Cant post Topics in the MTW main hall section

[IceCold]

Lo i just registered my sccount and want to post a few topics in the MTW section on the bb however when i goto post a new topic its says i dont have permission to post a topic. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif errr

Can any one help its kind of stupid you register and cant post bloody topics what a waste of time.

[Arcane]

Quote[/b] ]Sorry, you do not have permission to reply to that topic

You are currently logged in as Arcane

This is kind of irritating ...

Any idea on when we might be able to participate in the complete forums?

Arcane http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Sir Crashalot]

I guess we are in quarenteen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Arcane]

Fair enough... but what for and will we ever be allowed out?

I tried some of the other features contained within ikonboard and could not respond to polls or message other online board members.

Oh well .. I guess I should just be grateful I could join at all (I tried earlier when membership was closed)

Arcane

[Sir Crashalot]

I can fully sympathise with your plight as I have also tried registering several times over the course of the last few weeks.... very frustrating.Eventually, the official board came back online so I went there but I like the way this forum is organised and kept tidy.

Crash http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Arcane]

Well I'm off to play a little (5 or 6 hours) of MTW ...

Perhaps the forums might be a little more accessible sometime later for newer members like myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Arcane

[Swoop]

How bout an admin tellin us why we're not allowed in any other forum and how long we gotta wait or what we gotta do to be able to?

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[Arcane]

I am still not able to participate in the full boards... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Could I ask for anybody that can use the other forums to please post a question as to why new forum members are restricted to this one board?

It seems that we new members aren't worth replying to (probably why we only get to post on a single board where we can be easilly ignored) .. maybe one of the older members might have better luck at getting administrative attention.

Thanks in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Arcane http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Wouldn't it be much easier to ignore new members by just closing new registrations?

This new board is open for less than 24 hours, and this forum hasn't a moderator yet. There's a candidate though.

This forum isn't to dump second rank people in.
Quite on the contrary, it serves to help people, both the new members who have to find out the basics and the older ones trying to keep track of discussions.

I'm very sorry that this forum hasn't either a moderator yet to help you nor many 'faqs'. The alternative would have been that new registrations would still be suspended.

How long you stay here depends on yourself: pick the basics up quickly and you'll be promoted to Senior Patron.

But you'll have to wait till this forum has a moderator.

You can post questions here in the meantime, read all forums, use the searchfunction and read the forumrules (link is on top of every page). The help button, in the top right corner, will also explain a few options.

Edit profile info is enabled.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

[Arcane]

I appreciate your response to this thread TosaInu and for clarifying the situation regarding we new members http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I also must appologise for my most recent post. Its posting was merely meant to antagonise an administrator into responding and enlightening new members like myself on our status and the procedure for becoming full members. I at no time believed we were second class members (as I implied) though I did gain the information I (and others) were after, it was by using a somewhat devious tactic.

I realise how much effort is required in maintaining such a high standard on a public forum like this as I have attempted it myself once before (not as successfully as I have noted you and your team do) and I thank you for yours and the other administrators efforts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Arcane

P.S. May I suggest that you add a sticky note to this board containing the information which you revealed on this thread as I think it might alleviate a lot of unnecesary threads similar to this one... thank you once again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Swoop]

QUOTE: How long you stay here depends on yourself: pick the basics up quickly and you'll be promoted to Senior Patron.


Riiii-ght.

Look, sorry to be whining like this but I'm 28, been lurking on the forums for about month before registering, been on MANY forums for other games in the past......AFAIK the basics of using a forum is click here, click there, dont ask stupid questions that people have already answered and refrain from trolling.

I got the basics down already thanks.

Now my next question is: How do we demonstrate that we've picked up the basics? And who to?

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P.S. Can ya tell I've been in forums before from the sig?

[Gregoshi]

Right now, I'm the one you should be sucking up to. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Be patient with me as I'm new to the moderating job and be patient with the rest of the staff as this type of forum is a new idea and bound to have a few wrinkles to work out.

As for lurking, I lurked here for a while when I first arrived, so I understand. Feel free to continue, but let me encourage the lurkers out there to contribute. We want to hear from you too - not just the same old hot air from the regulars. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Don't be afraid to ask questions either, but a quick search of the forums will tell you if the question has already been asked and maybe even answered. For MTW you can also check the Table of Contents (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=1195) thread. It is an index of many of the best/most informative threads regarding MTW and is contegorized by subject (rebellions, units, etc.).

Welcome to the Guild Ladies and Gentlemen. I am your doorman, Gregoshi.

You may begin sucking up now... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[deutschlanduberalles]

I find it a little ironic my first post here is under a topic complaining about how we can't post in the main forum, I registered to reply to a HRE topic and found the same message :P

Time to start another HRE Expert game and see if I can fight THIS 7-front war successfully. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Arcane]

Hmmm ... sucking up heh?

I might be restricted to this board for a long long time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Welcome aboard Gregoshi .. I hope my stay here is short and sweet

Arcane

[KukriKhan]

TosaInu-san aksed me to help out here. I don't know the answers to your questions yet; but hang on lads, Gergoshi is a fine, honorable fella, and between the 2 of us, we'll get you taken care of and on your way to 'posting bliss' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Catiline]

Good to have you on board Gregoshi

[Gregoshi]

Thanks folks. I'm glad to have KukriKahn's help as the door to this place is rather massive. I just hope they don't expect us to clean the moat too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

BTW, my HRE campaign has started going bad recently. My men must have it too good as all my florin go to their upkeep. I really have to cut back on German Chocolate cake rations. Any words of wisdom regarding the HRE will be welcomed.

[KukriKhan]

Heh, Gregoshi, I'll cover the moats, you handle that medieval crapper by the front gate. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

On the HRE: have no mercy; kill the Pope 1st chance you get; conquer, then placate contiguous provinces; go west first (richer prov's, weaker enemies), heading for coastlines, then south; feed armies on bier & schnitzel ONLY (keeps 'em aggressive), populace on cheap wine & potato (keeps 'em lethargic).

