Question 1: Should we allow personal icons for forum members?

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Q1. Should we allow personal icons for forum members? If yes, what should be the criteria for awarding a personal icon?

Please stay on subject, thanks!

[Shiro]

Yes. The requirements being 8 months in the community and admin's discretion.

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[DragonCat]

Works for me.

Hey Shiro, I commute into NYC every day. You ever frequent Neutral Ground?

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[MaJeStIcKoKeNo]

Quote Originally posted by Shiro:
Yes. The requirements being 8 months in the community and admin's discretion.

[/QUOTE]

That's a little harsh don't you think? Why not just allow forum members to upload a personal icon themselves, or pick from a list of icons?
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[This message has been edited by MaJeStIcKoKeNo (edited 08-21-2002).]

[Papewaio]

Personal Icons that befit the personality and contribution the member has made to the org ie Jag spammer, Soly's purple (should be a blue http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif icon, Maltz's house of stories etc

It should be based on quality of posts and relevance to totalwar or the org community.

Everyone else should have icons base on number of post counts as we currently do.

This way we serve the quality posters and the Mithic http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif Spammers like Jag http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif who get some recognition for post count.

The spammers also tend to be polite younger posters who have a good cross knowledge of the state of play across the forum so I don't wish to discourage their ilk.
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BTW I dislike the style of names that are JaGgEd as it is an eye sore.

[KukriKhan]

Oddly, I agree with both, sort of:

Icon of choice for all (from a database of pre-made ones from MTW, picked at registration), or a self-made one for those who can create one, subject to Admin review for copyright infringement, MTW-appropriateness, etc.

Badges (Mapping, battles won, mod'ing, etc) awarded for achievements, determined by mods & admins.

My .00002 http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Kraellin]

"...The requirements being 8 months in the community and admin's discretion..."

personally, i'm against the above type of system. it's arbitrary, based on time, and on favoritism. not a good idea.

i always liked the old way of doing it. it was always a sort of self-contest or game to get one's post count up and had the added advantage of rewarding for merit. my own icon was awarded for my map making. others have similar icons for other things they've done, either in the .org or in the game. the old maxim of 'you get what you reward' almost always works for me.

i'd also hate to see the 'anyone can make any old icon they wish' thing. the .org has a theme...the total war series, past and future. icons shld stay within that theme. but along with this, i also liked that one could make one's own icon and submit it for personal or even general use and have it ok'ed. that's initiative and creativity and also shld be rewarded. a minimum post count, as before, would be required before it could be used, however. that part is somewhat arbitrary as well, but perhaps a provision could be incorporated to waive the minimum post count under certain circumstances. this part could be admin decided, such as a case where something like our CA reps could be given special icons without needing the minimum post count. things like that.

K.


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[Lord Krazy]

I agree with K and I like his quote.

Lord Krazy.
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[Nelson]

I think the system has worked fine so far just the way it is.

However, only online wins have ever been recognized. Why not something for SP excellence? Like over running the map on expert in Medieval(assuming it's hard to do)? By faction maybe. Don't ask me how you would prove it. It's just a thought but I think we need to acknowledge campaign strategy play more.

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COGITOERGOVINCO

[BarryNoDachi]

the mods could check saved game files http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Vlad The Impaler]

well i am basically against the personal icons thing
but if we gonna switch to icons inspired by MTW i think that it would be nice for the user to be able to choose his faction ( considering that the icons will be all sort of soldiers like it was with STW -yari samurai -> swiss halebardiers for example of janissary )
but if we gonna choose personalized icons i think that time spent can be a good reason to get some icon ; but i also think that the time should be bigger , lets say 1 year

[Mithrandir]

I can help you guys set up a comepletely new forum, fear not it'll be the same but with more features http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.
One of them chosing your own icon from a list, thus you still keep control over the avatars used. Personal Icons for Staff&helpers can still be added.

I'd still like to know what Fast has done to get his while other members have asked many times before and just got a "program is down -beat it-" message...

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[This message has been edited by Mithrandir (edited 08-21-2002).]

[NagatsukaShumi]

I believe if someone requests one they should have been a member who has continuosly stayed in the ORG and then they must make the image themselves.

