FearfulWays vs. The Grey Wolves

[FearofNC]

well since it seems some people think our 2 clans are at the top... wolves and fear are getting a lot of votes for most feared clan....and our members are getting various nominations for 1v1 skills too... i suggest a competition. we have challenged the clan belt but that will take too long as is highly structured... lets get together and have a tourny or a round robin and settle this once and for all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

im open to suggestions on format and u can email me, visit our forum, chat online, or post here .... these matches however should be played within the rules of mtw ... no special rules like no artilary or no lancers... we both know the ins and outs..lets find out who is best at MTW.

[Magyar Khan]

ok NC list teh games u want i know many wolves look forward to this

i suppose that if its a clan challenge that more than 1 player is involved.

here is a list of teh players we can field
Wolf_Nashwan
Wolf_Paolai
Wolf_Kocmoc
Wolf_Macajor
Wolf_MagyarKhan
Wolf_DRB
Wolf_Fast
Wolf_Injin
Wolf_Aleborg
Wolf_EvilC
Wolf_Lordted
Wolf_Swoosh

Wolf_Shingen
Wolf_Dareal
Wolf_Attila

are recently missed in action

i am interested in your active players as well.

perhaps we can thinjk of a clanjoust, plz post your ideas and rules here.

magyar

ps does that mean that i have to train with swordupgraded lancers/knights as well? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
cant i cancel myself out from teh games and have a contest with any fear where we sent in replayfiles of battles which show the manouvringskills to an independent jury?

[youssof_Toda]

Cool plz make the replays uploadable http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[FearofNC]

AMP
Blade
Bong
Cromwell
Elmarko
Fucyuman
Kagemusha
Mizilus
Nc
Reod
Segomo
Simbol
Strike
Viking

these are the ones ive seen in the past 3 days... we have other members like

Chill
Flame
Itself
Jst
Krud
Maykon
Maky
Old
RedLeg
Secome
Ship

who at least have mtw and have played sometime in the past few months..

i propose that the battles be same faction vs same faction

some form of point system used

multiple battles to include all periods ( early,high,late )

we seem to agree on 15.000 as a reasonable level but anywhere between 10-20 is fine.

a third party judge

possible battle line up:

1v1 : 8 battles 1 point each
2v2 : 4 battles 2 points each
3v3 : 3 battles 3 points each
4v4 : 2 battles 4 points each
------------------------------------
total : 17 battles(32 player positions)
33 points in all

since you have 11 members...no player should play more than 3 times.

battles should be best of 3 ..or.. best of 5

i dont think we will have problem agreeing on maps since both sides will att and def.. flat maps should be used for 3rd games....

since i agree that manuver warfare and tatics are the true measure of skill...and i think we could easily agree on a group to judge the replays the idea of a best player award is interesting... what are your ideas?

[bosdur]

*Singing Limp Bizkit song*
Who Let The Wolves Out? Howl Howl Howl Howl

Aghh...that song is always in my head, im going craaaaazzzyy......

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Swoosh So]

Blast it I wish i was still online although i see old clan members playing do you want kocmoc as well nc? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif


SwoooOOOOOOooOOoosh

Well good luck to all and remember to save the replays http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

Very promising idea indeed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif May I suggest that victors be crowned on the basis of excellence in applying strategy.

Good Luck All and please do save the replays for the rest of us.

[DthB4Dishonor]

I applaud this competition as it has shows what clans are really all about 'a group of individuals sharing ideas adn strategies and the execution of those ideas and strategies on the battle field'. Its also about friendly but very competitive hard fought games. The lineups on both sides are impressive and long. To bad I havent seen FearKrud much lately he is very good IMHO.

I have a recommendation for the battles though:

Perhaps have a moderator from .org or a mutually trusted person.

Then both sides can submitt who they will put in each of the slots without knowing who the other clan will put. IMHO this will show true overall clan balance. IMO there are no weak links in either clan but there are a couple of exceptionally strong players on either side.

Well this is just MHO I truly look forward to watching all these games on replay as I'm sure they will show a truly epic battles and creative tactics.

RTKPaul

[Reod]

Although I'm a member of clan Fearfulways I believe I can have my own, opposite to clanleaders, opinion. IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA. Tension between Our clans is dangerously rising (vide those funny awards). I have few Wolf-"friends" (if You can call a friend someone whom You play rarely online)
and i don't wanna lose them. In my own name I say: GREY WOLVES ARE THE MOST MAGNIFICENT TOTAL WAR CLAN,HAVE BEST WEBSITE, MOST HONOURABLE AND FEARED WARRIORS and etc...

[Magyar Khan]

i hope it paul but they will not be like MI games imo.

[Magyar Khan]

hi reod, may i suggest u that wolf_nashwan and fast are on your polish borders in teh campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif u have a mighty castle tho... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Dionysus9]

If you guys need a detached and independent judge, I offer my services. Just let me know if you need me.

[Magyar Khan]

best creative website for me is elite, visit it

[Stormer]

THe war of all wars has come everyone run to the Imperial Knight lands no one can beat us http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

good luck Woles/Fear
wish you all the best http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Reod]

Khan - have You ever heard about irony??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
my previous post wasn't meant be to be ironic (maybe a little http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif but know i changed my mind coz i realised YOU cannot change, YOU'll be always an arrogant, too self-confident, rude ***** (instead of stars put whatever YOU want)
besides - i don't worry bout those very poorly placed wolves at my border http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif - campaign involves some global thinking m8 - teach them bout it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Tera]

Interesting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

No-one challenged the supremacy of Wolves in this 'official way' - good luck Fear I hope all is done in a 'nice' environment or else problems like those pointed out by Reod may occur. I hope we see more of this in the future ...hopefully backed up by a better MP system.