The rest of you guys: I'm looking into the rules of this forum/board so we can get you 'certified' and on your way as soon as possible. The concept of this place (as I understand it) is to provide a welcome lobby of sorts, to do 2 main things:
1) welcome and orient you to the Org, a privately-owned, unofficial site devoted to the TotalWar game series.
2) cut down on the duplication, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate postings that have plagued previous versions of this board, eating up precious bandwidth and making finding a real answer to a real problem next-to-impossible to do.

Back to you soon.

[deutschlanduberalles]

Words of wisdom regarding the HRE? Spend a boatload (pun intended) of money making a trade route to the med., make alliances with everybody you can, don't screw with anybody until your citadels start appearing and make sure the French and English are busy with each other for sixty years or so with spies. Works well for me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[LovelyHaji]

I don't think moving 10 spies into a province works anymore now the patch is out. ANyone else think this?

[Azrael]

I think it's great that you have set up a place where new people, after basic information, can talk to other people about similar issues.

However, I find your decision to restrict access to the other Forums presumptuous and insulting.

When I got my first computer, I discovered STW and loved it. I have MI and bought MTW as soon as it came out.

I take exception to being forced into a Newbie room, not because I have a complex about being labelled a novice, but because you rob me of my voice in other forums where I have something useful to say, or from making posts that require more than a couple of weeks play for answers.

You say that this is not supposed to be a second class room, but that's exactly what it feels like.

I understand your concerns about unqualified disruptions to meaningful threads, and I appreciate your bandwidth issue, however I do not find this an acceptable soloution.

I recognise that you are an unofficial privately owned site, but you must recognise that you are the unofficial privately owned site, with direct links from the totalwar.com site.

I am so annoyed with your decision here, that I am contemplating complaining to the official site that does, in a way, endorse you.

Not because I like a good moan, but because I love MTW and the whole Total War series, and stopping me from sharing that with other gamers who have been playing Total War for as long as I have is not what these Forums should be about.

Please don't think that I'm typing this post as some kind of threat. That's not what it's about. You are robbing true fans of their voice. It's almost like you're a Daimyo, arbitrarily deciding who's fit to join the club, and this really riles me.

I don't expect this post to suddenly change the way you have set things up (though it would be great if it did).

Hopefully you'll get a better appreciation for what a poor introduction some of us feel we're getting to the STW Forums site.

I've loved everything there is to love about STW, until this.

Azrael

[pithorr]

Just... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
...appartheid http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[KukriKhan]

Sorry to have gotten your feathers in a flurry Azrael; your well-written post, and concerns about your 'voice' being robbed are duly noted.

Please know that this particular forum policy is under active review and discussion right now. In the meantime, I'd be glad to forward any constructive posts/questions, etc to the appropriate forum for you. (I realize that that is 'hand-holding', to which you likely object as insulting; believe me: no insult intended. It's the only way to accomodate you that I have at the moment).

Welcome to the Org. Glad you like the game.

[Michiel de Ruyter]

Hi guys...

In some ways I can understand the present policy, but is a pain in the butt if you want to reply to a topic...

I noticed someone had to write a paper about the Punic wars (see monestary), and I know a decent if not great site...and wanted to help out by posting the link..

But I'll await, and hope I can reply soon....

I love the game, but have to get a new video card, as mine is getting into a fight with the mousecursor in 3D battlefield mode (just a 16MB card http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif )

[Azrael]

Hi KukriKhan,

I'm glad you've seen my post and appreciated the spirit in which it was sent.
It's good to hear that this current Forum policy is under review, and I appreciate you offer to piggyback posts or replies for me to the Main Hall.

I don't design or host Forums for a living or as a Serious Passtime, so good for you guys for setting this up for like minded gamers to come and use for free. I'm sure there's a little more to it than typing Add Reply and giving an opinion.

I won't go over old ground, but really have to mention that neither you or the Main Hall Members would be happy if you were facing this current New Members situation.

Please let me know how things go with the review, and thanks for paying attention to the posts.

Azrael

[Gregoshi]

We realize that your current status is a bit restricting. However, please try to participate as best you can from this forum. If you have some useful information, post it and we can move it to the appropriate forum to share with the commnuity until you are able to do so yourself. You can also help each other out while waiting here in the Entrance Hall. There have been some informative posts here already. It sure beats twiddling your thumbs and staring at each other. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Each time you post serves as a reminder to us to release(promote) you to the other forums. But please, no SPAM http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Papewaio]

Because of previous problems there is now some vetting of new members.

This is two fold.

A lot of new members don't quite get some of the tongue in cheek humour particularly from the Aussies and the others we have corrupted http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. That and the general level of ettiquette that is normally required.

The other side is to stop some blatant spammers, flamers, nasty and other types of general internet riff raff diminishing the core values of the Org.

We would like the game forums to contain relevent and useful information. If it is an opinion then quotes and links to other sources or a logical flow of arguement would be appreciated. This will help people find the information that they need.

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That you can manage full sentences and paragraphs. Have a logical flow of arguement and are a productive member with a sense of humour will definitly get you past the entrance hall in no time at all.

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IMDO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif I think that anyone who can respond with useful information to approximately three threads should be able to get past this stage ASAP. But that is IMDO.

[Kraellin]

ok, fair is fair, and folks deserve a straight answer. we're dancing around why this 'entrance hall' came into being here. a number of folks were recently temporarily banned for violating policy. one can ban in a number of ways. you can ban the member name or you can ban their isp from even logging to the site. however, banning an isp also has to ban everyone using that isp because of dynamic ip numbers. to prevent having to ban whole isp's, which isnt fair to those that may use the same isp as others that are banned by intent, you have to ban the member name. but, that doesnt work either because the actual person simply rolls up another account name and continues where he left off. this leads to a whole other type of 'war' and it gets pretty silly.

so, and i'm NOT an admin, and this is actually only speculation on my part based on recent activiities, this 'entrance hall' was set up to keep those recently banned from simply logging back in under a new name and causing trouble all over again on the main forums. at least here, they are monitored and easily handled all in one spot. so, yes, it is a pain in the arse and yes, it does have the tendency to treat everyone as 'guilty until proven innocent', but it also keeps some of the noise and flames off the main forums. think of it as a 'gun check', or a metal detector in an airport. it's essentially the same concept. leave your guns at the door and let's keep the shooting wars off the main boards.

again, this NOT an official statement. it's just my guess. i'm not a moderator or an admin here and am not privy to the private meetings of the staff here. so take it with a grain of salt. this also does not invalidate any of the other reasons given by the moderators here; it's simply my own, possibly faulty, addendum.

