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The_Dude
11-12-2002, 17:02
Who try to play GA (glorious Achivment)?

Cooperman
11-12-2002, 17:10
Conquering the world is too much hassle and completely unrealistic, I like to keep a small but powerful empire and use my armies and agents to make sure no other faction gets big enough to cause me problems.

Azrael
11-12-2002, 17:16
Hey Guys,

Conquering the world does seem to be a bit of a hassle. Glorious Acheivements adds an excellent ellement of depth to the gameplay. I find it to be a much better reflection of Empire building.

I think it's interesting that there have been a few posts where people are saying they prefer to give the actual management of combat a miss, to concentrate on the Strategy element.

Would it be fair to say that the Strategy Element has possibly exceeded expectations of the Development Team as far as a public response is concerned?

This game has so much to love.

Azrael

The_Dude
11-12-2002, 17:25
I cannot abandon the battlefield, it is the prof that your strategy is good (like attack one region to be able to avoid a battlefield with a river for your next target (eg French burganny (? Bourgogne in french) and provence ).
The glorious achivment are really good as they oblige you to stop your conquests and concentrated on bulding crusade for example

HopAlongBunny
11-12-2002, 20:55
I like GA.
It provides a little more focus imho.

Some factions really get robbed under GA though. I mean the Byzantines get Homelands and Conquest; sounds like they have to play world domination.

boneyman1769
11-12-2002, 21:00
I enjoy the goal orientation of GA. I just wish the scoring worked correctly so I would not have to keep taking out the other nations. Might as well play conquer the world with some nations.

Zolt
11-13-2002, 01:08
At the moment I'm playing conquest, though I'm aiming to move on to GA quite soon.

FesterShinetop
11-13-2002, 04:04
It's all I play, it's so much better than the other option. I couldn't complete the game without my beloved trade routes. Can't help it, I just have to be the richest http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

solypsist
11-13-2002, 05:37
I only play GA games. Never world conquest.

Gregoshi
11-13-2002, 07:49
Love the GA. It gives each faction that much more character. I nearly fell over when, in my HRE campaign, Drang Nacht Osten suddenly appeared in my GA list

The Last Emperor
11-13-2002, 13:46
Although I play the GA mode, i still aim for world conquest for every SP campaign.

el_slapper
11-13-2002, 14:46
Opposite for me : it is so hard to make piece that I' m usually forced to conquer those who attacked me. Especially when it's the HRE, and that their attacks on me weakened them so much that poles are conquering their land. Better mine than theirs.....

Problem with GA is : to much focus on conquest. Building a cathedral in Paris only bring 4 points once. Not enough to get motivated. I even didn't lauch crusades to Tripoli : building a Citadel there is simply not realistic in 1 century you spend to defend yourself vs HRE, Aragonese or Roastbeefs..... While some conquest score far more point.

SideshowBob
11-13-2002, 15:13
I only play GA, but then i dont really play to win. Once my empire has got to a certain size it's a bit boring to carry on all the way to the end so i give up and start again. My favourite is to crusade and never fight fellow catholics, basically i love the pope and do what he tells me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Gregoshi
11-13-2002, 15:15
Perhaps you are right about the GA being to focused on conquest, el_slapper, but at least it is conquest with a purpose.

Why build a cathedral in Paris when it is worth so few points? Same reason people climb mountains: because it is there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif What value is there in climbing a mountain? Only personal satisfaction, really. So go climb Cathedral mountain. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

+DOC+
11-13-2002, 15:27
YEs. i like the GA mode, it makes an interesting change to the run-of-the-mill conquest mode. However, right now the GAs are still bugged so until they get them fixed i'll simply remain playing the more mundane conquest mode.

They were terribly bugged pre-patch, where numerous calculation bugs were apparent, but post patch they have significantly improved. What happens is the conquest points start failing to be added for random factions as the campaign eras progress. There is no way of predicting when and to which factions this will affect, but once it's happened it gets stuck in the saved game....

Just make sure you watch out for when it happens and be prepared to start writing down the scores then as they are tallied. This has been reported to CA and apparently they are investigating.....?

Sir Crashalot
11-13-2002, 15:41
I have tried GA twice (both post patch)

First time I was the HRE and ended up having to fight off the French Hobilar horde to the west, the Danish Royal Knight horde to the north and the Italians to the south.

They just wouldnt stop and those Hobliars inflicted terrible damage upon my armies of Spearmen,Urban militia and Archers (all I could build at that time).

