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Anti-christ
10-10-2003, 23:14
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif hello, im quite new to the guild, i just wondered what you think would be the best strategy to complete the Novogorodian campain. I think the best strategy would be to use the boyars in the beginning to win some land and money but what should i do when i get to the really hard ones, for example, what to do against the quick and all-powerful horsearchers and the likes of horsearchers in the middle-east? i dont have good enough archers to beat the crap out of them that way so what do i do?

im not a newbie on MTW-V, im just new to the org...

Snowhobbit
10-10-2003, 23:19
Welcome to the org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
If you dont have enough archers i suggest quick cav, like steppecavalry, and chase them down or make a sandwich, with them and some infantry.

Edit: Forgot to answer the question

HopAlongBunny
10-11-2003, 01:21
My strategy is pretty conservative.

I found that the only way to get money was trade; Sweden is a great target http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif After Sweden its just expanding the fleet and tech'ing up your provinces.

Any variety of foot archer will destroy HA's; my preferred tactic is to use Boyars and any mercenary light cav to herd the HA's into my line. Once you pick up a province where you can produce steppe cav the problem is solved http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

btw, what period are you starting in? Middle or Late, Kiev will give you steppe cav almost right away; getting them to Novgorod is another matter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Hobot
10-11-2003, 02:06
Pavise crossbows or arbalests allow you to choose your ground against Mongol and other horse archer types, you can either slowly push them back if attacking, or slaughter them as they come to you with these units, cuz the mongols can't outshoot them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 02:34
I think he's playing early...

mystic brew
10-11-2003, 02:54
Hey, I just spent two days doing various campaigns, and I just decided I love the Novgorodians.

You start pretty secure, and the strategy I mounted was pretty effective. Kiev is your key here. Seize Volchi...wassit and Khazar early doors from there. Because the various rebels provinces aren't coordinated or aggressive, I decided I would 'seal off' the steppes. Then you can pick off the inside provinces at your leisure.

I'd leave Lithuania alons. It's a pretty tough nut to crack. Though Livonia is a great way to train up your generals, all those rebellions

So seize the choke points, and work on those Boyar tactics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Damn I love those troops. Horse archers with clout. pull enemy units out of position then sandwich. a couple of Boyars.

Counters to horse archers? Steepe cavalry, and Pavise arblastiers, in combination with some halbardiers and Boyars is a good combination.

Happy hunting

Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 04:26
Pavise arbs aren't there in early...

Nowake
10-11-2003, 04:29
good point, I wanted so state that myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

Gregoshi
10-11-2003, 06:53
Eh...um...welcome to the Org Anti-Christ - I think. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Is that a self-given name or what your parents call you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Anti-christ
10-11-2003, 14:19
kind of both:) i am playing early, i found that the best strategy was to get steppecavalry, go around and hunt the cavarchers towards my infantry, thanks for all the tips.

i agree, sweden rules:) (im swedish)

mystic brew
10-11-2003, 16:41
I didn't realise you were talking about early. I haven't got a modded game. I play early always, the Russians were the first time I'd played high.

Still, steppe cavalry are great cav archer killers - also regular archers and
Gotta love those Boyars though, eh?

The armour and toughness of knights and the mobility and firepower of horse archers.

I got a jedi general going - clearly the best I've ever had. 9*, skilled risky attacker, last stand, skilled defender, perfect knight (or chivalrous, you know the one), Mighty Warrior
6 units of Boyars ran rampant all over the steepes.

Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 17:26
Now thats a general http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ZeaLitY
10-11-2003, 19:12
As the Russians, I usually try to establish Eastern dominance by trickling down the western side of the Black Sea and going for a few provinces, some which are Byzantine. In Khazar, I'll calculate whether I can receive positive farmland income in the time alotted through improvements (by making up the cost) before the Horde comes. Around 1230, I'll use scorched earth and pull out.

It can also be wise to leave a few cheap provinces available for the Horde, as it usually meets its end once its spread out.

LordChance
10-11-2003, 22:23
A god tactic is to create borders early...skip livonia and lithuania and go for volhy.. kiev and kazharia before byzantines get there or someone else... moldavia is also great but probably you wont get it. (avar nobles mmm...)

Armies of heavy step and especially boyars when well lead can destroy armies several times their own size...clean boyar armies are my absolute favoirt...

Also remember your only way to earn money for really conquest is trade so sweeden, pomeria, prusia and even norway could be valuable... also a two province border with either moldavia and volhy... or volhy and kiev could cut down costs...

Enjoy playing...(cavalry rocks) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anti-christ
10-11-2003, 22:41
i usually dont like all-anythin armies... i like versatility:) my favorite moment is when I sneak up some kataprakthio or the likes of them behind enemy defenses, come charging down a hill and crush all opposition beneath the hooves of my horses... or when i retreat from battle with light infantry when the opponent is on a hill and flank with say, medium infantry, the enemy turns, i charge into his rear with the first infantrygroup... you gotta love tactics:)

Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 23:04
Yeah tactics are great but its quite a nice feeling to throw some naptha in the enemy lines too...

LordChance
10-11-2003, 23:14
Yes tactics are...oki
However Naphta throwers and hashasin as well as artillery in offencive armies are ruined by the fact that they take up a unit slot...

Kataprakoi down hill
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif good memories of such occations...

Snowhobbit
10-11-2003, 23:32
Citera[/b] (LordChance @ Okt. 12 2003,01:14)]Yes tactics are...oki
However Naphta throwers and hashasin as well as artillery in offencive armies are ruined by the fact that they take up a unit slot...

Kataprakoi down hill
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif good memories of such occations...
You have a good point there, there should be more than sixteen slots in each army

HopAlongBunny
10-12-2003, 10:29
Enjoy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Part of the reason I play pretty conservative is you get no money to waste.

In Early, just getting a fleet established costs a fortune; security is a bit of a problem as well-every unit you make drains the treasury and your princes are high upkeep.

I tend to play northern empire til the Horde comes. Sweden, Norway, Finland and eventually Livonia all give nice trade. Lithuania is great too, but I prefer to leave that open as the Hordes gateway OUT of the East.

Once the Horde appears, hopefully they wiil open some opportunities for you. If you're really lucky they will pop in Khazar and Armenia

I think I'm beginning to ramble http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

Great Faction to play; Have fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Anti-christ
10-12-2003, 12:07
Citera[/b] (Snowhobbit @ Okt. 11 2003,17:32)]
Citera[/b] (LordChance @ Okt. 12 2003,01:14)]Yes tactics are...oki
However Naphta throwers and hashasin as well as artillery in offencive armies are ruined by the fact that they take up a unit slot...

Kataprakoi down hill
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif good memories of such occations...
You have a good point there, there should be more than sixteen slots in each army
i agree there should be a number of men instead of 16 slots. it sucks when you have nothing but royal knights or some small-unitsize unit that really rocks but you cant have more than 320 of them becasue theyre too small...

LordChance
10-12-2003, 20:50
I must say there is of course an easy solution I used on royal knights and a few other units...

I changed the unit11.txt and now I had 40 royal knights but Naphta, Artillery and Hashsi...are not custumable...in that way...thought the hashasin now are 30...

This is one thing I really recomend especially for the Muslim fractions since they really need some punch...also the heavy HA the Turks get in late are a little weak without numbers...

HopAlongBunny
10-13-2003, 13:13
Your problems are solved

Only 16 slots perhaps, but fill those slots with Druhzina cav and Boyars, you be ready to rock http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

LordChance
10-13-2003, 13:22
Yes boyars are all powerful...in my oppinon a clear number one cav...but be careful with the Druhzina cav they arnt really worth their cost...

Anti-christ
10-13-2003, 20:46
my opinion is that druzhina cavalry is kind of like naptha throwers, a bit of a wildcard if not used properly