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Herodotus
01-29-2003, 08:31
I have had a great idea. I will start a new game as the English, and play it until the King dies, then I will let someone else play as the second king and so on. I think it will put an extra spin on the game as everyone will behave more like real kings (they want to accomplish everything in there own time). Is anyone keen? If you are leave your name here.

ShadesWolf
01-29-2003, 09:03
Nice Idea m8,

hows about doing a second spin to this....

I am currently about to start a SP campaign Guide for England, and this woul dbe a little bit of added spice for the section. So if you could save the campaign every 10 years then I could do a little section on that also http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

BTW what era are you starting with.........

To get in touch with me - ihusselbee@aol.com

Ryttare
01-29-2003, 09:05
Sounds kewl, PM me about details and how to contact you.

chilling
01-29-2003, 10:13
I'll have a king.

I bet mine doesn't get the crown until he's 70 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Herodotus
01-29-2003, 11:00
If people don't want to post their e-mail adresses here you can send them to Xoxic@Yahoo.com.au instead, first in best dressed.

I was thinking each King should report to his heir on his death bed. So here goes:

[cough], [cough] Son thou hath fought bravely against the heathen French under mine supreme command, continue that fight, regain our lands that the dogs have torn from us. A ceasefire may be in thy interest for the immediate future, but forget not thou brothers death and thou valiant [cough] effort to save his [cough], [cough] body at Normandy. [cough] Revenge.......

So Shades are you going to be the second King? I'll send you the file anyway. Post a corronation speech if you are. Ryttare and chilling you have third and fourth reserved if you like, once again you can send me your email address at Xoxic@Yahoo.com.au

Grothgar
01-29-2003, 11:13
An excellent idea, and without false modesty, one i was going to suggest after my Interactive AAR was finnished. This is another thing that was prevelant on the EU Boards, its called PBEM (Play by Email).

But as for the reports, some kings can live for a long time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif so i think reporting after something major had happened could be how to do it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But good idea, pity i didnt say it first http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Aleborg
01-29-2003, 13:19
Nice for me to be a king when i will be needed.

I promise to make a crusade asap and die also very fast http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Nice idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Alrowan
01-29-2003, 13:50
ill be up for a spot.. after beating the english as france, i tihnk its time i made my mark on the world

ShadesWolf
01-29-2003, 14:49
So the reign of my father has ended, and I am spurned on by the belief that FRANCE is truely mine or will be.

Once again, the people of France will be under the rightful rule of their lord and master the King of England. The whole country will be England, from Brittany to Flanders, from Normandy to Aquitane

The lands of my fathers, the kings of Angevin, with be ours

For God, England and St George........

Alrowan
01-29-2003, 14:57
another thing that would be good if everyone wrote a story of thier reign

Grothgar
01-29-2003, 15:08
Well Alrowan i assumed that writing a story about your reign was a given thing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Or maybe thats because i like writing huge multi paragraph posts. I think its a requirement so you know what has happened http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

Alrowan
01-29-2003, 15:27
well here i a little excerpt from my french history annals..

The third crusade was doomed from the start. King Phillipe II, most pious of kings insistent over all odds would see this crusade get further than ever before, and further it did. In the Year of our Lord 1146 the crusaders set forth across europe. hoping against hopes that the turkish infedels had removed themselves from constanintople, blessed of cities after rome and Jeruselam. The Crusaders made hast to tripoli, where godd was said to have apeared to St Paul at damascus. Upon reaching Constantinople, they found it in posession of thier brothers, the scillians, who after consideration let them through. But alas, upon entering aisia minor the turks set about destroying the crusaders, who did eventually take Tripoli, but were driven back as more infedels scoured the seiging army. The Crusaders were lost
When news reached home of this horrid event, the generals saw the kings incompetence, and Anjou, Toulous, Swabia, Normandy and Friesland all rebelled. The kings influence was low, but his most loyal general sttod by him, and soon all but swabia and friesland were reconquered. The greatest battle of them all would be that of Anjou, where Phillipe's death was most tragic. Vengeful against his lors for rebelling, the king mustered up all who would rally to his aid, and severely outnumbered they took the field. A great battle ensured, and soon much of the enemy routed. But many of the kings men lay slain. Then when the enemy rallied, and chraged at the king, the king took hold an held his ground. He was slain in the following skirmish, and the remainder of his army fell about him, a black day in france indeed.
Prince Jean, who would take the throne after his father was not the most loyal of sons, but when he heard of his fathers death, he mourned for months, then taking up the sword he vowed that the rebels in anjou would decorate his coronation throne, and so he led an army, and won the day. From then King Jean would be known as the Unifier, and the man who looked across the chanel for greater victories.

el_slapper
01-29-2003, 16:54
mmmh, don't give it to me. As a true frog, I'd sabotage it...

But nice idea. I think I'll make one on a french site.

Jacque Schtrapp
01-29-2003, 18:17
Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Jan. 29 2003,09:54)]Er, what happens if a civil war errupts? They don't have this problem in the cross-stitch club. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Hmmm... I would say maybe the next two Kings on the list could meet in multiplayer, both as the english, and fight it out to see who goes next.

ShadesWolf
01-29-2003, 23:21
## THE REIGN OF WILLIAM III (1101 - 1131) ##
King of England and France

In the Year of our lord 1101, ShadeWolf came to the thrown, from hence forth he would be known as William III - King of England.

William was a great warrior and showed no mercy to his enemies. He cut his teeth on the war with France. As a young Prince he won his spurs on the invasion of Flanders.

http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/kingwilliam3.gif http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1101vices.gif


It was a troubled time, his father the great king, had been at war with the old enemy - France, initially the war had gone well, but the years before his death saw the empire reduced the Normandy, the Land of his forefather 'the conqueror' and the new land of Flanders.

Map of the empire as William III comes to the thrown 1101
http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1101map.gif


Flanders was an important province for England, it was a landbrige to the mainland, this would allow fresh troop to floke into europe and defend the empire.......The province of Flanders was a rich land, full of traders. This would bring money to the empire. William set about building trade centres, ports and advanced farmland. The key to any successful campaign was money. Money would allow the young king to recruitment mercenary soldiers, who were far better than the native soldiers that could be trained in the empire.

War and victory was in the blood of this young Norman, to fulfil his desinty William knew he must eliminate the French threat. Once again Aquataine must be under english rule. This is an important location as it in rich in tradable resources......

William could not help but notice, that a number of French provinces were very weakly defended - Brittany, Ille de France, Anjou etc. The French king was located in Aquataine with a large army. Watching the borders with Spain and Aaragon.

William wasted no time in sending emisaries to a number of european powers (inc Spain and aaragon), to request marriages or alliances. He also launched minor invasions into Brittany, Ile De France and champagne.
The idea here was two fold:
- it would put the French on the back foot, and if successful would reduce there income.
- But also to let the French King and the rest of Europe see that he was a power not to be messed with.

By continuing to attack French land, there king would not have enough men to defend his southern or easterm borders, and with any luck they would be invaded by another nation seeing how weak the French position one also.

Phase 1 of the conquest of France was successful. Very little resistance was found in Brittany or Champagne. The French retreated without an arrow being fired. In Ile-de-France, it was a different story. The local duke gathered up his castle militia, with some peasants and a few archers and met the invading English army in the north of the province at a bridge following over a large river. The French army outnumbered the English by at least three to one.

The English army, however, was madeup of spearmen, Longbowmen, from wales and a few horsemen. The English setup a defensive position on the far side of the river. The French believing there superior numbers would win the day, powered over the bridge, in their hundred. Three units of spearmen engaged the enemy at the bridge. The archers took up position on a ridge overlooking the bridge and rained down there arrows on the trapped French army. It became a route.....

http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/firstmajorvictory.gif

The french army ran for there lives, and the English army had won the day. The remaining French retreated to the castles in Paris, being chased by the victorious English. The army setup camp and laid siege to the great city.

The French king shocked by the easy defeat and the loss of income, split his army and simultaneously invaded Brittany and Ile-de-France. The army in Brittany put up a good fight, but being outnumbered, finally retreated to Normandy. The English force in Ile-de-France seeing they were terribly outnumbered also retreated to Normandy. The French king then ordered his reserves in Brittany to re-inforce the garrison in Anjou. Leaving a small garrison in Ile-de-France, he also marched to Anjou.

On seeing the French kingdoms weakness an emissary arrived in the King of England court in London offering an alliance. William instructed that the alliance should be accepted before leaving with a new army to Flanders.

Many mercenary units hearing of the wars between England & France arrived in Normandy at the Inns, hoping to see some action. Williams recruited a number of these, and then with his new armys invaded Brittany, Ile-De-France and Anjou. The king of Aaragon seeing that Toulouse was undefended invaded. The war was short and the French king retreated to Aquataine lossing all four provinces. The Englsih King followed him and laid siege to his last remaining province.

A few year passed, and finally the castle fell, the King of France was exercuted and thus ended the Kingdom of France, from hence forth, The provinces, of France would now be part of England. And William and his child would be crowned King of the Kingdom of England and France.

William quickly set about improving the trade and income in all provinces, and building a great navy to rule the seas. He also managed before his death to conqueror the provinces of Scotland and Ireland and add both of these to his kingdom. It would be a few years, though, until these lands were fully under English Rule.

In the year 1131, he died of illness, while returning to his capital in London.


More info to follows

The king is dead, long live the king

brief desc
TIMELINE
1101 King William III comes to the thrown at the age of 27.
1117 The war with France has ended; there king and all his heirs have been killed. The French Faction is finally removed. You restore your ancestor’s empire
1125 Ireland is added to the empire
1129 Scotland is added to the empire
1131 King WilliamIII dies of illness.

http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1127fewyearsb4death.gif http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1127vices.gif

William died of illness in the year of our Lord 1131. He will be remembers as a powerful leaders, with great influence. He was a great warrior and showed no mercy is conquering France. He achieved his destininy in reuniting the two kingdoms under English rule. He will also be remembered for conquering the barbaric Scots and troublesome Irish.

William was not a warlike monarch, he will also be know as a charismatic leader and a Magnificent builder. He was responsible for turing england into a great trading nation, he set down the foundations for a great navy that would rule the waves and bring trade in from all over the med.

Map of the empire on the death of William III 1131
http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1131map.gif http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1127livingfamily.gif

Herodotus
01-30-2003, 07:41
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif Impressive 30 years Shades. Ryttares Reign is about to begin.

ShadesWolf
01-30-2003, 14:26
The game is GA

But I dont know what level

Ryttare
01-30-2003, 16:20
Rest in Piece Father, u have served ur God and country well. I shall be no less of a man, the world shall be known as England and William the Second and his heirs will always be remembered for their deeds.

Alrowan
01-31-2003, 05:16
wow.... im impressed... what was the game setting? Easy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Ryttare
01-31-2003, 08:34
Im like half through now, and one thing is for sure, The sttings is not on Easy =)

ShadesWolf
01-31-2003, 08:53
So Herodotus where is the story of your reign ?

-- thanks Greg, I am, very trying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Big King Sanctaphrax
01-31-2003, 09:45
Can I be a King at some point, please? I only just found this topic and it sounds like a good laugh. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ryttare
01-31-2003, 17:54
I came to the throne in the year of 1131, england was rich but the military had taken some heavy losses from my father's war with the french.

This is what the kingdom looked like when i came to the throne:
http://www.shadesmtw.com/graphics/1131map.gif

I begun to build up the military force, the finances were doing great and the fleet was very impressive.
Do give my generals osme experience I attacked the north lands thinking it would be an easy victory, norway fell instantly but the sweedes were to strong with their hordes of teutonic knigths. So instead of taking sweden i lay my assault on our former allies, the danes. The battle was quick and painfull for the danes, since they had nothing but cavalry i used spear units. They stood with no real chance and the king was slain by my general, one of the princes.

They year after the fall of denmark, the swedes (rebels) attacked my army of spearmen with their vikings. They were everywhere and my soldiers fleed leaving their general in the heat of battle without no support. Needless to say, the prince was slain trying to defend his father's regions. The routers where chased down and executed, since I did not pay for the release of the cowards that left the prince alone on the battlefield.

Sweden and denmark, held by the rebels, did not fall until the year of 1147 when my boosted northen army where 3 times as many.


The many years which my northern greatest army had faught the vikings, my southern army had been dueling the aragonese. Their units were weak but had the advantage of terrain, they were almost as unbeatable as the swedes, but after sieging the last aragonese castle for years, i finally laid the assault. It was the same year as i regained denamrk (1147) and my soldiers broke through the walls easily, slaying the king on the spot.

By now the kingdom of england was big enough, i were planning on only laying small crusades to the holy land.
But a civil war breaks out in germany and the HRE loses almost half their land. As a wrrior and opportunist, i see my chance to expend to central europe. I advance slowly to the east, destryoing all the armies opposing me. By the year of 1162 i ahve sieged almost all the HRE after killing the rebels and declaring war with the Emperor.

I also sent a crusade to sicily, the city fell in the year of 1156.

I hope my heirs can keep the kingdom intact and perhaps even expand. Remember my name sons.


The kingdom of England after my reign.
http://w1.340.telia.com/~u34019556/inte%20hemsida/1170.gif


So who do i send the save file to?

Jacque Schtrapp
01-31-2003, 18:25
Great idea Herodotus and kudos to Shadeswolf and Ryttare for the entertaining profiles of their respective reign. This provides a neat perspective and gives a quality of realism that is often hard to achieve when playing SP. Long live the King http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Herodotus
01-31-2003, 18:26
The difficulty is Expert, I would not be caught dead playing anything less http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif .

As for the story of my reign, it lasted a short 14 years http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif . I built farming improvements and mines and a port in Wessex, I fought the French with initial outright success, they fought back taking the important province of Aquataine (which was devoid of spearmen and could not be saved in time) and ?Lorraine? (not an important province anyway).

The counter attack came swiftly, my favourite son William the III http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif (along with his brave brother) was sent to lead the attack on Flanders, it was a do or die situation, the English mainland veterans needed command and reinforcements which they were cut off from as long as Flanders was French.

The victory was a sound one, the French were cutt off from retreat and after recieving no ransom they were slaughtered, giving my son a bad name ever more. English veterans and fresh recruits poured toasts to their Great Warrior Prince. The reality however was that the score had merely been evened http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif , France had lost its great investment in Flanders and England, in Aquataine.

I then set about consolidating the small hold that we still held on the mainland by building forts and recruiting spearmen from Wessex. It was then that I died preparing for a fresh invasion still building up the economy all the while. I left a treasury of about 6000 florins a solid economical foundation and an Heir who was respected, feared and married.

chilling
01-31-2003, 20:01
Send the save to me. I'm next on the list. Well done. Looks like a whole empire I have to loose.

chilling@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Alrowan
02-01-2003, 01:45
wow.. looks like spain got the upper hand on the alamohads.. perhaps they may be a thorn in my side when i ascend the throne

Herodotus
02-01-2003, 06:29
Make sure you send the save game files to me at Xoxic@Yahoo.com.au

Ryttare
02-01-2003, 11:15
ok, i have no sent the save files to Herodutus and chilling.

chilling
02-01-2003, 13:02
And it came to pass in the year of our lord 1171. King Richard I came to the throne.

Muneyoshi
02-01-2003, 13:17
Hmm sounds interesting, add me to the list (guess that means im next, eh?). Good idea m8, very good actually http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Ryttare
02-01-2003, 13:54
Muneyoshi as far as i can see, there is 4 people infront of you in the line.

Alrowan
02-01-2003, 13:58
here is the order after chilli

Chilli
Grothgar (i think he signed up)
Aelborg
Alrowan
Simeon Appleton

and so on

Grothgar
02-01-2003, 21:18
Uh i dont rememebr signing up, i expressed regret that i didnt think of this idea first but thats it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif i have my own commitments lol

chilling
02-02-2003, 13:20
Richard rose to be King of England, he was hardly a man know for his womanising, managing to produce a single heir who matures a scant 4 years before his death.

He started on a great program of public works. Farmland throughout the kingdom was improved. Seeing the opportunity to increase his income further his trading fleet was expanded. Trade routes stretched as far as the Easter Mediterranean Seas. The kingdom finally got the protection from enemy agents with the training of our own assassins that protect our boarders. Many assassins from the Italian and HRE factions have had their letters of introduction, shall we say, erased.

Generally many factions are allied to ours with only the Spanish and HRE clinging to the last vestiges of war. Many attempts to gain a ceasefire from the respective kings were made, but to no avail. It was with sadness that we had to sit and watch the Alomhad tide sweep across Greater Spain. Forces were dispatched to our most Southern provinces, lest this tide would sweep us away too. As time turned it came to pass that both the Spanish and HRE Kings were left with only a single province to call a kingdom.

The years rolled quietly by England was acclaimed for its technological advancement and riches beyond compare.

In the year 1190 Peace was shattered.

The Spanish king, seeing his position was impossible agreed peace terms. The very next year he marched upon Aquitaine from Navarre. The king was killed and the Spanish kingdom flew into anarchy. The rebels were quickly persuaded to lay allegiance to the English crown. This brief war caused unrest around Europe, many alliances were broken. In the year 1193 The HRE King, taking advantage of this unrest is tempted into claiming Swabia. This comes at the same time as the Italians staking a claim over Tyrolia. The Italian action was widely coordinated with attacks on shipping in the Mediterranean and the capture of Sicily.

To counter.

The southern Armies of England were sent to middle Italy. Finding it poorly defended Genoa was taken without a fight. It seems the Italians are stretching their resources with their executive action. The HRE king makes a quick exit leaving his army besieging Swabia.


Armies throughout England are poised…


1195 The King dies…


http://www.chilling.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/richardI.JPG

Sending save game to Aelborg and Herodutus If you send me your email addresses.

Alrowan
02-02-2003, 14:20
good to see a more stable period of the game... but peace will always be shattered

Herodotus
02-03-2003, 06:31
Once again my address is Xoxic@Yahoo.com.au
I haven't heard from Aleborg so just send it to Alrowan instead.

barocca
02-03-2003, 09:47
so here is the current list

Alrowan (current King)
Simeon Appleton
Muneyoshi
Barocca barocca_x@hotmail.com

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Muneyoshi
02-03-2003, 12:10
Ah ok, cool. Only 2 more tell Im the King of the World...erhm, England

Efrem Da King
02-03-2003, 12:39
I'll go after that and be the black sheeo in the family and destroy all you've buil. MUhhMaam afdaififhahahahhaha.
eblack@idx.com.au

Alrowan
02-03-2003, 14:51
orps... my email is the_smphill@hotmail.com

02-03-2003, 19:00
First let me say that I like the idea behind this thread. My brother and I did something similar to this where we played as France (expert) and traded control of the game whenever a monarch died.

I ask that no one welcome me to the org. Why? This is not my first time here. My previous log in name was Demon of Light. I have added the (A) to it because I was unable to activate my account the first time I tried. I e-mailed the moderater for Entrance Hall (KukriKhan) and was told to try activating my account again. I did so, failed, and e-mailed the moderater again to advise that I was unsuccessful. I have not heard from Kukri Khan in 4 days. I was furher unsuccessful in activating THIS account so this will likely be my only post. Apologies for spilling my problems on this thread but I have questions to ask about this game and no longer feel like waiting upon KukriKhan's pleasure to resolve this issue (No offense, truly). I keep recieving error messages that claim I left one of the fields incomplete. Please advise.

P.S: before anyone asks, I e-mailed KukriKhan again 5 minutes ago.

barocca
02-03-2003, 21:24
when emailing moderators of any particular forum,
email ALL of them,

we have multiple moderators for a reason, some of us (myself included) have real lives, this may take us away from home (here) for days at a time, by having multiple moderators (and adding more as required) we ensure at least one mod is active on all boards at any given time,
KukriKahn is AWOL in the real world,
please contact Gregoshi or Hosakawa.
:-)

barocca
02-03-2003, 21:29
btw
Guys, when i am finally more than a glint in my daddy's eye and ascend to the throne i will post a small account every day,
it may take me a couple of days to grow old and die,
I promise to rule wisely and well, to expand Englands holdings for my descendants and to shag the daylights out of whichever princess i get married off to and ensure plenty of heirs for England
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

chilling
02-03-2003, 21:30
Mail sent to Alrowan and Herodotus.

Muneyoshi
02-03-2003, 23:23
Do me proud Grandpa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

*waits impatiently for his turn*

Alrowan
02-04-2003, 05:38
arg... i see no email

hope hotmail decides not to stuff up

chilling
02-04-2003, 11:28
oops, forgot to zip it and it's too big.

I'll resend it zipped this time.

Alrowan
02-04-2003, 14:48
got it now

KeePah
02-05-2003, 10:24
This is a very great idea, hope it isnt over yet, sign me up if it still goes on. My mail is keepah@hotmail.com

Btw, I started a new game with the English yesterday and wanted to live in the game a bit so I wrote down all Heirs in a family tree and so on, who they marry with and when they dies, whos childs belongs to whom and so on. =)

Alrowan
02-05-2003, 12:42
well my reign is over... can someone host my image?

ill post my story soon, and who was next?

barocca
02-05-2003, 13:38
Quote[/b] (Alrowan @ Feb. 05 2003,05:42)]well my reign is over... can someone host my image?

ill post my story soon, and who was next?
email me the image, i'll host it.
barocca_x@hotmail.com

Alrowan
02-05-2003, 14:03
Was there ever a king so great?? Never. King Edmund IV of the great English realm was a man who sought to make his mark on history, and that he did. When he asumed the throne in the year of our lord 1195, he was best on all sides by enemies. His forefathers had handed him a realm that was vast, yet backward and un-furnished. The treasury was full, but the lands were empty, and industry low. Another of the problems left to him was the enemies to his east and south. The Holy Roman Empire was a constant thorn in his fathers side, and the Moors in spain crowded on the border, looking for the time to attack. Italy sat in the alps as well, preying on the english warbands.

The first mighty task that Edumnd would do, would make a theme for his kingdom. He relieved the siege of Swabia, and would relieve the siege of his empire. The Holy Roman empire did not last long fater to say the least, but colapsed 3 years later, the Emperors head on a pikestaff. It would serve as warning to those who dared take the king on. Burgundy was the other problem for the young english king. Controlled by the might of italy, it took three proviences to guard the one, so taking a gamble, Edmund sent off his finest generals to dispose og the pesky provience, and emptied the three grarisons.

The victory was swift, and the provience delivered. Now with secure borders, Edmund set up his greatest feat. He began a mighty work across the empire, upgrading taining facilities, and incorperating the use of knights in the realm. Soon great warhosts were raised, and sent south into spain, to keep the alamohads in check. Thus a war of atrition began, each empire sitting and waiting. While this waiting went on, Edmund grew restless, began to raid across the alps, and soon he conquered the prime of Italy... Venice. This was a more than great victory, as it saw the last of italy on his land borders, a great feat indeed. Seeing thier Itallian cousins on the back foot, the scillians, ever eager against thier brothers forged an alliance with England, though only simbolic, it gave the English King much pleasure, as he was not alone in the world.

An uneasy peace settled over the kingdom, but while attempting to forge a new alliance with the poles, he was betrayed, and the polish armies crossed into franconia, and attempted an invasion... folly indeed. So enraged by this hostile action, Edmund, sent off his new armies to set the poles into place, and that he did, conquering thier realm in a short 4 years. Edmund then looked upon his empire and was not satisfied. He needed his own citadel to command from, so set about building a great citadel in Wessex. While this citdel was in construction, word came from the north that the ever wretched scotts had rebbelled. Thinking it only a small task to put down this rabble, Edmund himself led and army of 1000 men at arms vs the clansmen. He thought his steel and armour would win the day, but he was mistaken. His cowardly men ran from the filed leaving Edmund and his bodyguard to face the horde... needless to say, his bodyguards were overcome, and edmund escaped with his life. This forever would leave him scarred, and he plotted his vengance against the scotts in his high tower, overcome with drunkeness.

His plotting soon would be distracted though, as it seemed every enemy king was in alegiance against him, with the treacherous hungars destroying his adriattic fleet. Still fuming from his loss to the scotts, he rained his wrath upon the poor wretches, leaving no enemy soldier alive. Only a year after gaining peace in the east, the west called again, the Alamohads were desperate for all of spain. Edmund with his advisers began to devise a mighty plan, which would see his newly developed Chivalric troops to face the Moorish infidels. Not trusting the church and starting a crusade, Edmund turned to his new weapon... longbows. After a campagin of 10 years, and some of the most fierce battles yet, Edmunds armies marched upon the last Moorish fort in spain at Granada, there he besieged the place, and lay a slughter there that would forver instil fear in the moors.

Later that year, he marched into morroco, and africa, destroying the ast moorish stronghold, and burning the wretched sultan. It was in this year too that an illness fell upon the king. It would be some years to his death, but knowing it wouldcome, he refused to let it take him. He set about one great final task before he died, and that was to deal with the pesky dons. Corsica and Sardinia were taken with ease, then the king personally led an invasion into the Itallian holdings in the Balkans. He was victorous at greece, serbia and everywhere, but on the eve of his final invasion to naples and sciliy, his illness got the better of him, and he died pale and forlorn, leaving the realm to one of his two pathetic sons... each who could never bear as much sway as he, or command such influence.

barocca
02-05-2003, 14:32
The Kingdom upon the tragic death of Alowran aka Edmund IV of England
http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_alowran_map.gif

Alrowan
02-05-2003, 14:33
pic sent and savegame sent to appropriate people

Alrowan
02-05-2003, 14:39
crap.. looks like i didnt leave people much space to conquer anymore.. its nearly done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
anyway, the way i played was act peacefully, swiftly killing those who attack me

Ryttare
02-05-2003, 15:57
Nice job Grand Prince =) What year did you die?

econ21
02-06-2003, 11:45
On his 50th birthday, in the year of our Lord 1231, King Stephen I awoke with a scream. The air lay heavy in his darkened room in the dank Scottish fort. His lover, Lady Marianne, wife of Sir Thomas Courcy, was sleeping fitfully by his side. But there, at the foot of his bed, sat the malevolent shade of his drunken father.

"What? Aren't you dead yet?" cursed the spirit.

King Stephen opened his mouth but no sound came forth, save a strangled squeak like that from a panicked mouse snared in the jaws of a well-fed house cat. Finally, he muttered:

"But I have only been on the throne for three years!"

"Ha! In that time, I had wiped out four factions and conquered Western Europe", his father retorted. This seemed a slight exaggeration, but Stephen inwardly confessed that so far time appeared to crawl slowly in his short reign by comparison to the frenetic pace of life under his father.

"Report!" snarled the spectre of the dead king.

"Well, father, as you can see, I have avenged your defeat. Scotland is ours again." Stephen offered with a mix of hope and surprising bravado. The conversation had a feel of unreality and already the two had slipped back into the ritualised exchanges they had indulged in for nearly half a century. Stephen knew from bitter experience that to fail to stand up to his overbearing father meant only that the boot would be ground more harshly into his face.

"Pah!" dismissed the phantom. "What a son I have bred On his coronation, he seizes Scotland in a glorious victory over a rabble of peasants; only to lose it again the following year in his haste to return to his mistress in London." The blurred, luminous green eyes of the dead king rested on the sleeping Lady Marianne. "I see that you have solved that problem the second time round."

Stephen ignored the jibe, his still dazed mind drifting back to the two Scottish battlefields that had marked his entry onto the world stage. In the first, he had led an army of 1500 men against 1700 Scottish rebels. It was true, as his father had claimed, that the majority of the rebels had been simple folk, untrained or equipped for battle. But they were brave, well-led with no possibility of retreat, seasoned with fierce clansmen and spearheaded by Light Infantry, smuggled into the highlands by his hated enemy, the Italians. (What exactly was light about the well armoured Italian spearman had so far eluded the distinctly non-martial King). The battle had opened with an archery duel, his arbalesters easily besting the shortbows of the few highland archers. Then the Italian light infantry, backed by highlanders, had smashed into his right flank. For a time, his chivalric sergeants had wavered and the Scots launched a general offensive across the battlefield. Despite his reputation as a weak attacker, the new King had moved to the crisis point of the battle, offering what moral support he could and more importantly directing a flanking charge by a band of feudal knights. At the epicentre of the battle, the enemy buckled while elsewhere the Scottish peasants were predictability routed. The only untoward aspect of the battle was the surprise appearance of campfollowers and stragglers from the Scottish baggage train in the rear of the English right flank, who did some violence to Stephen's precious longbowmen before he was alerted to the danger and drove them off. It was a somewhat ignominious start to his career on the battlefield, with the whole engagement costing him the lives of 372 men. The enemy had lost 1085 dead, 535 taken, with Stephen taking some satisfaction in his personal retinue accounting for 133 of the rebels.

But how much more ignominious had been the aftermath of that battle Wishing to appear a merciful king, Stephen had released all the rebel prisoners and hastily departed for London with the bulk of his army, leaving the siege of Edinburgh castle to a contingent under one of his lieutenants.  Despite the defeated Scottish nobility professing complete loyalty to the King, the province once again rose up in rebellion after the main English army left and a second rebel army of 1700 men, stiffen once again by a covert Italian expeditionary force, mustered to renew their uprising.

Stephen had halted his army at Stamford bridge and turned it round to force march back to the Edinburgh just in time to oppose the rebel attempt to lift the siege of the castle. This had been a battle more to Stephen's taste. Although by repute a weak attacker, he had no similar handicap when arraigning his forces in defensive formation on a slope. The composition of his army had been ideally suited to such an engagement. The frontline had consisted of stout chivalric spearmen; the second, arbalesters and longbowmen. In the third line had stood his siege train, hastily constructed and brought in from around Europe (Stephen silently cursed his father for omitting such an essential component of his armies; in the darkened room, the old ghost stirred slightly from the seeming drunken reverie into which it had temporarily sunk.) On the flanks were feudal men-at-arms while the rear had included a band of feudal knights and one of hobilars. The engagement had been a straightforward affair. Crashing boulders and waves of missile fire had dented to the Scottish infantry, but nonetheless they had closed with the English first line and worked considerable violence upon it, the Italian Light Infantry again giving a good account of themselves. It was only when Stephen had launched counterattacks on first the left flank and then the right that the rebels had buckled; a charge of feudal knights into the rear of the enemy again proving decisive. Wary of a repeat of the previous battle's unfortunate episode with Scottish reinforcements, Stephen had been more alert this time and halted his infantry from the pursuit, leaving his horse to run down the fleeing rebels and bring him their captured leader. Deprived of the element of surprise they had enjoyed in the first battle, the rabble of rebels belatedly arriving on the battlefield had made little impression. Demoralised by a lack of leadership, they had fled after enduring only a few volleys of missile fire and were duly cut down by the English horse. Stephen had ended the day having lost 197 souls, but having killed 989 rebels and captured 737. Despairing of ever being relieved, the rebels in Edinburgh had opened the city gates and threw themselves on the mercy of the English king. His patience somewhat stretched, Stephen had once again offered them all a pardon but inwardly vowed that any further rebellions would face swift justice.

In the darkened bedroom, Stephen turned from his thoughts to look back at the pale figure of his dead father. The spectre was sitting, bottle in hand, in an armchair; head drooping onto its shoulder and eyelids closed. God is merciful, mused Stephen, to have at least granted his father the same release after death that he had so sought in life.


[Out of character: more to follow; apologies to my future successor for slow progress in playing, work and domestic duties to blame - I'll be done by Saturday at the latest].

Ryttare
02-06-2003, 12:37
Everyone is writing so good stories that we will be able to make a book out of this =)
Waiting for the next aprt simon.

chilling
02-06-2003, 14:23
I think we should do this again but on game Total Domination game so the later kings have the fun of the final endgame trying to take the last few provinces without causing civil war.

Alrowan
02-06-2003, 14:51
nice story.. i would have spent more time on mine, but i had other pressing factors

i cant wait to hear what my 'weak' son can do next... and oh, ill be looking on, cursing your every victory

econ21
02-06-2003, 19:28
"My lord, King Stephen, leader of the great English Empire, may I introduce to you, Herodotus, learned scribe from Alexandria." proclaimed the herald.

Stephen watched the portly Greek waddle into the Court with bemused affection. Herodotus was famous throughout the West for his worldly travels and outlandish ideas. Some say he taught that life was but a game with a baton being passed from player to player through the generations. Stephen thought it was probably a mistake to grant the curious scholar an audience. He hailed from Egypt, England's main rival for power and undoubtably benefited from the Sultan's patronage. He was even rumoured to be a double agent acting also for the Roman Empire, on account of his Greek blood. But somehow, after the nightmarish apparition of the other night, Stephen felt compelled to give a public account of his first early years. (Herodotus had indicated that the interview would be transmitted throughout the world, although Stephen thought this idea far too fanciful.) Moreover, a conversation was a two-way exchange and Stephen hoped to learn more of the ominous events taking place far in the East.

After the usual formalities and pleasantries, the interview began in earnest.

"I wonder how your majesty found the state of the great English Empire, on his ascension to the throne after his sorely missed father, may he rest in peace?" intoned Herodotus solicitously.

Some chance of the old devil resting in peace, thought Stephen remembering the visitation of the previous night. My father is doomed to wander the earth re-fighting conflicts old and new, he had concluded.

"I saw the Empire was indeed vast and unrivalled in power." offered Stephen.

"But...?" queried the presumptuous Greek.

"But the people were labouring under the cruellest taxes. Not levied by my dear father, may he rest in peace", possible as long as that incorporeal bottle keeps being refilled, chuckled Stephen, "But by his faceless agents - callous calculating machines, automata without care for life or joy, who squeezed the poor until they were at breaking point. I viewed the revolt in Scotland as an omen, a sign that God would punish the Empire and rend it from within unless it turned from greed."

"Most far-sighted and generous of you, your majesty." commented Herodotus. "But surely that left a most inconvenient shortfall in the Royal exchequer?"

Watch it, thought Stephen, this information may be useful for the Greek's backers, whoever they may be:

"My plan is to sponsor merchants to set up business in our coastal territories and to tax their lucrative trades, rather than the peasants working the soil." Stephen replied, but it was true his gold reserves had fallen precipitously from around 50000 florins to nearer 35000 in three short years.

Now he looked sharply at the rotund scholar, his piercing stare trying to communicate directly with the man's supposed sponsors:

"This strategy, of course, depends on the continued goodwill of my friends, the esteemed Egyptian Sultan and the true Roman Emperor. War would be a disaster for all concerned, wrecking all chance of mutual prosperity."

Here Stephen smiled inwardly at the thought of the Egyptian Sultan lauding himself in Constantinople, while the so-called Roman Emperor wandered the steppes of Eastern Europe in a second exile. If it came to war, he would far rather it were the lightly armed Egyptians who were the more powerful, rather than the Romans with their legendary leaders, fearsome kataphractoi and awesome Varangian Guard. The cornerstone of Stephen's diplomacy was to be deterrence - averting war with either the Roman Empire or Egypt in order to allow sufficient trade income to fund the investment needed to develop his vast lands. To that end, he had ordered his long Eastern borders with the Romans to be reinforced and decreed that no trade ship should travel in waters shared by the potentially piratical Egyptians without a precautionary escort.  

"I have no wish to paint the map of Europe red." continued Stephen, before warning: "Although I dare say, it would be well within the capabilities of my successors to do so should they choose. But no, my own rule shall be one of peaceful consolidation."

"Most merciful." Herodotus nodded unctiously, "And wise, from such a legendary warrior." Stephen bristled: by God, this man was insufferable, with his scarcely veiled sarcasm.

"But the Italians, my Lord, they continue to vex you greatly?" Herodotus pursued, recklessly.

It was true, Stephen had not the stomach for his father's ruthless policy of total war. The Pontiff had called Stephen's bluff, threatening him with excommunication unless he desist from his assault on the perfidious Italians. For a moment, Stephen - a man who scarcely pretended to have faith - had considered risking excommunication. For where were the Catholic nations who would heed the Pontiffs calls for crusades to punish the unbeliever? The French? Wiped out by King William III. The Danes and the Aragonese? Now forgotten victims of Edmund III. The Spanish? Gone, at the hands of King Richard. The Germans, Hungarians, Poles and Moors? All hunted down mercilessly by the vengeful King Edmund IV. Stephen shuddered as he considered the remorseless rise of his predecessors and the ruthlessness with which they had wiped out so many royal dynasties. His world somehow seemed emptier and poorer for their passing. Don't lament their passing too much, an inner voice told him, or they too may reappear to haunt you.

For his part, King Stephen had ordered his forces to storm the Italians besieged in Sardinia and Greece. The fortress at Sardinia had fallen at a terrible cost in English lives due to the absence of siege equipment, but the thought of the rebellion in Scotland and similar recurrences elsewhere stayed Stephen's hand from further blows and the prospect of excommunication. Ironically, the Pope had died the year after his excommunication threat - was that my father's doing? Stephen wondered, imagining the reaction of the frail and aged Pontiff to a visitation from the shade of the blasphemous inebriated old English King.

"I wish only to separate our forces, to give time for cooler heads to prevail and peace to be restored." pronounced Stephen serenely, inwardly cursing the Italians for launching warships that had sunk an English fleet even as it departed the Italian territorial waters around Sicily.

"Your majesty is indeed a pious man." chanced Herodotus. Stephen suspected the Greek knew full well the scurrilous rumours that he wished to break from the Church in order to annul both his own marriage to a horse-faced English girl (could not his father have found him an exotic foreign princess?) and the bothersome marriage of his beloved Lady Marianne to Sir Courcy, first cuckold of the English Empire.

"I humbly admit I have ordered churches to be erected in every province." Stephen pronounced. Although a man without a shred of piety, Stephen had been shocked by the absence of churches, even in favoured recruiting grounds, on his accession to power. Would not a man fight more bravely, believing in a glorious reward in an afterlife? For himself, after last night's encounter, Stephen heartily wished the dead remained rotting in the earth. But the prospect of further uprisings such as that in Scotland terrified him. If potential rebels could be assuaged with promises of a better life in the hereafter, he was damn well going to see they were so assuaged. Failing that he was going to recruit a legion of spies to pick out the troublemakers. Perhaps he should start by recruiting Herodotus, he mused, watching the cherubic Greek smiling serenely at him.

But Stephen was growing bored of this conversation and now impatiently turned to the Greek with the matter weighing heavier on his mind than even the awful burden of his father's legacy:

"Tell me, learned scribe, what news from the East?"

It seemed as if a chill wind swept through the old castle, as Herodotus paused to compose his words.

"It is true what they say on the streets, your majesty, a terrible horde has descended on the Roman Empire, devouring all its in path."

Yes, yes, any fool knows that Stephen thought crossly. He had even sent Princess Matilda into the eye of the storm in Khazar. She had not been amused, to escape the knife of a Roman assassin only be sent to observe the tens of thousands of barbarians sweeping over the frontier of Christendom. I wonder if I can marry her off to the fellow leading those chaps? Stephen mused before taking pity on his much put upon sister. He stared, silently at Herodotus, as if to demand: tell me something useful, little man, and justify wasting my time.

Herodotus knew that he had to offer something to warrant this precious interview and so sat up self-importantly:

"Great king, even now, the terrible Khan sleeps in Kiev."

Stephen also sat up, as if having been lashed again by his harsh father. Kiev? That was only one step from his border in the East. His spies had observed the army of the exiled Roman Empire and revealed it to be a sham, composed mainly of a ragbag of conscripted yokels armed with little more than pitchforks. They would not provide an obstacle for the massed heavy cavalry and horse archers of the Great Khan. What was worse, with its recent losses in battle and the squeeze imposed by the loss of tax revenue, the English army now was considerably smaller than when he had inherited it a mere three years ago.

The wind again wailed through the castle and Stephen thought that perhaps he could again hear his father's scornful laugh echoing around the keep.

02-06-2003, 22:41
I was looking through Simon's post (nice piece of writing) when I noticed that he could only identify Ryttare monarch as William III's son. What was your King's name, Ryttare?

barocca
02-07-2003, 22:08
hows goes this campaign??
(i wonder if there will be anything left for me to do when i am king??)

Ryttare
02-07-2003, 23:19
Let it be known that the third kings name was Edmund III

econ21
02-08-2003, 03:28
The chambermaid shuffled into the stuffy marquee. Lady Marianne had told her to get the letters at all costs and the chambermaid had only kept her privileged position at the Royal Court by obeying Lady Marianne in all things.

Even under the cover of the tent, the heat was stifling. No wonder the poor King had seized up and fallen silent so suddenly this eve. Still, she thought that at age 64, King Stephen had no grounds for complaint.

Well, perhaps only one: that he had not had a chance to see his only son grow into honourable manhood. What kind of leader the boy would have made, the chambermaid could not fathom but he must surely surpass the new King, Stephen's brother Henry. Henry was strange, spending his years locked away unmarried in a castle in Toulouse. He was known to engage in animated conversations when no person was around. When questioned, he claimed to be talking to the plants yet there were whispers that he was tormented by the restless spirit of his father, King Edmund IV. But however otherworldly the poor man seemed, it was unlikely that he would act only as Regent and instead was widely expected to reign on until he too left this world.

The chambermaid approached the old King's bed. Despite the suddenness of his death, he lay, eyes closed, oddly calm but sad; like a sombre child who has enjoyed his day but now sees from the darkening skies that it must end.

