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Judean Prince
08-30-2003, 13:44
Well, as my name suggests, I would be very excited if there were Judeans to play with in R:TW, I was just wondering if anybody has any information concerning this matter, or just your thoughts and ideas about it. #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Marshal Murat
08-30-2003, 14:40
Well Judeans lived in Jordan area until taken over by the Romans. #Under this rule, Jesus was crucified. #Then there was the Judean uprisings by Macabedies or something, who defeated the Romans but was killed I belive in the Masseda siege and following battle. #But most talk says they might play a minor role, seeing as the game is supposed to end in 1 AD.

Judean Prince
08-30-2003, 15:50
Yes Marshal, there were Judeans living in Israel and they had a lot of uprisings, thats why I asked, I thouhgt that because of the so many uprisings, the developers would choose to make them a faction, I heard that the game would be up to at least 100 A.D. also because many historians believe that the struggle of the Jews against the Roman rule, was one of the largest long-lasting wars at that time.

(BTW - The Maccabean uprising was against the Greek rule, some 200 years before the Romans. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif)

Shahed
08-30-2003, 17:06
Shalom and Welcome Aboard http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Would be cool, but I would not vouch for too much historical accuracy in RTW. As it's predecessor (MTW) shows, it's more about gaming than historical value.
Btw the Romans did assualt the fortress at Masada if I am not mistaken.


hava nagila hava nagila ha......*dances off into the distance*

hava nagila hava nagila ha......*dances off into the distance again*

Queen Daenerys I Targaryen
08-30-2003, 17:30
They're will no doubt be Judeans, but I doubt that they'll be playable.

Judean Prince
08-30-2003, 22:24
LOL, SeljukSinan, I'm not sure if what you said was supposed to be a taunt... but thanks anyway, and about Massada, the romans did attack it, but it wasn't in the Maccabean revolt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Shahed
08-30-2003, 22:26
No it's not a taunt. I was trying to be funny. #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

EDIT: Opps I see why you thought so, becuase I wrote the bit about Massada, in between the dance. Actually I wrote that in as an afterthought, an edit like this one. I corrected it now, see above.

Yeah the Romans attacked it, the ramp is still there. I know that since I was at a time building a custom map for MTW, called Massada. I never finished it alas. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif What century was that in again, please ?

While you are here, can you tell us some good, objective sites on Judaism. I'd be very interested in enhancing my knowledge. I don't know a great deal on the Tora, or in fact much about Judean history either.

I think you are one of the few Israeli members of the org, so another hearty welcome to you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Judean Prince
08-30-2003, 22:36
Oh, ok, I actually had no problem with your Messada comment, it was all of that singing... lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

anyway, I don't remeber the exact year it happened, it happened between 70-80 A.D., it was I believe after the Temple in Jerusalem had already been destroyed, Messada was the last stance against the Romans, and when they saw the Romans starting to climb up, they understood they had no chance, and commited mass suicide.

Shahed
08-30-2003, 22:40
Hehe #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Well what do we know about Judeans in RTW. Is there any official word that Judea will be a seperate faction. It sure should be. I bet they'll put em in a minor faction position.

Then again what do we know about the region at that time and about the military ? Did they have an organised force ?

Sorry for my ignorance. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif Any info appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Judean Prince
08-31-2003, 12:36
Well, I'll tell you what, I actually got a lot more interested in the Judean war because I began reading this book: The Jewish War, it was written by Josephus Phlavius, who was a Jew born in Jerusalem, his real name was Joseph Ben Matitiahu, anyway, the book was written somewhere between 75-79 A.D., it is the most accurate account of the war and the region to all of its details, what makes it even more unbelievble is the fact that he was actually a soldier in the Judean resistance and he himself tells his story, the thing is, that because the book had gone so many translations, historians arent sure of the original language it was written in, though by many evidence it is widely thought that the language of origin was actually Hebrew I'm reading it in Hebrew, though my version is a translation from the Greek version lol, this book doesnt just gives you an account of how the war was fought, it also gives you basic history, because Josephus was also an historian, it tells about the Greeks and the Maccabeas also, and about all of the royal wars for the crown of Judea between the Jews... from what I understand, nobody had a regular army back then, people would just send a genenral and gather an army, though I'm not really sure about that, anyway, if you are really interested, check the book out. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

rasoforos
08-31-2003, 15:34
hello Judean Prince . I agree that they should appear , after an uprising perhaps and become a minor faction , it would be cool.
In addition it offers a nice opportunity for a nice easter egg in the game....the famous Judea's People Front http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ( P.S to the readers : if you dont get it then go rent some monty python films )

BDC
08-31-2003, 20:12
Maybe it could be several factions, like the Peoples' front of Judea and Popular Front of Judea? All bitter enemies of course. And if not, maybe a modding oppotunity...

(Sorry if I got the names wrong, ages since I watched it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif)

Knight_Yellow
08-31-2003, 21:52
Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Aug. 31 2003,15:34)]hello Judean Prince . I agree that they should appear , after an uprising perhaps and become a minor faction , it would be cool.
# # #In addition it offers a nice opportunity for a nice #easter egg in the game....the famous Judea's People Front http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #( P.S to the readers : if you dont get it then go rent some monty python films )
only if theres the popular judeans front.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Mount Suribachi
08-31-2003, 21:56
Whilst the Maccabean revolt is the most famous, Judeah was famous for being difficult to suppress. It was the Portugal/Livonia of the Roman World http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

1 of the many Jewish movements from the period of the Roman Occupation were the Zealots, perhaps the most famous of whom was Judas Iscariot.

Josephus was one of the top historians of the 1st century. He wrote his history mainly to impress the Romans that the Jews weren't just a bunch of rebellious barbarians but actually a cultured, historic people. His history is also one of the top non-biblical sources on Jesus Christ - he basically said that he was a great Rabbi who spoke powerfully, but deceived the people with his tricks and insulted the religious leaders and was put to death for blasphemy. Basically it describes in short what is in the gospels, but from a Jewish point of view. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif He ended up moving to Rome and became best mates with the Roman Emperor (whose names escapes me right now).

Oh, and Judean Prince, I recommend that you stay away from the Tavern unless you like intense political debate, writing long posts and have a thick skin. I say this because the general consensus there is that Israel/America/Republicans/Christians are resposible for everything that is, ever was or ever will be, wrong with this world. Ever.

The_Emperor
08-31-2003, 22:06
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Aug. 31 2003,21:52)]
Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Aug. 31 2003,15:34)]hello Judean Prince . I agree that they should appear , after an uprising perhaps and become a minor faction , it would be cool.
# # #In addition it offers a nice opportunity for a nice #easter egg in the game....the famous Judea's People Front http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #( P.S to the readers : if you dont get it then go rent some monty python films )
only if theres the popular judeans front.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Yep... Splitters

Jacque Schtrapp
08-31-2003, 22:10
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Aug. 31 2003,15:56)]Oh, and Judean Prince, I recommend that you stay away from the Tavern unless you like intense political debate, writing long posts and have a thick skin. #I say this because the general consensus there is that Israel/America/Republicans/Christians are resposible for everything that is, ever was or ever will be, wrong with this world. #Ever.
Not bad advice. Still, there are those of us who work tirelessly to educate the ignorant masses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

bighairyman
08-31-2003, 23:24
i also think there should be Judeans in RTW, but i think they should be spilt into a couple of factions. you know what, i think every major faction in RTW should be spilt into mini factions(i.e. there are two egpytain factions, and a lot of difference tribes of barbarians).

just a thought

Shahed
09-01-2003, 01:01
Quote[/b] (Judean Prince @ Aug. 31 2003,12:36)]Well, I'll tell you what, I actually got a lot more interested in the Judean war because I began reading this book: The Jewish War, it was written by Josephus Phlavius, who was a Jew born in Jerusalem, his real name was Joseph Ben Matitiahu, anyway, the book was written somewhere between 75-79 A.D., it is the most accurate account of the war and the region to all of its details, what makes it even more unbelievble is the fact that he was actually a soldier in the Judean resistance and he himself tells his story, the thing is, that because the book had gone so many translations, historians arent sure of the original language it was written in, though by many evidence it is widely thought that the language of origin was actually Hebrew I'm reading it in Hebrew, though my version is a translation from the Greek version lol, this book doesnt just gives you an account of how the war was fought, it also gives you basic history, because Josephus was also an historian, it tells about the Greeks and the Maccabeas also, and about all of the royal wars for the crown of Judea between the Jews... from what I understand, nobody had a regular army back then, people would just send a genenral and gather an army, though I'm not really sure about that, anyway, if you are really interested, check the book out. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Hmm thanks I'll check out that book. See if I can grab a copy. Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Judean Prince
09-01-2003, 14:02
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Aug. 31 2003,15:56)]
Oh, and Judean Prince, I recommend that you stay away from the Tavern unless you like intense political debate, writing long posts and have a thick skin. #I say this because the general consensus there is that Israel/America/Republicans/Christians are resposible for everything that is, ever was or ever will be, wrong with this world. #Ever.


Thanks, actually I unfortunetly have a lot of expirience with people a lot worse than them, I understand what you mean.

KFW_MadMick_5
09-01-2003, 14:09
Just been reading about RTW, and from what it said the game will finish in AD14. At the time of Augustas death. I think Ive got my facts right. I wonder if Jesus will turn up somewhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Sigurd
09-01-2003, 14:28
Quote[/b] (Judean Prince @ Aug. 31 2003,20:36)]Well, I'll tell you what, I actually got a lot more interested in the Judean war because I began reading this book: The Jewish War, it was written by Josephus Phlavius, who was a Jew born in Jerusalem, his real name was Joseph Ben Matitiahu, anyway, the book was written somewhere between 75-79 A.D.,
I meant to post this earlier...

Is this the same book that is labeled ‘Josephus’ or did he produce other books like the one you mention… I have an old copy that I picked up in an old bookstore in Edinburgh, never read more than some of the first chapters.
I bought it back when I was reading up on Christianity and wanted other sources than the standard Bible.

I remember from the book that Moses actually was an Egyptian General and led the Egyptians to victory over the Ethiopians. The princess in the capital city of Ethiopia opened the gates on the condition of Moses marrying her.

redrooster
09-01-2003, 14:53
If i'm not wrong, amoung secular and comtemporary historians, only Josephus and Tacitus made mention of Jesus. If the game ends with augustus then the time frame would not cover the revolt that Josephus was involved in known formally as the Jewish Roman war where temple of Jeruselum was looted and destroyed or the Bar Kochbar revolt that ended up with Jeruselum destroyed and Isreal/Judea renamed Syria Palestina.
the Hopefully the game could model the maccabeans since they were pretty involved in local politics first with the seleucids then the romans. So maybe like the swiss in MTW they could emerge in the 2nd century BC to add flavour to the game.

Mount Suribachi
09-01-2003, 18:10
Quote[/b] (,Sep. 01 2003 @ 14:53)]Just been reading about RTW, and from what it said the game will finish in AD14. At the time of Augustas death. I think Ive got my facts right. I wonder if Jesus will turn up somewhere .


Well, that would make Jesus around 19 or 20...All we know about him before he turned 30 are his birth and being left at the temple when he was 13. #You might get reports of Magi from the East visiting Judeah around 3 BC. #More likely would be the news of Herods slaughter of all kids under the age of 2 (and if you think that story is far fetched, you need to read up on Herod - the guy was a psycho)

My wife got me a book last Christmas which I’d not got round to reading – “Josephus. #A unique witness” by David Bentley Taylor. #This thread inspired me to dig it out and start reading it. #Very, very interesting. #He certainly led an interesting life #I don’t know anyone who’s had so many near scrapes with death from shipwrecks, murder by his political enemies, his own troops for wanting to surrender (when the Romans had broken into the city of Jotapata after a 47 day siege) and then the future Emperor Vespasian as a POW. #He prophecied that Vespasian would one day be Emperor, possibly to save his own skin, but he turned out to be right sooner rather than later. #

He had also opposed the Jewish uprising as he felt that the Jews had no chance against 3 legions of the mighty Roman army (points at sig). #Nevertheless, he was a general of the Jewish army and seemingly quite a competent one, trying to train his men in the manner of the Roman army. #After Jerusalem fell he moved to Rome, became Vespasians best mate and wrote his histories.

BTW, Judean Prince, my book says that he wrote The Wars of the Jews in Aramaic (not Hebrew) originally, then had to learn Greek before he could translate it. #Personally I wouldn’t have thought he would have written it in Hebrew cos Aramaic was spoken in Judeah at that time. #But then again I can’t believe that such a well brought up and intelligent man would have to learn Greek in his middle age as Greek was the English of its day. #I dunno http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

SeljukSinan – in all he wrote 4 books, The Wars of the Jews, The Antiquities of the Jews (the story of the OT), Life, and Against Apion. #Altogether they are just a little bit shorter than the bible, so there’s a lot to read #Whilst in Rome he had access to the diaries of Vespasian, Titus and King Agrippa, so he had pretty good sources for a lot of his material #Having read the 1st 2 chapters of my book (on his life and then the story of Herod) which quote extensively from his works, he certainly seems an entertaining writer with an interesting story to tell. #He certainly casts light on all kinds of issues. #I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the 2 chapters I’ve read so far

Finally I wouldn’t call him a secular writer #Just a cursory glance at some of his writings makes it quite clear that he had a very strong belief in God and regarded holyness and righteous living as very important. #“God is the beginning, middle and end of all things. #All men ought to follow Him and worship Him in the practise of virtue.” #He is our primary non-biblical source on Jesus Christ, and the early Christians and #Christian church. #He also sheds much more detailed light on over 20 NT characters from King Herod to Felix and Festus, greatly enhancing our understanding of the people and society in the NT. # Its also worth pointing out that our knowledge about the early 1st century AD from contempary sources is patchy to say the least about *everything*, not just Jesus Christ, with just a handful of fragments of info here and there.

The_Emperor
09-01-2003, 18:42
Quote[/b] (Judean Prince @ Sep. 01 2003,14:02)]
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Aug. 31 2003,15:56)]
Oh, and Judean Prince, I recommend that you stay away from the Tavern unless you like intense political debate, writing long posts and have a thick skin. #I say this because the general consensus there is that Israel/America/Republicans/Christians are resposible for everything that is, ever was or ever will be, wrong with this world. #Ever.


Thanks, actually I unfortunetly have a lot of expirience with people a lot worse than them, I understand what you mean.
Oh come on we are not that bad Mount... I'm sure Judean Prince will hold his own in our furious political discussions.

Welcome to the Org Judean Prince http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Mount Suribachi
09-01-2003, 18:53
Maybe so. But I just can't be doing with it. Before I took a 6 month break from the org, one poster even blamed Christianity for the hole in the ozone layer... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

The_Emperor
09-01-2003, 19:03
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Sep. 01 2003,18:53)]Maybe so. #But I just can't be doing with it. #Before I took a 6 month break from the org, one poster even blamed Christianity for the hole in the ozone layer... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Yeah there's always someone who takes things a little too far, on both sides... I just take it with a pinch of salt and get back to the serious discussions, trying to avoid rising flames.

Judean Prince
09-01-2003, 20:53
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Sep. 01 2003,12:53)]Maybe so. #But I just can't be doing with it. #Before I took a 6 month break from the org, one poster even blamed Christianity for the hole in the ozone layer... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

redrooster
09-01-2003, 23:57
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ Sep. 02 2003,02:10)]Finally I wouldn’t call him a secular writer #Just a cursory glance at some of his writings makes it quite clear that he had a very strong belief in God and regarded holyness and righteous living as very important. #“God is the beginning, middle and end of all things. #All men ought to follow Him and worship Him in the practise of virtue.” #He is our primary non-biblical source on Jesus Christ, and the early Christians and #Christian church. #He also sheds much more detailed light on over 20 NT characters from King Herod to Felix and Festus, greatly enhancing our understanding of the people and society in the NT. # Its also worth pointing out that our knowledge about the early 1st century AD from contempary sources is patchy to say the least about *everything*, not just Jesus Christ, with just a handful of fragments of info here and there.
Guess secular would not be the best word for josephus, maybe non messianic or non believer? Pertaining to Christianity of course.
Information from 1st century AD patchy???

Mount Suribachi
09-02-2003, 11:45
He was simply a believing Jew - raised as a pharisee (who were the main targets of Jesus criticism for their hypocritical legalism).

I said *early* 1st century AD. I'll have to dig out my book where it lists contempary sources from around the time of Jesus's life.

Judean Prince
09-02-2003, 21:45
Quote[/b] (redrooster @ Sep. 01 2003,08:53)]Bar Kochbar revolt that ended up with Jeruselum destroyed and Israel/Judea renamed Syria Palestina.
At least someone knows his history... #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
(as oppose to some other people who decide not to acknowledge the fact that so called Palestine was once really a Jewish state long before the Arabs came here.)

Shahed
09-02-2003, 22:00
Wow I missed this thread in a while now. Thanks for the tips Suribachi. I'll be heading to some online stores for those books soon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I wonder still though what the Judeans will be represented like in RTW. Anyone have any official news ?

Shahed
09-02-2003, 22:02
Btw JP I play with some Israelis pretty regularly on the game: America's Army. It's amazing to have Pakistanis (like me) and Israelis on the same team. And we get along just great and kick some major butt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

We actually had a team with 3 Pakistanis, and 2 Israelis. we won like 10 rounds in a row More often though there is less of us.

Rajput
09-03-2003, 20:45
Hi everyone, first post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I didn't want to start a whole new topic for this, but does anyone know if India will be in R:TW? #They were a major power in the ancient world, Mauryan India was arguably the most powerful empire in the world. #I'm Indian BTW.

Just wishful thinking #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Shahed
09-03-2003, 21:29
Namaste Bhai aur Khush am dade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

(you speak Hindi/Urdu I hope #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #)

RTW main Ashoka mumlikat ka ho na mushkil hay. Bay charay CA abhi taak #Romans par hi phasay hain. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Naksha RTW main taakrey ban aasah ho ga, Iran bhi shamil ho ga:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/hgwae_lmap.jpg

Kya pata ho saktha hay kay #Bharat bhi nakshay main ho, officially to koiy lafz nahin hay.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Judean Prince
09-03-2003, 23:07
WTF??? not fair translate it I like the picture though lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif , and btw, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't India and Pakistan in a state of almost war?

Gregoshi
09-04-2003, 04:13
Welcome aboard Rajput. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

India is not European enough to make RTW...but I'm sure with a little work, somebody could make a mod... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

rasoforos
09-04-2003, 06:19
if a prequel to RTW appears with or a bit after Alexander then i suppose we lcould see india as well...

Rajput
09-04-2003, 15:23
OK, I didn't think India would make it in, but I figured I'd ask anyway. #Maybe if they make an Asia:Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

SeljukSinan, Namaste Bhai http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #Actually I speak Bengali, but I was able to understand some of your post, because the languages are similar.


Quote[/b] ]btw, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't India and Pakistan in a state of almost war?

They are now, but they, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and parts of Afghanistan, Burma, and Nepal were once the same country: Bharat. #Bharat ki jai Hehe, a bit of nationalism there... #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Shahed
09-04-2003, 15:31
JAI JAWAN

All that Rajput mentioned (i think nepal managed to stay out of India though) plus Pakistan included, is the India before we were separated like limbs amputated from a body.

We have many similarities and lived together for more than 1,000 years as one people. hence we can easily communicate and understand each other. I have many Indian friends and I, nor they, buy into much of what the politicians say in Pakistan, Bangladesh or in India.

Our traditions tell us otherwise.
Someday we'll shun the yoke around us and realize our true potential.
We are inseperable, in war and peace.

Tum ko Aman ka Salaam Bharati Bhai http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Shahed
09-04-2003, 15:55
Raj

BTW how about if we work on a mod when RTW comes out ?. We could do some research and include new factions and a new strategy map, maybe.

I dunno how mod-able RTW is, but if it is easily modable we could do it

Faction modification for Judeans should be easy enough.

Judean Prince
09-04-2003, 16:33
Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Sep. 04 2003,09:55)]Faction modification for Judeans should be easy enough.
Now you got my attention #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

btw - isn't Pakistan a muslim country?

Shahed
09-04-2003, 17:14
Yeah Pakistan is about 90% Muslim (IIRC), and I am Muslim (not that it makes a difference ?) obviously. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Btw translation for you of previous post:

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Namaste Bhai aur Khush am dade
Hi Bro & Welcome Aboard # # #

(you speak Hindi/Urdu I hope # #)

RTW main Ashoka mumlikat ka ho na mushkil hay. Bay charay CA abhi taak #Romans par hi phasay hain. #
The Ashoka rule in RTW is unlikely. Poor CA is still stuck on the Romans.

Naksha RTW main taakrey ban aasah ho ga, Iran bhi shamil ho ga:
The map will look something like this, but more of Persia will be included.

Kya pata ho saktha hay kay #Bharat bhi nakshay main ho, officially to koiy lafz nahin hay.
Who knows maybe India will be there, but officially not.

other Hindi/Urdu phrases
Jai Jawan
umm can;t translate this...maybe something like GO BRAVE

Tum ko Aman ka Salaam Bharati Bhai
Peace be with you Bharati (Indian) Bro

Hindi/Urdu are quite deep languages so phrases like above sound much simpler in English than in the non translated text. Hope no one took offence, it's so rare to have some South Asians here that I could not resist speaking a South Asian language. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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Mod Options ?

It all depends on how moddable the RTW game is. If it's anything like MTW or better then we'll be able to mod away. If it's possible to make new skins for the models, with ease, we could do many new units It would be cool to do an India mod, but then the textures hmm we'd have to make some new maps for the Indian terrain. #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Judean Prince
09-04-2003, 19:10
Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Sep. 04 2003,11:14)]It all depends on how moddable the RTW game is. If it's anything like MTW or better then we'll be able to mod away.
Are you a modder? have you moded something before?

Rajput
09-04-2003, 20:15
@SeljukSinan

Making a Bharat mod sounds like a great idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'm not much of a modder, but I'll be glad to help with the history and come up w/ units. And depending on how modable RTW is, I'll try to help with that too.


Quote[/b] ]btw - isn't Pakistan a muslim country?

Yes, there are a lot of Muslims in both countries, I think like 150 million in India. I myself am a Hindu, but I'm no fanatic. I have a lot of Muslim and Pakistani friends.


Quote[/b] ]Our traditions tell us otherwise.
Someday we'll shun the yoke around us and realize our true potential.
We are inseperable, in war and peace.

Teek Bolo Bhai http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif If India and Pakistan reunited, they wouldn't have to waste so much money and lives fighting each other. They would easily become an economic powerhouse. That would be a great day indeed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Shahed
09-04-2003, 21:18
Dhanyaybal Dil Khush Kar diya Bhai http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
(Great to meet you err well it translates to approximately that but warmer South Asian greeting)

I am no fanatic, I also believe that we have lost much time, money and blood. We have far more to gain through contact and prosperity for our people than we have through incited slaughter of our people. My grandmother is from India, Uttar Pradesh. Before 1947 we were all calling ourselves Indian. Someday we will finish this divide created between us.

Anyway enough politics . This thread is about RTW
Let's stay on topic. You can msn/email me anytime (see below for contact info) to chat about this stuff.

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Well I have not done any modding, but looking at MTW I can see that it's do-able. It does require a lot of time. I am no computer expert, but I can put in my best effort. As far as the historical research is concerned I'll work with you with great pleasure. I have done some research work before and feel I can contribute significantly. Let's wait for the demo, or even the game. Then we can see what we can do.

Cheers guys.
Salaam (Peace be upon you)


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Shahed
09-04-2003, 21:21
Btw gentlemen please visit The Dungeon (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=SC;c=8) and check out the modding threads, if you are interested.

I also have another idea I think will be cool. COLONIAL TOTAL WAR #Sadly I think it will consume our lives to make that happen. But if we do our India mod and a lot of peeps (inclusing Asians) start playing that, we may have a case for further TW games centered on the Asian continent, incorporating the great empires of the East.

Judean Prince
09-05-2003, 10:47
Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Sep. 04 2003,11:14)]I am Muslim
Seljuk, inta tafhamu arbia?
(hope I got it right... #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif , do you understand Arabic?)

Shahed
09-05-2003, 11:28
Not much. Some words.

Judean Prince
09-05-2003, 11:32
oh, but it isn't your native language...

Shahed
09-05-2003, 11:40
No it's not my native language. There are many ethnic groups in Pakistan but there are almost zero native Pakistanis who are also Arabs. there are more people who are native Pakistanis, of English descent than there are Arabs. The few Arabs that there are, have some ancestory from the UAE. In Pakistan there are about 50+ different languages and dialects. The official language of Pakistan is English and Urdu. Urdu is a kind of synthesis with Sanskrit, Turkish, Arabic, Persian. The end result is the Urdu language. Hence I can understand something of all those languages except Sanskrit (which I can't understand much at all) without ever having studied them in detail.

Hindi, which is one of the main languages of India, is very similar to Urdu. the main difference is that it is more based on Sanskrit (I think). Anyway essentially Urdu is the same as Hindi, except also that Hindi uses more Hindu greetings, words, phrases...whereas Urdu uses more Muslim words e.g Salaam in Urdu, Namaste in Hindi; Dhanyaybal in Hindi, Shukria (comes from shukran) in Urdu.

So it's easy for Indians and Pakistanis to understand each other, since their main languages have a common root, Sanskrit. I can understand Hindi FAR better than Arabic. I can watch an Arabic movie and understand maybe 30% or less, but I can watch an Indian movie and understand 90% or more.

Btw I know the song Nagila hava but I don't know what it means. #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Can you explain ?

Judean Prince
09-05-2003, 12:09
Shukran - Thank you, right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

so that means you are a muslim, but not an Arab, like the Iranians who are persians and not arabs, anyway, the song is actually Hava Nagila, not nagila hava http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif , and it means something like Let's be Happy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

btw - I can imagine the amount of your posts per day to have 3349 posts... lol, I don't think I'll ever reach that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Rajput
09-05-2003, 16:37
You'll reach it before I will #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

This post brings my post count up to a whopping 4 #http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Mount Suribachi
09-05-2003, 18:29
Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Sep. 05 2003,11:40)]The official language of Pakistan is English and Urdu.
So *thats* why all Pakistani cricketers speak such good English http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I always wondered why that was...