[Catiline]

I think if anyone is cheeky enough to request one they don't deserve it in the first place whether thay like it or not. Frankly i see little wrong with the old system. I'm not at all averse to hte idea of some sort of nomination system whereby we award an icon no more than say once every month/ 2 months. If a set of basic criteria are provided, with regard to contribution to the community, time served/ posts made, within those limits admin will take nominations from the dojo rather than simply deciding among themselves.

I think in general we should restrict avatar choice to keep the theme of the site. A lot of work has gone into the appearance, and is in the process of taking place for MTW. I don't want to see endless glowing eyes and Darth Mauls. The post related thing could be scrapped htough, let people choose from a list of approved avatars

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Timeo hominem unius libri

[Cheetah]

Quote Originally posted by Catiline:
I think if anyone is cheeky enough to request one they don't deserve it in the first place whether thay like it or not. Frankly i see little wrong with the old system. I'm not at all averse to hte idea of some sort of nomination system whereby we award an icon no more than say once every month/ 2 months. If a set of basic criteria are provided, with regard to contribution to the community, time served/ posts made, within those limits admin will take nominations from the dojo rather than simply deciding among themselves.
[/QUOTE]

I agree with Cat.

[solypsist]

I've said my opinion in the Phanthom Forum, but dropping a quick note to http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif Pap's icon color comment.

[FasT]

I still think this is a tricky task to pull off.Hard to please all etc....

May i point out all i did was ask if i may have a icon.....So i sent Sir Kuma one askin if at all possible.I did wait a couple of months for my icon though NP to me.
I did have enuf posts etc.....

But i feel it should go on amount of good content in posts....Good ideas,good questions,overall community spirit etc.
Should be many things but i really feel it should be down to admin..to discusss each case for a application for a icon.
1#Post count
2#Post content
3#Map makin/Moddin
4#Comp/wins
5#Tourney winner
6#Helpin community

Feel free to add to list.IMO should be many things all rolled into one.

[Funky Phantom]

I dont think personal icons help anything, if people ask for them then they definitely should never get one, only admins\very distinguished members should be allowed to get them, but regular members shouldnt get them...

[Mithrandir]

Quote Originally posted by Funky Phantom:
I dont think personal icons help anything, if people ask for them then they definitely should never get one, only admins\very distinguished members should be allowed to get them, but regular members shouldnt get them...[/QUOTE]

What's this sad talk about not getting a personal Icon if you ask for it?
Tis childish.
I never officially aplied (-the signature pic was just for fun-) for a personal avatar and I couldn't care less actually.
But stop whining "if you ask you dont deserve it".

Go Fast!.



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[Funky Phantom]

Tis childish to need a personal icon in the first place http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Anyway, that statement wasnt aimed specifically at you Mith, no need to get annoyed :P

[youssof_Toda]

I'd prefer to see the icons more clanrelated. Only personal icons for ppl who made big contributions in the form of maps/tools/moding/editing/etc.

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Clans change - regularly. I've been in 9 seperate clans, and I don't mean I have 9 names I mean I have been in 9 real clans. I'd have a new icon every 2months or so.

If that statement is directed at anyone, I believe it's directed at young Fast there, as he asked for that icon (albeit some months ago) - plus the other players who have asked whose names I can't remember.

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Fëa-Quendi

[RageMonsta]

Cheeky Monsta wants his own icon.

you have been in 9 clans...dear me!

I think that the mod makers of note...HABA winners etc....dedicated members should get awarded a choice of either some nice icon or use their own (but within the theme and not goofy or scooby doo etc).

the 'get a new title and icon cos you posted X amount of times' indeed promotes spam....we all know who does what and who should get something a little extra...

plus this way the energy that is given adding spammy post could be directed towards trying to do something for us all...something that does no harm nor should be discouraged.

BTW .you only become an Elite and most things by working hard....like Tosa/Yuuki et al with the stats......so if being considered Elite means adding someting of value...lets all strive to be 'elite'.

[Funky Phantom]

Ok, so perhaps when i said if you ask for one you shouldnt get one i was being a bit harsh, but i think that the only people that should have personal\unique icons are those who are particularly important\respected community members and these icons would signify that...

Giving them to anyone and everyone is a big mistake in my experience, ive modded at a forum that did and it definitely was not a good thing...

