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bosdur
01-08-2003, 01:10
With no intention to flame, I encourage non-grey wolves and non-fearful ways members to vote and post about this. I hope for informative analysis of both of the clan's muscles, such that if there's a betting on the match, I hope this thread to be a good resource for ppl to help with their decision http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

THOUGHTS ON THE GREY WOLVES
Grey Wolves is 2001 HABA winner for Most Feared Clan Award, and home to very skilled players. It's a very competitive-minded clan (if not the most compeititve).In 1v1 with many wolves' member, I experienced way more losses than wins in a 1v1 match against most of their members ,iirc magyar,paolai,nashwan,ad lordted, if I standardize myself as the average-joe player, you can get the picture what kind of players the clan has. In 2v2, their team-play is by far the most refined and solid I've ever seen, not only they know how to support each other but they complement it nicely with a very well coordinated baiting & trapping movement (i.e using generals to trap).A manouver that's easy to plan, but very hard to execute neatly in practice. In a big 4v4 match, although I have not yet experienced it firsthand, I've heard a story where the wolves excellently routes one enemy army and then steers that army to route the rest of enemy armies. The Grey Wolves is also famous for the excellent use of cavalry-archers and this skill would be a great asset in fighting the Fearful-Ways.

THOUGHTS ON FEARFUL WAYS
Fearful ways is a clan with long history, runner up of 2001 HABA for Most Feared clan and home to players with great honour. The clan seems to be less-competitive minded compared to the wolves as I see not many of their members host 1v1 battles in the foyer. I have been playing 1v1 with AMP and NC, and never won any against them, but with only 2 players compared to the 4 players in wolves I've played 1v1 with, it's too early to draw conclusions about the clan players' individual capabilities. I have also seen that one of their most senior member Elmarko is getting too indulged with playing with fun army such as 16 all missile army in 4v4 matches, hence I'm doubtful if he can still play competitively http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. In 2v2 I have had the chance to play with AMP-Bong or Bong-Simbol combo, and they have exhibited a very great teamwork in supporting each other with slightly less mark compared to the wolves, as i've not seen them using any exotic techniques (as far as balanced army is concerned). In 4v4 FearfulWays' performance is tricky to judge, as most of the time AMP uses all cav army which makes his teamm8s seem to be there just to support him. With only this kind of play to see, I'm unable to make any comment on teamwork except to say "It's allright" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif. Also be aware that if the clan war belt rule of 2 unit max is enforced, it would defenitely make amp's army less effective.

With the facts that I've seen and heard about both teams, I would like to say that the wolves has more edges. Fearful's X-factors however may turn the odds to them, such as if elmo is still as good as he used to be http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, or if amp's balanced army skill isnt rusty yet, and so on. All-in-all, I am not so concerned with these X-factors, with competitive and determined-to-win mind complemented with great skill the wolves will overcome these x-factors and win. If there's a betting, I would still put my money on the wolves.

Tera
01-08-2003, 01:42
When two legendary, old clans meet it's always an epic battle, no matter who wins in the end. If it's done in the correct way this challenge will be emblazoned perpetually in the books. Will be interesting.

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LittleGrizzly
01-08-2003, 01:58
i voted wolves but it would be close as fears are very skilled guys and does Gah mean you vote as draw ?

LadyAnn
01-08-2003, 02:10
Gah

In the spirit of Rome:Totalwar
Bring out the gladiators

Annie

youssof_Toda
01-08-2003, 02:16
K if we don't want any flames here let's restrict this topic to ppl who aren't member of either wolves or fear.

Magyar Khan
01-08-2003, 02:25
sorry i voted before i read it, excuse moi
but another step closer to a new age of competition, when do u give an old wolf some rest... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

baz
01-08-2003, 02:36
i belive that as a whole clan the standard in the wolves is much better...whether this will reflect that im not sure

bosdur
01-08-2003, 03:22
Awwwwww...........

So many Gah Voters, poll is anonymous rite ? Just speak your mind folks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

I know you want to pick a side, You know you want to pick a side So let go and pick http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif.

Knight_Yellow
01-08-2003, 08:42
i voted GAH for 1 reason

there dying and old, time for sum new clans to emerge and take up the title of king.

BomilkarDate
01-08-2003, 13:08
GAH is the only reply that is possible at all (in this case).
You can talk about strength of wolves and about fear, but no one in here can really say what Clan is stronger. Most of the guys voting in here vote for the name they fear more or for the clan with the guy they believe to be the best player in...
A Clan is more than a number of individuals, a Clans strength is more than the skills of its individuals.

Even the most confident guys in both Clans cannot actually be sure about the results.

We'll see...

Enough words lost

ELITEofBOMILKAR

Reod
01-08-2003, 15:11
Gah Gah and once again Gah

"With no intention to flame" - m8 try becoming a psychologist - You would be the worst i know lol

rest of this silly post - no comment, it's really below my http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif level

Magyar Khan
01-08-2003, 15:59
ofcourse we can do a quick scan on everyones logfiles, and check how teh fears elites and wolves did against each other. is that an idea bomi?

Krasturak
01-08-2003, 20:21
Gah Cut heads off Gah

FearofNC
01-08-2003, 20:28
hehe....just voted gah myself...and now i see the gah's clearly have it :P its almost sad that soon we will know for sure... sometimes not knowing is half the fun..

BomilkarDate
01-09-2003, 12:00
@Magy: Of course, checking logfiles is helpful. But even with all your logfiles you won't be able to judge a Clans strength. Maybe you can get a tiny little idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

This is because:
°Logfiles are not the battle, just kills and losses (a replay shows you other things, if you check both, you will know sth about one battle)
°You will not find too many logfiles Wolves vs. ELITE or Fears, maybe you've got undercover 1v1 and some hundred 1v1 from Nash http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, but there will be too few multis.
°Sometimes logfiles do not show the actual battle, this is no bug, but in some battles extraordinary things happen...
°How much is a logfile from early december telling you about a players strength today? I saw players improve a lot in 10 days, if two players practice as a team for 2 weeks, they will be much stronger.

Enough words for one post

ELITEofBOMILKAR

Magyar Khan
01-09-2003, 12:22
well a clans strength is an ongoing thing, who is the ebst scoccerteam on earth. well there isnt any. but how come some nations win more tourneys than others?

elite have fine members, but for every elite i can place an -on average- better wolf. but still it doesnt mean u cant beat us in the warbelt challenge and u will train hard. besides jemasze and jericho i didnt see other members excell in creativity but they compensate it thru work. thats one of elites strongest points, the endless energy of some members to keep going and trying. that point should not be underestimated, i am aware of that.

Magyar Khan
01-09-2003, 12:23
Enough arrows left http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

FasT
01-09-2003, 20:47
GAH GL 2 all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif