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[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

The way I see it, I think post in this forum will fall in 2 categories;

1/ story thread; where players tell the story http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

2/ players trying to organize a PBM SP campaign, or MP reenactement battle, exchanging email adress, making sure that things work properly, etc... Kind of administrative follow up of the actual story.

I am kind of egoist here... I have not participated in actual PBM campaign, but I like reading those, but for the administrative part which is kind of disrupting the story line...

What do you think?

Louis the Simurgh,

[Shahed]

My main interest is in historically correct, or vaguely correct battles in MP. Though I have only contributed once in a PBM campaign I am willing to do so, time permitting, in the future.

If we do have lets say, objective based or vaguely historical capaigns and battle in MP. The name of the forum should reflect this I think.

Uh huh is that important ? I love when I talk myself into a circle.

[KukriKhan]

There are other ideas for appropriate postings here, as well. But, at first, I propose we start with straight 'story-telling' threads, then move on to the cleaned-up PBM threads. Then take a breather & decide on the on-going PBM's (with all the admin messages) and other stuff.

[frogbeastegg]

Do you think that all the sories should go in one thread, like the warriors hold in the entrance hall? Now there's a seperate forum it would be easy to have several story threads running at once say a battle story thread, a campagin story thread, the warriors hold for one offs, and seperate topics for any authors running a long series (like my behind the vices and virtues, if it makes the trip over).

The play be emails could probably work in the same way as they do now, but I'm not involved with them so I can't really say how well that works.

Seperate threads for historically correct sories could be started as needed. We've got plenty of space, let's not waste it

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Yep the vice and vertues thread shall find its place here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif...

Louis the Simurgh,

[KukriKhan]

You'll all want to know what tools we mod's have available.

I can Move, close, delete, edit, pin, rebuild and split topics.

So: I'm thinking: move stuff enmasse now, split later. However, since I'm not mod here, I need to check with ShadesWolf to insure he's up for the splitting work. I have a PM in to him now. For now: if you folks could find and post (here) links to proposed topics to move, that should keep us busy for a bit, until ShadesWolf responds.

[Ser Clegane]

I would vote for also the ongoing PMB campaigns to be included in this forum. They contain a lot of good story telling and this way it will be easier to keep track which campaigns are currently going on or have already been going.

Never participated in a PMB campign before but I guess when the patch is released my interest in the campaigns will be revitalized and it would be fun to join one.

[frogbeastegg]

Lets see now:

here's my story thread, don't feel obliged to put it in just becasue I ask, I'm taking a break from my unit guide and I'm a little bored froggy's stories (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8702)

There's the warrior hold (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8401) of course.

Holy Roman Empire PBEM (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8972)

Also the almo VI PBEM (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=7410)

glorious kings of England (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=4991)

glorious kings of Poland (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=7838)

Kings of England PBEM (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=4992)

Almo (non VI) PBEM (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=7287)

Does exactly how bad are you (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8337) count? It contains some very funny stories, show newbies that they are not alone in making mistakes and gives us a chance to laugh at our first steps in TW.

Those are the most obvious ones, someone who takes part in PBEM should decide which ones are needed.

[KukriKhan]

Just the kind of thing I'm looking for frogbeastegg. I've been given temp mod status to facilitate the move. Keep the links & suggestions coming, folks.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

There's an option, I don't know how good it would be: divide et impera is a good thing, but tons of forums each having very little traffic doesn't seem very good either.

Story telling and PBM are closely related, but it may be good to seperate them. It is possible to make 1 forum that contains 1 or more subforums. I can set it up that way so you can see how it works. Or like suggested: a member administrative and actual story telling one.

The subcategory button may need a new icon (matching the waxseals. I would also like to add that it's possible to do some redecorating if wanted (a la Sword Dojo).

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

ok here we go...

(I don't mention the obvious 'Kings of...' and PBM campaign thread).

The Warrior Hold (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8401)

Some Froggies (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8702)

ShaiHulud vs the Mongol (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=9134)

MP re enactement thread (no story ...too bad ) (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=18;t=6410)

Will find some more later... Need a good 'post your pics' thread too

Louis the Simurgh,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Froggie beats me to it

I could not find the 'how bad are you thread'... Happy to get it back, it's a fun one.

Not sure I understand the subforum thingy. I'd rather put everything in the same forum for now... But up to you guys.

Louis the Simurgh,

[KukriKhan]

Yes. I was thinking Major areas of interest would be:

Straight Member-written Historical fiction

PBM threads

Member-taken Screenshots

Member-written MP accounts

Admin announcements & instructions (how to take & post screenies, e.g.)

Not necessarily in that order. I like the idea of a distinctive look (ala SD), but don't know what's available. Maybe something 'literary' looking? Thoughts from the rest of you guys?

[TosaInu]

Either is fine with me, just showing the possibility.

[frogbeastegg]

Here's some more (I even found my first post, moldering away on page 13 )

historical re-enactment (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=18;t=6410;hl=alrowan), I'm not sure it's what we want but re-enactment lives here now.

Likewise this one (crusades) (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=18;t=6527;hl=alrowan)

There's this old chestnut (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=18;t=7164;hl=alrowan), I'm not sure if anyone wants to read it again.

Does anyone else think that the screenshots thread might be better in here? If I recall correctly it's only on probation in the entrance hall. The sticky's in the entrance hall are getting very long (by necessity) which leaves the place feeling cluttered. Screenshots seem quite well suited to this forum anyway, perhaps a seperate screeny thread would do?

I keep finding references to Alrowan's Manzikert RPG but I can't find it, searching for Manzikert and Alrowan find everything but this thread. Maybe it's still in the archives? It's a famous story thread so if anyone finds it...

Louis - don't try to out speed type the frog She's had way to much practise recently http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

TosaInu - I agree with Louis, I don't think I fully understand your suggestion. Scratch that, you altered it while I was typing (I feel so lost, the world changed while I was away...) It looks good by the way.

[KukriKhan]

I agree: I like the subforum idea/implementation. In the end, it's all about ease of navigation & posting. If we have this separate forum, with 4-5 sub-forums, that should do the trick. Any more than 5 (I think) runs the risk of low usage.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I find some Manzikert RPG thread but not the real one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Hum... I think one forum is enough, not sure subforums are necessary...

Louis the Simurgh,

[frogbeastegg]

Gack I should have said this earlier (my memory was jolted as I perused the boards), there's one story we don't want in here - the one word story That spam thread belongs in the tavern and there's another one in the entrance hall, there is no way we need a third spam thread.

Anywho, I'm going to take a peek in the library and see if there's anything in there (not so likely, it's not the library's purpose to hold old stories).

[KukriKhan]

After more thought: maybe a main story-telling forum & two sub-forums (PBM's & screenshots); the primary gist of the entire forum being member-generated words and art.

Should the current Warrior Hold thread be split into separate threads, or kept intact, as a kind of launch-point for further independent threads?

[frogbeastegg]

Hmmm, as I thought, there was nothing in the library.

KuriKhan, that depends on several things, like what are we going to call this forum. It will be a little odd to have a topic called the warriors hold inside the warriors hold forum (that seems to be the most popular name). If you want to split it up perhaps a split by author would work? That would preserve the mini series some authors have going and make it easy to find a specific author when you want to read one of their works (e.g. there is a topic called 'Simon Appleton' and most of Simon's works are stored there)

I think it would probably be best to leave it intact, new stories wouldn't have to go inside that topic, but it would serve as an example and a pick 'n' mix of stories and authors. If we want to call this forum the Warriors Hold you can rename the topic to reduce confusion.

BTW: Maybe someone should take a new poll in a seperate topic to decide a name. Someone who can do those fancy topics with the voting in...

[KukriKhan]

Re: Poll. Great idea. Need suggestions first (up to 9, with 10 being other).

Personally, I like The Scriptorium.

I've moved Warrior Hold & Screenshots over, intact for now; and put the finished Glorious English Kings in the sub PBM. How's that look/feel?

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I am not overwhelmingly enthousiastic about the subforums idea.

PBM says also administrative; does that mean that it is for the 'administrative' part of the PBM (email exchange, give me the save file and so on), or does that also includes the story part of it?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

I would not mind having a warrior hold topic in a warrior hold forum; remember where we started...

[KukriKhan]

Both, IMO. Following Demon of Light's precedent, when an at-play PMB campaign neared its end, a second Glorious Reign of_, cleaned-up of admin remarks, thread would be posted, showing only the narratives & screenshots.

In fact, I was about to do that with the Almo campaigns today, until this worthy project came up. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[frogbeastegg]

Here's another one, it's unfinished but it's good reading: kings of Mercia (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=6695)

Also Pictish royal line (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=6687)

Things are beginning to look more lived in, this place echoed when I first walked in. Suggestions for a name I've seen (mostly in the thread that propsed this forum) include:
*The Warrior Hold (good but we have a topic called that, something would have to give)
*The fireplace
*Bards Tale
*The Throne Room
*The Round Table
*Dynasty Hall
*The Ancestor Gallery (maybe the Royal Gallery? That sounds slightly less like a morgue to me)
*The Town Gossip
*The Scriptorium (nice name. Tip number 1.Never leave out a mods suggestion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )
I'd like to add:
*The Mead Hall (that's where all this tale telling took place in times of yore, it's also the name of a building in VI so it fits the theme.)

The sub forum idea isn't bad, I don't like the icon that appears on the Guild screen becasue it doesn't fit the theme very well. (Picky, picky. It's only temporary, I'm sure)

The reason why I think you shouldn't have a topic (especially a sticky topic) called the same thing as a forum is that it wouild get confusing. Imagine the scene; Patron A 'I posted it in the Warriors Hold', Patron B 'Great, I'll go look.' Patron B looks in the forum, while Patron A meant the topic.

After all this is done all the forum will need is the other new moderator (always work in twos or something, right?) and a heap load of new stories.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Hum... What about

The Divine Comedy
MidSummer Night's tale

(I can go on and on... Tales of canterbury?)

Yep Kukri, post game cleaning a la Demon is a very good solution. Much better than having two thread as I proposed. Still not sure I like the subforums http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Louis the Simurgh,

[The_Emperor]

Will Junior Patrons be granted access these forums? I was just thinking it would be nice to be able to reach a large audience with our stories and PBM campaigns.

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,


Quote[/b] ]PBM says also administrative; does that mean that it is for the 'administrative' part of the PBM (email exchange, give me the save file and so on), or does that also includes the story part of it?[quote]

I was thinking you'ld be able to make a better judgement when seeing an example, I'm fine with 1 or more forums for this. I've no idea how much traffic this is going to generate, but it seems closely related, so it seems good to keep it together. There are other ways for that too. Your call.

[quote]The sub forum idea isn't bad, I don't like the icon that appears on the Guild screen becasue it doesn't fit the theme very well. (Picky, picky. It's only temporary, I'm sure)
Quite valid and it's mentioned somewhere in this forum. I could rename one of the current wax seals use that and wait for a better one.

Yes, need some moderators.

Edit: JP's can reply at this moment, this may change.

[ShadesWolf]

Greetings 'The_Emperor '

As far as I can remember it was our plan to include Junior Patrons in these forums.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (ShadesWolf @ Aug. 05 2003,18:31)]Greetings 'The_Emperor '

As far as I can remember it was our plan to include Junior Patrons in these forums.
Thanks ShadesWolf, I was just checking... After all we do have a few new members in the PBM Campaigns (and in the Warrior Hold Thread)

[frogbeastegg]

Here's the Reign of King John 1 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=4866), it's an oldie and a goodie.

There's this old story thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=4838), it's a little short, but it could grow...

crusader roleplay (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=4597)

That's looking all the way back to page 36 of the entrance hall. I think I'll stop now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[KukriKhan]

Whew...a Yeoman's work frogbeastegg. Thanks for your able assist. Take your shoes off. Drop the armour. Have a beer on me.
https://jimcee.homestead.com/files/Beer_served_2.gif

[The_Emperor]

Right I have just found the Greatest Victory Against the Odds (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=7894;hl=battle+losses) Thread... Looking for other ones.

EDIT: Alright heres the defeat stories one... Exactly How Bad Are You? (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8337;hl=worst+defeat)

*gets back to the search pages...*

[ShadesWolf]

OK sorry guys,I only have access to the main hall, so as far as i can tell ive moved everything.

[The_Emperor]

I think ole Kukri is gonna have his work cut out... the Entrence Hall is full of PBM campaigns and those story threads I posted links to are form there as well.

[KukriKhan]

Heh The_Emporer, I've got about half the list over so far, and I'm tracking the others (thanks for your help finding them, too).

I think I'll let this forum settle in a little first before I move the rest; don't want to present a new visitor with a too-overwhelming list of topics yet.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I definitly favor one forum over two subforum.... one additional click, and I fail to see the added value of it. At some point I was concerned by story line getting lost in all the backup work necessary for PBM campaign, but a solution a la DOL seems to be the best for me...

Louis the Simurgh,

[Kongamato]

How closely related to MTW should the accepted stories be? I plan to submit something that clearly contains elements outside of MTW, but will be related to the game in many ways. I guess that the stories included in the roleplay thread would be at about the same limits as mine. And it's not like such a story would get thrown into the Tavern or something - no moderator will bother reading it completely

[ShadesWolf]

I have no feelings either way, to me a story is a story

[KukriKhan]

Quote[/b] (ShadesWolf @ Aug. 07 2003,04:57)]I have no feelings either way, to me a story is a story
Ditto.

[Sjakihata]

I agree, this new forum should contain all fiction, interactive or not.

And give us two forums please, so we quickly can select a story to read.

if the clicks bother you, just bookmark it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Tempiic]

Nahh the clicks do not bother me much, It is good mtw practice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Quote[/b] (Tempiic @ Aug. 07 2003,09:48)]Nahh the clicks do not bother me much, It is good mtw practice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Yep, but I can't double click behind the PBM line http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif .

That's detrimental for the followers of CBR, Da Mighty Click King.

Louis the Simurgh,

[Kongamato]

Do you have to post stories in the Warrior Hold thread? I guess if I made a story long enough I could make it it's own topic. If I made a serial then it would definitely deserve it's own thread. I bet the Warrior Hold will be the place to send various short stories and other things. It would negate the purpose of a separate forum to not be able to post your own topics.

[KukriKhan]

No, you don't have to post stories ONLY in the Warrior Hold topic. I just moved that topic over enmasse to 'prime the pump', so to speak; to get us started.

Any story or series can/should have it's own thread. I suggest the title of any thread/topic you start refer to its contents, of course. 'The Princes of Denmark' would be more descriptive than 'Kukri's latest Story', for example.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

IMO, you clearly don't have to post short story in the warrior hold THREAD. If this is to become the warrior hold FORUM, then, yep I guess most story will end up here

I sure want to post story in a separate topic

Louis the Simurgh,