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Heraclius
03-02-2003, 06:50
Does anyone know what exactly the strategic map will cover or is it too early for that kind of information? I've heard vague rumours of all of Europe but will this mean Britain, the Baltic and Eastern/Central Europe (Hungary and Ukraine for example). How much of Germany will be included? And how far into Asia will the map extend? Are we talking MTW-like proprotions into Syria or a massive map stretching to the borders of Inia and the Caspian Sea or somewhere inbetween.
For that matter will Parthia, who became one of Rome's most troublesome enemies, even be factions in the game? Does anyone know? Help My curiosity needs quenching.

Stormer
03-02-2003, 12:41
erm i think dont quote me on this but, all of europe, north africa and some of the middle east around israil i take it. well basiclly all of the Roman Empire.

hundurinn
05-24-2004, 00:23
The map goes as far to Scotland in the North, little further to the south and east. Basicly almost the same map with out Scotland and Scandinavia. There are also some screenshots of it on Legion Total War (http://www.legiontotalwar.com)

Colovion
05-24-2004, 00:30
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/512/512950/e3-2004-rome-total-war-screens-200405100241610.jpg

You can see the minimap in the bottom left. I love how the borders are defined.

ThePeach
05-24-2004, 03:09
I'd assume the Parthians are included, there is mention of the Parthian Shot appearing in the game, and being used by the Parthians. Then again, they may end up being an non-playable faction. I hope not - I've been looking forward to commanding those Kataphraktoi.

andrewt
05-24-2004, 07:57
From the minimap, it looks like the westernmost territories of the Parthians will be included.

Nowake
05-24-2004, 08:35
If there will be some strong cities in Syria, like Damascus, the resource probem of the parthians won't be relevant.

Knight_Yellow
05-24-2004, 11:39
They cut out 2/3 of scotland.....

Ky is mighty pissed off......

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dessa14
05-24-2004, 11:54
who cares about north scotland, rome certainly didn't
thanks, dessa

Colovion
05-24-2004, 12:05
Quote[/b] (dessa14 @ May 24 2004,05:54)]who cares about north scotland, rome certainly didn't
thanks, dessa
I care about Scotland - but since this is Rome: TOtal War and not Colovion: Total War I guess I will get over it. Also Hadrians Wall kind of nullifies the point to invading upper Scotland.

The_Emperor
05-24-2004, 13:30
I wonder if we can Invade Ireland from the sea... (probably not but I can wish) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Leet Eriksson
05-24-2004, 14:08
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ May 24 2004,07:30)]I wonder if we can Invade Ireland from the sea... (probably not but I can wish) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
how come rome invaded britain then? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Ireland can be invaded the same way,i wonder if britain will rely on ireland for specialised unit just like in mtw....

The_Emperor
05-24-2004, 14:31
The reason I am bringing it up is because it is on the map, but historically the Romans never invaded Ireland.

Of course it was a haven for those Britons fleeing the Romans as well...

Maybe it will be like Francland in VI and Sahara in MTW, not a viable territory.

The Wizard
05-24-2004, 16:50
Well, the Romans most certainly had the chance to get there, so why couldn't we change history?

I mean, this game is mostly historical regarding the units, but in events it's all different from 267 BC and on.

BTW, Parthia shouldn't be a faction in 267 BC, the earliest start date, because Arsaces had not migrated into the old Persian satrapy known as 'Parthia' (hence the Parni nomads migrating there gaining the name 'Parthians') for two decades. But I would accept CA making the Parthians a one-region faction, with their only region being one to the direct southeast of the Caspian Sea.



~Wiz

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-24-2004, 16:57
This might not be true, but I've heard a rumor that the minimap will be toggable too. If this is true, the minimap that you see is only a part of the total map. So, probably all of the British Isles and Near East (further than Eufrates and Tigris) will be included in the game.

The Wizard
05-24-2004, 17:01
Remember, 'Middle East' is a modern term... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

That would be nice, if we could fight not only along the great rivers of Mesopotamia and in western Persia, but also in Transoxania and Transjaxartia... this would open up possibilities like nomadic raids on the Parthian east, creating the RTW version of the historical problem for Parthian kings: Parthia constantly being threatened from two sides (most notable Rome and Kushan). Great idea

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~Wiz

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-24-2004, 17:08
Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ May 24 2004,11:01)]Remember, 'Middle East' is a modern term... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I said Near East, not Middle East... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif Although I should have probably said Near Orient.



