PDA

View Full Version : Designating Heirs



Galestrum
03-11-2003, 02:47
Hey i have come up with what i think is a nifty idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

RTW will span a few centuries, so unless we have an immortal general (cringes at the thought), i assume we will have families/clans/lines etc that are like faction leaders from previous RTW.

Why not allow us the opportunity to designate heirs? Caesar chose Augustus but he could have selected Marc Anthony, this could lead to some interesting intrigue and what not, rebellious inept brat sons (like commodous in gladiator) and the good general maximus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

you get the point, often heirs were chosen, why not have this as an option? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

Elwe
03-11-2003, 03:02
Sounds like a very good idea to me...

and the spurned son will rouse the rabble in discontent, forment discord among the legions... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers.

Heraclius
03-11-2003, 04:01
I was actually confusedc about this as well. I've been reading that when you play the Roman campaign you are one Roman faction among many. How would heirs be handled? After all, it was a republic but getting elected to power seem rather unfeasible. Appointing your heir might also happen or just a father to son thing. I think what will decide this issue is what the "factions" are, whether they be families, allied clans political parties etc etc. An interesting question.

Galestrum
03-11-2003, 09:31
i see a disturbing trend here, only elwe and heraclius answer my posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

spmetla
03-11-2003, 10:31
Erasing the past...

Heraclius
03-11-2003, 20:19
Quote[/b] (Galestrum @ Mar. 11 2003,02:31)]i see a disturbing trend here, only elwe and heraclius answer my posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
It's a secret but the others are too slow to grasp your fine ideas. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

redrooster
03-11-2003, 21:41
choose your heir?..... wat is a heir?....... choose what? oh choose your heir..... wat is a heir......is it air or hair......

Heraclius
03-11-2003, 22:04
Quote[/b] (redrooster @ Mar. 11 2003,14:41)]choose your heir?..... wat is a heir?....... choose what? oh choose your heir..... wat is a heir......is it air or hair......
see what I mean, galestrum? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Galestrum
03-11-2003, 22:35
lolol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Hakonarson
03-11-2003, 22:49
During this time Rome was mostly a Republic, with anual elections of Consuls who led the main armies.

So ther eshould be no heirs at all - rather generals get replaced every year with a fresh bunch - most of whom are no-hopers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

However there weer some generals who got themselves re-elected as Consuls when the rules got changed, or who held other appointments that didnt' expire annually such as Dictator or were allowed to be re-elected for successive terms - Scipio Africanus was one.

His initial appointment in Spain was as "privatus cum imperio" - "comander without office" - ie he wasn't Consul, Proconsul, Praetor or pro-praetor.

He was subsequently elected Consul in 205, with responsibility for Sicily, and had to suffer some fairly ferocious political attacks.

he was consul again in 194, having held the office of Censor - the senior political post in Rome in between.

Many of the consuls from 200-190 were his relatives, and while he had no formal powers his brither, Scipio Asiaticus, was probably the "real" commander of the Roman army during the Magnesia campaign.

Heraclius
03-11-2003, 22:53
what you said is true Hakonarson but in RTW we will be playing as Roman factions inside Rome itself. Presumably we will not be one of the two consuls, who were the heads of state of the Republic. I'm really curious to find out what these "mini-factions" will be. When we find that out we will know how heirs will be chosen.

Galestrum
03-12-2003, 02:31
*nods at heraclius the great greek* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Elwe
03-12-2003, 02:48
We can always dream, though.. no? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers.

Hakonarson
03-12-2003, 03:31
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,15:53)]what you said is true Hakonarson but in RTW we will be playing as Roman factions inside Rome itself.
Oh? I hadn't heard that

How much of Rome will we get to play in 264 then - when it's just a couple (well 4 or 5 maybe) of provinces in Central Italy??

Heraclius
03-12-2003, 03:46
Quote[/b] (Hakonarson @ Mar. 11 2003,20:31)]
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,15:53)]what you said is true Hakonarson but in RTW we will be playing as Roman factions inside Rome itself.
Oh? I hadn't heard that

How much of Rome will we get to play in 264 then - when it's just a couple (well 4 or 5 maybe) of provinces in Central Italy??
I don't know what area we will control. Its all a matter of what a "faction" is.

hmmmmm "Heraclius the Great Greek" I like that. I wonder if they'd let me put that on my license plate? Or maybe a tatoo? hmmm, the possilities are infinte http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Elwe
03-12-2003, 03:59
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,20:46)]hmmmmm "Heraclius the Great Gree" I like that. ...
What's a Great Gree? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Cheers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Heraclius
03-12-2003, 04:24
Quote[/b] (Elwe @ Mar. 11 2003,20:59)]
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,20:46)]hmmmmm "Heraclius the Great Gree" I like that. ...
What's a Great Gree? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Cheers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
What are you talking about, Elwe? You must have altered my post when you quoted me. It says Greek. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Elwe
03-12-2003, 06:14
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,21:24)]What are you talking about, Elwe? You must have altered my post when you quoted me. It says Greek. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Hmmm...