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Takes up a lotta time and effort to give everyone their own icons - and our time just got cut a lot shorter (you'll see exactly what that means in a few days.)

Then again look what spam does, without it this place would be pretty boring. If everyone just posted informative comments the Org wouldn't have half as much the character it does now.....

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Fëa-Quendi

[RageMonsta]

Like i said you should earn everything and anything here and in the game itself (cheats codes should be unlocked etc).

when I say earn I dont mean...post as main mindless threads as you can (never done this myself as my icon is that of a gaffer and dont change anyway....but mindless is a matter of opinion where my threads are concerned!).....

We need to encourage a community spirit...give aswell as take...tourney winners/mod makers/helpers/ the type of people who are voted in things like HABA should get the icons....oh and clan leaders..because online play has no back bone without clans (clans 6 months old and up otherwise they will form for a week just to get a nice icon).

Have the same system as you have now...icons for certain things....but give the option for those who have an icon to have their own..this saves you searching yourself.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

I reckon we should do things like all memebers of a clan have the same clan icon. Would be interesting...non clan people have the usual soldier icons.


But the clan thing should only be for clans who have been around for a long enough time for the community to know them. And also have a good community reputation.

Otherwise personal icons should be for reasons, like helping the community and not just on a whim. They take up space and therefore make the ORG a slower loading time.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

I like the idea of clan icons. Although I think it would come down to the clan to design them themselves.
Other icons for special service to the community is pretty much how things are working currently - and should stay the same.

The idea of having more icons is fine, depending on how many icons are submitted to us and how many we decide are worthy enough to be used. Although I don't think we need any more IMO - we just need to change the ones we have.

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Fëa-Quendi

[Orda Khan]

A selection of icons covering STW, MI and MTW.
The selection is made when you register
(click an icon)

.....Orda

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[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

I like the icons...but I still think the clan icons thing would be good also.

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[james]

I like the current icons but a personnal icon would be cool.

[NinjaKilla]

I think it's fine how it is. What's the harm in personal icons? They make the place brighter and give older patrons a sense of identity.

There should be less emphasis on post counts in order to discourage spamming.

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Mithrandir]

LOL

this is the first time I truly see your icon!

I thought the guy had a high collar green/black in stead of the little ninja it really is.

weird.

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[Sjakihata]

hmm... thanks mith... just discovered it too.. lol..

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[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Keep on topic please guys....

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Fëa-Quendi

[Bullethead]

Quote Originally posted by Sir Kuma of The Org:
Q1. Should we allow personal icons for forum members? If yes, what should be the criteria for awarding a personal icon?

Please stay on subject, thanks![/QUOTE]

I don't think personal icons add anything meaningful. At best, they merely offer a quick way to find posts by a specific guy by scrolling down the page looking for his icon. However, looking for the guy's name is just as easy, so why bother? OTOH, personal icons often degenerate into a forum for one-upsmanship by the less mature. And regardless of any of this, personal icons increase the burden on low-bandwidth users who have now to download all the new icons. So IMHO the game ain't worth the candle.

Assuming I get out-voted on this subject, then I think the restrictions who gets personal icons should be very harsh. Personal icons should only be used by a) forum moderators/site staff, b) CA development guys, and c) a few honored elder statesmen from the user base chosen by the site staff at their own discretion.

The general rank and file user should NEVER have the option, and there should be no way fixed of earning the privelege. If the staff thinks some particular person has done their site a lot of good service, then they can give an icon to that guy. It's their house, after all.

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-Bullethead

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[ShinKamiizumi]

There have been several rational arguments made from both camps.

Why not set the limit at 4 kilobytes for those who wish to submit an icon for approval? Tasteful, relevant submissions should be permitted as long as they meet the size limitations.

All other icons will be those currently in use at random and community honorees.

I know this makes more work for the administrators so it probably won't happen but I wanted to share my view.


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[baz]

i really dont beleive that bandwidth should be an issue here, if you dont want the icons then why would you be bothered that they took too long to load! they are the last thing to load anyway so its completely irrelevant http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

i dont mind either way but i personally think individual icons makes the board look a lot nicer http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

what i realy would like to see is your clan name as your title like the daimyos have http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif will this happen?

tosa enlighten us!

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Mithrandir]

Bandwidth is a pathetic argument anyway, the 50x50 pc gifs are 4 kb Max, mostly 3 though, 20 (?) posts per page, so a max of 60 to 80 kb -IF everyone wuld be allowed a personal Icon, and there'd be 20 different people posting on a single page.
even with a 56k modem this would take just 2 to 3 seconds to load http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif.

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Thanks for all the advice. The staff is working on it.




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[ShinKamiizumi]

Quotes and Queries:

It should be based on quality of posts
-Papewaio quality to whom?

Badges (Mapping, battles won, mod'ing, etc) awarded for achievements, determined by mods & admins - Kukri Khan

the .org has a theme...the total war series, past and future. icons shld stay within that theme. but along with this, i also liked that one could make one's own icon and submit it for personal or even general use and have it ok'ed. that's initiative and creativity and also shld be rewarded
-Kraellin

(clans 6 months old and up otherwise they will form for a week just to get a nice icon).
-RageMonsta good but six months? Does that count for Medieval Clans?

personal icons often degenerate into a forum for one-upsmanship by the less mature
-Bullethead
One-upmanship? This IS a game about war...

They take up space and therefore make the ORG a slower loading time. -Toda

Bandwidth is a pathetic argument anyway -Mithrandr Not if you have to run the site



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[Mithrandir]

suppose there are 500 active members, of whom 200 want to and can create a personal Icon, 200 X 3 kb is 6 MB, make one or 2 upload days in the month when all the icons get uploaded and there you go.

I dont mind the things as they are now though, I have my own icon ,and besides if everyone would have a personal icon where's the fun in that ?

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[NARF]

but......you dont have your own icon

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[Vlad The Impaler]

probably he speaks about the icons from the signature http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
btw , am i the only one that thinks that the old shogun icons looks better ? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Orda Khan]

No Vlad, like you I find the new icons have no impact.
......Orda

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[Mithrandir]

Quote Originally posted by NARF:
but......you dont have your own icon

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I made mine and yours http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif.

and stop complaining that it's purple! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif. Also see Clanleader Icon.

-Mithrandir,
Leader of Miths'IconsCreationCenter

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[Hirosito]

yeah my new ones are shite as i always say get that pink stuff off me 'ead!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrr

btw i'm not actually dissing (as it were) the work that has gone in to them

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Hirosito the Baptist of the Babbiest Babe Thread.

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Orda Khan]

Was there an outcome to this question?

[Whitey]

I've been here around two years now in my present form (is that really true?) and there is no way I deserve a custom icon...minimum length of service should not be concrete, but I do think that they should be restricted somewhat, maybe a few more - but yes, to those who have made a real impact on the community.

[Whitey]

but of course I do agree with Orda...all this patron stuff is getting a bit old http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Lord Romulous]

i favor leting people have custom icons if they want to.

1. it is interesting to see all the different icons and adds to the fun factor.
which is why were all here.

2. i really dont see why icons should have the huge status symbol they have now. IMHO an icon should be about expressing your personality rather than a symbol of prestige and honour. its like we are turning them into medals.

i vote for personal icons under 4 k or whatever is reasonable and medal type things as rewards for doing great stuff. medal can go under ur icon.

[Swoosh So]

Not too fussy but icons for both sexes would be good

[Krasturak]

Gah!

Krast wants his own icon too!

Gah!

[Orda Khan]

Quote Originally posted by Krasturak:
Gah!

Krast wants his own icon too!

Gah![/QUOTE]

But Krast...we all love your pink pony tail
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

.....Orda

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[Hirosito]

i hate it (i know you were j/king) please change them.

[ToranagaSama]

Hope this hasn't been decided.

I think icons s/b earned and bestowed. Afterall this is the "medieval" total war forum. So,in keeping with the medieval/feudal system, as well as, the Samuri period, you have to earnnn it.

An icon could be earned by "Good Service" in either a single or cumulative effort(s) made in one or all catagories, Community Contribution, Quality of Posts, Time Served, etc. Can't think of any others at the moment.

I don't think there s/b "clan" icons, for the reason that it would favor MPers over SPers.

Perhaps a small icon or something in a person's sig would be more appropo.

Good Service as a motivator might also serve to moderate the kiDdIes and the spamming.