Quote[/b] ]That would be nice, if we could fight not only along the great rivers of Mesopotamia and in western Persia, but also in Transoxania and Transjaxartia... this would open up possibilities like nomadic raids on the Parthian east, creating the RTW version of the historical problem for Parthian kings: Parthia constantly being threatened from two sides (most notable Rome and Kushan). Great idea

Problem is: then you would probably have to consider the Indian States near Indus river, which would be out of the scope of the game. If we keep at it we won't have Rome Total War but Ancient Total War, with a minimap spanning the planet... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

Knight_Yellow
05-24-2004, 21:24
Quote[/b] (dessa14 @ May 24 2004,11:54)]who cares about north scotland, rome certainly didn't
thanks, dessa
I rejoice knowing the USA will never be in a total war game.

unless its Napoleonic Era...

but then i can fix history and chain you up like the whores you should be... British whores

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MiniKiller
05-25-2004, 01:22
what

Nowake
05-25-2004, 08:00
he lost it

Colovion
05-25-2004, 08:38
"British Whores? I'll take two"

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Rosacrux
05-25-2004, 09:13
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

btw what kind of invasion shall this game feature? it should, in the fine tradition of the mongols... maybe Parthian invasion? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

squippy
05-25-2004, 12:01
Nah gotta be Germans. My moneys on the Belgae, and sundry Goths. Frankly a "random spawn of eastern horse nomads" would be entirely legit.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-25-2004, 13:46
It will be called The Great Invasions and it will feature all of the invaders: Goths, Huns, Suevi, Vandals, Alans, Franks, etc...

Shahed
05-25-2004, 13:53
Whoa Now that would pwn you all

Colovion
05-25-2004, 14:00
Not me.

Ok, maybe a little. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

biguth dickuth
05-26-2004, 00:01
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 24 2004,19:08)]
Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ May 24 2004,11:01)]Remember, 'Middle East' is a modern term... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I said Near East, not Middle East... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif Although I should have probably said Near Orient.



Quote[/b] ]That would be nice, if we could fight not only along the great rivers of Mesopotamia and in western Persia, but also in Transoxania and Transjaxartia... this would open up possibilities like nomadic raids on the Parthian east, creating the RTW version of the historical problem for Parthian kings: Parthia constantly being threatened from two sides (most notable Rome and Kushan). Great idea

Problem is: then you would probably have to consider the Indian States near Indus river, which would be out of the scope of the game. If we keep at it we won't have Rome Total War but Ancient Total War, with a minimap spanning the planet... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif
That is a very good idea... especially for the next total war tittle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

hoom
05-26-2004, 00:27
I believe it covers as far east as most of modern Iraq & little if any more.
Southwards it goes down to the Sudan or something.

Since the Iberian peninsula extends far west of Ireland, all of Ireland is there.
Looks like there's a fair bit of Africa goin on.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-26-2004, 00:46
Quote[/b] (biguth dickuth @ May 25 2004,18:01)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 24 2004,19:08)]
Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ May 24 2004,11:01)]Remember, 'Middle East' is a modern term... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I said Near East, not Middle East... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif Although I should have probably said Near Orient.



Quote[/b] ]That would be nice, if we could fight not only along the great rivers of Mesopotamia and in western Persia, but also in Transoxania and Transjaxartia... this would open up possibilities like nomadic raids on the Parthian east, creating the RTW version of the historical problem for Parthian kings: Parthia constantly being threatened from two sides (most notable Rome and Kushan). Great idea

Problem is: then you would probably have to consider the Indian States near Indus river, which would be out of the scope of the game. If we keep at it we won't have Rome Total War but Ancient Total War, with a minimap spanning the planet... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif
That is a very good idea... especially for the next total war tittle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
In fact, I've presented it in another thread a couple of months ago. I called it Humankind: Total War. It would probably span most of History, from 10000BC to the first space flight, and the minimap would span the planet. Territories would defined by area of influence (dependent of troops, forts, cities, etc...), allowing us to skip TW's approach to provinces...

hoom
05-26-2004, 01:06
Why would you suddenly stop Humankind:Total War at space flight???
Wars have continued unabated since & its only going to increase as we move on into the period dominated entirely by the Oil Peak (noticed expensive petrol lately???).

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-26-2004, 04:00
Quote[/b] (arrrse @ May 25 2004,19:06)]Why would you suddenly stop Humankind:Total War at space flight???
Wars have continued unabated since & its only going to increase as we move on into the period dominated entirely by the Oil Peak (noticed expensive petrol lately???).
And the game's development stage wouldn't be already too vast for that? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

biguth dickuth
05-26-2004, 23:56
I'd rather the game stopped at the early years of the industrial revolution, about the mid 19th century.
I consider this to be more preferable because the industrial revolution changed vastly the economy and warfare.

Therefore, i would prefer a game that spans in a time period before the one that shaped our modern world.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-27-2004, 01:05
Quote[/b] (biguth dickuth @ May 26 2004,17:56)]I'd rather the game stopped at the early years of the industrial revolution, about the mid 19th century.
I consider this to be more preferable because the industrial revolution changed vastly the economy and warfare.

Therefore, i would prefer a game that spans in a time period before the one that shaped our modern world.
Yes, your view is interesting. I agree that the TW system would have to be revamped to tackle Industrialization, as well as, Strategical and Tactical warfare in a large scale. The best period would be up until the end of the Napolenic Era, right?

hoom
05-27-2004, 01:49
But if you're going to call it Humankind:Total War & start at 10,000BCE, then why stop at some arbritrary date?
Especially when there have been many very important wars since the dates suggested.

Much better & more feasible to keep the periods & geography seperate as CA have been doing.

andrewt
05-27-2004, 03:24
Well, the fun in CA's games are mostly in the melee battles. Even if the game engine is overhauled from MTW to RTW, I think it would still feel similar. I think they would need a vastly different game engine to handle the firearms from the Napoleonic Era onwards. In Shogun and MTW, I didn't enjoy the gun battles very much. I don't think CA's current design is good for it.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-27-2004, 15:50
Quote[/b] (arrrse @ May 26 2004,19:49)]But if you're going to call it Humankind:Total War & start at 10,000BCE, then why stop at some arbritrary date?
Especially when there have been many very important wars since the dates suggested.
Because from our Era forward it would enter the realm of Fantasy or Futurology, not History... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif



Quote[/b] ]Much better & more feasible to keep the periods & geography seperate as CA have been doing.
For that we have CA's projects, haven't we? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-27-2004, 15:51
Quote[/b] (andrewt @ May 26 2004,21:24)]Well, the fun in CA's games are mostly in the melee battles. Even if the game engine is overhauled from MTW to RTW, I think it would still feel similar. I think they would need a vastly different game engine to handle the firearms from the Napoleonic Era onwards. In Shogun and MTW, I didn't enjoy the gun battles very much. I don't think CA's current design is good for it.
I think it would still be enough for the Napoleonic Era. Remember NTW?

RisingSun
05-27-2004, 22:30
I'm worried we wont have an RTW rendition of NTW, since there will not be any gunpowder units to work off of. Unless they use slingers or something.

hoom
05-28-2004, 05:36
Quote[/b] ]Because from our Era forward it would enter the realm of Fantasy or Futurology, not HistoryYes but neither the end of the Napoleonic era nor the era of the first Spaceflight are our era.
Thats what I'm saying, you have to at least get up to our era (the Globalisation/Oil Peak period) to justifiably call it Humankind:Total War.


Quote[/b] ]For that we have CA's projects, haven't we? Exactly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Oaty
05-28-2004, 05:51
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ May 27 2004,17:30)]I'm worried we wont have an RTW rendition of NTW, since there will not be any gunpowder units to work off of. Unless they use slingers or something.
MTW files have a lot of stuff related to Shogun in them. I'm no pro at programming but skimming through the folders makes me believe you can easily put Shogun into MTW.

Now since its almost guaranteed they will have an expansion pack and they'll probably throw a bunch of extra scrap that wo'nt relate to RTW but to the candidates they have already chosen as a future expansion. The 2 biggest requests are for a Napoleonic era and China/Asia.

Also they are making it much easier to mod how hard is it to make the stats for it. The hard part would be the animation, but if its in a dead folder should be quite easy for the pros

biguth dickuth
05-28-2004, 13:33
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 27 2004,03:05)]
Quote[/b] (biguth dickuth @ May 26 2004,17:56)]I'd rather the game stopped at the early years of the industrial revolution, about the mid 19th century.
I consider this to be more preferable because the industrial revolution changed vastly the economy and warfare.

Therefore, i would prefer a game that spans in a time period before the one that shaped our modern world.
Yes, your view is interesting. I agree that the TW system would have to be revamped to tackle Industrialization, as well as, Strategical and Tactical warfare in a large scale. The best period would be up until the end of the Napolenic Era, right?
Right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif