history" in all facets. when u come online your khan can update u if u want. u still look a bit pale swooshy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Swoosh So]

Its the make-up of the period magyar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Theres no mongolian pics for the girls http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[tootee]

Magy, I dont give a damn to you whinning, or anybody whinning for that matter.. nor about Teragate affairs, and most know it. I dont give a dime about the yellow cards, whois right whois wrong.. damned.. not my f**king biz either.

Do whatever you want.. I dont care. Seek your justice. But please leave me out it. The first time I know its typo and I just point it out that my country spelling is wrong. And the next time you purposefully repeat the typo to spite me.. it just show how rude and arrogant you are. If its a genuine typo again.. I'll apologise on my outblow.. iff you apologise for it.. but no.. you are so high mighty and arrogant. I have no problem with misspelling of my country name for all that matters.. I have a problem with your attitude. And I dont give a damn what others think of it (small matter, doesnt matter, big matter..) cos it's my problem.

So do whatever you need to do... but get off my back.

[TosaInu]

Solypsist 1 card. It's magyar Cham not 'Magyar Champ'.
NinjaKillah 1 card. It's Kocmoc not 'Kocomoc'.

Magyar Cham 1 card. It's Singapore not 'Signapore'.
Magyar Cham another card for repeating it.
Magyar Khan 1 card. It's Solypsist not 'Solypisty'.

That's what Magyar is asking for.

This topic includes:
-more namecalling.
-false information.
-threatening with war.
-digging up dead cows.
-attempt to set up people against each other.

I'm sure anyone sees where this goes to, I'm sure anyone knows what will be next.

To quote Swoosh: "I'm sick of this".

I remember that I came at these forums almost 3 years ago. I remember Magyars post from back then: normal sound post with a bit of a jest every now and then. Things ran down when his alter ego Magyar Cham entered the stage: from bad to worse, step by step. Snipe at others, tell it was just the messenger, get away with it and snipe again with heavier calibre.


Posting rights for the alter ego Magyar Cham will be lifted: use your Magyar Khan account to voice your opinion.

Magyar Khan's posting rights will be lifted for 2 days to allow him to regroup his thoughts. The warning chips will be removed.

One is free to have any opinion, one is not free to behave how (s)he likes.

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/Rules.shtml

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