[Obake]

There is no easy answer to this question. On the one hand, allowing everyone to have personal icons would provide more color, and give the patrons a sense of personal identity. The downside is that the continuity of the forums would be lost as patrons start to use items not in keeping with the Middle Ages.

Then again, many of the long time patrons who have earned a custom icon, have one that no longer fits with the current theme of the boards either! We all know the problems that have arisen here due to the perception of elitism that can and be created with custom icons; real or imaginary makes no difference.

In spite of this, I believe that it is important that the Org forums maintain their long-standing tradition of maintaining the continuity of the boards. As a result, I am in favor of maintaining specific based on a patrons contributions to the forums, and for those who have achieved a level contribution to the forums or the community that sets them apart..........they should be recognized for that contribution.

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[t1master]

just curious as to who and how "quality posts" are determined. is there a review board or is it done by the mods?

[ShinKamiizumi]

My thinking has changed a bit on this...
Admin have enough to worry about besides creating more and more custom icons for those deserving or those that just want one. And there are so many opinions abt keeping with the theme of the Guild, allowing personal flair, etc. Whats wrong with removing the Medieval Icons (e.g. pony tails) and allowing a certain image size to accompany the user's name. If that person has a particular claim-to-fame in the community then perhaps a small by-line below their name would suffice. Some rules governing nudity, profanity, and slamming should be implemented however.

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[Brown Wolf]

I would actually like to see custom icons. There was a time when you could get them at this forum, but not anymore.

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[sapphoo]

we should always try to stimulate creativity...even if this means allowing icons of a monkey on a horse that looks like a hippo

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[ToranagaSama]

Quote Originally posted by t1master:
just curious as to who and how "quality posts" are determined. is there a review board or is it done by the mods?[/QUOTE]

Frankly, if you have to ask, then you needn't worry; yours isn't!! hehehe....

[ToranagaSama]

Seriously though,

The Mods s/b the arbitrators, and/or a committem could be setup. The community should agree on what "standards" represent quality.

My thoughts on quality:

a) Productive; b) helpful; c) informative

Just a hint, spamming doesn't qualify.

Regarding Themes, I think anything in keeping with Total War s/b the paramater.

For example, this is the MTW forum, but I have not desire for a "medieval" icon. I would have a Shogun themed icon and would wish to use it wherever.

I am Damiyo, Lord of the Kwanto, trapped in a Medieval nightmare!!

[This message has been edited by ToranagaSama (edited 11-03-2002).]

[Mithrandir]

Just for the people who didn;t know yet :
You can now choose your "own" avatar from "your Control Panel" (upper left), personal settings, avatar options.

Enjoy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

-Mithrandir-

[Orda Khan]

Is that 500 posts and up ?

.......Orda

[Azrael]

Hey Mith,

Are you sure about that Avatar instruction? I went straight for it when I read your post, but all I managed to discover was that I'd incorrectly registered as Female.

Doh

Azrael

[baz]

can we have it so that all members of a clan have "the Clan" as their title? please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[TenkiSoratoti]

yes.

[Kocmoc]

my thoughts...

personal icons.... well, if u allow some to have an icon u should allow other to have an icon as well. ofcourse it should be something special, kreallin said it already....

What i would love is, if we could have a very little coloured icon to show what clan ur in. ofcourse there should be a control about the longlivity of this clan.

what i dont understand is this junior and senior membership, if the devs like gil and Co. get seniormembers after 3 months i ask me what is with guys who are here since about 2 years? ...the msot of them a still juniormembers

[Mithrandir]

Because they , having a special position being the developpers, are in favour to have certain priviliges like no flood control. It isn't about Junior&senior as in age, it's as in what they did for the community, and without them there'd be no TW community at all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

And besides, whats in a name ?

[Swoosh So]

Whats in a name ? private messages http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Kocmoc]

lol @ mithrandir

there is nothing to say....lmao

[MagyarKhans Cham]

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[Naagi]

Ok being new here excuse my intrusion. Personal icons can be a good thing or bad thing depending on the rules set by the mods. If someone wanted an PI then they should have a reason to get one. Now to keep from seperating the mp and sp people, it might not be a good idea to make it based on victorys and such. Though this being important I understand, they should have some sort of recognition as well. The post count is a good starting point, though some of these are funny looking. i.e. the man at arms looks like a gayboy to me, which made me try to post faster to remove it. Though I still tried to make the post helpful to the community. Many good ideas floating here, and really dont see a solution to this problem. Me personally would love an icon, but it isnt gonna keep me from visiting here if I dont get one. Too much enjoyment and info to keep me away. And some day I hope to visit the mp field to be kicked around, but alas it shall have to wait.