I gave up on that after a while.(my armies were in tatters, this patch has made a big difference)

Second time was as the Turks.
First thing I did was conquer the Egyptians(though the king capture trick on turn 2 doesn`t work anymore it seems).It didn`t take many turns before my assault force was sitting in Egypt which was about the time the crusades started. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif This was quite fun, though it got harder when the Byzants decided to have a go, at the same time the Spanish took africa and didn`t want to stop there.(is it just me or do the Spanish always beat the Almos now).

In all the MTW games I have played, the Turks on GA/early/Hard were the most fun.

Crash http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

KukriKhan
11-13-2002, 15:43
I GA most of the time...makes the tedious chores of managing factors (loyalty, zeal, etc) have more of an overall strategic purpose. Helps me understand the occasional need for 'strategic retreat' from a province, not as a failure, but part of an overall plan. Since the patch, I particularly like the numbers put on the GA progress bars. Helps me see which faction I may eventually have to estroy in order to 'win'. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Díaz de Vivar
11-13-2002, 17:05
No, i usually play with Catholic factions in early campaign. I hate the GA´s crusades http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

einar
11-13-2002, 18:33
I always play GA, before a post-patch. GA is of course better after post-patched the game, you can see exactly how many GA points do you have, the pictures for achieving points are correct now.

GA is most realistic, conquering all the map is an option that don't like me very much.

Finally, GA is the best way to play the game for me.

muffinman14
11-14-2002, 04:00
I've really never played GA yet.

It sounds like a break after trying to take over the world.

Houston
11-14-2002, 04:45
Haven't tried GA yet either, but after reading this thread, I can't wait to give it a go

monkian
11-14-2002, 10:25
I played the conquest version of the game first of all but found it lacked depth or realism.

The GA version makes the game much more playable and realistic.

IMHO

(EDIT: deleted your duplicate post monkian. Cool sig. ~ Kukri)

Glorfindel
11-18-2002, 23:55
Havent played GA at all yet in the 4 or so months I've got the game, mostly Campaigns& MP...

Hosakawa Tito
11-21-2002, 18:46
I prefer to play GA too. It's much more realistic than trying to conquer the whole map. I like the trade aspect too, I'm currently playing as the Danes, and without trade they couldn't generate enough florins to compete due to the poor agricultural quality of the far north provinces. Before the patch, all my GA campaigns ended up as world conquest ones instead because I'd expand my empire to the point where every faction would gang up on me. I'm trying not to expand too much now, and so far I'm not being attacked from all sides. The points aren't being added correctly, unfortunately, so I may not win, point wise, but I'm still enjoying the campaign.

Oldariel
11-21-2002, 19:50
I also like the GA more than the conquest style. MTW is the first strategic game I ever played that gives you other options than conquering the whole world by itself. In other games (like Civilization) I always get bored when I get too strong. The game ceases to be challenging. But with the GA's you get litttle targets that you try to achieve and you never get too strong (because you don't aim for it). So the whole thing stys realistic and challenging a longer time. I hope the bugs will be fixed soon. Like Hosakawa Tito I too play the game and satisfy myself with the knowledge that I did win, whatever the points say. But it would be nice if this was fixed anyway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Rosacrux
11-22-2002, 12:11
GA all the way. Only. For the reasons so many patrons were so kind to mention.

Even though I can't resist smacking a faction or two, if given the chance. Like trashing the Turks while playing Byzantines, or the English with French, or Elmos with Spaniards. Adds to the fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

rpasell
11-22-2002, 19:17
I have never played world domination, but in a GA campaign as the Italians, I came really close to it anyway. The only provinces I didn't conquer were the Russian Steppes, and the traditional polish lands.

I must say though post patch some of the GA is still buggy. I'll have to start tracking and posting.

Basileus
11-22-2002, 20:14
Started to get bored with game so i think its time to try it out never did any GA games before..:)

Vlad The Impaler
11-23-2002, 02:21
i play only GA

Teutonic Knight
11-26-2002, 04:51
is that your picture on your sig soly? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Dr_No
11-26-2002, 16:38
My first post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The GA is great- i like the way everybodies GA's mean they end up conflicting with each other at some point. I just wish there were more, or maybe special acheivement buildings/units? eg after three crusades build a super cathedral or hardcore knight? ... now that would be great - btw has anyone managed to complete all the GA's for the French?

KukriKhan
11-26-2002, 16:44
Hi Dr_No welcome to theOrg http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I thought I had all the French GA's done once, only to discover I'd done 'cathedral' in Flanders (instead of IledeFrance). Gotta be more careful, I do. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The_Dude
11-26-2002, 16:58
Hi Dr No, welcome to the ORG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I have played French in early a lot, try to build the krack of the crusader a lot of time (bloody egyptian&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, until my last try, I wich I was doing real weel until... well my hard drive crash, lost everything http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif ... Got to start again...
I managed to achieve a lot of goal jusr missing the krack of the crusader, I see some new GA apear, after like building a reliquary so I guess some new GA will came for each period, I didn't manage to go to the late stage a the moment

Qilue
11-27-2002, 19:57
I assume you mean Krak de Chevaliers (sp?).

