TotalWar: World Championships

[theKyl]

As I expect the online community to grow even more with the upcoming titles "Vikings Invasion" and especially "Rome" i had the idea about making a kind of "TotalWar: World Championships". Those Championships would not be Clan-based but being fought by reprasentative players for the nations (e.g. Italy vs. England).

Those players could be elected for each country on the org and should really be the best, fairest and most honourable players of a country (preferrably the best ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif).

Naturally, this idea is not new to online communities (mybe someone already had it in Shogun, i don't know), but for example the Counterstrike community organizes a "Nations Cup" which is famous among the CS-players and has a big success.

It would be many work of course but i think it would be worth the effort.

And at least this is only an idea...so what do you think??

[Swoosh So]

I think its a great idea But im busy at work right now so ill post more on it later http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Just out of interest which players here are also scottish?

[rasoforos]

hmmm its kinda dificult cause many countries will not be represented ....

[Magyar Khan]

good idea kyl, good luck with it

[theKyl]

I didn't say that i was now starting those Championships it was only an idea.
Well i don't think all nations are represented in football WorldCup. We have: Germany, Italy, USA, Canada(?), Spain, France, England/UK maybe Scotland if there are enough, Poland, Russia, Malta http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif, Netherlands, Luxembourg (maybe together with Netherlands (BeNeLux), Liechtenstein http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, Austria (We could make an Alps-nation, Australia.....would be enough for a little tourney.

It was more an idea for the future of the TW Community. If you look at Rome's great graphics you can be sure that the number of totalwar players will increase heavily and that we will have a much bigger (Online-)Community in a year or so. Not to mention all the people who don't play online but could be encouraged to do.
I think the problem of Medieval is that it has err...not really terrifying graphics. If it would look better, much more people would play it.
At least i would never be able to organise such a huge thing on my own. We would need someone who makes a hp, someone who maybe makes a little Intro, someone who helps on developping the rules, a referee (Switzerland would be good, no country is more neutral http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) and some crazy men and women who put a huge effort in this project.

I would prefer playing myself, but as i am german i don't have big chances, there are too many good players round here.

If there are many people willing to organise this i will help but i got school and other hobbies and friends and i don't want to spend much more time at the Pc as i do now.

[Magyar Khan]

well if the balancing and longelivity value in twr is less than we have now u will certainly have more people once released but within a few months the mp community is down to 50 players soon.

[Alastair II]

I dislike the idea of a country-based championship, because if there are more players from one country than another, then the latter's players will get a better chance to compete in the championship. I prefer a system of 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 championships, where in the higher numbers there would be a team championship. The championship for each would be determined at first by either a Swiss tourney (1 point for win, 0 for draw, then all those with 1 point play each other, all those with 0 play each other, etc, no eliminations) or a double elimination tourney. Then once the pool shrinks, we can start to have multi-game matches between people, and eliminate the losers of those. Then, after a champion is found, in the next cycle (either annual or biannual or whatever you like), the same system is used to provide a challenger, which plays a long (4+ games) match w/ the champion. Just a suggestion.

[theKyl]

Zitat[/b] (Magyar Khan @ Feb. 15 2003,12:08)]well if the balancing and longelivity value in twr is less than we have now....
Why should it be less?
Think positive so even tall trees can feel the strong and big winds they catch as a gentle breeze. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

At least we can all make suggestions to the CA for RTW as we have the Medieval (and Shogun) Experience, and i don't think CA will just ignore our suggestions if we make them.

@Alastair: I said that i would suggest it because the community WILL become bigger. There's no real reason against a nations based tourney, it would be something different and like in football or basketball there are stronger and weaker nations. I suggest the top-favorites would be Germany, England, Italy and perhaps the USA. Still, there are little countries like Netherlands or Austria and Luxemburg and so on who have excellent players.
With the CWB and the 1v1 tourney for example we already have a kind of World Championship. But the first one is clanbased and the second one more like the olympic games.

[Ryttare]

theKyl >>> Leaving out the nordic countries??? There is a bounch of players from up here too.

[theKyl]

ooops sorry i simply forgot them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

OK so we now would have furthermore: Sweden (&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, Finland, Norway and Denmark.

and now....please stop hurting me nash and Ryttare

[LRossaLordJimi]

I think this is a good idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
I think i will help you if you need. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
But only 1 player for nation don't work so good i think...the nations with much skillness maybe can have 2-3 players.
Ave

[theKyl]

-i didn't say only one player per nation. I didn't think about the kind of battles but 3v3 would be best imo.

[theKyl]

any other comments?

[Magyar Khan]

when will it start? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[theKyl]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Maybe there's a good organizer out there who will take the idea and make a good tourney of that. I would offer some help of course.

[Dionysus9]

Quote[/b] (theKyl @ Feb. 15 2003,14:29)]
Quote[/b] (Magyar Khan @ Feb. 15 2003,12:08)]well if the balancing and longelivity value in twr is less than we have now....
Why should it be less?
Think positive so even tall trees can feel the strong and big winds they catch as a gentle breeze. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

At least we can all make suggestions to the CA for RTW as we have the Medieval (and Shogun) Experience, and i don't think CA will just ignore our suggestions if we make them.
Heh, First off-- good idea on the world-tourney. It would be fun.

Second, my positive attitude has been pretty well crushed over the last two years. Multiplayer support and balancing has been at the same (very low) level for a loooong time with no signs of improvement. Some of our suggestions do get implemented, but often there is a step back for every step forward.

Fact is CA has made it clear they market this game to SP players, not MP. They say less than 10% of purchasers even try MP--so why try to server that low percent?

I think word of mouth is important, and MP players are very vocal and want to get friends involved. I think MP support would vastly improve sales overall, but CA doesn't see it that way.

So, unfortunately, we have been conditioned to expect the worst.

[Alrowan]

its actually a really good idea. If i have some time i might take a look into this more

basically you would need the tourney to run something like this.

1. Registation period - all people can register
2. Trials period - all plyers from certan countries can trial players to make the final teams of 3
3. Competitive period - ill explain some ideas.


for the competitive period you could run it a few ways. Say we get 12 countries, then we can put them into pools of 3 where they play each other twice, once in defence and once in offence. a points system would be used to score wins (bonus points if all three attackers remain, or a point to loosers if they rout an attacker.)
points would lok like this:

4 pts - win
1 pt - rout one of the winners general
1 pt - all three generals remain

so in all thats 5 pts per game

after the pools are played out we could then get the top team from each pool to form a final pool, points are then scored the same. Once two teams are at the top of the final pool we have a grand final. The team at the top of the pool would get to chose attack or defence, so they have that advantage from winning.

any more thoughts on this? i really think we can do it, and start it soon for that matter. This structure can be used for MTW, STW or whatever, just get your teams together and we will see......

hell i think im going to open up a ezboard forum for this soon. Im thinking this is a great idea

[Alrowan]

ok, well ive made a forum for it at ezboards. I am hoping to have 2 others helping me with this. If you are interested, post here

[Alrowan]

Total War Championship Forum (http://pub37.ezboard.com/btotalwarworldchampionship)

take a look, just whizzed it up now. Kyl, go register and ill make you admin to help me with this, i need another person as well who will be willing to help. Basically i want to see this open for registration once Koc's tourney is over, then ill try have it beginning a few weeks later.

[Aleborg]

Quote[/b] (Alrowan @ Feb. 17 2003,19:35)]for the competitive period you could run it a few ways. Say we get 12 countries, then we can put them into pools of 3 where they play each other twice, once in defence and once in offence. a points system would be used to score wins (bonus points if all three attackers remain, or a point to loosers if they rout an attacker.)
points would lok like this:
Hey, very nice idea indeed

One thing, one problem could be the making of the first pools.
We have to make some favourite countries in order to dont put them in the same pool so they can fight after in the final rounds (like champions league in football). Of course it will be very hard, and we need our better intentions and honesty to determinate the real favourites countries (of course Malta wont be... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ).

Ok ok Tera, perhaps u will be, but only if u have some friends there with great skills, coz if it is only up to u... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Pls, dont mention about spain, we have nice players in celtis... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Alrowan]

well ive been thinking about the smaller countries, if there are a few places with only 1 - 2 entrants, i may merge some so we can make more teams for those who really want to partake.

as far as the countries with a larger player base go, i will see on the sign up which these are, then categorise the countries, like grade 1, 2, and 3... 1 being a lot of people wanting to try out, 2, an average number, and 3, a small number. Ill try spread grade 1 countries out a little, but the others will be more of a mix.

[Knight_Yellow]

id be in for it but seriously we all know id win so theres no point even turning ur computers on.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Alrowan]

lol, well i fear scotland might be one of the majo contenders... got some good players up there i hear... i guess theyve been training generals for the war with england http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Brutal DLX]

I think the 3 best players of a nation should be determined locally, and then, once they are found out, apply for the Championship at your site. Of course you would need a respected person from each nation to verify the validity of the participants. These persons should also organise local competitions..
Also, if there should be nations who can't come up with 3 players, then let them fight some 1v1s to determine the 3 (or 6 or 9...) best ones, who will form teams then. If they like one another, that is. This can be used to get an even number of teams for group play.
Once that is done, I think group matches are in order, just like football championship, but I would completely randomise the groups so as to give nobody an advantage. If they are really the best, then they should also show that in the group matches too, not just get "easy" opponents so that they might advance.
All matches should be 2 legs, one attack, one defend, but I think the Final should be just one game "winner takes all".
Who is attacker and who is defender shouldn't matter then,
both nations have to try to win. Camping will get them nowhere.

[Knight_Yellow]

well i know theres a lot of scotts playing mp and i would like to think im in the top 3 at least.

just curious how could we get a proper random match up i mean sum1 has to decide it and they might be biased, i would be anyway.

[Alrowan]

its not to hard to make a random match up... simply give every team a number, make a simple program that puts out random numbers, then you have it, a random order, just divide the list into 4 parts, and you have your 4 pools

[Swoosh So]

There were a good 3-4 scottish players when i player regularly dont know if they still play wasent jod scottish? Whats your online name? Id hope im in the top 2 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[LittleGrizzly]

maybe we could merge wales and england together as wales wont raise enough i dont think and there is a problem england has too many good players spoon and monsta (and thats people i now.....)

[Kongamato]

Perhaps the games should not allow more than one member of a certain clan in each national team.

[Alrowan]

well its up to the countries who they chose to play... im going to make an official anouncment on this soon. The site is nearly ready, and the forums are up, only a matter of tim before the nations of the world start bidding thier best against each other