K.

[Arcane]

Quote[/b] (Papewaio @ Nov. 11 2002,22:37)]A lot of new members don't quite get some of the tongue in cheek humour particularly from the Aussies and the others we have corrupted http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. That and the general level of ettiquette that is normally required.
Oi

I resemble that remark.. even though my pommy wife is trying to pommify me I am resisting.. I can hardly wait to get back to the land down under http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


On a more serious note... No time at all has been a few days now (a very long time for me to be kept quiet) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

I doubt the aims of this experiment can be achieved for the following reasons:

1) In my opinion most people simply choose not to argue.. and after signing up then not being able to contribute they simply fade away.

2) The git types will still get past this stage if they are that way inclined.

I understand why this limited access board has been set up and I can empathise with the administrators however I know I (and probably most others) simply feel isolated when most of us simply signed up to contribute to the collective knowledge about MTW, when we are not permitted to add our 2 cents it does make us feel judged unfairly.

What would concern me more if I was an administrator would be the invaluable insight of all those that simply find this process too difficult and choose to say nothing at all, therefore automatically being considered a high risk candidate of being a git when in all probability that would not be the case.

A fairer system for policing IMNSHO good behaviour might be:

a) A stricter code of conduct for all members to enforce a clearly defined standard of behaviour.

b) Use of penalties such as suspensions of less than a week for minor forms of inappropriate conduct (flaming, trolling etc etc)

c) More serious forms of misbehaviour such as openly abusing or threatening another member or continued minor forms of inappropriate behaviour (after they have previously been corrected) need to be punished by lengthier suspensions or even banishment.

d) Newer members being placed on a stricter code of conduct therefore enabling the erradication of the vengeful (git) members more rapidly, a probationary period perhaps.

e) This forum being replaced by an 'Administrative Action' board where all suspensions are announced to the community including a summary of why the punishment was necessary. This would be to allow an adequate transparency of process therefore allowing all members to have confidence that the board was being managed fairly.

d) For more serious punishments the offender should be suspended initially, however before banishment can occur at least 3 moderators must agree that it is a fair punishment and they must be willing to sign off (put their names down) when it is announced to the community.

Well thats my take on the situation..

Arcane

[Papewaio]

I suppose we could always do it in reverse. Newbies allowed in. If they act naughty they have to do penance in the Entrance Hall.

So it could be a first level ban... could rename it the principles office or in keeping with the theme of the forums call it the Barracks (where people are instructed in the proper handling of the forums).

Behave let out to roam. Misbehave a week in the Barracks. Constant abuse either an increase in flood control or eventual banishment.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Arcane,
Monkian,
Sir Crashalot and
Latro

are 'promoted' to Senior Patrons and can post in all forums.

[Azrael]

It all boils down to one thing.

Heresy.

By adopting this current policy, Moderators and Administrators have created a dualistic Forum. The Elect, Moderators, Administrators, and Main Hall Occupants and the rest of us.

It's basically veiled Predestination. Such Calvanistic principles are an affront to the Holy See and Heresy to the Catholic Church.

Accordingly, all Administrators and Moderators should do the right thing and be henceforth known as Fanatics.

(Smile guys, you can join my Crusade)

Azrael http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Arcane]

Papewaio

That would be more palatable to most new members (Me)... remembering that the vast majority (we hope) are never naughty enough to warrant such a punishment.

Arcane

[Gregoshi]

Pssst...Arcane, cool it You're in. Don't forget to practice the secret handshake.

The problem with banning is that in the past it has created much heated discussion as to whether the person deserved to be banned. The result was a lot of tension in the forums for a while.

[Arcane]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Nov. 12 2002,07:12)]Pssst...Arcane, cool it You're in. Don't forget to practice the secret handshake.

The problem with banning is that in the past it has created much heated discussion as to whether the person deserved to be banned. The result was a lot of tension in the forums for a while.
I would like to thank TosaInu for granting me full membership, I am overjoyed, however I still feel the system could be improved so that it is less discriminatory towards new members. It is bitter-sweet to me personally as most fellow new members are still segregated.

I have been giving the administration of the board quite a bit of thought and have come to several (hopefully accurate) observations:

1) The way it has been set up now is an administrative nightmare because instead of having to deal with the handful of disruptive/abusive/problematic new members the current system requires the individual handling of all new members which must create an overwhelming burden on the moderators/administrators.

2) New members do feel discriminated against as if they are being punished for the inappropriate behaviour of previous undesirable members.

I don't envy the position that the administrators find themselves in and I admire their attempts to maintain these forums as a welcoming place for those of all origins to discuss the TW series of games openly and without too much abuse. I have already posted several suggestions towards streamlining the admissions process for all concerned, especially the new members who I feel are being treated harshly at the moment, to these I might like to add another suggestion. The TW games quite often inspire very strong emotions when people have differing views on the game (as people do), I would like to suggest another forum be set up called 'The Arena' which could serve as a flame board where members can vent about anything at all that irritates them, not only game issues.

The conduct on this board would be less moderated, only direct threats would be punishable (its all right to get angry but not alright to intimidate or threaten)

Well .. there you have it .. another 2 cents worth (GST incl.)

Arcane

[Swoop]

Um......ya know what? I cant think of a single thing that would add to this thread in such a way that I might demonstrate that I'm ready for the main forums.

Guess I'll just resign myself to never posting......