He had not been a bad sort, the chambermaid mused. Under his reign, taxes had been cut to manageable levels and indeed been ploughed back into the land, rather than fighting pointless wars. Ports throughout the English Empire bustled with the most developed trading network possible, although it was true that there were precious few trading partners left to do business with. Every province had a church and resident priests roomed the highways, passing on the good word from market town to sleepy hamlet. A magnificent builder, a magnificent steward and a trader, they used to call the old King.

The chambermaid spotted the small chest under the King's bed, but as she crouched down, she was startled by the noise of swiftly moving heavy steps. The knight was in the room before she could stand. He eyed her kneeling form suspiciously, but while opening his mouth to utter a challenge or rebuke, he paused. Perhaps the weary warrior recognised that fright on the poor woman's face was lined with duty, not greed. Perhaps he thought the old King unworthy of too much protection in death.

"I wanted to see him." said the knight, "To be sure."

The chambermaid noted the exhaustion on the man's face.

"Sire, were you on the battlefield today?" she inquired.

"Aye" he said, "The desert does not need the setting sun to redden it this eve."

"Was it as bad as they say?" the chambermaid asked, feeling affection for this tired and thoughtful warrior.

"Madam, you have never seen a more noble host as England summoned today. Chivalric sergeants who endured the mass of singing arrows of the infidels and marched on stolidly as the enemy's horses swept in and out, cutting up their formations but never breaking them. Who suffered the axes of those mighty warriors from Abyssinia..."

He raised his head and looked into her eyes:

"They will say the day was won by the charge of the late King and his small escort. Well, I'll not be denying it. I was at his side when we slew the Abyssinians and even took the life of the brave Egyptian general himself. But the price, madam, the price."

The battle of Tunis had been a close run thing. More Englishmen died in the attack than Egyptians. The army had been left exhausted on the field, reduced to half strength. But, by some mercy, the Egyptians had not pressed the battle and none of the many fresh enemy troops available had come to counter-attack. Perhaps it was the death of their general that had broken their spirit. The infidel died well, thought the knight, recalling the lone crescent banner fluttering for what seemed like an eternity amongst a sea of vengeful Englishmen.

The King had chosen to lead the battle himself, despite having delegated earlier defensive engagements in Algeria and the siege of Constantinople to far more able, indeed legendary English commanders. They say he wanted to prove himself to his son; perhaps part of him knew that this battle would be his last opportunity. Well, he had his costly victory and now England had taken the first steps towards finishing this war, begun by reckless Egyptian piracy.

News of the fall of Constantinople had arrived too late to reach the king before he passed away. There was a long road still to travel, but the knight was confident that it was a sure one. Even the Mongol horde, now dominant in the eastern lands beyond the English territories seemed a manageable threat. No doubt they would strike sooner or later, but they had dallied so long and still maintained peaceful relations, the knight felt confident England would rise to their challenge.

For all his passivity and vanity, the dead King had not left a bad inheritance, the knight mused.

"Take the letters." the knight told the chambermaid. "Tell my wife, Lady Marianne, that her secret and the King's dies with him."


[Out of character: save game sent to Herodotus to forward to Muneyoshi; tga screenshot of my realm sent to Barocca to host.]

barocca
02-08-2003, 04:09
Simon, you want to email me state of the kingdom piccy and i'll post it,
barocca_x@hotmail.com
(see alowrans pic for size etc.)

also have you sent the save game to Muneyoshi and Herodotus??

barocca
02-08-2003, 04:10
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ Feb. 07 2003,20:28)][Out of character: save game sent to Herodotus to forward to Muneyoshi; tga screenshot of my realm sent to Barocca to host.]
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great minds think alike, but, then fools seldom differ too..
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barocca
02-08-2003, 04:19
The Kingdom upon the tragic death of Simon Appleton aka King Stephen of England
http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_simon_map.gif

Muneyoshi
02-08-2003, 05:42
Wow, its going along nicely. I just hope im not the one who lets the empire crumble, lol. Anyways, just realized (with help from Simon) that I forgot to leave my email, well here it is yagyumuneyoshi@hotmail.com

Herodotus
02-08-2003, 07:06
Muneyoshi's reign is about to begin

barocca
02-08-2003, 08:01
Herodotus - (1087-1101) == ShadesWolf - William III (1101-1131)
http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_Herotodus.jpg == http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_ShadesWolf.jpg

Ryttare - Edmund III (1131-1171) == chilling - King Richard I (1171-1195)
http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_Ryttare.jpg == http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_Chilling.jpg

Alrowan - King Edmund IV (1195-1228) == Simon A. - King Stephen I (1228-1248)
http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_Alowran.jpg == http://www.totalwar.org/barocca/KOE_SimonAppleton.jpg

barocca
02-09-2003, 00:33
Muneyoshi,
how goes the campaign?

eddie0909
02-09-2003, 02:13
i what to be king http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

barocca
02-09-2003, 04:20
and Muneyoshi,
please make sure i have a couple of assassins lying around, i want to do a little pruning :evil of the family tree and make sure my successor has a vibrant, usefull and young heir to finish the campaign with...
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Demon of Light
02-10-2003, 22:14
To all kings: What is the story with the Livonians? Are those rebels the same group that has been there since the beginning of the game? Has any faction ever fought them?

ShadesWolf
02-10-2003, 23:26
Awesome..........

This will make an excellent story http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

and a great addition to my web site

Muneyoshi
02-11-2003, 02:41
Sorry guys, been sick. Should be able to take over tommorow

Alrowan
02-11-2003, 12:41
oopp.. sorry for leaving the large empire behind http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Ryttare
02-13-2003, 13:01
*bump*

chilling
02-13-2003, 16:17
Why bump, it'll come back to the top when he's finished his go.



Ooops, did I just accidentally bump this topic. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Demon of Light
02-17-2003, 22:16
Herodotus, ShadesWolf, Ryttare, Chilling, Alrowan, and Simon Appleton: Are those Livonian rebels the same ones that existed at the start of the game. Also, did any of you guys continue to play the game yourselves even after you passed the official reigns of power to your successor. It would be interesting to know what alternate realities are in existence.

Kraxis
02-18-2003, 00:05
Interesting point Light.

You could play on as a type of 'What if' for each reign... History unfolding many times over... Ahhhh

Ryttare
02-18-2003, 10:57
Muneyoshi>> stil sick?

chilling
02-18-2003, 13:31
I didn't touch the Livonians. I've still got the game saved where I stopped. I'm going to play it when I've finished my current campaign. Not that I think I'll get anything like the expansion that Alrowan achieved.

Alrowan
02-18-2003, 14:42
lol... the livs are actually tough, theyve got a large stack, and i think no-one really cares abou thier armies at all

Muneyoshi
02-19-2003, 08:37
No not still sick, just been a bit busy + lazy when im not busy. Though I did get in a few turns, and I figure I should be dead soon (In my early 60's if im not mistaken)

Anyways, who am I sending this to when im done?

Siena
02-20-2003, 20:39
here is some wonderful writing in this thread.
very nice.

ShadesWolf
02-21-2003, 07:32
How many players are there left ?

02-21-2003, 21:04
Actually Simon, if the situation persists, you exclusively have the power to skip Muneyoshi. Muneyoshi's monarch is in his early 60's. Can you extrapolate how many turns he has played based on the age of the current king (Henry)when you(Stephen) died? That might give you an idea as to the pace Muneyoshi is playing at. If you still have the saved game file, you can just send it to Barocca.

This should not be interpreted as an attack on Muneyoshi. Being very busy is indeed a very good reason to be doing something other than playing games. If Muneyoshi would indicate that his game is proceeding, the modified coup d'etat I am suggesting becomes unnecessary.

As near as I can tell, the current list of future kings is as follows(based on interest and an actual, listed e-mail to which saved games can be sent):

Muneyoshi (CURRENT???)
Barocca
Efram da King
Keepah

Big King Sanctaphrax and Eddie 0909 indicated they were interested but left no e-mail. The list would be modified if they did so.

P.S: Someone(Cedrik) started a thread titled lets write a story about the ancient times where people are invited to pick up where their predecessor left off and then write your portion of the story (with a successor picking up where you left off) Sound familiar? There are many good writers here (nudging Simon, Alrowan et. al.) who might want to give it a shot.

Muneyoshi
02-21-2003, 21:51
Im actually done now, I just didnt know who to send it to

Demon of Light
02-24-2003, 21:25
Efram da King did volunteer and left his e-mail on this thread. Restrictions on his ability to post would not effect his ability to receive and play the game. Even difficulties posting his reign could be solved if I were to post in his stead after receiving an e-mail from him. The problem arises when one considers whether or not he is still welcome to play by the monarchs that have reigned before him. As it is their game, it would appear to be their call. Here is my tentative solution together with a revised list of monarchs.

Muneyoshi( Unless and until Barocca affirms receipt of the game, Muneyoshi is considered current)

Barocca barocca_x@hotmail.com
Keepah keepah@hotmail.com
Efram da King eblack@idx.com.au
HopAlongBunny lomowjg@telus.net
Doge Enrico II Survivor2k4@aol.com

The tentative solution is to drop Efram down one slot so as to allow the dust to settle on whatever issues the moderators have with Efram and vice versa. If Efram posts here to protest before Barocca has finished his reign, then it can be assumed that the issues have subsided and that he is free to take the throne. Alternatively, he can e-mail me at albertmaldonado@yahoo.com to protest if he is unable to post. This is only a tentative solution at this point. In the abscence of opposition, it will carry full weight and be followed as stated. Any opposing should let themselves be heard.

Ryttare
03-01-2003, 17:55
It sux that people cant respect others. As soon as i got my savegame sent to me i started playing and were done in a few hours...which everyone could have done that.

KeePah
03-03-2003, 09:28
Greetings all, I am sorry I haven't responded earlier. To much RL going on that keeps me busy. It was hotmail.com itself who said the file had virus, no explanation or anything it just said the file had virus.

So how goes the game? What year is it now?

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Alrowan
03-03-2003, 13:55
what has my legacy done

Marco
03-03-2003, 15:04
Great idea guys.

Suggestion, maybe someone can play a really bad one and bring the empire tumbling down- will be a lot more interesting imo.

Demon of Light
03-03-2003, 21:16
KukriKhan: Don't worry about the registration thing. I figured out that the problem exists when I am at home but I experience no difficulties when I am at school.(someday, I'll e-mail Gregoshi and see if that, too, can be fixed) Anyhow, I maintain that you North County folk can't be bothered to help out us South County people http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ( I live in Imperial Beach and go to Southwestern)

I assume that HopAlongBunny has the game at the moment. Most of the rest is a mess. We had four successive people unable to take the game for one reason or another. The list is as follows:

HopAlongBunny (Current??)
Doge Enrico II (Thanks for confirming that you are still in)
All those people who have been skipped go here
KukriKhan jim@jimcee.com

Of the people who have been skipped, Keepah goes first(because he just had an e-mail problem) Barocca second (if we ever see him again) Efram Da King would go down to the bottom if he changes his mind and Muneyoshi...well...we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

Keepah: I'm not really sure where to put you or even if you still want the game. Chime in and let me know.

Dr. Appleton: Did you send the game to HopAlongBunny?(reread your post and his. Answer now known)

Alrowan: You have created the Huge Empire of Unwieldiness. But you did make total domination a realistic goal so hats off to you. That is your legacy in a nutshell. (ok, maybe not very comprehensive but this is a nutshell)

Demon of Light
03-03-2003, 23:53
Excellent Go (or hop) HopAlongBunny

Question for all past Kings: Are there any generals or governers in this game that are particularly notewothy? I for one am curious to know if some 6 star general that Chilling liked ended up at the end of some Eqyptians pike during Dr. Appleton's reign. Or maybe some one's favorite 9 acumen governor become a Very Lazy Alcoholic with a Philosophical Bent.

Demon of Light
03-04-2003, 02:34
OK. Who among the rest of you got Strongbow killed? Did any of you happen to get de Montfort the Elder? I wonder if Miloslav Zakhariev is still in charge of Livonia?

Ryttare
03-04-2003, 17:21
Hehehe chilling. All my strong princes died on the field, i had arranged for my king to do too but he just wouldnt die, he ended up with 10 in valour.

Demon of Light
03-04-2003, 18:57
Alrowan: Get any quality generals killed during your epic expansion?

Herodotus
03-05-2003, 08:39
My reign was also quite dull, going first and all. I suppose I should have thought more carefully about that and given it to someone else to start. But then you never know how it will go I suppose.

Alrowan
03-05-2003, 12:07
not that i can remember.. maybe one or two

HopAlongBunny
03-05-2003, 13:18
Henry I, did ascend the throne in 1248 AD.

With some trepidation and a host of advisors (seen and unseen) did I view what was before me. A wonderful campaign of advanced agriculture and husbandry had been started by my forebearer. Our forces were deployed to provide discomfort to the pagan Horde as well as continue war against the infidel. My only worry was the lack of an adequate minisrty to carry the Word to Infidel and Pagan alike.

The Italians did make war upon us in 1249. Their fleets were sunk and we satisfied ourselves with this small measure of vengance. The Pope was of course displeased, and we did not wish to cause his Holiness further pain.

The agricultural revolution started before my time was continued. The rich fields of Spain and Constantinople were developed; a process which will give us much benefit in the future.

Tunsia fell to our forces in 1251. This has bestowed not only rich lands but tradesmen most skilled in the manufacture of spears. Well and good For our troops needed replenishment, and I suspect the billmen produced here will equal our finest from Mercia for some while.

Just prior to my demise the people of Tuscany did take up the cross. I was amazed by the zeal displayed by these good men and swore that we should march to Antioch To this end were some light troops developed and staged in Tunis, alas that more preparation could not be made.

You may puzzle how this, a recap of my life and times, appears in the present tense. There are some advantages to being strange http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Demon of Light
03-05-2003, 20:56
I echo the call for a screenshot.
Doge Enrico II: Did you get the game? Is it playable?

HopAlongBunny: Keep the game file. As we learned with Simon, it might be necessary. I say that with all respect to Doge Enrico II, who was good enough to confirm his participation in the game a little while ago.

Herodotus: Maybe you should put yourself on the list. You might be interested in seeing how your kingdom worked out. In any event, I'm sure the game doesn't look at all like it did when your king died.

Chilling: You mentioned that you were making progress in the alternate reality version of England. Did you match Alrowan's expansion?

Demon of Light
03-06-2003, 01:17
I'd love to have the game but the two main obstacles to my getting it are an inability to unzip files and an unpatched version of the game. My brother wants the patch but is encountering difficulties with the download. So... unless someone can come to San Diego with their computer so as to allow me to play, I am not an option.

Current list is kinda short so I see where the need exists.

Doge Enrico Survivor2k4@aol.com
KukriKhan jim@jimcee.com

Herodotus
03-06-2003, 07:48
Remember guys this thread is about posting the stories of your reign. I'm not saying I disaprove of idle chatter mind you, I'm just reminding everyone to keep the good stories coming.

chilling
03-06-2003, 16:29
Here's the end of Hopalong's reign

http://www.chilling.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Henry.jpg

KukriKhan
03-10-2003, 00:06
Good job 'Rico. You're next. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

=========================================
Iç seah ðone mann së is göd cyning.
I saw the man - the good king.

Thus spake the elders, bishops, and other honorable men, of my father. God willing, may they speak it of me.

I am Edward III, son of Henry, grandson of Stephan, of the Greater English Empire (GEE). It is the year of our lord 1253, and I have just ascended the throne, after the short but fruitful reign of my father. Although I am but 17 years, I have been groomed for this destiny my entire life, besting many men in jousting tournaments - then drinking them under the table at the victory feasts. My father had not yet arranged my marriage, but the need for heirs is imperative, so I shan't await a pliable foreign princess, but instead select an exotic Tuscan maiden, sure to enhance our lineage.

The world has changed since my grandfather's time: in a distant heathen land called Nippon, nobles called 'Shogun' rule the land, dispossessing their Emporer; the York treaty, delineating the boundary between England and Scotland was signed; John of Halifax, the mathematician, introduced the decimal system just this year; and Henry of Bracton has begun codifying our up-to-now unwritten English laws and tradition, writing:

To rule well a king requires two things, arms and laws, that by them both times
of war and of peace may rightly be ordered. For each stands in need of the other,
that the achievement of arms be conserved [by the laws], the laws themselves
preserved by the support of arms.2 If arms fail against hostile and unsubdued
enemies, then will the realm be without defence; if laws fail, justice will be
extirpated; nor will there be any man to render just judgment.....

Our treasury is healthy, with over 66,000 florins from farming, trade and mining - and a 17.5 thousand florin annual income (you see how I have adopted Sir John's decimal system?). My sisters Elizabeth (23) and Helen (20) languish in Algiers - I must attend their marriages soon.

I see my immediate mission as 3-part:
1) consolidate our holdings, pursuing an alliance with His Holiness Pope Gregory; building churches and town guards where they are lacking; upgrading farming inland, trade along coastlines.
2) put down that Italian apostate Enrico II, by means of my best 3 assassins (of course, I shall feign surprise, deploring the act), and
3) prepare for the conquest of the middle-east, converting the Egyptian heathen, or conquering him when Satan makes him resist - I especially have my eye on the rich trade available in Antioch, Edessa, and Tripoli; we own the seven seas, but I shall insure we are prepared for any naval conflict that threatens our trade routes.

By the grace of God most holy, may I, we, and all England, succeed and prosper. Long live England

Demon of Light
03-10-2003, 00:37
I started a thread the other day looking for prospective monarchs. We got two new heir apparents. The list is now as follows:

KukriKhan - Current King (Emperor) of England
Doge Enrico II Survivor2k4@aol.com
Dramicus dragonsythe@hotmail.com
Shand994 simon@rma.com.au

KukriKhan: I'll e-mail you to take you up on your offer.

Robin of Loxley
03-10-2003, 03:47
I would like to join I would have posted on the main hall thread but i just signed up for the board. my email is ftrain98@earthlink.net

Robin of Loxley
03-10-2003, 04:39
thanks, i just hope i'm not to late to fight the khan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Demon of Light
03-11-2003, 21:16
KukriKhan: Something to keep in mind: William Wallace revolted in 1297(I think). You will likely be the King around this time if you want to see him.

Robin of Loxley
03-12-2003, 00:20
does the game have historical revolts like that?

KukriKhan
03-12-2003, 04:55
Thanks for the tip DoL, if Edward survives that long, he should be thoroughly corrupted by power by that date.

A funny little guy in a brown robe delivered this today; drank all my beer, belched & wandered off singing about merry men:
====================================================
Lords and Ladies, honorable Noblemen, esteemed Clergymen, and citizens of the realm:

This is the year 1256. In the 3 short years since we assumed the throne, much has happened.

His Holiness Pope Gregory consented to an alliance with us. He now beseiges the Italian Enrico in Naples, 'Rico having been distracted by our sadly unsuccessful assassins in 1254 (so our loss was our ally's gain). God willing, Naples should fall in 2 years, causing Sicily (Enrico's only other holding) to fall to the rebels. We plan to bring English leadership and order to Sicily when that happens.

The Mongol savages have remained neutral, no doubt daunted by the massed English troops at their borders. We plan to pursue a policy of containment on that eastern border, expecting probe attacks within a short time. We have dispatched English Catholic clergy to the Mongol borderlands to assist in a future christian uprising against these barbarians, followed by English soldiers and English justice.

The Egyptian Jihad against Constantinople has failed repeatedly, limping back to Trebizond each year a bit weaker in the face of superior English strength. A Trebizond rebel army of superior numbers will engage that Jihad soon, no doubt defeating it and offering another jewel for the English crown.

When we assumed the monarchy, the Egyptians had massed troops at Cyrenicia, Trebizond and Nicea...but had neglected to fortify the center of their unholy empire. To distract those forces, we sent 2 armies to attack the Sultan, subsequently chasing him out of Sinai, Palestine, and Tripoli; meanwhile closing his back door (Antioch). He now sits with 800 men in Syria licking his wounds, while we consolidate our hold on those provinces. God bless the English navy, built up by my forebearers; it allows us to freely deploy our forces where necessary, as well as increasing our treasury (now standing at over 100 thousand florins, with 24,000+ coming in annually).

In a glorious defensive battle, our outnumbered Tunisian garrison soundly defeated the invading Egyptian forces from Cyrenicia, their routing army rebelling against their masters in the end. A survivor of the Almohad dynasty has arisen there this year. We shall contain them, while determining their intentions after defeating the former Egyptian rebels.

The Almohad re-emergence and Egyptain rebellions reminded us of the liklihood of other factions rebelling/re-emerging. To plan for such unfortunate events, we have embarked on a campaign in our homelands and recently conquered lands to increase loyalty to nearer the 150 mark, building up border forts, urban militias and churches there, as well as aiming for agricultural and trade parity among provinces. We hope that any Spanish, French, German, or other surviving factions shall have to re-emerge in rebelling Egyptian provinces only, there to face a hostile Mongol army across their border and muslim insurgents within.

By the grace of God: England forever
==============================================

P.S. Our Gregoshi could pursue a gig on the Tonight Show, non?

Demon of Light
03-14-2003, 22:11
Just a note to all: I started a thread exclusively dedicated to the reigns of the Kings. Don't be afraid to post your reigns here. In fact, I encourage it. I am usually hanging around here so I'll pick up your post from here and drop in the other thread. I just wanted to post the reigns in an uncluttered format.

KukriKhan
03-16-2003, 18:53
Out-of-character Update (to keep this & DoL's other thread alive):

It's 1276. Egyptians are gone. At war with the Mongols, but attriting them, instead of conquering them (gotta leave something for the next King, right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ). Gave up Tuscany, Naples, Venice & Croatia to the Pope - guess he just wants his 'share' of the booty (he invades, I abandon, he sues for peace; rinse, lather, repeat).

Almohads in Cyrenicia, neutral. Russians try to re-spawn in Finland, but fail yearly. Byzies (at war) have Rhodes and Crete - we took Cyprus. Sicilians sit nuetral on Malta, we have Sicily (but I expect the Poper to want that next).

I plan to slow the military buildup of the past 10 years (necessary for the Egyptian campaign) and work more on the alliance/subterfuge tactics.

We have 2 heirs, 2 princesses, 80K florin, 2K annual income, empire-wide loyalty approaching 150.

Here's the mini-map:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/files/empire1276.jpg

Will play until Edward dies, then send the game & write up a final wrap-up. It's been a blast http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Striker
03-16-2003, 20:47
Great news. I've been following this thread avidly and it's good to hear that it's still going.

However with the current lineup... I doubt there's going to be anything left to do for me if I sign up... That is, unless some king were to, oh, perhaps, allow the empire to crumble...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif @ Dramicus

I doubt he'll actually do it, but he might, so what the heck, I'd like to be put on the list. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

striker336@hotmail.com

Demon of Light
03-17-2003, 00:25
Striker: And it gets worse for you. I placed a recruitment thread in the Main Hall and ... well... after Robin of Locksley there is Tigger, Big King Sanctaphrax and Sainika. Don't give up hope yet though. Keep in mind that we could have another Muneyoshi/Barocca/Efrem da King/Keepah string (all were consecutive on the list and none took the game) and that would make you an option again. In any event, I think I might start a new campaign if there is anyone left on the list.

Demon of Light
03-17-2003, 00:28
HopAlongBunny: So is Edward Henry's son or Stephan's? Hell, you might not know if you are assuming that Henry came with that son. How did your alternate reality turn out?

Dr. Appleton: Who is Edwards father? (for God's sake don't say Darth Vader&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Striker
03-17-2003, 00:54
Demon of Light: Guh. Oh well... I posted on the Spanish campaign thread too, and the guy there seems to want to make another game like this. *Shrug* I'll get into some kind of campaign.

Demon of Light
03-17-2003, 01:08
List:
KukriKhan - Current King (Emperor) of England
Doge Enrico II Survivor2k4@aol.com
Dramicus dragonsythe@hotmail.com
Shand994 simon@rma.com.au
Robin of Locksley ftrain98@earthlink.net
Tigger daveymiller01@yahoo.co.uk
Big King Sanctaphrax
Sainika
Striker

KukriKhan
03-19-2003, 16:25
Heh...Thanks Pappy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif May your grandson do us proud

I can't get Homestead to grab my PSP7 images yet, so I'm sending the following without the graphics; I'll catch up the piece when I get my web images uploaded.
=========================================

....Right you are, Wolf. This is Christianne Amanpour, Medieval Network News, with an exclusive interview with the ailing and elderly King Edward the Third of England, de-facto Emporer of Greater Europe, from the British Isles in the west, to Poland in the east, the Spanish subcontinent to the south through the former Egyptian and Byzantine Empires in the eastern Mediterranean.

CA: Your Highness, we are acutely aware of your frail health. We've just watched Bishop Longchamp administer Extreme Unction - the last rites. May we ask some questions of you, to clarify your legacy?

ERIII: *gurgle*

CA: Your Highness?

Bishop Longchamp: His Highness has ordered that I answer in his stead, during this, his hour of extemity.

CA: Very well your Eminence. Firstly, is the royal line secure? Has an heir been designated?

BL: Trusted couriers are speeding now to Good Prince Richard, currently doing the King's bidding in Toulouse.

CA: Will Richard continue the policies and objectives of Edward?

ERIII: *gulp*

BL: Prince Richard has vast experience throughout the realm, having led the successful crusade to Cyrenacia, and put down Mongol incursions in Georgia. He knows our friends, and our enemies...and he has met with most of the provincial governors and generals. He is as beloved by our subjects as Edward himself. We expect that Richard will continue Edward's good work as Defender of the Faith, Guardian of the Realm, and Scourge of the Barbarian.

CA: Where are the trouble spots?

BL: The Mongols are always worrisome, of course, and the re-emergence of the Byzantine royal line in Crimea and Crete bears watching. Likewise, when Edward consented in 1277 (with Papal prodding) to cede Corsica and Sardinia to a long-lost Italian heir of Enrico II, we rejoiced in the opportunity for new trade and good relations. However, the Doge has rebuffed repeated offers of alliance, as have the Sicilians on Malta. We suspect they may yet harbor ancient resentments at the loss of their ancestral lands. We also note with some alarm, the recent rapid increase of Italian military forces and wonder at their intentions. Their utter defeat by Papal forces in 1266 on the Italian mainland may not have totally exorcised their heretical, aggressive ways.

CA: Why DID Edward bow so readily to Pope Gregory's commands and desires?

ERIII: *gasp*

BL: Frankly, having seen the consequences of excommunication (catholic rebellion, faction reemergence, et cetera), Edward decided to accomodate His Holiness's holy desires, and to account for them as England's tithe to Mother Church, and to achieve the sanction of the Almighty in England's endeavors; especially in the Holy Land and apostate orthodox lands of the East. Hence his acquiesence to Pope Gregory's 'request' for Tuscany, then Genoa, then Venice, then Croatia, and his gracious consent to the emergence of the Italians. Such decisions also allowed Edward to concentrate the realm's efforts on building up the agricultural, military, trade, and clerical aspects of his homelands. *Snap* Scribe The economies parchment

CA: Impressive, your Eminence. Edward has come a long way from the gangly, some said 'arrogant drunkard', 17 year old he was at his coronation.

ERIII: *hic*

BL: A long way, indeed. *Snap* Scribe The historical progression maps

CA: Bishop Longchamp, is there anything King Edward would have done differently?

ERIII: *wheeze*

BL: Edward regrets that wars and diplomacy distracted his attention from the Royal Navy, who served so well in his conquest of the Middle East and former Byzantine lands. They were next on his list of modern improvements, right after the consolidation of his armies & their redeployment to the Mongol borderlands.

CA: Anything else?