BTW if this has been resolved and I missed it, sorry.


Naagi

[Kas]

If I spam a bit more and reach the 500...can I get this avatar?

http://www.aggony.org/kas.jpg

Plz, plz, plz.

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[james]

I don't really care much for personnal icons. The icons provided here are fine for me.

[PanthaPower]

My opnion is that I like the current system. All looks neutral and I like the reward system. With custom avatars, you get all kinds of junk. If someone wants to have something custom with it's post, let him/her do it in the signature. But this is ofcourse IMHO.

[Swoosh So]

I think we need more female icons, We may be a minority here but is either joan of arc, or Princess urg http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Kas]

I definitly prefer for Joan of Arc above princess Urg http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Heidi Klum, Leatitia Casta and Denise Richards would be nice also http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

Kaneyashi,

the theme of this forum is medieval, STW avatars are also used for two reasons:

-They're also medieval (other region but same era).
-Part of the community still plays STW and visits the sword Dojo.

It's not unlikely that the forum will change again when Rome:TW hits the store. We may have a Sword Dojo for STW, a Guild for MTW and the usual forums for Rome:TW.

What would you suggest Swoosh? It's not easy to get medieval (and matching in style) avatars for females.

Where did you get that picture from?

[ICantSpellDawg]

i think the requirements are a bit hardball - i wish i could use some more features - like PM

[Shahed]

Answer 1: Yes we should allow personal icons for all members of the org.

[Kocmoc]

well, it should be fair or not?

i see guys who have personal avatars, wich realy dont show a medivial character, not that i have a problem wit hthis
but we shouldnt speak about ...we cant allow it...or its bad... if some guys still can use some shogun designed pics....


make it fair for all, thats what i want....or make even rules.......why and who can use such personal avatars...


thats a bit odd

koc

[TosaInu]

Shogun avatars remain:

-those shogun pictures are medieval (late).
-STW was what started these forums.

[Stephen Hummell]

yes

FORZA ROMA, i'm so glad that roma won on thursday

[Lord Of Storms]

I am fairly new to the forum but I think choosing from a pre approved list , and according to post quality vs. quantity and maybe shave a little bit of time of the 8 months? all around would prove less troublesome and in keeping with the MTW community. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif just my thoughts.

[FasT]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif FasT lost his old icon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

hehe NP......

[TosaInu]

Sorry Fast, but 50*74 is the new size now.

[Knight of the Order]

I agree we need more female pics, just to please the ladies.

[ichi]

I concur w/ KukriKhan



ichi

[FasT]

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[Swoosh So]

Tosa this picture is in your list, I just found it while browsing, Perhaps you could use some of the many pictures people used to use for baldurs gate? catmisc4 is the pic

[Brutal DLX]

I like your Jeanne d'Arc pic, Swoosh. Please keep it.

As for the question at hand, I don't mind. How about letting the majority decide?

[Swoosh So]

Sorry im abit unclear on this, are you saying we can use our own pics?

[TosaInu]

When we facelifted the site, we had some discussions about the avatars. MTW has some 3,000 portraits in several categories. The good thing is that they match the theme of the forum and enhance uniformity (size, style). The bad news is that there are only princesses and Joan D'Arc for females (STW didn't offer any apart from the geisha).

Could you please post some Baldur pictures here?

[Swoosh So]

Ill try although im not very techie Im happy with my pic at the mo but ill post some when i work it out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Kas]

Perhaps with the VI there will be some new (less terrifying) females available http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

FearKas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

90 avatars (resized MTW portraits) have been added today. There are over 400 available avatars in the list to choose from.

[dragonchi]

Hi Tosa .... Dragonchi here...

I think members should at least have a choice between having a Medival avatar or a Shogun Avatar ... as you said shogun is what made this place.

Tosa .... I really dont like Medieval and wish i never purchased it ... (just my opinion) .... I am a Shogun devotee .... its all i play.

