Creative Assembly Woad warriors... [Archive]

Catiline

05-14-2003, 10:18

From .com

Quote[/b] ]Woad Warriors
Woad Warriors are powerful and, quite frankly, scary British warriors. They disdain armour and most clothing, preferring to paint themselves with intricate and stylised magical designs in woad (a blue dye) to deflect enemy blows and missiles. The patterns created can be elaborate and almost inhuman, and distinctly unnerving for enemies unused to such barbarous practices. But the belief in their magic also armours them against fear, and makes them savage and dangerous fighters. Woad Warriors carry a long spear and a small shield and can move very quickly across even rough terrain. It is a foolish commander indeed who underestimates their terrifying effect in a battle.

http://www.totalwar.com/community/images/woad.jpg

Catiline

05-14-2003, 10:19

Curiously, he looks to me to be wielding a falx in that image, and thus not be a woad warrior but a Dacian...

Knight_Yellow

05-14-2003, 10:24

hmmm brittish but forgive me if im wrong but isnt a woad warrior scottish?

if not then age of empires 2 better change its unit line up.

but then again they were part of the "celts" campaign too so maybe i just made an ass of my initial assumption

grrrrrrr http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Shahed

05-14-2003, 11:10

Thx Cat

Did the word British even exist back then ? I did^nt think so.

Dîn-Heru

05-14-2003, 12:44

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ May 14 2003,10:24)]hmmm brittish but forgive me if im wrong but isnt a woad warrior scottish?
In the time of rome the inhabitants of the british isles, were celts and were called britons by the romans. If memory serves me correctly.

some_totalwar_dude

05-14-2003, 15:21

Quote[/b] (Catiline @ May 14 2003,11:19)]Curiously, he looks to me to be wielding a falx in that image, and thus not be a woad warrior but a Dacian...
Dacians.. they kicked roman arse for a while didn't they?

And it's weird that the discription says they wield a spear and shield while they carry a falx

Gregoshi

05-14-2003, 15:30

The Womans would be wise to wespect the wough and scawy Woad Warriors.

BTW, the picture looks nothing like Mel Gibson.

Lord Of Storms

05-14-2003, 15:34

You know Gregoshi I looked at this topic and said someone is gonna make an Elmer fudd/ babara wawa joke sooner or later and of course... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Gregoshi

05-14-2003, 20:07

Sorry, it is a reflex thing with me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Catiline

05-14-2003, 20:52

shouldn'tr that be wefwex

Knight_Yellow

05-14-2003, 21:45

ill have to have my friend bigus dickus investigate this.

you wotten waskles

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

RisingSun

05-14-2003, 22:05

I went to .com just before coming here, and there was no new unit. Then, seeing this topic, went bck, and its still not there. as the unit been taken down, or is my computer wetawded? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

Hakonarson

05-14-2003, 22:05

Hmmm...a curious mix of cultures and history - long spears and small shields with woad painted bodies are a Pictish trait well attested for Roman times.

The bits about disdaining armour and most clothing apply to some Gallic warriors BC - Gastatai and Gallatians particulerly being noted for it. One historian (Livy) even notes that their lack of clothes is a major disadvantage vs light missiles, as even the smallest can then break skin rather than being caught in the folds of cloth, and thier demise in several occasions was Roman skirmishers (Telamon in 225BC and 2 battles vs Galatians in 189BC, plus vs Greeks in 279BC IIRC).

Psyco

05-15-2003, 02:02

I checked to, add I couldn't find the unit on the main website. Is this off a different site or something?

Kongamato

05-15-2003, 05:39

You cant link to it from the Rome section. You must survey the news for the updated unit profiles.

They are being displayed at this location:

http://www.totalwar.com/community/unit1.htm

Emp.Dacosta

05-15-2003, 07:35

I think that is a Celtic unit.

Nowake

05-15-2003, 08:06

That sword is not a falx, and the guy is not dacian, believe me ... plus, the dacians wore armour and had round shields.

Catiline

05-15-2003, 12:36

Looks suspiciously like a Dacian to me, and that's certainly a falk or a rhomphaia, which is hte antecedent of the falx. conceivably that could be a Thracian i suppose, but it looks like every image of a Dacian i've seen

Dacians...
http://www.thrace.0catch.com/images/Dacians.jpghttp://www.totalwar.com/community/images/woad.jpg

Now, is it just me or do those look pretty similar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

The Falx

http://www.thrace.0catch.com/images/weapons/1falxb.JPG

Catiline

05-15-2003, 13:59

Just trying something...

Spino

05-15-2003, 14:57

Thanks for the pics Catiline.

OK, so it's a topless Celtic warrior wielding a falx. Or maybe it's a light Dacian infantryman model and the artists threw some woad on him to make him look Celtic. No big deal, give CA's 3d and texture artists some stern lectures and fix the problem.

Catiline

05-15-2003, 21:05

I can't see any woad on that pic, though granted it's a bit on the tiny side.

Longshanks

05-16-2003, 15:03

I think its a Dacian as well. There is no woad, and the warrior is holding a falk which was used by the Dacians.

There was no "British" people in the Roman era. Britain was occupied by various tribes who were their own nations. While there were many tribes, they basically fell into 3 ethnic groups...Britons(ancestors to the Welsh), Gauls, and Picts. The Britons and Gauls were Celts, the Picts were not.(in my opinion...there is some controversy over their origin. Celtic vs. pre-Celtic)Painting with Woad was also more of a Pictish trait then a Celtic one. The word Picti in Latin means "painted one."

Captain Fishpants

05-16-2003, 15:04

Our talented webmonkey appears to have posted the right information, but the wrong picture.

MikeB ~ CA

Shahed

05-16-2003, 15:06

HAHAHAHA ROFLMAO

Into the closet with him http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

EDIT: oops I guess in English English that is cupboard.

Nowake

05-16-2003, 15:33

well, Catiline, sorry to dissapoint you, but the falx (siccae) could be wielded with one hand ... as I said, the dacians wore armour, and had round shields ... They never had woad on them anyway ... That pic doesn't even looks like a dacian, I saw lots in my history books, I can assure you ...

Also, the siccae, the famous dacian sword (indeed, that is the weapon everybody talks about, the falx is bigger and straight, not curved) was more curved than it looks in the pic ...

Catiline

05-16-2003, 15:43

I'm not wrong PF. The falx was a two handed weapon, like a glaive. You already said on .com that the falx and the siccae were different things.

besides Captian Fishpants already said the image was wrong

Nowake

05-16-2003, 15:54

Well, if the falx was a two-handed weapon or not, it's disputable, so I'm sorry for making such a categoric afirmation.

BTW, I don't think that everybody here watches the .com, so just to be sure http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

And that was the thing I wanted to say too, CF said that it is a wrong image, so we are argueing with no good reason ...

Cheers ...