T.

[Kocmoc]

lol rick,

ur bit sick.....thats bad
this HOF voting is important for u, right

u need some little ego pushing?

well, imo u can get the best....the most feared....bla bla bla, whatever.

if u look this voting, u cant take it serios, as its complete joke.
as i remember the lsat years and months, i just dont saw many fearmembers nether a regulary playing....and now u come and want it all.....mhpf

and as this voting is about 2002, i still dont see the point as the Fears wasnt realy present, from time to time u saw some but very rarly.....so if this voting is about 2002, i just dont see ur point.
Ofcourse we never run away for a challange, its just a bit wired....

let me react in ur way as well......

i will challange all named players for the category:- best player, medivial02

we should fight this out as well, so u named amp....well, here we go. i fought him serveral times, so we fight jsut once more....

yeah baby, let the EGO-war begin.

koc

*went home and get a live*

[Magyar Khan]

thanks guys in helping me, its just what i needed to get orlok Kocmoc out of his chair into the saddle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Once in a while i apologozise to my wolves that my presence would never bring teh most honourable clan price to our clan, but at least i have also self-knowledge. which is needed for a victorious campaign as well.

Reod i was joking, i am indeed arrogant rude and self confident i wont argue about that and aint even offended since ur a nice guy as are fast and nashwan. I placed the army of maximus007 btw already, somehow i cant reach him. perhaps u have to send in a command for his army as well. Good luck campaigning... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

man i love some smilies

[Magyar Khan]

swoosh do i have to order a wolf to polish your saddle as well?

[bosdur]

Im really looking forward to this match. Those who who thinks that it serves no purpose thinks too much, clash between two great mtw clans wont have any effect on world peace. Some Ego-battle will actually spice up the community and bring some good. Please make it happen, and please make it quick http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

http://www.raichu.de/pokemon/36pikaklein.gif Go Fearful Ways http://www.raichu.de/pokemon/36pikaklein.gif

http://www.raichu.de/pokemon/36pikaklein.gif Go Grey Wolves http://www.raichu.de/pokemon/36pikaklein.gif

[Major Robert Dump]

*smokes cigar and sips bourbon as great armies amass on the ridge below*

It should be a grand show.

[FearofNC]

this is not about ego... not mine at least.... fear was on top for a very long time....are armies were with out question the strongest in total war... but we never bragged...we never put other clans down...we never claimed we were the best...and we always encouraged new clans and new players...

but then the bad times started.... according to kahn... this was the "time of bugs that casued his members to loose intrest" this was also the same time as you say fear almost died.. never mind that our clan had 3 servers running in counter strike...

then comes mtw... 14 members return withen the first week.... and are clan has been present from that day to this one. but in case you havent noticed...we are mostly western clan... and we play while you guys are asleep...part of the reason you left in the first place mike... when was the last time the wolves came and played against the fears during the time we play? maybe one member every now and then... you guys play for a few hours during the day and think you own it all?? u guys are always complaing about the level of competition...its just the time u play... your attitudes and arrogence have festered newbie hordes...the players at nite are fun and friendly...well mannered and very skilled... there are many honorable clans playing and any player in the foyer can get help and advise...if you truly want to prove your strengh as a clan...why not try and clean up the mess you have created..try helping others build clans...try helping players learn about the code of honor...instead of wasting peoples time with your im better than you propaganda. well...at least we can fix that part...after the battles are over...there wont be any doubts as to who is the best on the battlefield.. even though battlefield skill doesnt mean much when you talk about the strength of a clan.

MoooOOoOOmmOOooOo

[Krasturak]

Quote[/b] (FearofNC @ Jan. 08 2003,12:57)]...fear was on top for a very long time....are armies were with out question the strongest in total war... but we never bragged...we never put other clans down...we never claimed we were the best...and we always encouraged new clans and new players...
Sorry, NC, Krast must tell you that some of these statements are false.

By the way, thanks for the invitation, but Krast is very happy here in Rage Castle and has no plans to alter his current allegiances.

[FearofNC]

and which one do you think is false? or is it the whole statment you find in error. in re-reading i will say that there are always exceptions to broad stamements...but what i said is true.

and you are welcome for the invitation... fear is always looking for honorable players. And im glad you took my advice and started recruiting again...just another example of how we try and help others...best of luck...im looking foward to Rage being back to strength in 03 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Magyar Khan]

but then the bad times started.... according to kahn... this was the "time of bugs that casued his members to loose intrest" this was also the same time as you say fear almost died..

this is not what i said, show me where i did. i ment teh MTW bugs not the MI bugs.

then comes mtw...
see above this part is false here

14 members return withen the first week....
possible, europe was waiting

we are mostly western clan... and we play while you guys are asleep
u sure? u want to know my day-night cycles?

you guys play for a few hours during the day and think you own it all?? u guys are always complaing about the level of competition...its just the time u play...
so u say players at 2000gmt-0100gmt are on average worse than 0100-0600 gmt? we could do a europe america competition, europe is happy to do it.

your attitudes and arrogence have festered newbie hordes...the players at nite are fun and friendly...well mannered and very skilled...
u sure u talk about europeans, wolves or just me?

there are many honorable clans playing and any player in the foyer can get help and advise...if you truly want to prove your strengh as a clan...why not try and clean up the mess you have created..try helping others build clans...
man if i write these things i get banned.

try helping players learn about the code of honor...instead of wasting peoples time with your im better than you propaganda

well if your code of honor means that u and Amp defend a corner on a flat equal map against koc and me than its your kind of honour. not mine or ours. we fight in the open.
check out my replayfiles, downlaodable for newbees. thats what i learn them. go undercover and challenge a wolf, tehy fight u open and fair.

