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DeadRunner
10-05-2003, 01:45
Ok i am real user of cavalary i used 50% of the army slots with them the most funny i know that some day will be my doom.
cavalary is cool and powerfull but can be the dawnfall of you if the enemy rout all our cavalary what you have to fight him and what you will use agaaint is cavalary
this is a topic think like i said i am a cavalary user my self
I personally didnt care for cavalry in Shogun and only had it as a small portion of my army and quite often went into battle with none but in MTW cavalry is a necessity
Griefmaker
10-05-2003, 14:16
Yeah im more on your side here oaty. In Shogun i'd mostly have a couple of yari cav for chasing down the guys who were running away. In MTW I would have a few more cav units mostly hvy horse like tuetonic knights/armenian hvy or some arab camels or something similar but still mostly foot sloggers.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-05-2003, 14:43
Cavalry is real good in shogun, the AI tends to go missile heavy and is no good at protecting them, I always found cavalry to be invaluable.
Eastside Character
10-05-2003, 14:43
I like cavalry too. And I have to say that you can have many of cavlary units in your armies and still win - the only problem are tactics> But there is always a way to defeat that stupid AI.
Cavalry seems to be either a savior or downfall. Like in Shogun, as Eastside mentioned, cavalry are a must for AI pansies who (like Uesugi) build 75% missiles. And by the time I'm in charge of a large portion of the map in STW or MTW I find lots and lots of fast cavalry a must to charge down the routers. I find the key to any cavarly is tatics. Never charge straight on when, in less than 30 secs you can wheel around and flank Humans are definitely harder though. Much.
Nikku
Cav ? Probably need only 3-4 units. Balance the others between spears/swords/missiles. Well, that's my style anyway.
ps: and artiLLerY.. never fOrget tO brinG on the gunS...
DeadRunner
10-07-2003, 12:57
Quote[/b] (LestaT @ Oct. 07 2003,06:49)]ps: and artiLLerY.. never fOrget tO brinG on the gunS...
errrrrrrrrrr in shogun there is no artilerry m8 =(((
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The_Emperor
10-07-2003, 14:09
Cavlry may seem unstoppable on the field but just wait until you take on a Horde of Swiss Armoured Pikemen Ouch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Combined arms tactics are the way to go. I like to bring up two stacks when I fight, one has the main infantry and archers in it, and the other contains Cavalry in most of its forms (Light, Heavy, CavArcher)... then I can redeploy my initial selection depending on what enemy army I face.
I have defeated too many Mongols in the woods to learn the drawbacks of entirely Cavalry armies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I like to use my cavalry tacticly, instead of the mad rush forward. I use a sorted double line, cavalry on the wings. Move them off, so that they are away from my main body on both sides and then advance with infantry. Let the infantry engage the front ranks of the enemy, and let the archers, usually 3, concentrate fire on units in the enemy's second line (don't want any friendly fire). Once the enemy is heavily involved, I bring the two cavalry sections, that were waiting in the wings, onto the enemy flanks.
Forgot one thing. The AI likes to create armies of handgunners in provinces that I have recently conquered and abandoned. If you want lots of prisoners, and at most 3 casualties, charge a mix of 8 Gothic Knights and 8 Late Royal Knights into them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The Wizard
10-07-2003, 14:50
In Shogun I liked a combination of Yari Cav and Heavy Cav to take care of anything but yari samurai/ahigaru..
Didn't care for cav archers tho http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Next to No-Dashi's, Monks and Naginatas I liked Heavy cav the best. (yes, now you see how much I used them in reality http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
DeadRunner
10-07-2003, 15:39
i love cav but what i was try to say that i do not want to become so dependeble from them (some day that can be my downfall)
Devastatin Dave
10-07-2003, 16:40
There is nothing more impressive than seeing over 500 Yari cavalry running across a plain, smashing into the flanks of already engaged troops. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
In STW I use mostly archers, atleast 5 units, 3 units of monks, 2 units of no-dashis, and 6 units of cavalry. I prefer Yari, but have use nagentas lately. (I watched Ran the other night and got the old STW out and haven't played MTW in a few weeks now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ). I like heavy cavalry in flat area, but those areas are far and few on the Japan map. But I enjoy pinning the enemy with a variety of foot troops, volley missle after missle at any unengaged enemy, all the while, manuvering my cavalry around for the final coordinated attack at the flanks or from behind. Oh the horror http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
dave we think alike...
Those Naginata-cav came like sent from heaven. They really fit my style of play. Neither Heavies or Yari cav performed like I wanted them to, but Nags really did it for me. The deadly breakthrough
The Wizard
10-07-2003, 17:30
Hmm... I must get MI... (didn't at the time because.. well, i got STW when taking a subscription to PCZone)
I read on .com that there was a place you could upgrade it for money... anyone? *echo* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Devastatin Dave
10-07-2003, 19:46
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 07 2003,11:30)]Hmm... I must get MI... (didn't at the time because.. well, i got STW when taking a subscription to PCZone)
I read on .com that there was a place you could upgrade it for money... anyone? *echo* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
MI in STW is much more a better expansion package then VI in MTW. The graphical improvements, the units, and the AI is better. Vi was decent, but just didn't give me the hard chubby that MI gave me....
You are right Krax, those Nag cav are the baddest muthas on the field...
Gregoshi
10-07-2003, 20:12
Wizzy, I think you have to go to EA.com and see if you can still order it. Otherwise, just go get Warlords Edition - it is only about $12 US these days. Truly a bargain.
Leet Eriksson
10-07-2003, 23:34
there is a sold out version of warlord edition and its pretty cheap.In Stw i don't use cavalry alot,and when i get monks i tend to have at least 2 of them when i'm in battle they are really good.i don't use No-Dachis alot,they die quickly.MTW is a different story and cavalry are a must,especially for muslims if you really wanna reduce casualties.
lancer63
10-07-2003, 23:40
I never played STW but love what they have done with cav. units in MTW and VI. I use it to flank, lure in or away, envelop, harrass and pursue.
Enemy arty units units know the'll get a visit from my horsies if they're not protected. And ranged cav units are amongst my favorites, specially against slower, heavier cav.
The Wizard
10-08-2003, 15:17
Quote[/b] (daveinkorea @ Oct. 07 2003,13:46)]
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 07 2003,11:30)]Hmm... I must get MI... (didn't at the time because.. well, i got STW when taking a subscription to PCZone)
I read on .com that there was a place you could upgrade it for money... anyone? *echo* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
MI in STW is much more a better expansion package then VI in MTW. The graphical improvements, the units, and the AI is better. Vi was decent, but just didn't give me the hard chubby that MI gave me....
You are right Krax, those Nag cav are the baddest muthas on the field...
Actually I like VI a lot and think it's a very good expansion, especially when compared to milk-the-milky-cow epxansions you see with many games these days... but if MI is what you say it is, then it's probably on par with epansions like TFT to WC3 (
Lord Rom
10-10-2003, 14:18
In multiplayer cav's are a must Especially late in the game when you are trying to run those cowards you just routed off the field before they gather enough courage to regroup and hurt you. Cav's are like australian shepherds rounding up sheep all over the battle field then. Oh and one more thing, in those low rent games the heavy cav scare the pants off those low valor infantry
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Royal Knights, Swabian Swordsmen, and Feudal Sargents will run anybody off the board in Early.
The Wizard
10-10-2003, 15:04
Except Byzantines...
LordChance
10-10-2003, 16:17
As I tend to be Byzantines and always play on the hardest level of difficulty (i guess most on this board must, if there is to be any challange) cavalry is the gift of the gods....
My armies are all probably made up of 75% cavalry (usually 2+ Katapraktoi if i can built them lanciers for the flanks and whatever else i can get my hands on)
The rest is mostly spears and swords to tie the enemy up before i bring the cavalry...however with catholic fractions and muslim you must put more faith in foot troops since its hard to get decent cav early...
Also to mention a great memory 16 troops of boyars led by a 8 ranked expert attacker assaulting about five or six thousand golden horde a complet massacre...i lost about two hundred (auto calculated does strange things)
Marshal Murat
10-11-2003, 03:22
Calvary, i found very little use in STW due to the AI obviuos enjoyment in spearmen, who can kick my cavalrys @$$. In MTW though calvary is eesntial. TH hobilars are good routers early in the game, and can carry thier wieght, The Byzantines, who man, when they have cavalry, they can wipe the field clear. THe Kats, along with Byz Cavalry and Pronial Alligoni or Lancers, these are the elite. Horse Archers pepper the enemy, while the kats pack a puch, along with the flanking power of the Lancers and Pronial ALligoni.
Lancers are better for frontal assault in my opinion.
Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 04:46
I thought it always were better to flanking.
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