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[Catiline]

A rant board has been considered in the past in the previous incarnations of this board. It's always been decided against. The atmosphere that we want to cultivate is one in which flames has no pace. there are plent of other places to if ranting is the order of the day, the .com forums for example. Here though we don't want unmoderated boards, we are trying to sustain a vibrant and adult community. The behaviour that would exist there is not compatible with that notion. To put it in a real life terms there's not an area of town you can go to and chuck bricks through windows and beat the crap out of each other without fear of retribution and where's it's accepted as ok to step outside your societies values(actually some towns do, but do you want that area next to where you live?)

It's inevitable that arguments and personal squabbles from a rants board will overflow into the other forums. The easiest option is just not to have one, and to endeavour to keep things running smoothly elsewhere.

[Gregoshi]

There is always email or private messages if you feel the need for a nasty rant or some flames. There is no need to show your pyrotechnical skills to the whole world via a forum post. A good strategy is to find a friend or two here, and then email or PM your flames about the issue/person to them. Once you've gotten the bulk of the hostility out, then you will be more able to achieve civility in your forum posts. Too many people take issues to the public that are better and more easily dealt with in private. Few things make people angrier than being embarrassed are verbally abused in public.

To Swoop: you need not restrict your posting to this thread alone. There are a number of other topics of discussion here in the Entrance Hall to join in, or you may start your own. Despair not

[Swoop]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Nov. 12 2002,15:07)]To Swoop: you need not restrict your posting to this thread alone. There are a number of other topics of discussion here in the Entrance Hall to join in, or you may start your own. Despair not
Waaaay ahead of ya. I'd just get more responses posting in main......

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[Gregoshi]

Just saw it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Azrael,
Coach,
deutschlanduberalles,
mist,
pithorr,
RomoR,
Sigurd Fafnesbane,
Swoop and
The_Dude

are 'promoted' to Senior Patrons.

[Coach]

Gregoshi, let me in darn it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif (see I didn't swear, I must be learning&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif\

never mind, didn't see tosa's post....i'm an idiot who now deserves banning

[Caledfwlch]

So what are the prerequisites for becoming a member and being able to post topics/opinions etc in the other forums?
Does it go on how long you've been registered, or number of posts?

[Gregoshi]

Just post in this forum until we get to it. There are several good topics going now. Give us your two florin on any of these topics, or start your own if you have a burning question or comment that must get out. There is no set time or post limit.

If you want to know more, just read through this thread. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Oh, and welcome to the Guild Caledfwlch.

[Caledfwlch]

Cheers Gregoshi, I'll try not to act too much like a newbee.
Really chomping at the bit to get onto the mods forum. Currently making some new weapon & shield graphics for Knights and Wessex Heavy Cavalry, just playtesting at the mo to check it all works.
Btw how do you upload pictures onto your posts? Just wanna give you all a peek at what I'm working on.

[Swoop]

Woohoo time to start spammin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

j/k

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[traveller]

I too find this system very insulting. You tell us welcome to the .org but just how welcome are we when we are restricted from going to the main forum of the game. I have been lurking and reading the forum before this one though I never registered. So I thought I would finaly register and what do I find. I find myself locked out of the main forums. Of course this is your forum with your rules but I will be no part of it. I do not want to have to prove myself worthy to be allowed into a forum. I have been on a lot of forums but this is the first time I have come across something like this. I agree all the newbie questions can be annoying at times but this is no answer imo.

It looks as if this will be my first and last post to this board. I may come back at a later time to see if things are changed coz you said this system is still under discussion but till then I won't be posting here.

[Azrael]

Hey Guys,

Well super duper for me that I've been granted Senior Patron status. I let you know how I felt about the current new member policy and because I understand some of your concerns to a degree, thought I'd be a bit patient and it's paid off.

I can't blame traveller though, and there's something to be said for new true fans who will not be impressed when they get here, and may not return for a while.

Their leaving is our loss, because this is supposed to be a Total War Community.

My advice is, if you're new, stick with it. So far my impression has been that the Moderators are on often and pay attention to our Posts, so the Entrance Hall seems to be more than just a dumping ground for people they don't know.

Hope to be seeing lots of you soon.

Azrael

[Coach]

I'm going to agree with azreal. The mods are always available, even in the ugly situations. And I will say since he is the mod of the entrance hall, gregoshi is a right good guy, along with many of the others, and at least are deserving of second chances if they rub you the wrong way or vice versa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[IceCold]

Well thats not fair i am the one that posted this topic first and the others get to post topics in the other forums BLOODY BULLSHIT.

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[Arcane]

Thats the spirit IceCold, continue to show them how mature you are and I'm sure they will be falling over themselves to let you access all the boards

On a more diplomatic note, in all fairness to the administrators this is only your second post and even to my eyes it seems to be more of a rant than anything even bordering a productive contribution...

Perhaps a different approach on your behalf might yield a result more to your liking http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Arcane

[Caledfwlch]

Don't squat with your spurs on http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Beeblebrox]

This is truly insane. I've given this board the benefit of the doubt one time too many, and once again they've shown me the error of my ways.

The only thing more unbelievable than the concept of this training wheels board and the open admission that you have to suck up to the mods in order to be let in, is the fact that so many of you mindless sheep are actually doing it.

While I had an account previously, and would have been able to post in any forum I wanted, right now the very idea leaves a sour taste in my mouth. People like the ones who run this board believe they can exert certain power over the patrons because the patrons let them. The only way to prevent people from shitting on you is to be somewhere else when they feel the urge.

So this will be my last post on this forum. Too bad, Tosa, Soly, and the rest of you. You'll get no satisfaction from banning me because I won't be around to hear your chest-pounding. Instead, try finding a little enlightenment by reading Dr. Seuss' 'Myrtle the Turtle'. It describes the inevitable result for people with ego problems like yours.

[Shiro]

Have patience. In time this may change

[solypsist]

Come on, guys, waiting periods are more and more common with forums; people seldom complain about it elsewhere. Anyway, turnaround time is not very long, usually about 24 hours, unless you give a reason for the EH mods to reconsider.

We're all professionals here (the staff, I mean) so just contact the EH mods, and let them know you'd like to go beyond being a Junior Patron.