...at least we can fix that part...after the battles are over...there wont be any doubts as to who is the best on the battlefield.. even though battlefield skill doesnt mean much when you talk about the strength of a clan.
u saying here ur stronger outside the battlefield? well your code of honor sucks really and needs a clean up. i wonder why your clan elders let u post this mess.


furthermore when i see an (ex)fear using an ugly name than in my cosideration its an ugly member of that time and not a fearmember.

u have to get your own history right....
ST period, Fear one of teh strongest clans and very active

MI period, Feared decline since many left the battlefields, or at least were much left active than ever before. and fear was certainly not one of the strongest clans. sorry for u. its a miracle imo that u were a runnerup last year wich was based on anciency (imo). it was u yourself who grabbed teh left ends togeher to give fear a new impuls and u did well. even amp uses his fear name again more often.

well teh wolves are preparing for teh Great Annual Hunt

teh GAH...

[FasT]

Better add Wolf_SWoosh to our list http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Tera]

Here it goes again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif And some wonder why Clan campaigns don't last till the end.

Let's get it straight, peeps are interested in who is the best now, not two years ago - get it resolved on the battlefield. That's the WHOLE point of this challenge, ain't it anyway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

GL

[FasT]

ok lets bring it on...
i better get my ass online and do some training http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Sure be fun though As long as my army doesnt see Elmo face i should be ok...Its enuf to rout any army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Kocmoc]

yes guys, come on let us play and fight at the battlefields...

*looks left and right......and search for all this many listed fears*


Btw, we playing from 12:00 till 01:00 GMT.
this means: 03:00 am till 04:00 pm (west)
i start soon with playing in the morning, so im around from
05:00pm till 03:00 am (west), so lets hope i meet all this guys.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

cu guys and if u realy want i let u win soem games, so u will be happy and if ur happy, im happy as well....*draws love in the air* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


gnight ladys and gentlemen


ur always nice and helpful ....
near never arrogant....
sometimes losing....
hating losing.....
non corner sitter....
no spanish player....
balance army lover....

Kocmoc


and now calm down and be nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[FearofNC]

edited due to mikes post...seems that was a good ending and the fire doesnt need anymore wood..i think we agree to disagree...but i am looking foward to playing some good competitive battles.

[Magyar Khan]

yeah why not just play on fair maps and we collect all results, after a month we have enuf input to make some analyses.

edited due Fasts post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[FearofNC]

maybe you were joking magyar...but that sounds like a good format to me...1 month of competition...where are 2 clans try and play as many games as possible on fair maps with fair settings...battles will be saved and after a period of time we can look at the results and try to draw some conclusions..possibly use a third party judge...if no clear winner can be declared after this time period then we could try a more structured event....if this was your suggestion, then i agree...let the games begin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Magyar Khan]

i am looking into making a tool to analyse full directories of logfiles
but why dont u start challenging RTK clan for some clanwarbelt battles, eventually the day may come for fear to runner up to it

[FearSimbol]

If you guys let me said some, I dont Understand why people start a war Agains Spanish Player. Is not fair my famyli is from Spain so i really like use spain.

Of course with all this Spain suck stuff i have change my play to many others factions but some times i realy want play with spain.

Magy, Reod and Me play with you last nitgh you win, and we acept it without get angry, but i play and i did not know that we are at war.

I am the more weak Fear cause i never play shogun and never play online before and I have 4 moths playing online. My skills are not enouf to play with you Magy if i know that day that we are at war i did not play with you.

I dont want that a Clan leader start saying that i suck. so i want you remember that i am a new player.

I think this Batles must be for fun, and you wolf clan can be sure never will get from Simbol bad words during this War and i will make the best to make the strees low in our 2 clans.

Good Luck to All in this competition.
Cyou online

[Magyar Khan]

well ur very nice simboll, u could be a wolf.:flirt:

well u can play spanish as long as u dont lean to much to teh lancers and that oter unit i heard of. dont know the name. i noticed wolf-aleborg uses spain too as he is from spain. but 4 lancers are gamespoilers.

so go to teh foyer and keep playing us.

[Reod]

simbol:
primo - dont forget about swoosh coz he might feel offended http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
secundo - never again say anything in my name
third one (end of my foreign language knowledge lol) - be a FEAR dont toady khan...u have no honour or what??? another one who disappointed me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

khan:
"4 lancers are gamespoilers" - tell it to ur ally m8
"tool to analyse full directories of logfiles" - another one fine wolf production in visual basic??? just a sarcastic smile m8, very sarcastic one...

[FearofNC]

i have no problem with simbol playing the kahn...this is a competitiion...not a "war" ...in order for this to be fair i think players shouldnt avoid fighting each other because of a precieved level of skill... weather you win or lose simbol isnt as important as the fact that you try... in order for this to be a worthy competition we need more than a mere handful of battles to judge.

but that gets me to another point... do we agree on the format? when is it to start or has it started already? i eagerly await your reply.

[Magyar Khan]

reod i told it my female wolf ally better notr to take spanish but undercover nooby swooshy did what she did, also that she shouldnt take a catapult as corner player.

simbol ur always welcome in our games. its best way to become the best to play the best http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Reod]

m very very sorry swoosh (of course SHE) but every they i become smarter so never again i'll make such a mistake...

maybe i should stay quiet for some time?
good idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Reod]

of course:
I AM
and of course:
EVERY DAY

i definitely need some rest

[Magyar Khan]

nc hows the balance now after a week? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif

we wait for the fears for the belt,

[Kocmoc]

*draws all the heads to the foots of his khan*


yeah baby, got some fears.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


koc

[Magyar Khan]

well as requested by reod, he wanted to see the screenpics i made during the game.

a game on his request

my advantages before the game...
i hosted early
i was defender
i decided about climate, map (carcano) and stuff.

http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/reod1.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/reod2.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/reod3.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/reod4.jpg

after some lost early skirmishes with cav he retreated to teh corner. i wonder who learns a new player things like this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

he lost and he would not loose again against the old fun army.

i have some theory about people being able to beat or lose to it such an army when tehy see it for teh first time.

it was a fun game and all praise should go to reod, brave enuf to join me.

Replay for download
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t54320....cav.mrp (http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/reodallcav.mrp)

[Paolai]

Reod is one of the nicer guy on MTW....also if he is a Fear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


howl

[FasT]

AH all cav again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

hehe if only arrows killed more.....then again Magyar is a powerful enuf with them already http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[FearofNC]

well well... has it already been a week?? well koc u ask me about the balance... i will say that ive lost 6 and won 7..

lost
2 1v1's vs koc
2 1v1's vs paolai
2 2v2 vs paolai and mag with simbol as ally

won
2 1v1's vs nash
2 1v1's drb
1 1v1 vs paolai
1 3v3 me, mizi, and crom vs ted,nash,drb
1 2v2 vs swoosh and paolai


but my clanm8's are doin much better... weve collected all the logs and many replays...all of course will be available after the competition...

but just to give u guys a sneak preview here ya go ...

http://www.fearfulways.com/pics/drb1.jpg


http://www.fearfulways.com/pics/drb2.jpg


oh...and lets not forget to show what else can happen when u bring that army kahn http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif download alternate ending here (http://www.fearfulways.com/downloads/simbolstrophy.zip)

so far the battles have been fun and the guys are really enjoying this...lets keep up the good spirit and may the best clan win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[baz]

looks good seems you guys have played a few games together which is nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Paolai]

NC.....ask to Reod wich is our score....;)...maybe u are missing some wolves wins http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Paolai]

there is also 1 3v3 that fears lost against me Mag & Koc....plz check better the score NC (it was against Simbol, Fucy and another one, but sorry i dont remeber who was)

[Magyar Khan]

well as u know nc we have some stuff to think about for the clan war belt and teh campaign but no u speak about "competition" than its one good impuls to get more wolves interested to focus on teh wolves. actually nash drb ted and evilc dont know whats going on really for now.

well i myself have hardly a loss against any fear, besides your cornercamping and simbol doing well vs my fun army. thats 2 in total.

i am glad that u give my wolves reasons to stay interested in teh game, for every bug they encounter 2 victims must pay teh price.

[Paolai]

NC, are you sure that it is a Fears vs Wolves war and not NC vs Wolves war? It seems to me that you are taking that too seriously....

[Swoosh So]

Lol wins v newbie swoosh and drb worthy of most feared clan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[BomilkarDate]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Just battle it out on the field and not in the forums.

@Swoosh:
Why not? If the "newbies" are part of the Clan, battles against them must be counted. If not, this would just be a "most feared players group fight" with the best 2 or 3 wolves against the best 2 or 3 fears. But it is meant to be a Clan War. Some other things come to my mind

1. Newbie Swoosh beat me (and 13 other guys in a row if I am right)
2. Newbie DRB is nominated for a HoF for most improved player.
3. Simbol has not been here too long, too.

Enough words lost in other Clans affairs

ELITEofBOMILKAR

EDIT: As I just saw once more your khan is taking care of clan issues very quickly. I won't post anything in here again. And just as a remark: "All things mentioned only represent my personal thoughts and must not be mistaken for ELITES opinion".

[Magyar Khan]

well drb is much capable enuf to seek justice in this on teh field of battles, just like yourself swoosh...

[FearSimbol]

Paolai, the batle of 3 vs 3 was vs FearAmp, FearSimbol and other guy not Fear was Weliam

And we lost it is true that is posted in our members Forum.

Nc only is posting his batles there not the others Clan members http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

So that is only the batles of Nc.

The others batles that we have, we count it too dont worry Guys. I Just want make a Remark, I have lose some batles but my wins was BIG just because i am only a improve Player that trie hard.

I have to give thx to Komoc and Magy because they give to me some Good Advices. Thx Wolves http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And of course my clans m8s that give me a lot too specialy fucy, Amp and Nc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

I dont want post my Win vs Loses until the end. Because I dont like people think that I am saying I am better than you or better than him or wherever. Or of course that people said to me I am better than you or wherever.

Just I want stay cool enjoy this competence and trie become better every Day, because when I Lose I Learn from you Wolves http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif and when i win I fell glad that you was my enemy because i know that a lot of you are great Players.

And like I Said before Just Enjoy this.