Post by Heraclius Mar. 11 2003, 20:46

Reply by Elwe - Mar. 11 2003, 20:59

Original post Edited by Heraclius - Mar. 11 2003, 21:23

Hmm... I wonder what was in that Edit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers

Heraclius
03-12-2003, 06:20
damn you found me out. I never have been very subtle... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Elwe
03-12-2003, 06:27
You realise we've managed to hijack yet another thread..? When do you suppose the Mods will discipline us..? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Cheers.

Heraclius
03-12-2003, 06:32
how many is that now? we're getting close to five I believe. I think you were one of the first people to answer my first post as a junior patron. If we didn't live in different hemispheres I'd say we should grab a beer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif As for mods, HAH they don't scare me at all I sprinkle mods on my french toast.

*hears Soly's footsteps, whimpers and hides under desk*

Elwe
03-12-2003, 06:49
Quote[/b] (Heraclius @ Mar. 11 2003,23:32)]how many is that now? we're getting close to five I believe.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

This is getting habit-forming. They'll start calling us the Org-Terrorists soon... we keep hijacking threads... especially those of poor Galestrum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



Quote[/b] ]*hears Soly's footsteps, whimpers and hides under desk*

Coward Now, make room for me

Cheers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Heraclius
03-12-2003, 06:56
aahhh poor Galestrum, two promising topics whisked away by us dangerous men. Ah well, in my coming absence (only for five days don't worry) maybe Galestrum will manage to post some meaningful threads that don't end up being taken over by you or me. After all I doubt you can hijack a thread alone, Elwe. Remember it takes two to tango http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

see you when I return, fellas

Galestrum
03-12-2003, 14:20
damn you all to hell http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

spmetla
03-13-2003, 10:11
Erasing the past...

Heraclius
03-13-2003, 16:13
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif good one spmetla

Elwe
03-13-2003, 22:38
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Cheers, Spmetla

Hakonarson
03-13-2003, 23:10
Rubbish - the current inspection of threads is proving more than adequate to ensure integrity - it just needs more time to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

spmetla
03-14-2003, 10:25
Erasing the past...

Longshanks
03-18-2003, 09:49
Quote[/b] (spmetla @ Mar. 11 2003,03:31)]What about the Gauls, I don't think that they had any central leadership or kings at all. Weren't they a confederacy?
The Gauls were divided into tribal factions, which were their own nations. Some did not even speak the same language as other tribes, although they did have cultural and linguistic similarities. Most of the Gallic tribes at the time Julius Caesar's conquest were lead by elected chieftans. The only exception was among the Belgae, who were various tribal factions that lived in what is today the low countries. Being farther from Roman influence, they mostly had hereditary kings like the Gauls used to have, and like the Germans had. There was no high king of Gaul, and Gallic factions warred with each other as frequently as they fought the Germanic tribes or Rome.

The closest they came to unity and having a High King was during Julius Caesar's conquest. Caesar had been taking the tribes on one by one and crushing them one by one.(even though each of the major tribes could field many more men than Caesar)Eventually all of Gaul rose in revolt against Caesar and the Romans and almost succeeded. The Gauls formed a loose confederacy and named a tribal chieftan from the Arverni called Vercingetorix to act as king of the Gauls. He took command of all Gallic forces, no matter what tribe they had come from.

He intitally had some success against the Romans, adopting somewhat of a scorched earth policy and defeating Caesar at Gergovia. His army was destroyed at Alesia though, which was an absolute masterpiece on Caesar's part. Vercingetorix was a good commander and had a large numerical superiority. He probably would have won had he been facing an average Roman commander, unfortunately for him he was facing one of the greatest military minds in all of history. So Gaul's High King was short-lived and Gaul lost its independance forever. The first and last High King of Gaul was led in chains through Caesar's triumphal parade and then ritually strangled, as was custom.

Statue of Vercingetorix:
http://heraklia.fws1.com/gaul_to_rubicon/graphics/vercingetorix_millet.jpg

LeeJackson
03-21-2003, 04:19
Give me Caligula Why fight when there's orgies and beer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif