The Golden Hord

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

The Golden Hord....

The vast plain of Europe, defended by wallstone and heavily armored knights....

Ogadai, Khan of the Hord knows the invasion has lost momentum. But under his leadership he is confident that the domination of Europe is only a matter of time. He may not see it, but his heir will...

Who will succeed him?

Louis,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

This PBM campaign is going to have some tough rules.... Completly arbitrary.

It's a Mongol Hord, Late, Expert campaign. Yes, we will face gothic and SAP, not to mention Lancers. With Horse Archers. Yes, we will do that AND prevail.

To make it harder, I expect Khans to follow a few additional rules;

- destroy all buildings and improvement in all provinces invaded.
- Only the following provinces can be developped; Volga, Khazar, Kiev, Pereyaslav, Muscowy
- keep can be built in all original MH provinces.

The goal is; Global domination. Global domination is a kind of GA for the Hord http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

That shall make the game challenging enough http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Louis,

[Mount Suribachi]

Does this require a modded version of the game?

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Not really.

I have too much respect for modder to call that a mod.

Basically, to play the Golden Hord all that is require is to change the LATE.TXT file in starpos folder. And Set the Hord as major instead of minor. I recommand creating a new LATE file instead of changing the original.

To make it simpler for people who does not want to change their file and still be Khans, I'll send the save game + a LATEGH.TXT file to be put in startpos. The only difference between LATE.TXT and LATEGH.TXT will be GoldenHord set as major and Hungarians set as minor.

Louis,

[hellenes]

Luis count me in
arxidamos2003@yahoo.gr

what i would suggest that the first one that starts should start as lets say sicilians in high with the -ian command switch on then change to rebels and wait till 1231 when the REAL horde come then just before they make their attack switch to them shift+6 and voila youre plaing as the horde That option IMHO would much more realistic...

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Arguable... Late Golden Horde starts with roughly 40 units... But 1231 Golden Hord will start with 10 times that. Might be a little too easy for conquest. But might also be an interesting / challenging economy to manage...

Got to think about it. Anyone got a thought on that?

Louis,

[Demon of Light]

The Horde arrives in 1231. Why not play it out from there? The economy will be impossible to manage and no unit will be replaced for a LONG time. They have the forces to take the Byzantines, Turks and Russians without breaking a sweat but from there it becomes a little harder. As long as there is a rule in place stating that no unit will be disbanded or sent to certain death, it should be difficult enough.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

OK, I'm going to give it a try starting in 1231...

My main concern is, I 'm going to split those 30 stacks into 15 armies of 2 stacks and knowing how coward the AI is, I may not have to fight at all, hence no loss, hence nothing to replace.
Occupation armies are not going to bother me enough...

But Ok, I'll give a try in 1231 tonight and let you know how it goes. If I'm not in Paris at the death of my king, then we may have a PBM going... If I am, I might tell the story in the Mead Hall http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Louis,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Well, I have tried...

I end up with a 12 stacks hord http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif. I am a little disappointed.

I only played 2 years, but it's going to be pretty long to play; battle are rather big, and I got lot of them.

Will let you know how it goes, but so far it's fun.

Louis,

[Orda Khan]

Hello Louis...
I started a Horde Campaign last night. However mine is an OH campaign...so much nicer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

....Orda

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Ok... Just to let you know how it goes; just fine.

I am clearly not going to conquer Europe in my lifetime. 12 stacks are not enough for that, and I suffer some erosion from fight (and many, many bridge battles... have not fought those kind of battles in a long time, and they can get pretty bloodly, when there is only ONE bridge on the map) and garnisoning (although, I let some provinces rebel occupied).

With no building whatsoever outside of Volga, Khazar, Kiev, Pereyaslav, Muscowy, it's pretty tough to control province; requires more troops; often not worth it.
Still, the economy is doing ok; maintenance cost are not that high (in the 5000+), I don't make a lot of money, but razing province to the ground gives some nice profit. I m stable around 50 / 40 000 fl and I don't see that as challenging.

The real problem is strategic overextension with not that many stacks. I start expending the home provinces, getting better infrastructure there. As money is not a problem right now, I focus on troop producing building.

So DOL and hellenes, thanks for your good suggestion. I think we got a PBM running http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

My successor will be hellenes. Who will succeed him?

Louis

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Hum... a small update;

- bad news; game has crashed, savegame dead.

- good news; I started a new one, cause it's fun Same setting 1231, expert, and this time I got 25+ stacks in 3 provinces. My economy feels the drain I loose 10000 fl + / year

- bad news; I play all battles; that's very very looooong. And I got plenty of battles 1 year is much more than an hour...

Louis,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Quote[/b] ] Oh we have been sorely tested, Huns Huns by the thousand they came, burnt our village, killed our children, stole our goat

And goat there were to steal, and village to burn The great Khan Ogadai had one purpose in mind, and that involved destruction, wars, pillage and complete domination of the land of Europe in his lifetime.

The great armies of the Golden Hord first face army from Russia and Turks. Those were settling in the steppes which were rightly and truly land of the Hord

Ogadai plan to settle there; the land east of the Dniepr, he will protect and developp. The land west of the Dniepr existed only so that the Hord could plunder and loot them. Their petty kings will die, their cities will be burnt, thier land will be devastated.

Oddly enough, few of the ridiculous lord of Europe agree with this plan. Disagreement has a price, to be paid on the battlefield.

After 5 years, the Hord had fought 16 battles (battles are with 1000 or more opponenents... less it's skirmirshes...), all glorious victories, as noone could stand the might of the Hord

a typical example....


http://www.thiep.com/~ffmtw/iB_html/uploads/post-19-13018-MH_Lithuania_1236.jpg




Despite the ever renewed success of Ogadai armies, the people of Europe could not accept its rule and were revolting for overall stupid reasons (taxes, religion, not to mention the dumbest of all, loyalty)....

That was a major problem for Ogadai rules; as it was common practice to destroy to the ground all ennemy territories (ooc; yes it means destroying all existing infrastructure everywhere), there were hardly anything that Ogadai could do to make their life worse.

That thought was very frustrating.

Still, when considering the conquest done in 5 years, Ogadai could be proud, and hopefully, all cities of Europe will be burnt down in his lifetime.


http://www.thiep.com/~ffmtw/iB_html/uploads/post-19-12869-MH_1236.JPG


As far as he was concerned, he was at war with everybody... But technically, only with HRE, Russia, Turkey, Egypt and Hungary. Soon those 'kingdoms' will be crushed and their city burnt...


Louis,

PS; to fight all those battles is extrmely long... 5 years = 5 nights.
And it won't get better; lot of rebellion... And as I destroy castles, etc... no building happyness bonus. + Pagan are disliked... The fun thing is a couple of stacks of whatever popping up from nowhere. Really fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif...
I don't plan to occupy all Europe, that would require too much garnison (because... no building bonus... etc). Eventually, only Rebel and the Hord will remain

[Orda Khan]

Nice going Louis

......Orda

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

ooc;Nice going ... but tough going....

I played 1237 after posting... I had 5 revolts, mainly Russian and Turkish loyalist. It kind of wear my army down http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

I have little alternative, as a basic rule is not building anything in non historic Hord territory; I am wrong religion, and if I don't want to lose momentum, I can't keep huge garnison; I just try to keep loyalty at around 60/80% in province I need to stay overall connected in the whole empire, province I don't need will be ceded back to Rebels. No 'happyness building' is a problem. OTOH burning ennemies territory to the ground provide for some nice income. I have more money than in the beginning using mainly ransom and looting as revenue http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Rebellion; in VI 2.01, I still have 'Mangonel' rebellion... OK, I also got some real tough one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Civil war; When I attack a country it get reduced by 50% pretty fast, not to mention being cut in half -> on 5 ennemies, I saw 2 civil wars (Russia and Turkey). I start to expect it now for HRE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Wedding; oddly enough, despite already having a wife and kids (none of them over 16...), I was asked to marry a French Princess. Despite being wrong religion? And already married?
I said 'YES' to the two wives proposal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. Nice French opportunism; still, I'll burn their city to the ground.

1237; going well in HRE and Hungary, Poland is over. Tougher situation in Turkey and Egypt. Loyalty there is much much lower than in eastern Europe; there is no pagan at all, and maybe there are some other issue (spy? assassin?). Stop momentum more, and Egypt got some nice armies at frontiers...

I'll post again in 1240.


Louis,

[The Wizard]

AS long as there is slaughter I expect the Horde to be happy... :P

[BDC]

Looks cool, I'd be tempted to allow trade and port buildings in the Holy Lands, to represent trade from other ends of the Mongul Empire... Same with Constantinople. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[hellenes]

Louis hows the campaign goin? Is Ogadai still alive?

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I'll limit update to the basic....


http://www.thiep.com/~ffmtw/iB_html/uploads/post-19-73276-MH_1241_and_a_great_joke.JPG


After 10 years of warfare, I am somehow short of my objectives at this point; Egypt, Venice, Flanders.

I have underestimated the strenght of the multiple stacks of loyalist in HRE... I got like 2 / turns for the last 5 years in province with 40% loyalty... Even if I lose 200 guys/ battles after 5 years that's a 1000 and my steppe economy can't make troops that fast yet (but might be soon). And that's HRE only.

Egypt might see some progress fast. Lot of concentration of troops there now, and Turkey seems quiet. One decisive victory, and things will roll from there to Spain.

Ogadai is doing fine... After 10 years of perpetual looting (how do you think I can get 70 000 fl + with no economy?) he became a great builder

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

All cities west of Dniepr reduced to ashes (yes including Constantinople BDC...), but still great builder

Louis,

[hellenes]

Luis ONE SOLUTION USE SPIESThey will bring in line all those who oppose the horde(of course if you consider it cheesy (we dont know yet if its Guda or any other kind of cheese) we can drop the idea... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And as for the looting BTW is there any way to give the mongols the bonus that vikings get for looting?
It would be realistic and would give another feeling to the game...
Just some ideas and luis keep the conquest http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

Hellenes

[The Wizard]

According to the map he's already re-enacted Liegnitz... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Oh believe me I'd like to use spies Lot of them All the time

I don't think Ogadai would be above that

But the qty of spies necessary + the pretty bad infrastructure (I can build spy in 1 province I think, and that's the only province where I can make Steppe Heavy, and that's more urgent.... and there are many years before I can build some in other province...) does not make this solution really possible before a long time. But as soon as possible I'll try to get some.

Louis,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Obviously, I don't have the time to end the current reign.

If anyone wants to play, pm me your email adress, and I'll send it to you so that you can kep the Golden Hord on a rampaging spree

Hellenes, if you are still interested, you are 1st on the list

Yeah

Louis,

PS; no mod required.

[GreasePaintMonkeyBrains]

Ill play
Bigcatdaddyg@aol.com
Regards
GPMB

[The_Emperor]

Put me down for a go... Rampaging across the vast expanse of Europe, burning everything as you go, really sounds like fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

In the name of the Khan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif

[The Wizard]

*Khakhan,

as a member of Europa Barbarorum you must safekeep the historical accuracy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



~Wiz

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Feb. 16 2004,16:47)]*Khakhan,

as a member of Europa Barbarorum you must safekeep the historical accuracy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



~Wiz
Doh Silly me... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

[The Wizard]

J/k http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif



~Wiz

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Ok, GreasePaintMonkeyBrains and The Emperor I'll upload at the org 2 campaign files;

1/ the initial 1232 start, so that you too can have fun rampaging throught Eastern europe. Maybe I shall start a contest on who can get further during Ogadai lifetime...

2/ the 1239 or 1240 save, just before I squashed the main Egyptian force, so that you got a few fun battles to play.

Given the rather drastic rule I played with rebellion management is a big factor. I seriously expect a LOT of problem at Ogadai death (which in a sense is pretty historical).

Up to you to see how you want to handle that; play the khan for the whole reign or play 10 years by 10 years.

If you wait for a new Khan to change players, I guess the first few years will be very interesting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

I strongly recommand you play the battles and no autocalc; autocalc would be the doom of the Golden Hord

Louis,

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

upload done, or do you prefer me to email it to you?

Save game here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/)

Louis,