O I forguet. Kocmoc you said to me last night that I will find out that my clan is not the most Feared. That not matter to me, I am in this clan because Fears are my Friends when i was a newbiew they help me and play with me and the best was that when i make crap out there newbiew they dont blame me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif so i ask to join for that we play for fun. But I see our 2 clans this Way: I play at nitgh(my time) you play at day(Your time is nitgh of course, but for me is day) so we are only the 2 most Feared Clans http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif 1 Clan in 1 time and the other in the other time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif and The day and the Night never can be toguether but they are equal Strong that is my point komoc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Thx for the games wolves i realy enjoy they http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Paolai]

This is the good spirit I like to see Simbol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


I was referring to that Simbol, NC wrote:
but my clanm8's are doin much better... weve collected all the logs and many replays...all of course will be available after the competition...

Are they really doing?
Have I to start to save all the replay files too? Or only the ones against NC?

At the moment we have a score 3v1 for me, but have I to show you the replay files to prove that I am stronger than him? No thx, I dont mind, if NC is thinking he is stronger than us....well, he is loosing the possibility to improve his skill

[Magyar Khan]

ro reod and u simbol, dont look onto the wins and loss by themselves. there is more beyond that. the last step in learning is how to make your units "dance" and learning from victories.

even if i lose some games i consider them having won if my enemy crawls around the mapedges into a corner to get every bonus from teh terrain he can get. sun tzu might learn u to take advantage of teh terrain, but in TW it should be done within the range of good sportmanship.

[Swoosh So]

Lol bolkimer that was on my third day back those 3 wins i played nc on the first night or second and got cav rushed by lancers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Swoosh So]

With regards to most feared clan outside of wolves id say its elite jerico is awesome and i hear you guys have jemase Also all a good few oldies like fogolyn and bill, You balkimer were a great opponent too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif What i meant about newbie swoosh was that i wasent at the time a good barometer of the clans strength how good was anyone after a days playing? On the third day i began to get the nack of the game.

[Kocmoc]

well, our games was fun rick some nice moves was done and i dont care so much about all the wins and losses.
i didnt saved replays and i dont count all the battles i played vs the fears. ofcourse i can look at the logfiles.....but this may took some time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

i jsut know that i tryed to play any fear, who was online...
thx to amp and simbol, wich joined some of my games and showed alot honour.

a short overview.....but i may miss some games...

i didnt lost any game till now...

i won vs simbol
vs nc
vs amp and simbol
in 3v3´s...just cant remember all the games...

but it should be around 7 or 8 wins all together.....well, thats my part of this "battle"....
I dont take it too serios, as i have a lot fun to play u guys, its always a challange to play u....ofcourse its a bit boring, if u win all the time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

so, lets have fun and some more battles....

koc

[FearofNC]

its nice to see so many woves react when they hear that they might actually be losing... when i listed the battles...i just put mine up there...but yes...everyone has been emailing me logs and replays of all wolf battles...wins and losses.... so its not that hard for me to count..

paolai: ive got a few battle logs from partial clan games..but not quite sure how much those should count...maybe if there is an independent judge at the end of this they will want to see them...so ill collect as many as possible.

magyar: if your members werent aware that they were being challenged then whos fault is that... and as a former haba winner and owner of 2 shiney stars for comp victories i would hope that you would be tough to beat..maby you should play amp 5-10 times with all cav... im sure 99% of community would be more interested in those battles then yours vs. reod.

paolai: actually...i consider it more of an invasion... fear is growing lager than our borders of nightime play..and weve decided to come and challenge you on your own home court.. and yes i am taking this seriously... wars are not fought by nonchalant commanders.

swoosh: *nc hands tissue to swoosh*

paolai: just becasue you win 2 out of 3 doesnt make you better...it just means that now im still hunting you.. if i win next 2 out of 3 are when then equal players? i would think at this point you would relize that anybody can beat anyone and a couple of battles doesnt show who is better...and to your question... it doenst matter to me if you save your replays or logs ... we are keeping them for you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

magyar: i agree compleatly....thats why we are collecting many battles and will look at them in totality at the end of our crusade...like this one (http://www.fearfulways.com/downloads/ncvsnash.zip)

swoosh: reod was the one that beat u ...and he had no lancers... ive made it a point to try and bring same faction in these battles.. i only picked spain becasue you switched to them..i have replay of the battle in case you need a reminder...if you now have the "knack" for the game i suggest you try a few more battles to see where you stand...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif cya online ;O

[Reod]

nc - give swoosh some time
after few more days she'll differ lancers from polish retainers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FearofNC]

koc: ah my old m8...yes i enjoyed both battles... good tatics and a good time.. and yes ive noticed that your still undeafeated http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

but you of all the wolves have understood what this is about in some ways...altough you think ive gone mad or that im on an evil quest of revenge.. u still see that this is creating good battles and giving more purpose to the game..but alas...i think im going to have to send a fear to ur house to break ur fingers...maybe the only way we can beat you is if you have to use your toes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[FasT]

Didnt kocmoc tell u????

Well he only uses one hand now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif When he plys me he only uses 1 finger and still wins... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Anywaz guys lets keep this fun and not stir any trouble or u got little FasT to answer 2http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
GL in all ur battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Paolai]

NC, sorry, what I said its a little different, I'll try to be more clear: you are not strong, I have played you 4 times 3 wins 1 lost, but you are not strong not because you have lost 3 times, you are not strong because you have not talent, because you dont do nothing special, because you are there, waiting for somethings, without creative or imagination. Look, look better at your replay files http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Sorry if I was a bit rude this time NC, but this is what I think

[FasT]

Send FasT the replays plzs.......As i can judge after all im the master tactian.. :)Send them here i will look @ them over next few days markuk@ntlworld.com

[FearofNC]

i dont think that was rude http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif and ill try very hard to change your opinion about me and my skills in the very near future

[Kocmoc]

as i didnt saved the replay....its bad it got lost.... maybe nc can post it here?
it shows some great moves...

