Training Units

[Psyco]

I had an idea that might work. Rather than just training a unt at valor 0 (or 1 if its the right province) why not make it you can spend more years training
eg. 1 years training- valor 0
2 years training- valor 2
3 years training- valor 3
it would be a good way to represent the enhanced training.
What do you people think?

[Nowake]

Maybe, but I think that anyone will prefer to train a unit in 1 year, and then take care of gaining valour on the battlefield.

[Leet Eriksson]

hmm i don't think that will work,since units gain valour on the feild not while training,i do think that longer training should improve the units morale,fatigue and probably offense and defence but not valour.

[Shahed]

I hope they will surprise us with a change to the honor/valor system. IMHO MTW is a bit too long an extension of Shoggy principles. Hopefully there will be a totally new system.

Can't think what that would be though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Stormer]

yea i agree seljik

[Nelson]

Training can only do so much. It’s valuable but limits are needed on how much difference it can make. More than one valor for training would be too much.

I could live with units falling into one of three categories: totally raw and untrained, trained but unblooded and veteran with experience winning. Beyond that I think we're splitting hairs and putting too fine a point on it. Some unit types like legion troops could not be untrained or they would not be legionaries.

[rory_20_uk]

I don;t tihnk that it is realistic that such a great deal of time would have been spent training all units. The elite units already have this level of training as part of their stats anyway. Units akain to spearmen are there as timebuyers and garrison troops. And I doubt that the troops themselves would apply themselves in the way that modern forces do - the lowest ranks are not there because they want to be, they are there as they were told to be - hence their low morale.

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ May 05 2003,05:20)]I hope they will surprise us with a change to the honor/valor system. IMHO MTW is a bit too long an extension of Shoggy principles. Hopefully there will be a totally new system.

Can't think what that would be though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
surprises are so rare these days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Hakonarson]

IMO the valour system is pretty good for this era. Veteran units were known by their battle field performance, and in some cases did actually cause fear to their foes - the best example is a bit before RTW - Alexanders veteran pikemen fighting for one of his successors were the original Argyraspids and were pretty much unbeatable by other pikemen - however they were politically unreliable - handing one of their commanders over to the enemy in return for their captured baggage, and were eventually posted to the borders of the empire http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Elite units such as the Xth legion were normally under-strength but very good veteran troops - reinforcemenets of recruits would dilute this.

[rory_20_uk]

Pikeman? Well, to be pedantic, they were using spears, not pikes (although I imagine that the difference being on the receiving end of a phlanx of spears is a mute point). I think that the greatest difference would be that the Macedonians were equipped with shields as well, making them harder to decimate with missile fire.

[Nowake]

The hoplites had average shields, but the macedonian phanlax had very small shields ... they acctually used their spears in order to protect from misile fire.