I just finished a GA game playing the Polish and every 25 years or so, an extra province seem to get added to the list with most of them belonging to someone else. It was a fun game though.

CeltiberoMordred
11-27-2002, 22:51
I only play GA, because i think is funner than nonsense conquests, buts its annoying all the bugs they have; it seems that a lot of the GA's don´t work properly, i cant get points with some factions; Also, some factions have more to do than others, i mean, french, english, germans, etc, have variety of GA, while others only can achieve points conquering or defending their mother country.

Dr_No
11-28-2002, 12:20
krak de crusaders is the tough one, glad to hear i'm not the only one with that problem (atime frames and egyptians don't make this easy)... currently heading to the holy land with a 2000 strong crusade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif ... see how they like that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

tarkins
11-29-2002, 02:49
No I prefer to conquer the world

I know it is unrealistic but who cares if you have some fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

CeltiberoMordred
11-29-2002, 03:23
fun for u, terribly boring for others... at least in GA conquests have a purpose...and u can conquer all the world in GA if u want; try it and u'll see its the same http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Gregoshi
12-01-2002, 19:36
Judging from the results of the poll, CA added a very good and popular feature to the TW series with the Glorious Achievements. A big thumbs up to the folks at CA Aw, what the heck, let's give 'em a head pat too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

Qilue
12-06-2002, 19:47
Now all they need to do is fix the infantile mentality of the AI.

The possibility of the AI accepting a ceasefire is directly proportional to it's chances of defending if you invaded. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Mr Frost
12-12-2002, 12:22
I also prefer the Glorious Acheivments path , though as I play the 1092 mod now , that doesn't work with the Aragonese , Hungarians , Sicillians nor Novorogods {they have no actual goals and often CTD when you click on the GA botton , so world conquest for them ... unless Paladin has changed it since I downloaded the mod} .

It is still a little limited in scope , but I understand there are real limits to what can be done with current technology . What the creators of this game did , is take quite a few steps in an excellent direction .

Jampe
12-28-2002, 19:01
Big thumbs up for GA and an end to having to be a power-hungry, violent warlord in order to win a game.

At last my byzantine emperor gets to lead the quiet life (if he's not a power-hungry, violent warlord- there's a time and a place for everything http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

The Marcher Lord
12-28-2002, 19:36
Definately GA for me as I prefer more realistic and historical gameplay and having to attain targets within a given time is equally if not more challenging than bludgeoning your way across the world map

Zauba'a
12-28-2002, 22:59
I pretty much play GA exclusively now. I'm trying it with the Brits right now, but I'm getting pretty depressed cuz they've got pretty lame achievements....WOOL MONOPOLY?? come on it's more like wool LAME-opoly

chilliwilli
12-29-2002, 03:21
I said no. I don't play GA, but I'm not fond of world conquest either. I think MTW should borrow Europa Universalis' victory point system. It would work perfectly. The GAs could be used as a nother means of getting VPs though, so they could stay. For those of you unfamilar with Europa Universalis, the way you get Vps is just by successful gameplay. You get points for taking provinces, forging alliances, etc. This system would appeal to those interested in historical accuracy and those only interested in world conquest.

Sir Black Raven
12-29-2002, 13:20
I played twice the GA perspective but i think the faction i choosed got some really difficult achievements so i gived up. Since then i've always play conquest the worls as it gives me pleasure to smash all the others. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

TheViking
12-30-2002, 08:02
im trying one now. But how do you get more then 5 points as the danish. all the other factions are far ahead of me now

Greeny
12-31-2002, 02:20
I always play GA mode now, but the Byzantines only get Homelands and Conquest points http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif I was hoping for getting bonus points for kicking the barbarians out of Rome and restoring the old Empire http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Actualy I'm on the Pope's doorstep in my current campain so I might conquor it anyway and award myself 100 Glorius Achivement points http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

TheViking
12-31-2002, 02:46
my first GA campain crashes all the time in 1233, I wont play GA anymore, Its so very annoying when you spend time on something that you cant complete.

And I havnt had a crash on a very long time in the normal campain.

Maybe you think its stupid not to play GA just cus first try crashed. Well I rather play in normal campain without crashes then i play GA with the risk that it crash.

Its only a waste of time with crashes and the life aint long enuff so i can waste my time like that.