BL: Had he the time, Edward would have upgraded the forts, castles and other symbols of English power throughout the realm. His soldiers and people have worked hard during his reign, and they deserve the best.

ERIII: *gargle*......MEAD My kingdom for a flagon of MEAD

BL: Perhaps we should end...

CA: ...this interview. We've been speaking to Bishop Longchamp on the demise of Edward III, King of England. Christianne Amanpour, on the front lines in Poland, for MNN. Back to you Wolf.

ERIII: *glug*glug*glug*...ahhhhh...

ERIII: erg.......... *plop*

============================================
Again, you can see where the mini-maps, etc go. I'll plug them in ASAP. ~Kukri

Demon of Light
03-19-2003, 21:22
So... Does that mean that Doge Enrico II will be fighting Doge Enrico II on his campaign as Richard II? (Awaiting Doge Enrico's acknowledgement of receipt.)

KukriKhan
03-20-2003, 05:45
That would have been too cool, yes? Unfortunately, Doge Enrico II, with whom both England & the Papacy were at war when Edward assumed the English throne, was attcked by Pope Urban III in Naples in 1255, then seiged until his death in 1258. So 'our' Doge Enrico II missed his namesake by one generation.

'Rico2's undetected escaped relative Doge Vitale IV, and his son Prince Orso (3***) re-emerged as rebels, then their true selves, in Sardinia & Corsica (with 76K good men) in 1277. England's Edward (me) destroyed everything on those islands except agriculture & ports, to deter his aggression.

I too am eager to hear if the zipped game 'made it'. It was under 1MB, and I worry about his AOL ISP letting it through. I sent it Monday at 10:30 a.m. his time (0730 PST).

Demon of Light
03-20-2003, 20:28
I'm thinking a time limit is an order from now on. I'll say one week to acknowledge receipt and failure results in being bypassed. I propose that if Enrico has not shown up by Monday that the file be sent to Dramicus Tuesday. Any objections? Anyone think this is a bad idea?

Demon of Light
03-20-2003, 23:43
New rule: If Dramicus reduces the size of the Greater English Empire to a handful of under-garrisoned provinces, we'll call his reign a bad dream. Either that or we'll beg Alrowan to return to the throne and re-pacify Europe. (said with all repect to the Destroyer of Worlds http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif ) I was hoping to see you Dramicus. Any chance you can send Doge Enrico II a game? Doesn't matter what game you send; I want to see if Doge Enrico II's difficulties extend to ANYONE who tries to send him a game. If he can receive and play whatever game you send him, then we know that the problem is on Kukri's end.

KukriKhan
03-26-2003, 05:11
I'll let Dramicus (aka Richard II, my illegitimate son) explain; maybe the mini-maps speak:

1256, Edward's 3rd year of reign:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/files/1256.jpg

1299, Edward dies, Richard II (age 43) begins:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/files/1299.jpg

1335, Richard II expires:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/files/1335.jpg

My son, my son...where did I fail? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

===========================
So Shand994 is next...do you have WinZip or WinRar to unzip the 1335 savegame?

Elwe
03-26-2003, 05:40
Well, well.. and you managed that in a mere 36 turns... Impressive http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheer. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

shand994
03-26-2003, 06:37
Sorry people hadnt been following this thread for a while.
i got the email from kukrikhan. Will update shortly

shand994
03-26-2003, 07:27
geez i just saw the screenshots of what im facing, its not looking good, i hope youre not all expecting a miracle from me.

shand994
03-26-2003, 07:43
Will start my reign tonight when i get home from work, will prolly play all the way through tonight so i might have some info for you all tomorrow, I think i can handle, have had many a campaign turn out this way. I may just buy them all back if income allows, depends on the armies at my disposal i suppose.,

Demon of Light
03-26-2003, 20:52
Shand994 Current Ruler
Robin of Locksley ftrain98@earthlink.net
Tigger daveymiller01@yahoo.co.uk
Big King Sanctaphrax robw123uk@yahoo.co.uk
Sainika
Striker

Demon of Light
03-26-2003, 22:50
Shand is going to have to work double time if he wants to make up for half of what you lost. I hardly think that carving his way through all those rebels is the best way to regain all that lost territory. Besides, a few of those provinces are bound to have good generals. When you said you'd crumble the empire I thought we might lose 1/4 or 1/3 of our territory. I didn't figure we'd lose 75%. Richard II will doubtless go down in history as the single worst English monarch in history. (but that's what you were shooting for right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

shand994
03-26-2003, 23:38
OK all i can say, What the F**K were you doing
Yeh i didnt have to worry about buyoing any of them back, after one turn the bank went into negative balance, its now at -1500000, but on the other hand i won back most of germany, france, italy and spain. I think the game might be a lost cause though. as no matter what i did there were that many armies on the map that the treasury just kept going down, even though after tonnes of battles, half the armies were destroyed. UI basically won back eaurope through attrition. my reign lasted from 1335 to 1350 before the I was killed in battle, upon my death the empire was plunged into civil war. I think the next person will have a hell of a bad time. The only thing on your side is that most of your enemies are peasant rebel armies, or low tech ones.
Who do i mail it to next. Will have screenshots for you all tomorrow, forgot to bruing them today.

Demon of Light
03-27-2003, 00:01
Damn... I don't know if it is better to let this continue as is or stop the progress and have Shand994 play Richard II's reign over. At 1.5 million florins of debt, I doubt anyone will be able to build anything for the rest of the game.

Dramicus: Making the game more interesting was certainly acceptable. Driving a wrecking ball through the game was not. If the game was left unplayable and it was intentional(your posts indicate it was at least your intent to weaken the English) then I'd suggest we use the Bad Dream clause I mentioned earlier. For the record, I'm inclined to believe you really did think the game was playable and that you overlooked the fiscal drain involved in leaving a huge army around after you destoyed the infrastructure supporting it. I guess Shand is in the best position to know (unless you or Kukri played the game to a happier conclusion)so...

Shand994: Did the game in the form you recieved it represent an unwinnable situation?

shand994
03-27-2003, 00:18
Demon

In my opinion, the game was unmanageable, I didnt build a single thing the whole time i played, true i won back a lot of provinces, but to me it was pointless as all i was doing was placing that many armies in each provinve the enemy just retreated and i waited until the castle fell to my troops. basically even though England had the highest income, i was still losing upwards of 20000 a turn, there was very little i could do. I suppose i could have disbanded all the armies that had been created, but i didnt feel like sitting there for an hour and going through that process. In my opinion, while what Dramicus did was funny to begin with and may have been fun and unintentional, he has pretty much made the game a lost cause, I dont think anyone could bring the game back from where it is without Spending a hell of a lot of time rescuing it. To me i dont see the point in playing the game when its at the stage its at, theres no enjoyment to it.

This is my opinion.

shand994
03-27-2003, 00:42
Look, what you did was stupid, and i think we should go back and redo your reign. I have a screenshot of what you did but im not gonna put it up .The fact that you keep carrying about wanting everyone to see how stupid you were prove that you must be all of 12 years old.

shand994
03-27-2003, 01:52
I agree. I think a more challenging faction would be good too, Poland maybe, Ive had some very entertaining campaign as the polish. Id like to be in the list of kings for the new campaign too so we'll await the new thread. Maybe a vote for the new factions would be feasible

Dramicus
03-27-2003, 02:21
Quote[/b] (shand994 @ Mar. 26 2003,17:42)]Look, what you did was stupid, and i think we should go back and redo your reign. I have a screenshot of what you did but im not gonna put it up .The fact that you keep carrying about wanting everyone to see how stupid you were prove that you must be all of 12 years old.
well, I thought it was a little amusing to see that many forces in such a little space, but since you have taken it to heart as an insult to your intelligence I apoligize if I may have hurt your fragile emotions and also suggest that since you may have been hurt by such an insignificant thing that instead you may ask for the save of after khan's rule which is barren of any childish modifications which may offend you. Because you feel the need to take something such as this so seriously and resort to insults after joining in so late in the game and having nothing wrong said or done to you then it would appear that you may be not much older then twelve either. Now that we are on equal terms I promise to never again hamper wonderfully superior experience of such an immensely important and non-recoverable game such as this and humbly bow to your obviously apparent superiority and will now depart and enjoy my stupid and child-like distractions...

Kongamato
03-27-2003, 02:54
If you wish to start another campaign, let me suggest that you start in the Late period, so it can be wrapped up before VI comes out.

When VI rolls around, we can have a combination King of England/AAR game with a massive level of participation. I've made this point before, but with the new Save Between Battles option, we can have our empire's generals correspond to actual players. We can pass the game from general to general, developing vices and virtues amongst them, facilitating the need for the current king to award titles or carry out assassinations. Royal lineage can also play a part in this, as potential Kings can be screened by their performance as a general under the present King. Many, many great AAR options can be envisioned with VI. I can list them in a brainstorming thread later, but for now I just suggest that you do a Late campaign so we can start right away when VI begins.

Alrowan
03-27-2003, 03:10
that was dumb

shand994
03-27-2003, 03:34
What was Dumb??

My thread, maybe i was a bit harsh but i was pretty pissed about havin to waste my time on it. anyways its in the past.
I dont mind going back and doing another reign.

shand994
03-27-2003, 04:09
Yes this is true,

This is the last im gonna say on the matter.

If someone decides they're gonna start it over again, ill be in it. If not.............

shand994
03-27-2003, 04:15
Well I will take the plunge, tonight i will start a campaign, and when I die, I will pass it on to you, nice and early for ya so you wont have much to lose.

Which faction would you like, my fav's are poland, or byz. do you have a preferance

shand994
03-27-2003, 07:33
Yeh either way i dont mind, whos to say we cvant have a few going at once, after all only one person can reign at one given time.
Im happy to do over the last reign before Dramicus
the only reason i suggested not to go on from my reign, as to me it seemed like to much trouble to clean, up, as Kukri pointed out all it needed was someone with more patience than me. so yeh im still in for this one, but will continue with the poland one as well, if people wanna do both they can, if they only wanna do one they can, if they dont wanna do any, they dont have.....

Alrowan
03-27-2003, 15:48
interseting force...

Demon of Light
03-27-2003, 19:47
I concur Dr. Appleton. One of the main reasons I dedicated a separate thread to the reigns was that they were becoming fewer and further between. That, combined with the clutter that exists here, meant that people just couldn't come to this thread an get what they wanted. Issues involving inability to play the game also set the timing and rhythm off tremendously. What little momentum was left died with Dramicus. The sight of England reduced to that extent was hugely demoralizing.

Kukri: I've already dropped Dramicus' picture in a different thread. Can you delete the pictures that exist here? I REALLY don't want to look at them anymore.

Dramicus
03-28-2003, 19:49
Quote[/b] (HopAlongBunny @ Mar. 28 2003,09:44)]I apologize for thinking the story might be a good one.
oh comon now, I was only asking in a playful manner, I just happened to be supprised that there was actually someone who saw it the same way I did, considering how the overall response was...

I did not indend any insult on your part, was just alittle taken back by your support... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Demon of Light
04-08-2003, 18:34
Shand and I were communicating via pm and e-mail to see what could be done for the game(he has it). Kinda thought I should spare this thread undo hardship by dropping more administrative stuff on it. Also, I thought it would be nice if the next thing people saw was a write up instead of So Shand... how's England? Anyhow, Shand got too busy to handle the game and told me yesterday. I've been doing my e-mail thing trying make things move to no avail.
I wanted to have Shand e-mail the game to Robin of Loxley but my optimism fades when I note Robin hasn't budged from three posts in a while. Shand hasn't replied(probably busy). So Kukri, after taking the game for 47 turns, passing it to Dramicus, passing it to Shand, playing Dramicus' game out successfully, killing the thread, reinstating the thread and asking about its welfare, (lots of stuff huh?) could you send the game to Robin yourself? Seems we have you very involved here but there doesn't seem to by any accounting for fate.

P.S: Thanks to all who cut the size down from 12 pages to 8 pages. People I'd like to see delete posts: Gregoshi, Doge EnricoII, Shand994. Same guidelines.

P.S.S: Kukri: my brother came back from Chattanooga yesterday and he tested the patch. It works fine. Thanks again. Winzip remains uninstalled because my understanding is that there is a free trial thing involved. my experience with this is that it only remains for a limited amount of time(30 days or so). When I do a Byz game like this, I'll need it but I don't dare take it out now as I would lose precious time with the Winzip program.

shand994
04-09-2003, 00:10
I emailed the game to Robin of Loxley yesterday, I asked him to let me know if he got it, but i havent heard anything from him. So let me know what you want me to do with it

HopAlongBunny
04-09-2003, 15:52
Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ April 08 2003,12:34)]I'll need it but I don't dare take it out now as I would lose precious time with the Winzip program.
I wouldn't worry too much about the number of days. If it expires, download it again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

lonewolf371
04-11-2003, 23:17
Here we have high taxation, low pay, a poor and deteriorating army, a barbarian invasion forcing other barbarians into us aka fall of the Western Roman Empire all combined into one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I don't know about you guys but I think this is pretty funny, placing so much value into a simple game at the expense of not being nice, well, isn't nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . Honestly, it's just a game even if we HAD recreated the fall of the Roman Empire just 800 years after it has already happened

Mount Suribachi
05-02-2003, 20:13
Is this still going? Or did you guys give it up as a bad job? I've been really enjoying it. If no-one else is playing it, I'd be happy to carry on at the point before the empire got wrecked - I've been on a 6 month MTW break, so I may take the English empire a step backwards thru sheer rustiness, rather than deliberatley wrecking it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif think of me as an educated prince who's spent his time playing with a black box shaped like an X rather than practicing generalship http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Demon of Light
05-02-2003, 20:38
This is still technically going on. Tigger got the game a while back ago and maintains he will play it. For myself, no longer have the inclination to chase anyone down to finish this anymore so Tigger pretty much runs the show. He will be playing with the specific intent to finish the game out but he may fall short by a province or five.

The list can be considered mostly obsolete now as it has been so long since anyone made any forward progress( lots of BACKWARDS movement though). Also, I would question the value of these lists anyways given that so many people end up bailing for whatever reason. Muneyoshi started the trend and there was a run of bad luck after that. Efrem da King was banned from the forum at that time and declined to take the game. We couldn't even count on the website administrator (Barocca) as he was on hiatus doing other things. We didn't know that though so we spent time trying to get a response from him. Keepah passed because of e-mail complications so the game went to HopAlongBunny. Unfortunately, he only had the game for 4 turns before his monarch died. Doge Enrico II had e-mail problems and so the story goes. Too many variables involved in lists for me to ever think they will work correctly. Add Dramicus to the mix with the sh*tstorm he created and you end up with something that is more trouble than it is worth.

Anyways,I haven't heard from Tigger in a while so if you think you can play a reign quickly, you can contact Tigger and see if he will give you the game.

HopAlongBunny
05-03-2003, 06:40
Still have a save if you can't find anything more recent

(I'm a horrible pack-rat...with everything it seems)

Gregoshi
05-13-2003, 04:54
GoldenKnightX2 posts:

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sprucemoose
05-15-2003, 13:23
is anyone thinking of doing another one of these games,if so i will be up for it.
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Demon of Light
05-15-2003, 15:41
How would you like to finish this one? Tigger dropped out and no one else seems to want it.

sprucemoose
05-15-2003, 16:14
i accept the challenge,my email is redbarony88@hotmail.com

do u want me to play to the end??

Demon of Light
05-15-2003, 16:24
Play to the end of the King's reign. If you can finish it, please do but I wouldn't be surprised if Richard II's health fails before then. As for the game itself, I have to contact someone who has the game as I myself do not have it. I'll have someone e-mail the game to you. (hopefully, you won't receive the game more than once)

KukriKhan: Still have the game? can you ship it out to sprucemoose?

So as to ensure I get your attention, I will now use profanity as I know that you'll be editing it within 5 seconds of my posting it: Sh**

[i]Editor just found this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Demon of Light
05-16-2003, 18:19
I do this with the utmost respect for KukriKhan, Gregoshi, and MonkeyMan: Shit squared.

I got an e-mail from shand994 where he sent me the game AFTER Dramicus. I'm looking for the version that precedes Dramicus. Kukri or Dramicus: do either of you have the game starting in 1299 with Richard II?

The_Emperor
05-16-2003, 18:32
Sounds like your kings are having a right ole time playing for the reign of only 1 king... I'll have to do that with a few mates of mine.

sprucemoose
05-21-2003, 10:15
hopefully i should get a copy of the save file and will start playing tonight,ill keep ya posted.

da moose

Demon of Light
05-21-2003, 10:21
Spucemoose: you have mail. How is this for a fast response?

squippy
05-21-2003, 10:51
quick question while thinking about these games and MP and so forth.

Are people finding it hard to get up to speed with a developed game?

Is it unsatisfying to be more or less blind to what has gone before?

I'm wondering if some of the droputs might be related to these sorts of issues.

sprucemoose
05-21-2003, 13:13
i have mail,jus gonna install ready for tonight.

fanks
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KukriKhan
05-21-2003, 13:27
Oh boy; well, now you have 2 copies LoL (I just sent you 1 as well). Good hunting Richard II

Aleborg
05-21-2003, 13:49
I would really like to take part in some of that wanna be king...

Just wondering, i suppose u all have english version, so, if u send to me the save game, as i have spanish version, will the game work?


Ale

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Demon of Light
05-21-2003, 17:09
aleborg: drop your e-mail and I'll send you a game. That should tell you what you want to know.

Aleborg
05-21-2003, 19:15
Thx demon.

Wolfaleborg@yahoo.es

Demon of Light
05-21-2003, 19:43
You have mail

sprucemoose
05-21-2003, 22:28
right peeps here goes

1299 king Richard II age 43 claims the crown of England,he calls all his advisors to his base at tolouse.he instructs them to set about completing the great farms that have been built by his fore fathers while in structing his generals to gather their forces on the borders.
Still allied to the Pope and neutral with Italy Scicily and the remenants of the Bzant empire England is at war with the Horde.
While his forces are being musterd,Richard instructs his close friend Lord Plantagenet(8*) of Ireland to land his troops on rebel held Finland thus giving a vital toe hold into Russia.
On the day of the attack it was a fine day Lord P could smell victory,his elite army backed up by Welsh archers and two units of the royal house should surfice against an ill equip militia.
on the battle field as to two armies met the English numbered 2300 and the Fins 1800,so battle began with volleys from the longbowmen the knight set to the left and spear and sword along the line,but Lord P had underestimated the cunning Fins as the used there local knowledge of the land to surprise the English by sweeping through a small wood to the right.Seeing this units of chiv sergents were dispatched to keep them in check while the knight decided to charge into the oncoming foe.
the enemy line broke and everybody gave chase,only for them to rally and be hit once more by a volley of arrows followed by an unstoppable charge.The enemy fled the field the English victorious.1220 killed 449 captured for on 65 lost.Mercy was the order of the day as the capture were released.

other news of this year

Great news a son was born

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Demon of Light
05-22-2003, 00:35
Excellent

We are pleased to hear of the English victory in Finland and most especially are we pleased by the birth of our future king. Long may he live and long may his father, Richard II, reign.

P.S: Is the son's name Henry?

squippy
05-22-2003, 16:38
I'm up for it if places need filling.

sprucemoose
05-22-2003, 21:52
The son is called henry

sprucemoose
05-23-2003, 14:09
The end has come
1299 king Richard II age 43 claims the crown of England, while based in toulose,finish off the great farming and merchants of my fore fathers.still allied to the pope and neutral with bzant,scillians and italy,at war with the horde.187k in the bank and income of 1500 florins,set about moving all spare troops to the front line,attack rebel held Finland with lord Plantagenet 8*2278 troops verses 1792 rebel fins was a fine day on the coast of Finland as the English fleet landed, firstly lord p manovered his troops and let loose volley after volley of arrows from the fabled welsh longbowmen,the sneaky fins had flanked the bow men to the right, so chiv sergeants where dispatched while all the heavy horse where set in position for a lethal charge to the enemies left, the enemy broke before the knight had chance to reap havok,269 captured the enemy rallied, only to be broken by a fierce charge by the royal knights,1220 killed 449 captured 65 lost. We show mercy and allow the poor peasants to return to there homes. Denmark hit by floods, great news a son is born but the king is force to marry a local aristocrats daughter, homelands goal is now complete, rebels still hold hame castle in Finland, lord p dispatches riders to the king to reqs field artillery from the king’s arsenal, or does Richard 2 tell him to starve them

1300 king Richard produces a son prince Henry, Richard take the long journey to Bulgaria where his best army is gathering.siege begins in Finland

1301 emissary sets off to try for alliance with bezant

1302 popes’ spy caught and Finland castle about to fall
the king launches an assault on wallachia,while the northern Europe army attacks Prussia
The horde retreat without fight from Prussia and the king forces the retreat at Wallachia, Finland castle falls.

1303 emissary arrives in the Crimea with hopes of forging an alliance with bzant.
Novgorod invaded by lord p, and the horde succumb without fight, the byzant king would not grant our ambassador an audience

1304 the king orders blondel de nesle(3*) to the Crimea to reqs alliance with bzan

1305 Prussia falls to the northern army Walachia falls to the king’s army

1306 the king coordinate an attack on Moldavia and volhynia
Both fall without a battle, lord P req artillery to end Novgorod siege. Great farming project now complete.102720 in the coffers with 11800 florins per year.

1307 Mongol king in Kiev with large army, this could be the battle to decide the eastern frontier.
Khazar invade, khazar falls, and Prince Alfred come of age and is by his father’s side.

1308 Moldavia and Volhynia falls

1309 the northern army marches on Lithuania, and lay siege.

1310 rebels attack along the hordes countrys, siege equipment arrives in Novgorod.
Attack of Novgorod castle the siege end quickly,Khazar also falls.

1311 Volga Bulgaria and Muscovy invaded
Muscovy win with heavy losses Lord Longchamp lay dead alongside 696 of his comrades, the Mongol general dead with all of his men 161.a victory but a costly one.
The rebels in Volda turn and run at the site of the grand army approaching.
Lithuania castle falls.

1312 alliance proposed to Byzantine,the people of Novgorod launch an attack on newly conquered Muscovy,but turn and flee.

1313 king of the Byzantines refuses the hand of peace, with profit of 16500 a turn; the king indulges in hiring a private mercenary army to do his bidding. The king also instructs his advisers to hire assassins.

1314 the king arrives in khazar to conduct his on attack on Ryazan.

1315 Volga Bulgaria falls to English troops. England now has six heirs with Henry coming of age, the king instructs him to join him on the frontline to blood him in battle.

1316, rebellion in Bohimia, Silesia, both garrisons instructed to retreat to the castles.

1317 widespread rebellion, the king sets sail for Scotland. The king’s army of 1943 face 2560 Scots
The Scots will not defy there English masters with 1378 killed and 495 capture to only 578 lost, the king executed all remaining rebels. The kings unit killed 223 and captured 148.

1317 the king of England dies of illness.
Henry age 19 take the throne.

can someone host my pictures and who do i send it to next??

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KukriKhan
05-23-2003, 14:43
jim@jimcee.com for picture hosting

Great write-up

Squippy volunteered for next, I believe.

HopAlongBunny
05-23-2003, 15:18
It's alive

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Demon of Light
05-23-2003, 23:27
Squippy hasn't provided an e-mail that I can see. send the game to totalwardynasticgames@yahoo.com


I set up this account a few minutes ago. If squippy shows up, I'll e-mail the password over to him.

KukriKhan
05-24-2003, 01:39
got email from squippy while I was at the day-job. He has a problem getting back into the Org. We're working on that.

But he is prepared to receive the game.

RisingSun
05-24-2003, 21:56
Well, with Squippy probably finishing it up, I think we should start a new one, still wth th English,as the Polish one is underway. We sould stat nw thread about it, to eliminae the clutter. If you uys choose to start a new game with the English, I request to be the 4th king, since tats where the fun is. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

sprucemoose
05-25-2003, 20:35
im having troble with my email,so i will post my pics on my website.

i will try to mail the savegame

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Demon of Light
05-26-2003, 01:23
I have received the game from Sprucemoose on the totalwardynasticgames account. I am curious to know if Squippy already received a copy. I also have never seen a file end with .ace Is that significant? King_Henrys_rule_1318.ace

KukriKhan
05-26-2003, 03:15
I couldn't find a referent for .ace here:
http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html

It's probably benign, but we should always scan unknown file extensions with a good AV program first. Keeps friends: friends, yanno?

RisingSun
05-26-2003, 06:43
I'm curious... exactly how DO you mail a savegame file?

Herodotus
05-26-2003, 07:32
Zip it with winzip and then attach it to an email.

Al Shama'ar
05-26-2003, 12:13
Quote[/b] ]I also have never seen a file end with .ace Is that significant? King_Henrys_rule_1318.ace

hi there

it'a a compressed file. Look for and download WINACE.

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Al Shama'ar

KukriKhan
05-26-2003, 12:37
Whew Gracias, Al Shama'ar. Looks like it's a legit proggy, Demon of Light:
http://www.winace.com/main.html
Opening the file will probably fire up your WinZip program. If not, email it to me & I'll convert it.

Al Shama'ar
05-26-2003, 13:04
hey, i've been reading this thread since it started.

i really enjoy all the literature skills you guys have shown. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

if i can help a tiny little bit, then i feel like i'm helping you guys keep this idea going. *bows deeply*

that's why we're here for, right?

Al Shama'ar

sprucemoose
05-26-2003, 16:50
sorry guys i should of mentioned that,i had to use winace to compress it small enough to email,winzip made it 1.06meg and my mail account only allowa 1.0 meg.
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by the way i sent it to both of you just incase squippy doesnt get it.

Demon of Light
05-27-2003, 21:38
Squippy acknowledged recieving the game in an e-mail he sent to me. I await word of his reign.

P.S: I took a look at the game from right after KukriKhan had it. I think he REALLY likes Urban Militia. There are whole stacks of these buggers. Large masses of low tech troops abound together with (I could hardly believe this myself) peasants. I also found governors with vices like corrupt that had 1 acumen. Kukri: You were in the process of modernizing, right? Right???

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sprucemoose
05-28-2003, 07:59
Lo

i noticed the militia thing,i tried not to train any troops to maximise profit,but i had to start when the rebels turned up http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif.
i will try to send some screen shots soon.

squippy
05-28-2003, 08:31
Hi, yes I have it. It was just a bit overwhelming, stacks and stacks of militia and spearmen. The extent of popular rebellions is IMO due to the lack of happiness improvements and I have half a mind to blow most of the treasury on monastaries. However, the lack of developed castles will make this a slow process.

It has to be said, as someone who tends not to play Domination games, that I have recieved the game in its least favoured phase, from my perspective. Furthermore, the king is young and has a good 30 years of campaigning ahead of him. The Germans look likely to make a come back, and the reminder of the games looks to be mopping up and crushing the few other factional remnants. All of this means its going to take me a little while to get up to speed and provide much of a play report. Stand by.

KukriKhan
06-01-2003, 01:03
Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ May 27 2003,13:38)]Squippy acknowledged recieving the game in an e-mail he sent to me. I await word of his reign.

P.S: I took a look at the game from right after KukriKhan had it. I think he REALLY likes Urban Militia. There are whole stacks of these buggers. Large masses of low tech troops abound together with (I could hardly believe this myself) peasants. I also found governors with vices like corrupt that had 1 acumen. Kukri: You were in the process of modernizing, right? Right???

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Heh. It's been so long since I played that reign, that I had to dig out my notes to answer that question. Short answer is: yes. Modernization of troops and more attention to titleholders was on the agenda. Urban Militia was the first step (when I started, peasants & archers were all that were available, largely...because my predecessor (correctly, IMO) apparently used most of his discretionary income on ships - hence England's utter superiority of the sea; necessary for income & troop mobility).