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i Dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers/advice from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i Dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers/advice from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers/advice from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

This section of the forum is no good to me as if i post topics about modifying files etc etc it will be deleted.

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers/advice from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

This section of the forum is no good to me as if i post topics about modifying files etc etc it will be deleted.

Well if cant be able to post in other forums i guess i will have to try somewhere else. Dam shame Never have i had problems in other forums like this one NEVER.

[IceCold]

I might sound abit over the top but i have good reason two. I am in the middle of making a mod for MTW and need some answers/advice from the other forums but i cannot do this until i am able to post topics in the other sections on the BB. Until that happens and i dead in the water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

This section of the forum is no good to me as if i post topics about modifying files etc etc it will be deleted.

Well if cant be able to post in other forums i guess i will have to try somewhere else. Dam shame Never have i had problems in other forums like this one NEVER.

[IceCold]

LOL cant even post a reply without some crap about cannot post a reply and when i finally do post a reply its does it 5 times err something wrong here.

[Gregoshi]

There are no topic limitations here in the EH as far as I know. Post what you need to here and ask that we move it to the appropriate forum. There are a few topics here that a mod has moved to another forum on their own initiative. You could also send the information in a Private Message a moderator of the forum in question. There are ways to achieve your goal.

When faced with an obstacle, don't just focus on what you can't do, but also on what you can do. I know, that is cheesy but it's true.

As for sucking up, that is hardly a requirement. If you take a look at the posts of those who have been promoted, you'll see that a fair number of them posted not one word to a moderator. And to tell you the truth, I'd rather not be thought of as a moderator but as a regular guy posting here - well, one with a magic wand to help others. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[fastspawn]

hi, i'm new here (there i go stating the obvious) and i understand totally the reason behind the entrance hall. I am a regular member of several other forum boards and we do get flamers and smurfs and all that.

just take this as my first post and i hope to enter the main hall asap...

[Lord of the Isles]

Well, I'm not new on the Org forums/fora. But I found myself visiting this group for the first time and was surprised to find out the Org's new (it is new, isn't it?) policy on new members.

Firstly though, let me say the moderators do a great job and the Org is probably the best fan site for a game I've ever come across (though the Apolyton site for Civ games is close). Thank you all of you.

But this new policy strikes me as extra work for the Moderator and frustrating for new members. You have a problem with MTW, you find this site, register and are all ready to post in the Technical Help forum. You can't.

I'm not going to start a peasant's revolt; I just think the policy is the wrong way to go.

[KukriKhan]

Thanks for your input Lord of the Isles...really. We're looking into it.

[+DOC+]

lol, i only just found out this place (Entrance Hall)existed today

Hi all. Strange concept, but i'll go along with it given recent events. To tell you the truth this place is actually no different from the Main Hall, the posts are equally interesting and the people too....

Anyway, until things settle down i'd just be content posting away here, i know i'll certainly be visiting here more often to check out some of the posts. Who knows, maybe this place will be better than the Main Hall? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Regards

[Hermes]

Hello, my former name was aggonycougar, can you let me post as well??

greetings

[+DOC+]

Oh and what's the difference between member, patron, junior, senior, mercenary, count, etc, etc....?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ulyanov]

Acutally - while I'm mildly annoyed about being stuck here, I think it's actually a *great* idea, even for those of us who have been around the 'net and Forums for years...

There's another forum I'm active on that discusses Broadband Internet in Australia (can I give the link? - Mods feel free to remove if it's not on) www.whirlpool.net.au and every day some stupid troll comes along, registers and posts absolute garbage through the forums...

My favourite was a guy who didn't know how to format his HDD. I love that... I worry about people like him...

We had another troll on a Board for Talonsoft's Bombing the Reich (I won't give that link out for now) who came in harping about Football (the European kind, not the US or Australian kinds) and then started carrying on about how England had defeated the US in war more often than not...

So keeping people here, even for just a few days or hours prevents that sort of abuse...

[Niccolomachiavelli]

Forgive me, but your logic escapes me. If I understand you correctly, this new system is so that you wont have to ban flamers and deal with the inevitable subsequent discussions. But in the end, the very system you have set up has created discussion and controversy.

You also reference the idea that you want to keep newbies from posting redundant topics and the like. Why not simple restrict the ability to post a new topic until they reach a certain post count? Furthermore, I would think being surrounded by the mature and level-headed would often times be the surest way to elevate the new members to a more intelligent and acclimated state.

If there are other reasons for this system I would be interested in hearing them, as I remain confused.

[Sallustius]

As i understand it the system isn't designed to completely stop the need to ban flamers, they'll get through anyway. But it does mean that anybody who joins and makes a complete nuisance to start with doesn't get through. This system is only controversial if people make it so, it's only a hoop to jump through, and it's their house.

[Niccolomachiavelli]

Its controversial because it seems elitist and random in who gets promoted. So you're saying the point of the system is to act as a partial net to catch the flamers? What the point? you will have to contribute just as much effort to catching and banning the flamers and malcontents in the Entrance Hall as you would in the Main Hall. Whats the difference whether you catch them in one hall or the other? Because they might disrupt the discussions? Besides the fact that I find any claims of potential disruptions to be suspect, the implication would be that a disruption in the dicussion of members in the Main Hall is inherently more disasterous than such a disruption would be in the Entrance Hall. The further implication being that the members of the Main Hall are more important than the members in the Entrance Hall.

I merely need point at the ludicrous number of polls to demonstrate the fallacy that those in the Main Hall are more deserving than those in the Entrance Hall. How long has it been since you've opened the board again? And how many threads in the Main Hall have you had to close?

Again, your logic escapes me.

[IceCold]

They should do away with this system of having to wait to post normal topics in the other sections. A forum is about talking to people about all sorts of subjects relating to something. I can hardly call waiting here in LIMBO talking. I call this stage being insulted for no reason what so ever.

[ulyanov]

Gee, Limbo.

mabye if you hadn't proved yourself a total wally by repeat posting then maybe you'd be a Senior Patron by now.

Whinging is not going to help...

[KukriKhan]

Steady fellas; take a moment to review the forum rules
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/Rules.shtml
there's also a link on every page, near the top.

The kind of discussion going on today (basically all of page 2 of this topic) is the kind of heated, intense, emotionally-laden argument/debate that the .Org specializes in. Part of this 'vetting' process is seeing if prospective members can handle that intensity, WITHOUT resort to flame, personal attack, and reducio ad absurdum that stifles true discussion, intelligent debate, and reasoned argument.

This is a nice place - yet we fight all the time (if you want examples, I'll dredge up some of the old 'Yank bash/Euro trash' threads - very entertaining http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif) There's also a healthy amount of teasing, sports talk, gaming trash-talk, and all the other my-opinion's-better-than-yours talks that bless/plague other boards. ALL that is welcome here.

But we never get personal. OK, we have, but the member gets spanked.

Some of you feel insulted that there's an extra hoop to jump through, taking that hoop personally - as if the Org thought you weren't good enough as a person to enter our little teaparty, without the butler saying you're OK to come in.

All I can say to that suspicion is: Trust me:

No insult is either intended or implied. We crave the input of new members - it keeps us honest, and points the way to innovation.

This particular forum is heavily moderated (is that an oxymoron?) for a reason: everybody wants to see who's knocking on the door. We're ALL interested in what you have to say. So say it, abide by the rules, and you'll be welcomed with open arms. FYI, there have been very (VERY) few new patrons who haven't been 'promoted' within 72 hours; most much less. Love it or hate it, this is the policy today...see if you have what it takes to be a honorable, respected member of the .Org.

Look around, read the rules, post here - you'll be on your way.

[Gregoshi]

Quite a few of those waiting here have taken it upon themselves to start a thread or contribute to one here in the Entrance Hall. There are a number of threads here I've enjoyed reading or contributing to and I've even learned a thing or two. I'm also seeing more oldtimers popping in here and joining the discussion. The Junior Patron status will be what you choose to make it.

Comment on polls in the Main Hall: it is a new toy to play with on our new board. The number of polls will drop to a tolerable level once the novelty wears off and everyone is sick of them.

Some trouble-makers will get by this system, but it is a lot more work for them to get many different user ids by it. With a post count, they can spam each user id to the required post count. With a time limit they need only create multiple user ids and then just wait...

[Niccolomachiavelli]

I understand my previous posts were a little convoluted, so let me simplify what I meant. I am not bothered by my own status as a Junior Patron, regardless of how much I previously posted on the board. I am bothered, however, by the very existance of this extra hoop. I dont see this as a personal insult, but rather an ineffective and unecessary insult to many people in general. obviously it was not meant that way, but I think that the purpose of the Entrance Hall and the mechanics behind accomplishing it are flawed.

[Gregoshi]

Excuse us moderators as we untangle our feet - LOL.

[fastspawn]

chill it dudes,

this forum is theirs and if you dont like to play by the rules you can just leave. it's that simple...

[Niccolomachiavelli]

So we should keep our mouth shut and not discuss the ideas shaping this forum in any way, and if we have any sort of qualms or disagreement over how it is run, we should immedietaly leave, by virtue of the fact that it isnt ours? Well then, be sure to chastise anyone who calls this board a community, as they would be foolish to do so in the context you present.
Somehow I doubt the mods and admins share your view. Call me naive, but I'm more apt to believe they are willing to engage in a dialogue in order to discuss whats going on with the board, provided it is both informed and level-headed.

[fastspawn]

it's one thing to have a proper discussion. it's another thing totally to insist that the moderator's logice totally escapes you. If you have just sat down to think, you would have realized the reason why there is a entrance hall. Obviously there are cons like you have stated, but the moderator's have decided arbitarily that the pros far outweigh the cons and have implemented this idea.

it doesn't matter what the moderator's post, because with your stance, everything they post will be illogical. Just keep and open mind.

[Niccolomachiavelli]

I am keeping a totally open mind, by asking the mods or admins to explain the logic behind their positions. I'm sorry if my statements come across as inflammatory in any way, as they arent intended as such. If anything I would think you would realize I am humbling myself before the reader by clearly stating that I am unable to understand something.

And regardless of having sat down and thought, I still dont see the Entrance Hall as solving any problem or serving any sufficiently logical purpose.

And finally, I dont see how you can assume that anything they post will be illogical. I dont think I've said anything to indicate that, nor have I said anything to indicate I would not be willing to listen to or evaluate anything they say. Its somewhat hypocritical you should tell me to keep an open mind to what the mods say when you yourself have failed to keep an open mind regarding how I will respond. You assumed, based on whatever reason, that I am an unreasonable person and that I would not listen, so I reiterate your own excellent advice to you: Keep and open mind

[Gregoshi]

Ask 10 people to solve a problem and you will get 10 different solutions. That is what this boils down to. Just look at some of the comments about MTW. There are quite a few people who think any number of things about the game should be different (in their opinion): rebellions too strong/weak, spears/cav/swords too strong/weak, etc. MTW is what it is because CA made what they felt were the best decisions as to how the game should be. If a different mix of people created MTW, the resulting game would not be exactly the same game we have now.

My point? The staff of the Org has decided that at this time, the current policy regarding new registrants is the best one for the Org and its patrons. We are quite aware of the elitist and second class issue as well as several other issues. If different people ran the Org, chances are good that the policy would be different. However, the current staff feels that the benefits outweigh the negatives. Perhaps next week, next month or next year we'll think differently and change the policy. Then again, maybe not.

Similarly, every patron here goes through the same exercise: do the benefits of association with the Org outweigh the negatives you feel about the Org. If the negatives bother you more then chances are you will stop coming here or at least come here less frequently. Over time the Org will change and so will the benefits and negatives as you see them - and your involvement level will change accordingly. Of course, other patrons will see things differently as is demonstrated by the views expressed in this thread. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KukriKhan]

By Jorge, I think they've got' it THAT's how we argue here (thanks for the demo guys.).

No personal flaming (unless you look fairly long at the sideways reference to 'and open mind&#39http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. Issues layed, opinions expressed, nobody hurt, point(s) made.

To the point(s): ...still dont see the Entrance Hall as solving any problem or serving any sufficiently logical purpose...

Have you been to the Main Hall and tried to find an informative, interesting discussion on any topic? Or can you speed-read through all the debris to come up with the 2 'gems' out of 2000 posts made today? Or perhaps you're certain that your individual new-topic post will be the be-all and end-all, never-discussed before (but answered on page two, at length) subject.

I'm picking on you here, Niccolomachiavelli, and I apologize for that. I find your posts admirable in their ability to convey your thinking - but am flummoxed that you really find no value in a gateway forum such as this.

Perhaps your position/point-of-view is mostly reinforced by fastspawn's attack?

Now THAT would be Machiavellian. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

EDIT: and here we go tangle-footing again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. Gotta stop meeting like this Gregoshi.

[Gregoshi]

If we are going to dance, some one has to lead. How are you on the dance floor? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ulyanov]

Does watching you two dance form part of the Apprenticeship?

Cos if it does - I'm outta here. There's some things a man shouldnae have to do...

[fastspawn]

Ok are you guys teasing me because of the spelling mistake i made with an?? And now everyone is posting and open mind?

I am not a native english speaker, so forgive me if i seem rather blunt with my remarks because my ability is to phrase the structure of the sentence is rather crude and my sound either rude or patronising.

[fastspawn]

Quote[/b] (fastspawn @ Nov. 14 2002,01:30)]my sound either rude or patronising.
may not my. sorry my bad.

[KukriKhan]

You're doing more than fine fastspawn. Please forgive my little joke at your expense. You're going to fit in here just fine. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Hermes]

Hm, just posting here to hope the transforming from aggonycougar to hermes we be done sooner, so I can post everywhere like I used to could, hehe...perhaps it´ll work, you never know

Greetings,

Hermes

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Apache,
boneyman1769,
Caledfwlch,
Cooperman,
Diaz de Vivar,
einar,
fastspawn,
LovelyHaji,
Roibeard Mac Mathuna and
SideShowBob

are 'promoted' to Senior Patrons.

[Hermes]

Hm, didn´t help I guess, lol....hope to be on the list soon

Greetings...Hermes

[dragonchi]

Herms just send an`email to Gregoshi with your previous login details, they will check it out, and this will speed up the process for u http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .

For anyone who has been involved in this forum over the years, they would appreciate the purpose of this entrance hall. I feel this is has been long overdue. This is not just another forum, and I m sure if you take the time to look around and judge with an honest heart, you will respect the process currently used.

If anything gregoshi, rather than new members having to read through this thread as a means of understanding why they have been resricted to the entrance hall, it might be an idea having a thread pinned to the very top giving a clear explanation for this process using appropriate and carefully chosen wording. If done correctly this will eliminate any initial unhappiness of new members, apart from the occassional.

Just a suggestion, and this is all just in my opinion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Clear communication is vital, lead the way.

[KukriKhan]

Excellent suggestion, Mist. Gregoshi has 'pinned' this topic to the top of the forum, but at 3 pages, it might be getting a bit much to wade thru. We'll think of something. Maybe a pinned Read Me First, with 0 replies taken.

[Gregoshi]

We did pin it so it would stay on top, but maybe we should have closed it too to keep it clean. Then open another thread for the active discussion. As for a carefully worded explanation to be posted at the top of this forum, that is not a bad idea at all. I just don't have the energy nor time right at this moment to sift through this thread for all the points to address. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[barocca]

..

[Gregoshi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Not again. People are gonna start seeing us as another Shiro/Catline team, only without the spam. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dragonchi]

I dont think you need to make it to detailed, just state the intention for this entrance hall, asking new member to be patient, blah blah blah, and careful not to make them feel that they are already been acussed of anything. just keep it simple, clear, understanding, and from the heart, it will be felt. It is not necessary to include more than this.

I just think that by the time a new member goes through this tread they have been on an emotional rollercoaster, and it also creates their first impression. This thread containes a lot of emotional triggers, which will sway/distort perceptions and feelings, it does not invoke a good state of mind for a new member to write their first post.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa Niccolomachiavelli san,

You e-mailed me about a locked out account last week-end right? I must have made a mistake when fixing it. I'm very sorry about it. Since you were already registered at UBB, you should be Junior Member.

[Niccolomachiavelli]

Well, I wont argue the point much more. I've communicated everything I wanted. Few last points though. First, I exaggerated when I said I see no point at all to the Entrance Hall. Obviously there is some merit, but in the end I believe the negatives far outweigh the benefits. Second, I find it somewhat odd that I have not been included in the latest round of promotions. By KukriKhan's own admission I am demonstrating what is required of those who would participate in the Main Hall. Some might call my complaint sour grapes, but I reiterate: It honestly doesnt bother me whether I can post in the Main Hall or not. I'm contented to be able to harvest whatever knowledge I can from that hall by reading--if they're going to give me a hoop to jump through in order to add my knowledge to that hall, I wont really exert any particular effort to jump through it. Also, my presence on the MTW boards will probably be quite sporadic and transient, given than my interest in MTW has more or less peaked, and while I might check the boards every once in a while for news, patches etc, whether I can post or not will be of minimal importance to me--provided I can read what others have written. So really, promoting me would be somewhat pointless, though I do remain insulted nonetheless. Silly dignity at all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Oh, and finally, I might mention that when I quoted him by saying Keep and open mind, it was an honest typo. I didnt even realize he had mispelled it in the first place. I was rather annoyed at myself for not having caught my own typo and was forced to let it sit there, undermining my point.

Well, now that I can edit, I might edit to announce that I am now firmly pulling my foot out of my mouth in reference to the dignity part.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Darth_Nerdius,
Hermes,
Michiel de Ruyter,
Sir Dipthong,
ulyanov and
Welshman

are 'promoted' to Senior Patrons.

[Gregoshi]

Niccolomachiavelli, let me add my apology too.

You were under consideration for promotion but then I noticed 1) you were a Junior Patron with 90+ posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif and 2) that you had already posted in other forums. I thought this odd, so I opted, with Kukrikahn's blessing, to hold off on putting your name into the hat until I understood what was going on with your account. I asked the rest of the staff if anyone was aware of the situation with your account, and obviously from Tosa's note above, there was a problem of some sort.

Please accept my apology for holding off on putting your name in for promotion. I hope to see you around the forums.

[Niccolomachiavelli]

Not a problem. We all make mistakes, typos etc. I know that when the new board first came online, I was formerly able to post in the Main Hall, as I even created a thread on changing the campaign end date and got my questions answered by CA employees on how to do it. Then I changed my email settings and after I verified the change, I suddenly couldnt post. I simply assumed this was the new policy coming into effect.

[KukriKhan]

group hug http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ulyanov]

Tosa - thanks, and I didn't even have to suck. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

To save Headaches like Nico's in the future, why not rename Junior/Senior patron to Apprentice & Journeyman or something? After all, this is forum is styled as a guild

Just another $0.02 worth...

[BatkoMahno]

Now I feel greate. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Never looked at Entrance hall before.
I tried to reply to participate in polls and nothing worked. I thought it was typical bad luck. My d...n account is some kind of wrong. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
But now I see its OK. It is suppose to be that way. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

bk1,
Cooperman,
General Mayhem,
Houston,
The Last Emperor and
Zolt

are 'promoted' to Senior Patrons.

[IceCold]

I started this topic pity i cant delete it. Im not sucking up to people in hear to get promoted. Ive asked before nicely if i could post on other forums, and its fallen on deaf ears. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif. Whats the point in talking to people if they dont listen to people problems.

[KukriKhan]

IceCold you have mail (click 'your messenger' above.)

[solypsist]

maybe a closed and pinned topic of FAQs and Read me firsts by the EH mods might be what you need.
(just trying to expand on the idea)
BTW, I hate to sound like a broken record, but you two are doing a great job.

[IceCold]

I will only say this once and once only. Can i please post topics in the other forums as i am i need of some technical problems with making my mod. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

I just get that funny feeling i am wasting my time asking nicely.

[Catiline]

The process IceCold would i'm sure be hastened by your participation in other threads on this board. If none of them contain anything you want to discuss then begin your own ones. As it is all your posts are in this tread, and most of them are multiposts.

Asking nicely can only help things along, but the entrance hall exists to aclimatise people so that we can see they're fitting in well. if you don't participate in that it'll necessarily take longer for you to get senior patron privileges.

[andy119]

gah
What do we have to do to become senior patrons write angry posts. Well im pissed like asreal. He wrote eralier who has now incidently been granted senior patron status [QUOTE]However, I find your decision to restrict access to the other Forums presumptuous and insulting.

This to me is double standards. I suspect this is because of tera gate n thats what it boils down to isnt it?? Not every 1 causes trouble i myself have no wish to disrupt this comunity. i love it:). Tera is missed he was a great m8
I want to be able to post in all forums, is this to much to ask? i think not.
I am gonna ask nicely now to be made a senior patron so i can post in all teh forums Please can i be made a senior patron:)
cya guys soon hopefully as a senior patron:)

[IceCold]

First Off i dont have much time to scan all the topics in this hall and reply i am a busy person. Secondly i have only 56k modem it takes forever to load topics. Third Like the title said Junior Entrance Hall and some of my questions are rather techincal no insult to others but i would like to c my topics in the correct Hall and not some newbie entrance hall no insult implied.

[Catiline]

You'd be surprised how many people from the other forums take the time to read in here, but if you don't ask no one has the opportunity to answer. it really is much simpler to play along. You'd have been in by now if you did.

[jbushkey]

Hi I am new here and need to post to the apothecary, I can't play MTW cool site and I am looking forward to plaing the game.

[Gregoshi]

andy119, did you also read Azreal's final words on this topic?


Quote[/b] ]My advice is, if you're new, stick with it. So far my impression has been that the Moderators are on often and pay attention to our Posts, so the Entrance Hall seems to be more than just a dumping ground for people they don't know.


The policy goes beyond what you may think. For any who were around a 12-18 months ago, you may remember a heated debate developed in Off Topic about gun control. Somehow the word got out and soon a contingent of new forum members from a pro-gun web site showed up and joined the debate. They knew nothing of STW, but saw an opportunity to voice their side of the argument in a new place. It was not pretty. Gun control threads were not allowed after that. Had our current registration policy been in place, they would have never gotten past the Entrance Hall.

Then there are shinanigans like the ones that have happened at the .com forums over the past two years: several flame wars, spankys pornography, the hacker attack that brought down their new board and then there is the person who saw fit to add 20 or so new threads each containing only one single letter. Our policy may not stop all potential trouble, but it makes registration a little more work for them.

[KukriKhan]

Quote[/b] (jbushkey @ Nov. 17 2002,02:21)]Hi I am new here and need to post to the apothecary, I can't play MTW cool site and I am looking forward to plaing the game.
Hi jbushkey welcome to the Org Stone-cold bummer your MTW doesn't work...post your problem here, and either 1) we'll help you ourselves, or 2) we'll move your post to the Apothocary for assistance.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Al Qasim Hussein,
BatkoMahno,
Boardom,
IceCold and
wtom

are 'promoted' to Senior Patron.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

andy119,
Carbonel,
Ivan Bajlo,
jbushkey,
NorseGod,
OrganGrinder,
ouishi,
Stygious,
TartyChops and
Tomus

are 'promoted' to Senior Patron.

[Tartychops]

Ooooh bless


(tentatively... arigatou gozaimasu)

[LadyAnn]

TosaInu-san would take dankje as well.

Annie

[andy119]

hi tosa:)
thank you for your time, i apreciate it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Gl n hf
andy119

[TenkiSoratoti]

Never fear

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Doge Vitale,
Glorfindel,
Hippolyte,
LadyAnn and
Nikola Barac

are 'promoted' to Senior Patron.

[Gregoshi]

This thread is closed. It has gotten too long and we have just created new, clean threads to replace the multiple purposes this thread evolved to.

We will leave it pinned for the time being.