[youssof_Toda]

It's hard to do something special in MTW against skilled oponents.

[Paolai]

......Youssof, look at AMP Magy & Koc, they can also loose some games, but you can see in them the talent, the creativity, the ideas. All their moves have a sense, they do at max 2 mistakes at game, difficult they make more. They have a clear plan on their mind at the beginning of a game, but they can change it if it is necessary. They are "feared" players, they are strong players, they have skill, talent, this is what i meant. The replay files I like to watch are the ones that they have played, surely not the one where i have beaten NC........very boring....:)

[Magyar Khan]

well nc to make it clear for once again.

evilc ted aleborg drb arent even fully aware of this. i will inform them when i see them on msn.

a true TW player would see the difference between mine all cav army, based on 7 weak horsearchers and teh thin loose lines of amp. its a difference of style and attitude towards the game. we both are rude and arrogant, that wont chance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
i am fully confident amp will beat mine version of teh all cav army 100%. i never pretended it was very strong, its my fun army to give me a "free feeling", to show my skill, to show teh enemy there are more ways to play teh game, and mostly to warm me up. ist just what i like to do most. i never understood what most fears do search on teh map edges...The Lost Charm of Honourability? I simply dunno.

But as i said again i dont rely on taking the strongest unit (and unitcombos) but i rely on creativity and teh Art of teh battles.

reod sended me a replay against evilC, its surely a win i didnt even looked. i ahve seen enugf from him in my game. my army is stupidly weak for those who lack creativity and experience. reod lacked both. ofcourse u can find some less experienced wolves. but we dont encourage them to camp in edges, corners and woods. i solely encourage them to fight in teh open as any clanleader of TW should do. if u cant beat someone in teh open map then u have lost already, even if u managed to win.

nash record against fucyu and paolais record against reod tells me enuf. you and your clan need more training and eventually u will be ready.
what suprises me as well is that with you starting thsi topic u gave the impression fears are at least teh 2nd strongest clan. sorry but imo elite is at least of same strength.

well i hope it dont offended anyone mentioned in this post.

[FasT]

Quote[/b] (youssof_Toda @ Jan. 16 2003,18:32)]It's hard to do something special in MTW against skilled oponents.
Best to get into their minds http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

AMP,Magyar,kocmoc have probably plyd the most games in the STW/MTW series....practice makes perfect...
Then there's the tactical side..nobody no better tactically minded than Magyar.

Its catch up time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Magyar Khan]

shouldnt u go to bed Fast? but ur right. practice makes perfect although some will never learn the Art of War and how to execute it in TW. I hope my replaypage help tehse people to free up tehir mind.

TW is a wargame but the number of tacticians playing thsi game is limited. perhaps cuz u need skill to move the mouse think fast and make plans. and pressing teh right buttons (my weakest point of teh four mentioned).
I dont hope TW roman end up in a buttonclicking show to get all formations right liek in warcraft 3, my fingers are to thick for that.

somethimes i miss the enemies (esp in multies) that really create and execute a nice plan. i admire teh hard work of people to study stats, try every unitcombo possible and bash their heads time after time..... but TW can be played succesfully without teh need of hard work.

once, years ago, i posted on .com about how to become amongst teh communities best. a list of 10 needs. maybe i will do it again.

[Magyar Khan]

i just ordered a Wolf to guard Kocs house http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Swoosh So]

Thanks for the tissue its -4 deg here and ive a cold http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif nc i dont mind losing im hopless at mtw, i just find it amusing for u to pop my name in your "ego" post, then go on about best clan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif , You know our strongest players the ones who represent the true strength of the clan, i suggest u play those players more and you will see your own failings, I think most feared clan (you know the haba award you always bleat about) is about personality as well as skill, I dont see so much personality from the fears these days, I dont mean the last part as an insult (i mean online personality). Symbol is a nice fear maybe u learn some nice things from him http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Magyar Khan]

yes simbol is exceptional nice, i must ask my shaman Cagan if he sees a nice future for him within teh wolves.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Kocmoc]

i full agree about simbol

and im sure with some hardcore training he could reach a very high level.


koc

[youssof_Toda]

*read before reading the rest of this post*

With something special I mean taking other than the standard pav covered by spears and heavy cav to finish the job. Even taking a particular faction (I bear muslims in mind) gives you a distinct disadvantage from the start before units have even been picked.

An army I fielded: Russian based army: 3 step cav 2 alan merc cav 4 boyars 3 pavs 2 catapults and 2 pikemen. If I were to take such an army against a skilled oponent do you honestly think I would stand a chance? Magy showed me his all cav a few times in STW and I too find em enjoyable to play. It was more of a question how you used the units instead of which one you took.

The other day I played a battle with MK_Henry with an russian all cav army. It wasn't my best battle but to me it was the most enjoyable so far in MTW. I think Henry even agreed with me: "most tactical battle I've played so far". The fact that I lost didn't realy matter to me cuz I liked that game. It was also nice that Henry felt that way cuz sometimes ppl can even get agressive when you field such an army.

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[FasT]

Dear Orlok Kocmoc when will FasT get some hardcore training? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[FearSimbol]

Fast i am better in 1 vs 1 batles if you want we can train toguether but the macth will dont count for the Fearfull vs wolves competence will be only a practic ok?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FasT]

Kool..heheh im better in team ply i guess http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FasT]

AH i be busy over next few days + im off to London next week
Gezzzsss FasT is a busy guy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[FearofNC]

a messanger comes riding in:

"news from the front sire"

"well be quick lad, how does it go?"

"your advancing generals send this reply:"

" nc,
the horde is in a genral retreat...their defenses have been broken and their supply trains captured, even now we are installing new governors for the lands now under our control. We sent you a few tons of gold with a messanger as well. seems the horde has unsuccesfuly tried to bribe some of Fears generals, we cut off there heads and sent them back in catapults. The reserve armies have now arrived and as you read this we should be assulting there last lines of defenses. "

"anything else messanger?"

*hands over latest replay* (http://www.fearfulways.com/downloads/allcav.zip)

"hurry back and send more news soon"

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[bosdur]

Very good job with the cavalry NC, clearly one of your most glorious mp battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, I would trade 100 wins for yours http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. I guess the close proximity might give magyar some surprise factor. This clearly put me a bit at ease when losing vs all cav army, clearly even the best players can lose when fighting such an army. How long the battle lasted ? 5 minutes ?

[Magyar Khan]

3 seconds, and i went on watching tv. i was a bit lazy not to "listen" where he deployed. and i was suprised as well cuz normally they hide in a corner. it seems my words worked out on him and was effectuated in an highly creative army and solution.

well it was a rematch and he did what he had to do, to make the result even.

good job nc, keep up teh good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[FearofNC]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif someone has to prove koc doesnt use anti-routing sofware

besides....the game before that one where you won...u2 camped on a hill, used map edge as border, and brought cataputs..yet you say that we camp...lol (http://www.fearfulways.com/downloads/macscats.zip).. when you do it its called using the terrian...but when we do it its called camping...when fighting occurs near trees or is localised to 1/4th of the map...i get accused of tree and corner camping (http://www.fearfulways.com/downloads/p.zip) even though all the dead bodies are in the open ...pff..you have too much of a double standered.

*nc hands whole case of tissues to magyar*

its ok magyar...this will all be over soon... are clan scribe is currently prepairing terms for your surrender and will present them soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

cya online ;O

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Magyar Khan]

lol bending my words wherever u can isnt it.

concerning the camping i was referring to one of your masterfull wins over the wolves, remember the game with your spanish lancers?

http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/campingnc2.jpg

well when u look closer to the radar....

http://home.tiscali.nl/~t543201/web-wolves/wolves-replays/campingnc1.jpg

so who is using edges and corners? although i m never happy seeing someone crawling like this its a compliment as well to the opponent.

now upload that replay NC, the one before your cavrush. i even didnt save.
show me who uses edges and who stays a fair distance away from it.... if i remember well i even let 2 knights of yours climb teh edges-steep and flank me/us. maybe im wrong.

maybe it will show us all how u evaluate battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

better stop trying to accuse me of doing things which u do only yourself or u make us all cry of laughing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
clan fear is just not ready to face the wolves, despite of all your replays of wins. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Kongamato]

Slick

Saving images of the minimap in a game for the trial afterwards

[Kocmoc]

well, to lose some words,

NC, i just cant understand u and i realy did try it.... but all what i see...is a guy who want to win on any costs.
U turn and stretch words and things wich happend to ur advance. U just show ur victs and hardly show ur losses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I saw this as a challange, but if u come and just all-cav-rush us, than it isnt a challange for me... i expect "normal" armys in such battles, to make it fair....and give every team the chance to win.

as we offered a rematch before the first game started, it was all ok,....but u lost badly and tha u got mad.

yes, plz post the first battle as well, and let us show u can move and field ur army, it will increase surely some of our skills... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

plz, remember what u did all to ensure ur victory....u cant say to us...we camped or sit on the border or in a corner, we never did this
in our 1v1, the first what u did, was to move to the highest hill of this map... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

well, ur tricky and its very hard to speak with u, as u close ur eyes and dont look left and right. This isnt a challange
maybe ur challange, so write ur win and loss ratio, but its not just about wins and losses, its about How u win and How u play, and ur jsut an unhonourable player.

so plz stop this and go and challange someone who play at ur "level"... there are many new players out, wich will be proud by playing ur clan and im sure u do very well.


koc

[Alrowan]

whinge whinge whine

honestly, he is playing the game within the rules allowed, and he is winning. If you want to win so badly then win at all costs. You dont lose any honour by this, but you lose face when you whine and complain. Hence why i am rooting for Fearful Ways after such a long debate in my head

[baz]

well im a neutral here, i can see that both teams are good TW players but i dont like the mini map shot above .. not very sportmanlike imo .. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif will be interesting to see the result http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

If u ask me i think these games should be structured with rules agreed by all parties, as its obvious if there arent the team with the most h cav will win (am i wrong?), Or if not i suggest wolves use the knowledge of exploiting the game that others are using at the moment, Sigh could have been a great clan war instead its rush rush time with cav.

[Paolai]

NC, surrender terms? I have played many fears during these day....didnt they showed you the replay files? I wonder why http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Swoosh So]

Have u got a 1v1 vs nc? or did he have to go to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Swoosh So]

I tell ya this has to be structured as a tournament or itll go nowhere

[AMPage]

Waoh Nice screen shots magy, that game was way back in early december i think. I've played so many games since then i forgot about that game. It is in the past.

Hmmm.. from what i can remmeber of it and the logfile of that game it was fair on both sides.

1) NC had lancers, but magy also had 8 byz inf
2) It was flat terrain so no height adv defending there
3) I lost out on not being able to rally some pasive arbs being so close to the redzone
4) NC's good work with his lancers took out almost all there cav which played a good role since i didn't have fast powerful army
5) When both sides charged each other there was plenty of room for flank/rear attacks for both sides

So that is nothing compared to some of the edge camping i go up agianst time to time. I try to lure my enemy out and make openings when people do this, sometimes it works and sometimes it dosn't. Some people would consider bringing 8 byz inf more dishonorable then corner camping on flat terrain in no trees.

I play many ways such as; camping, rushing with all cav, using balanced armies, using weak armies, using mostly cav missile, using fun armies, ...etc So you can judge me and my playing styles anyway you like i don't mind.

I know you didn't name me directly, but those screen shots came from a game i played in. I'm just sharing my views on it and i'm not trying to start a fight.

I like playing with you wolfs and hope i can continue to do so in a friendly manner.

[Swoosh So]

Yes amp u were fun to play with as always, Just as well those werent tourney games http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Hopefully when i get back we play some games and with abit of luck ill have a nice cable connection http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Alrowan]

lol.. now that amp tells the story, he brings up som good points about the disadvantage of corner camping... the rally of the routers. Thats near impossible, so i tihnk it probabl evens out. also ally's routing friends when they are so close is another HUGE risk

i think its still fair

[Swoosh So]

I dont think so a good or even average player will be hard to beat corner camping unless in a 2v2 you attack one of their static sides and force the other to move. But whats the point the game is about movement and stuff not sitting on a perch saying go on hit me as bolimkar said i won 13 in a row on my 3rd day back static defending but it was centre back of map with some room behind me, And yes it was pretty boring, Give me maps like nagashima anyday just try corner camping on that nagashima in my opinion was the best ever map for shoggy totally fair even in 1v1 (defender gets the hill you get the woods) i loved it even better in 3v3.

[baz]

we should reall get together and try make some maps with characteristics that promote middle map play http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FearSimbol]

Ok kocmoc you know that i am a nice player and that i dont have anithing agains wolfves but i need said this.

Rememeber the game that paolai post? the 3vs3 game that you win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. well that games was vs simbol, Amp and weilian in that game AMP take all Cavs army, you guys win i am asking to my self why you not complain that day about that army, hmmmmm maybe because you win??

Paolai again Nc is talking about his batles, yes you play vs reod 2 times and reod lose, and play vs FearAce and he lose we know, and of course You and Me play but you know that was a friendly game and dont count we both agree with that so i dont send that replay i save it for you and ask you if you want it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

and Kocmoc by the way, Magy play Vs Simbol with his fun Army(like he said before) well that fun army is fun really all Cavs armys with like 7 Cavs arches and in that game i have 4 archers(foot) he have 9 Cavs vs only 3 foot soldiers(mines) and 4 feudal mens(mines) and only 3 cavs(mine) Ask hin who win i dont like be coky in foruns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif i am just making a point here.

All cavs is fair if you win? or if you use it?

But like i told you in chat room, i will be friend of you guys not matter if this chalenge continue or not http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif i am sorry if i hurts felings with my words, and before you said a lot of complain about me, yes is true you have win vs me a lot,

Kocmoc Vs Simbol 1 vs 1 he Win
2 batles FearOfNc and Fearsimbol vs XXXX(dont rememeber) and Magy i was making crap in the game and we lose both batles.

FearReod and Fearsimbol Vs FearMagy and FearSwoosh, you win

And of course i have wins but i dont will post it, i am honor player and i dont like post that I win vs some person until he turn on me.

So cyou all onlyne and remember that i play for fun, and I want be friend of all people in the foyer, a chalenge is chalenge only that, and that dont mean we have to fight in real life and stop be friendly with our enemys players, so i will be frieldy always that is what i want and that is what i will do out there, so plz wolves if you can, do the same http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bosdur]

Quote[/b] (AMPage @ Jan. 19 2003,03:51)]1) NC had lancers, but magy also had 8 byz inf
Heh, this says it all, imo byz inf is just as unbalancing as the lancers. It's much easier to control and use byz inf, I have my own version of 8 byz infantry army that I've been using since I was a noob (had a great success rate wiht them too), right now I always feel guilty if Im doing it. Most of the time however I only use them when I'm feeling lazy but want to win, so I cant understand why players who love challenge would want to use them, and talk about being honourable. Like ppl says "Elephant accross the ocean is visible, but not your own eye-dirts".

[Major Robert Dump]

I hate it when people I like fight amongst themselves. Do me a favor, everyone, and tell me you hate me so I won't care anymore http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bosdur]

I hate you DUMP

Why on Earth you have to be uglier than me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif ?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Swoosh So]

I thought byz inf were unbalanced untill i destroyed a good few players as kurogane with my cav. chiv knights and gothic knights will roast them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Even 8 of them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Alrowan]

byz inf arent too unfair, ive beaten many of them, just take cavalry and flank them fast... one routs, all follow

[bosdur]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Jan. 20 2003,00:26)]I thought byz inf were unbalanced untill i destroyed a good few players as kurogane with my cav. chiv knights and gothic knights will roast them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Even 8 of them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Oh? Come to think of it, I thought lancers were unbalanced too until I destroy them with my chiv foot knight, or my gothic knight, and on occasion I can stop and rout them with my order foot.