How do I make civil war?

[davidky5]

It is my third time playing the Byzantines, and one thing that occurred to me is that the last name of the emperor is the same Comnenus in Early, High, and Late. (It was Comnenus, Lascaris, and Palaeologus, respectively)

I know that it is just a game, but I still want to add some historic flavor to it. So, I'm planning a Palaeologi rebellion, but this is not easy because all my generals have high loyalty, and if I manage to put some rare low loyalty generals in charge of a stack, they don't rebel even if my emperor is far, far away. They seem to fear the emeperor's super influence.

So, I am asking this question: How do u lower general's loyalty deliberately (giving and taking away titles does not seem to change the original loyalty), how do u lower the influence if one is an Orthodox (can't do failed crusades and jihads), and what actually instigates the civil war?

[Snowhobbit]

I dont know how to change the low loyalty generals, but try to use spies on high loyalty generals, if the spies fail the general will get quite pissed.

[Hetman_Koronny]

*bows*

You can also drop a newbie assasin on your mighty general and that should get him even more pissed (provided that the n00b assasing doesn't somehow succeed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ). Other than that I'm clueless... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

btw: it's funny cause ppl usually come here whining about their provinces revolting and civil wars breaking out. Naturally, therefore, there's a lot of advice on these forums on how to AVOID a civil war. So, I guess this topic makes a good change http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

*bows*

[LordChance]

Yep absolutly a new view of civil war...

I guess revaling secret vices could be something...also give him 10k men in the province where he got the highest command will porbably work while the king sits lone in a outpost...

Creating civil disorder by revolts also losing wars and provinces (thought this might not be any good)

NOt much help but it was what stuck my mind...May disorder tear your rightful king from his throne and let rise the Usurpator...

[A.Saturnus]

You could try repeated failed invasions. In higher difficulty settings, losing battles has a significant effect on your generals` loyalty.

[Jacque Schtrapp]

Using a spy on one of your own generals will result in the general being tried for treason, something that will be obvious about who instigated it. Using an assassin against a general does not mean he will necessarily know where the assassin came from.

First a warning, rebellionsin MTW usually happen with the rebels forces equalling roughly thirty percent of the totalt troops in the kingdom. This means you stand to lose the greater part of your provinces and will likely have to fight for the few provinces you get to keep. This will also make you very vulnerable to your greedy neighbors.

That said, you need to find a high dread high command general and proceed to irritate him with spies. You should also find a way to make your current monarch into a loser. Your best bet is to send him out to fight several battles where he is severely outnumbered and will definitely lose. After running away from a few fights he will have some nasty vices and slowly overall loyalty will begin to drop.

It isn't that easy to cause civil war intentionally, especially with the high command rating inherent to Byzantine emperors. I would suggest looking through your former generals and selecting a former heir as the most likely culprit. Family jealousy and all that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Good luck

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[The_Emperor]

Its a matter of doing everything wrong really.

Strip all your generals of titles, try them for treason, give very disloyal generals very large armies... if you isolate your king on an island and desotry the Port, that should do it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The problem with the Byzantines is that they have very high influence and that in turn makes very loyal generals. it takes a lot to create a civil war in Byzantium

[brent_james]

why cant we all just be peaceful? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Jeebus_Frist]

Quote[/b] (brent_james @ Oct. 13 2003,10:49)]why cant we all just be peaceful? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
I think you might be in the wrong forum. This is Total War you know. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[motorhead]

[quote=The_Emperor,Oct. 13 2003,11:01]
Strip all your generals of titles, try them for treason, give very disloyal generals very large armies... if you isolate your king on an island and desotry the Port, that should do it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif quote]

A word of caution on using the stranded king tactic. Your general's loyalty should already be pretty low, otherwise this will only generate lots of rebellious provinces, but not a civil war. Zero valor spies on 6+ loyalty generals should do a good job of dishing out -loyalty vices.

[Maedhros]

I can't imagine why you would want a rebellion against a secure general.

They are very good when the King becomes week. You get to start over with a strong King.

But if you really want it, put all of your heirs to untimely deaths. Grant your chosen successor command of your best men, and marry him to your daughter.

Leave canon fodder on the frontiers. Then let thy Emperor die an untimely death.

Your chosen one, preferably also a governor of Constantinople will be one of your options. I don't know if other generals with the same name as him will follow him...but would love to find out.

[Maedhros]

oh, and don't forget. When the rebellion comes move fast and decisive. All of your foes will start grabbing for your lands, be prepared to quash the resistance in one or two moves.

It might help to take written notes regarding what general with a basic overview of his troops and province.

when the heirless Emperor is dead and the revolt begins (IF-no rebellion will mean game over) you will only have two options and no detailed information about the two sides. Just summaries.

[Galestrum]

a funny note, I myself have tried to think of ways to make the Byzantines more civil war prone - they seem to me the least likely faction to get them - yet historically they had them quite often - go figure http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Ironside]

I belive they still have low loyalty generals, the problem (in this case) is that they have huge influence, thanks to thier exellent royal line. I've seen a civil war occur for the Byzantines when they had a king with 5 in influence.

[Marshal Murat]

One way to instigate civil war is to kill all your hiers, marry princesses to other generals. Then kill your king. You should have a civil war brewing.

[blacklord]

If you want to make a civil war. Just send away a general whit lots of troops far away from the king. Give him titles and his loyalty will go up. But then Just take away his tittles. Send him to fight and loose. And the sen lots of unfeifull units and mercenaries to him. If the king is week He will Try to make a revolt. You Can also use a old family member for that. They Make royals revolts, more effectives if you are the rebels. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Gregoshi]

Hello blacklord. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Welcome to the Guild forums. BTW, the Guild is a civil board, not a civil war... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Despite what that lame joke may say to you, you are indeed welcomed here at the Org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[davidky5]

yeah, so i guess the problem is with that byz's high influence? any way to cut reduce it? can't do failed crusades or jihads... repeated failed invasion doesn't seem to lower influence