View Full Version : If VI dont match your expectations
Magyar Khan
01-31-2003, 01:56
comments....
I voted: I care and will play it less for sure
If VI isn't all that great i'll still play it, maybe not as much. There's nothing someone like me can do about it anyway, have to take what's offered. I love this game, but the battles for me are slowly going down the drain. Soon i'll lose interest and move on to a better game, if things continue in the same direction. Let's hope VI and RTW are better.
VI=MI: what are you talking about? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Annie
I'll see
I have no high expectations .
couple new units new map ,no mp improvement (extra spear valor),some new factions to play online .....well that sounds like but how could they mess that up .
Altough i do fear an overpowered Argonese (beefed spanish)
Knight_Yellow
01-31-2003, 03:02
well i wouldnt be realy bothered except the reputation of not 1 but TWO types of scottish factions are riding on the success of this game.
anyway i fail to see how it could be worse than MTW i mean that in a good way.
were gettin a new map and factions
plus theyve not forgot the original campaign
all sounds fine to me.
recently im going through a bad patch with mtw, you can have some nice battles but sometimes its frustrating with ppl exploiting unit choice, some ppl take spain evey game you see them in, for me this takes the fun away, i reckon VI will bring new maps, new units, new bonuses, and sadly new ways to take away the fun .. for me CA are busy building a jet engine, when the old car engine is still mis-firing.
Quote[/b] (baz @ Jan. 30 2003,20:16)]recently im going through a bad patch with mtw, you can have some nice battles but sometimes its frustrating with ppl exploiting unit choice, some ppl take spain evey game you see them in, for me this takes the fun away, i reckon VI will bring new maps, new units, new bonuses, and sadly new ways to take away the fun .. for me CA are busy building a jet engine, when the old car engine is still mis-firing.
I agree with this statement completely. I'm far from being good at MP but I choose different armies almost every battle, just seems more fun playing with vikings and gallows. But when certain people enter a game I can almost predict what they will pick, and these are people who could school me playing with an all peasant army yet they choose spain or byz every time. where's the fun in that.
As far as VI, this game has completely priced itself out of being a legitimate buy. It's the same reason I didn't pick up MI. I really feel like I'm paying for a patch that should be free; and the additional play, especially in MP, doesn't add up to $30 of value. I will only get it if I haven't found other interests; or I can no longer play MTW MP w/out it and a majority of you guys give positive feedback for it.
Nobunaga0611
01-31-2003, 07:27
I agree with Coach. I didn't know it was $30 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif This better be basically a whole new game then. MTW was a new game with some pretty innovative features, and it was $40. I'm gonna wait to see what everyone says about it. I really want to get it, and I want to believe....I really do. But we'll see. If it comes out before I can get online though it wouldn't make much sense now would it?
well im already bored, agreed amp ...we cant choose, just other games, but from STW about MI till MTW, this game lost more and more, i like to controll armys, yes ..........but what we now see, has nothing to do with some skill.
Teamplayskill is still needed, but the moving skill is just not important. Its hard to find other good games, maybe this game get competition sometimes...
koc
The relevance of one's actual raw skills is gradually decreasing. You still need to be skilled to win consistently in a tournament or against other skilled players but the casual win and the casual 1000+ kills are much easier. Get lancers or byz inf and it's done.
Plus I really don't like the 'clunky', armoured and heavy units - just reduces the feel of 'speed' MI had for example.
If VI turns up to be a new MI v1.0...I'll play it, but much less. It's already lucky that I actually play MTW regularly. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Tera
Muneyoshi
01-31-2003, 16:21
Im looking forward to CM4 anyways and will get addicted to that im sure, and will of course get VI but if its like MI, then bye-bye VI
Orda Khan
01-31-2003, 17:38
Quote[/b] (Coach @ Jan. 30 2003,21:54)]
Quote[/b] (baz @ Jan. 30 2003,20:16)]recently im going through a bad patch with mtw, you can have some nice battles but sometimes its frustrating with ppl exploiting unit choice, some ppl take spain evey game you see them in, for me this takes the fun away, i reckon VI will bring new maps, new units, new bonuses, and sadly new ways to take away the fun .. for me CA are busy building a jet engine, when the old car engine is still mis-firing.
I agree with this statement completely. I'm far from being good at MP but I choose different armies almost every battle, just seems more fun playing with vikings and gallows. But when certain people enter a game I can almost predict what they will pick, and these are people who could school me playing with an all peasant army yet they choose spain or byz every time. where's the fun in that.
As far as VI, this game has completely priced itself out of being a legitimate buy. It's the same reason I didn't pick up MI. I really feel like I'm paying for a patch that should be free; and the additional play, especially in MP, doesn't add up to $30 of value. I will only get it if I haven't found other interests; or I can no longer play MTW MP w/out it and a majority of you guys give positive feedback for it.
Well you see, Coach, it's like this and pardon me for being synical....but there are those who have no idea how to play for fun.
..........Orda
Orda Khan
01-31-2003, 18:06
I forgot to answer the question.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
I am already disappointed with the add on choice. As far as MP is concerned I sincerely hope VI will improve this aspect of the game. MTW has been a big let down, to the point where I am of the opinion that it is SP period
Online you pick yourself a nice realistic little army you are looking forward to a fun game...then along comes Mr Winatallcost and then I read posts about players quitting before a battle ends. How ignorant these people are, they have no idea of good conduct, they could learn from watching the battle.....
Well I'm sorry I don't see it that way, I doubt any mediaeval army consisted of 50% or more armoured heavy cav and horror of horrors...those ridiculous rows of pavise arbalesters http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif and to think we complained about beefed up muskets in v1.02 MI
Oh well that's enough moaning roll on RTW, sigh, I wonder what will be exploited there
......Orda
Magyar Khan
01-31-2003, 19:17
well indeed, if u look at old mi muskets, the pavs and how they match with 99% of all other shooters is ridicilous.
i will make and judge the game after a few weeks of plyin it..
Untill then i hope and prey things work out..
Swoosh So
01-31-2003, 20:05
Quote[/b] (Orda Khan @ Jan. 31 2003,16:06)]Oh well that's enough moaning roll on RTW, sigh, I wonder what will be exploited there
Elephant lines http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Magyar Khan
01-31-2003, 20:45
hhee nice one swoosh, imagine all the elephant shit piled up and used for ammo for teh catapults
its still not clarified if VI allows to be in teh same server as MTW
Those who are dissatisfied with MTW are going to be dissatisfied with VI.
Magyar Khan
02-01-2003, 00:38
than they/we have to store our energy for another moaning season http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif
Dionysus9
02-01-2003, 09:13
I will play it and bitch and complain like I normally do.
MTW is still a nice game i realy love it, no doubt about that. but i become more and more dissapointed if i see all this loopwholes and "bugs". u just need 4 cavs on a site and u rout units without fighting....so plz tell where is the point in playing this?
i have many replays for evidence, i told this already long time ago and i remember guys who didnt believed me
well, now go and look ur self the moralcircles and the supportcirlcesa re awesom and like i love to say, u dont even need to click on taget units, just hit somewhere in the rigth direction. this clearly is so easy, that everyone can do it, so for me its clear, i loved to play stw and mi for the aspects that my skill allowed me to win 1 vs 2 armys, that my skill saved many of my mens live....and so on.... now skill is less important, i tested i click armys lately, hell they did work..... so where is the point?
i dont believe VI will change something, we still have major MP bugs, like foyer and all this desktopdrops.
there is an addon before the major bugs got fixed
we all know it, but some just ignore it.....i dont know why
with all this different units, special units and bonusses the whole idea of moving to get advance is spoiled away
u get advance by not moving, not flanking and stay pathetic close together. not moving was NEVER an advance.
so all what i loved got spoiled away, now its time to spoil myself away, im realy bored and dissapointed from this game and some players who are so ignorant and slow. Some need so much time to see several points thats just unbelievable, than after some months they say the same what u said , month ago.....but hell, they said months ago to u, thats not true.... lol, now they say the same.... crazy or not?
anyway, the nonskilled player can control now the cav and even controll 1 nice shooter, the rest is...go and buy the good units than just doubleclick, well this must be skill....
koc
Swoosh So
02-01-2003, 13:26
Your right its more about army selection if u check my replays you will see i was new to the game but won 13 in a row on my third day by..............double clicking http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif and a few little unit matchups http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Also if you watch my 3v3 vs tenki and angryfarmers u will see 8 cav rout 3 armies while 1 order foot unit holds off over 500 troops
Magyar Khan
02-01-2003, 13:46
well i noticed in a game amp was playing vs me where he had 12 units that most of his cav attacks clicks wasnt direct to my units but the ground behind me, they were just quickmarching "thru" towards a spot behind me and i started routing from all sides.
well all these stats, bonus combos and imgame tricks is more and more distracting me from what i love most of the original game, the manouvring of units to "solve" the puzzle of breaking the enemy.
i will have fun beating noobs and vet wannabees with horsearcher based armies, but do i really have to sit out till TW Rome to face a new engine?
Swoosh So
02-01-2003, 13:59
Quote[/b] (Magyar Khan @ Feb. 01 2003,11:46)]the manouvring of units to "solve" the puzzle of breaking the enemy.
Sometimes your like a poet magyar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I've been using the double clicking behind units since STW and it's still works. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I'm not saying i do it all the time, only where it seems possble, which is a lot.
Some units you can't double click behind when they are attacking you head on or you'll lose badly. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Magyar,
I don't think RTW will satisfy you either.
Null vote. I care but I will play as much as now cos that's where most will migrate.. just like from STW to MI.
Major Robert Dump
02-02-2003, 07:27
That was very nice words indeed magyar.
Belongs in a sig somewhere. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I suppose I'll buy the game and complain if it has problems like evryone else likely will.
But pardon me for saying so, but the fact that we can get together and complain and agree on certain points, IMO, is great. I mean, imagine hosting a game on some other game and requesting certain rules be followed that cannot be set.
"Ok, you can play orcs, but you cannot build towers."
The fact that we know and respect each other well enough to know and respect each others wishes says a lot about the community, and for that I am grateful.
I don't participate much in the complaining and brainstorming threads because usually others say what I mean well before I get a chance so I just read and relax.
Magyar Khan
02-02-2003, 10:49
but dumpster, i noticed many people dont participate in teh discussions and soem of them share their ideas with me online. but with my continous moaning here i rixk to become the boogey man.
I would be happy if u boogey with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Major Robert Dump
02-02-2003, 23:50
Ok i boogey when my new machine comes and i start playing mtw again.
since i've missed approxomately 3 months of play, I may be forced to catch up by being online for 16 hours a day for about two weeks. this means no work, no sex, and only microwave food.
havent played much post patch yet.
ElmarkOFear
02-03-2003, 07:53
Kocmoc,
I admit I am slow to find bugs in the game, until I see them again and again. I was always aware of overpowered cavalry since the patch, I also agreed on the arrow issue. The thing that took me longest to notice, were the "clicking behind enemy" that Magyar just finished discussing and the "morale circles" which you had been talking about long ago. I knew something was odd, but did not know what it was until you mentioned it. I do not believe I have disagreed with you on many issues, nor repeated anything that you have previously said, as if it were my own thoughts. If I have I apologize, but I hope you are speaking of others.
One reason most players are "slow" to pick up on some issues is that they do not play except maybe a few hours a week. They do not put the time you put into the game, testing in custom battle and with your teammates. I play for fun and I try to pick units that everyone says are horrible, that is how i found the overpowered handgunner units. I still like my all missile army, because it is not as overpowering as people complain about and takes a lot of skill to use effectively.
So Kocmoc please don't be so brutal in your criticisms of us slow people. I am like the turtle says; "slow and easy wins the race." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
They will do like they always do..SELL GAMES ..MAKE Money
I'm not participating in this discussion here, just a remark.
This is an independent fanforum, you can have any opinion about the game and post and discuss any point.
What will not be accepted is talk like: 'you're a noob and stupid', 'you're a developer and only think about money'.
About the former: many people play this game for many different reasons. 10 people: 10 different skills, opinions and expectations. Respect the opinion/efforts of others.
About the latter: money is required to make a game (I know that there are free quality mods/games). I personally don't believe that a professional coder only thinks about money when he makes a game.
Anyway, these are just annoying personal attacks, not bringing any improvement to the game and only enhance the us vs them attitude and actually decreases the commitment/willingness to change anything, let alone listening to each other to improve the product (no doubt here, there's enough to improve. But it must be said that there are many much worse pieces of code).
A http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif in every post isn't required, nor is a http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif .
If there are negative opinions: please voice them, but do so in an acceptable manner.
i must say that what you have said there makes sense to me, and i can assure you that i have not meant any offence with any of my comments about CA .. i think we all here are trying to better the game, but unfortunately some ppl's stragety works better than others http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Well i voted :
I dont care, I keep playing as much as I do ....
To be honest what I am most concerned about is that VI will introduce more unbalanced factions and mess up the VI games ... BUT the original game is not that unbalanced if only you enforce some extra rules ... single player same faction battles will work fine ...
I am hosting early no artillery and no byzantine games a lot ( 15 K )and even as the number of units availiable is smaller the game is much more balanced and fun ( no pavise )... so I dont see any reason to stop hosting / playing with these settings after VI is introduced ...
or maybe a switch to nospain nobyz high game ... ( hmm need a longer description for game name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ... or simply state that each side has to use the same 3/4 factions and thats it ...)
I think hosts should talk more and agree on rules more instead just pushing ready and then getting annoyed about the lancer / byz / artillery users ...
And for those complaining about the morale try 99 k
and you will get the chance to meet new people too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
TGI
Magyar Khan
04-05-2003, 03:13
perhaps an extra faction could be added which units are balanced towards each other and its called the competition faction....
Skomatth
04-05-2003, 06:51
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=18;t=4249
I posted something like your competition faction a while ago. I particularly like swooshes response. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
youssof_Toda
04-19-2003, 09:59
Glad Championship Manager 4 helped me out. Even though it's still as bugridden as hell the gameplay beats MTW easily.
Magyar Khan
04-19-2003, 12:51
more games beat MTW gameplay easily but sadly i like to move armies around on a battlefield and not David Beckham and his family http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The level of refinement you are looking for is never going to come from CA due to their need to keep moving on to the next project. CA has provided the ability to mod the MP game just for this reason. Look to the mods for a refined MP game.
Orda Khan
04-19-2003, 17:06
I have no worries about VI there are many Mods that offer fun and there seem to be others in the foyer with similar views. The All 20 Mod is being hosted more and more and great fun can be had in huge 4v4 as the larger faction choice creates more varied armies. The Crusader / Italian Mod provides a whole new feel to the game, the tactical epics recently have rejuvinated my interest. These battles just feel more accurate and you certainly have to think hard about how you attack. In one word it is Fantastic
Eastern Wars is coming soon and more...
I don't worry about v1.1 imbalance anymore
......Orda
Although there are some issues i`d like to see fixed....as long as the game doesnt regress....having a new era and units will be enough. It may not be perfect bit it`s the best thing goin`. Only thing that will pull me away will be the new Doom this Summer. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Any game is going to be a balance between realism and playability. They`ve done well enough so far to get my money.
Dimeolas
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