Please ... can I have an original shogun pic .... I hate this ungly one and Im not looking forward to getting that guy with the beard .... its torture for me everytime i visit the org.

PLease PLease Please
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[TosaInu]

Hello Mist,

That's a tough one. It was decided to use a ranksystem. Ikonboard is using two fields for the 'avatars'. One is called PIP and is used to display the rank avatar. That PIP 'disappears' once 500 posts are made. Members can then pick an avatar from the list, the normal avatar field is used to display that one. Ikonboard allows to turn PIPS off for membergroups, but not individually. So, when you're going to use a STW avatar, you'll also get the MTW 'PIP'.

There could be a simple solution/edit in code to fix that, but pleasing everyone in everything probably results in a very clumsy messageboard (more code to be executed).

I'll see.

[dragonchi]

Hi Tosa .....

Thanks for replying .... and also for no giving me an straight no answer.

Tosa .... what about if I create a member group .... ?

You have seen that there are just a hanful of people who feel the same way about this as me (my posting in sword dojo) .... and we are all friends. Perhaps we could form a member group.

Then ... if others have the same request then they could just be added to it also .... that way everyone is happy. You are probably then thinking .... that the group could get to big ...... but I dont think that will happen with the release of other Totalwars. Or else ... if neccesary just create a limit of group member numbers.

The people who support this idea at this point are players who really still keep the game going....and true shogun Worshippers .... so the group name could be something which supports this ..... kinda interesting idea isnt it.

Anyway ..... Ill wait to her back ....... and I wont post anything about this in the dojo untill I hear back from you.


Thanks Tosa


Dragonchi

P.S It would be great to some games with you again in STW

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[TosaInu]

Hello mist,

My answer wasn't too straight 'no', since I said: 'I'll see'.

I did see other people asking for a STW avatar and I've also seen some other 'problems'.

I missed some Shoggy sundays.

[dragonchi]

Hi Tosa .... I think you may have miss understood my prior
Post ..... I was/am thanking you for giving it consideration and not just saying no straight away.

so thanks...

Dragonchi

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[TosaInu]

Yes, I misunderstood.

I&#39;ve &#39;seen&#39; in the meanwhile, and there&#39;s a chance that a slightly different code would allow STW avatars for members < 500.

There&#39;s a large chance that I&#39;ll add the code, since it&#39;s fairly small and at the same time enhances the look of all avatars. It&#39;ll fix some other problems. First tests look good.

[TosaInu]

Just experimenting now Mist.

[dragonchi]

Tosa .... u are a legend Thanks


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Dragonchi

[Lord Of Storms]

I think there should be a choice of avatars but at different levels , I guess like it is now but you have some more choices and at each level i.e. 100,200 etc you have more choices. Just my thought.http://mindscraps.com/s/contrib/ed/Terminator.gif

[Kongamato]

Greetings, I was looking at the portraits w/the TGA viewer earlier, and the avatar I wanted for myself, PagAdmiral28, was unavailable because the list only went up to 26. Any plans to include this? I would really appreciate it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

[dragonchi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif thanks tosa .... I like him ..... he is in horse stance ready for action ....




Dragonchi

[TosaInu]

Added some new avatars.

[Swoosh So]

Id hate personal icons the reason i use the org forums is that theyre so nice and tidy, I think even the banners make the forum look randomly trashy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Stormer]

Quote[/b] ]Id hate personal icons the reason i use the org forums is that theyre so nice and tidy, I think even the banners make the forum look randomly trashy

Not my one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

You stole my banner http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

Has a final concensus been reached yet ?

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa SeljukSinan,

Concensus on what?

[Shahed]

Ohayu TosaInu San

Has a consensus been reached on whether we should allow custom avatars for members ?

Doomo Arrigato Gozaimasu

[theadept]

i think that after every say 10 posts u get a fef more icons
people would just make loads of posts to be able to get the icons otherwise

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa SeljukSinan san,

Yes, there&#39;s a consensus now. Both system and custom avatars are possible.

It required adding some code and a database field. Select a system skin to view the uniform avatars, and use the Custom Avatar skin to view a custom one. It&#39;s also possible to click on the system avatars and view the custom one in a new window.

Please check out the pinned topic New Feature in this forum, to learn more.