The weak link in that strategy is what you've found: mid-grade troops coming from provinces without castles, but with amazing mobility. Worked quite well in the Middle East, sending UM in a 3:1 ratio vs egypt & almo's, also holding the advance of the mongols. Kind of the Mao Tse Tung strategy, if you will.

IIRC, you'll find castles & churches in 90% of building queues, since I'd basically slowed the military buildup to consolidate & modernize the force. I don't think I'd said or implied anything different in my write-ups.

I'd be very suprised if rebellions broke out spontaneously within the empire, because I paid special attention to attaining loyalty of 150+, first thru number of troops, then thru 'happy' bldg's. That was just starting when 'I' died.

Demon of Light
06-01-2003, 02:14
In the game Squippy has, rebellion did break out in 6 provinces. Doesn't really make sense because the garrisons were adequate and the provinces were reasonably developed so I think it was the infamous mass rebellion thing the game does when you've conquered a certain portion of the map.

I know that modernization was going on. Just giving you a hard time. I damn near had a heart attack though when I saw stacks and stacks of Urban Militia and Spearmen. I kinda think it is funny that with all the time I've been following this game that my mental image of what was going on was so far off. There are modern armies out there in the game to be sure but I didn't consider that so much of the success would be attributable to hordes of glorified peasants.

Everyone should also be thankful that I did not carry the game after Sprucemoose. I played around with the game, spent 1/4 of the treasury on the first turn building castles and brothels, and moved King Henry II to Sweden to personally put down the rebellion in that province. My attempt to increase the monarch's influence failed when he was surrounded and killed by spearmen. The next turn I found a very unpleasant civil war waiting for me. I eventually crushed the Swedes with the king...on the third try.

KukriKhan
06-01-2003, 03:10
...I know that modernization was going on. Just giving you a hard time. I damn near had a heart attack though when I saw stacks and stacks of Urban Militia and Spearmen. I kinda think it is funny that with all the time I've been following this game that my mental image of what was going on was so far off. There are modern armies out there in the game to be sure but I didn't consider that so much of the success would be attributable to hordes of glorified peasants...

No harm, no foul, my friend http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif hope I didn't come off defensive there.

You may be onto something regarding squippy's rebellions: 50%+ of the map owned sometimes = AI-generated rebellions, despite one's best effort.

And I admit: I only ever build brothels/spy networks after trade, agri & mil are maxxed out (usually not until the late 1300's). That is: unless I am France.
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sprucemoose
06-04-2003, 09:19
the rebellions started in my last two turns,it was two provences in germany,cant remember which and both had 300+ troops in each.then next turn all hell broke loose with scotland sweden and more provences in central europe.i sent the king to scotland and heput down the rebellion there.i tried not to build troops in my reign so maybe it was the fact i moved some about the map but i made sure everything was ok with the shift key and all the map was green prior to this.
my conclusion is its the AI throwing a spanner in the works to keep the English busy.
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Wilbo
06-04-2003, 11:11
This sounds like an absolutely great idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I am gonna try and start one tomorrow with a few friends

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Demon of Light
06-05-2003, 08:17
Haven't heard from Squippy in a week. I am taking steps to bypass him...

(he's online right now so I'm hoping that this gets his attention)

Ryttare
06-05-2003, 10:48
Why dont you just forget about this, it was a fun thing in the begining, but some people along the way ruined the fun.

FesterShinetop
06-07-2003, 11:28
Demon, I got the file and will get started with it. Keep you posted.

FesterShinetop
06-10-2003, 13:37
I haven't really started yet. Just checked out the situation. Not sure if i'll be able to finish this, the king is still young though so who knows
Guess my first goals will be to finish of the Novgorod and try to contain some of the rebellions.

FesterShinetop
06-11-2003, 13:14
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1318

My first action as King was to finish of the people of Novgorod and to try to contain some rebellions in the heart of the English Empire. The first battle (since months) against the People of Novgorod was a fierce one and things looked pretty grim when the Commanding General died, but thanks to the reinforcements at last the victory was ours Some Novgorod people are still hiding in the shack they call castle in Ryazan, including their cowardly King. But doom is upon them, nowhere to run and nowhere to hide...

Some rebellions are contained and some have succeeded, but rest assured the empire will soon again be ONE.

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Demon of Light
06-24-2003, 16:59
Bump for Apache (second bump BTW)

sprucemoose
07-09-2003, 07:44
Has this been forgotten???

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Demon of Light
07-09-2003, 08:41
No. The game is in the hands of Apache. He recently completed a reign on the Almohad game so I am relatively certain that he'll play this game as well.

Demon of Light
07-15-2003, 08:42
Awaiting news from Apache...

FesterShinetop
07-15-2003, 08:52
I'll see if I can find the time for it this week. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif I'll do my best http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

sprucemoose
07-17-2003, 16:34
nice 1 m8

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Demon of Light
07-31-2003, 08:11
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=9348 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=9348)

I'm posting because of what I said in the above thread but I'm getting curious about Apache.

ArseClown: Remember what I said? It's THIS thread.

Cazbol
10-17-2003, 13:08
I'm bumping this as it's back on track. This should probably be moved the throne room.

Cazbol
10-18-2003, 21:14
1318
It is the year in which I, Henry II, have become the king of England at the age of 19. My ancestors have conquered most of Europe and the lands around the Mediterranean Sea. I see it as my task to complete this conquest. Our current and future opponents are:
- the Vatican who hold all of the Italian peninsula with reasonably strong forces.
- the Italians who hold Corsica and Sardinia with a very large number of high quality troops.
- the Sicilians who hold Malta with a large number of royal knights.
- the Byzantines who hold Crimea and Crete. The force on Crete is weak but the Crimean force is formidable.
- the people of Novgorod hold two provinces on the steppes with fair strength. There is a state of war with Novgorod.
- the Mongols similarly hold two provinces but are greatly weakened with little heavy cavalry left. A small number of Mongols is under siege in Muscovy.
- the rebels control 7 provinces, usually with large but old fashioned forces. Rebel forces in Livonia are however failry modern and include a large number of Halberdiers which could cause serious problems. English troops are under siege in 4 of these 7 rebel provinces.
I've taken over vast forces but most of them are totally outdated, with ordinary spearmen and urban militias forming an alarmingly large part. There are also troops of better quality but my main concern is the limited number of quality cavalry. Our troops are strangely evenly distributed across the lands.

Based on the current situation I've drawn up a long term strategy.
Year 1: Lift all sieges and conquer all rebel provinces. Take Kiev from the Mongols and charge the castle in Muscovy.
Year 2. Take the last Mongol and Novgorod lands.
After that we can turn on the Byzantines without fear of excommunication. Next it'll be the Sicilians' turn as we should be able to finish them before the pope can intervene. The Italians will be second from last and seem to pose the greatest challenge, due to the size and quality of their forces defending only two islands. I'll save the Vatican for last.

..........

Having carried out the first phase of my plan I can only claim partial succes.
Province: Sweden
English: 3.676 troops, 293 lost
Rebels: 2.600 troops, 1.066 lost, 578 captured
Outcome: Victory
This was an easy and uneventful battle where the rebels never stood a chance.

Province: Muscovy
English: ca. 800 troops, no losses
Mongols: 7 steppe cavalry, 7 losses
Outcome: Victory
Impressively our artillery slaugtered all the defenders without any of our troops having to get within range of the castle defences.

Province: Livonia
English: 9.691 troops, 474 losses
Rebels: 2.331 troops, 1.293 lost, 478 captured.
Outcome: Victory
An overkill, is what describes this engagement best. The rebel force of halberdiers really had me worried so I kept on adding to the invasion force without realising I had assembled almost 10.000 tropps. As it turned out I only needed a few units of reinforcements. The easy victory was mainly due to our 9 star general.

Province: Ryazan
English: 1.577 troops, 134 losses
Rebels: 61 troops, 59 lost, 2 captured
Outcome: Victory
The rebels fielded half a unit of Mongol heavy cavalry and a full unit of Mongol horse archers. My force mostly consisted of spearmen, but with two units of Spanish Jinettes and two of Turcopoles. Understandably, we lost many a spearman to the mongol troops whose job it was to hold them back while the jinettes and turcopols killed them with javelins and arrows.

We attacked the Mongols in Kiev with superior numbers and the Mongols retreated to Pereyaslavl.

Province: Pomerania
English: 2.540 troops, 265 losses
Rebels: 2.420 troops, 1.004 lost, 762 captured
Outcome: Victory
As uneventful as Sweden.

Rebels in Silesia retreated without a fight.

Province: Bohemia
English: 2.514 troops, 1.334 losses
Rebels: 2.520 troops, 1804 lost, 369 captured.
Outcome: Victory
This was a near disaster. The rebels were very dispersed on the field and we allowed our forces to disperse too. Our army consisted almost solely of spearmen and some urban militia. Before long the rebels had managed to kill our inexperienced general and our dispersed troops quickly lost heart. Most of them managed to rally and regroup after which they went after the remaining rebels who by now were mostly peasants. Strangely enough our men routed again just after engaging the peasantry and fled the field for good this time. Our last reinforcements, some 8 or 9 units formed a two line formation and were just barely able to rout the remaining rebels, thanks mostly to the fact that they were still dispersed after chasing down our fleeing troops.

Province: Franconia
English: 2.130 troops, 1.388 lost, 543 captured
Rebels: 1.820 troops, 239 losses
Outcome: Defeat
This was a total disaster, as can be seen from the bodycount. Rarely has a commander lost so decisively. In hindsight, it was unwise to go ahead with the attack. I had mainly focused on assembling a large invasion force from the neighbouring provinces but had failed to pay proper attention to unit quality. My troops were therefore mainly spearmen with limited urban militia back-up. No proper generals had been available either. The rebel army consisted of feudal sergeants, hobilars and some archers. We had to engage them uphill and they just ran us down.

The loss in Franconia has dire consequences. The retreating and fleeing rebels from Silesia and Bohemia have now made it to safety in Franconia, where the rebels number 6.772 men.

Cazbol
10-18-2003, 21:51
1319:
Continuing my plan, I decided to attack the rebels and the Novgorod forces. It was however decided to postpone the final battle with the Mongols and focus our troops in the east on the Russians.

.........

Our attack on Smolensk resulted in a Russian retreat to the castle.

Province: Chernigov
English: 6.271 troops, 658 losses
Russians: 1.609 troops, 1.194 lost, 194 captured
Outcome: Victory
I had managed to assemble some decent cavalry units for this battle, which made me optimistic. Unfortunately, it turned out that the Russians could find a defensive position in a large forest where they placed many units of foot knights. We had limited success in drawing them out and ended up sending the infantry into the forest where they managed to rout the foot knights. Pursuing them out of the forest our infantry were however overrun by the Novgorod cavalry, who in turn were stopped by our cavalry on the other side of the woods. After much manouvering and advances back and forth they finally gave in and fled.

Province: Franconia
English: 9.782 troops, 2.739 losses
Rebels: 6.772 troops, 4.394 lost, 443 captured
Outcome: Victory
Despite the unavailability of an experienced general I decided to attack the rebel stronghold of Franconia. I could muster almost ten thousand troops, which should have been yet another overkill but it turned out to be quite a difficult battle. Our 1 star general faced a 4 star general who was a peasant, to add insult to injury. We had some initial succes in pressing them back but once their reinforcements arrived they all turned out to be hobilars. These hobilars overran our troops. It was painful to watch my full units of royal knights lose badly in a 1 on 1 versus hobilars, again and again. They also ran down our chivalric sergeants. While my men fled I assembled my reinforcements. These were also routed by the hobilars but the constant stream of reinforcements finally wore the riders down so I could regroup. Sadly my reinforcements quickly yielded little but spearmen which resulted in much difficulty, even against the low level rebel units that were now arriving . The rebel archers were also hard to counter due to exhaustion among our troops and severe lack of our own archers. Persistance paid in the end and the sheer weight of numbers finally won the battle. We still had about 70 units in reserves at the end of the battle.

I'm getting a reputation for going overboard when I assemble men for difficult fights. Twice in two years have I gathered af force af almost ten thousand men. Furthermore, I had sent even more troops to the border provinces around Franconia to strike next year if this attacked failed. The total number of the reserve attack force was.... well.... 19.791 man, not counting the survivors from this year's battle. Better safe than sorry. I think my military aides are giggling behind my back.

Cazbol
10-19-2003, 23:00
1320:
Seeing a that my father had made preperations for a crusade, I decide to make the Byzantine province of Crimea its target, which was understandably taken as a declaration of war. Sadly the crusade does not get much support, only 5 units sign up: 3 units of order foot soldiers, one unit of peasants and one of fanatics. These won't make that much a difference in taking the Crimea, but at least I can waltz the crusade over papal land reducing their forces before declaring war on them. This year's goals are the Mongols and the Byzantine island of Crete.

............

Province: Pereyaslavl
English: 5.792 troops, 622 losses
Mongols: 1.816 troops, 1.183 lost, 386 captured
Outcome: Victory
The Mongols only had about 4 or 5 units of heavy cavalry which suffered heavy losses from our longbows. The rest of their army wasn't much of threat. The Khan was captured and later executed so the Mongols have now been wiped out.

Province: Crete
English: 2.820 toops, 179 losses
Byzantines: 1.030 troops, 651 lost, 287 captured
Outcome: Victory
An uneventful bashing of inferior troops.

1321:
An uventful year in which we made do with manouvering our armies into position for future attacks. The besieged grand prince of Novgorod died without heirs so the Novgorod dynasty is no more.

1322:
Province: Crimea
English: 6.414 troops, 95 losses
Byzantines: 2.194 troops, 1.405 lost, 258 captured
Outcome: Victory
I had been woried about the 5 units of varangian guards and 5 units of kataphraktoi but that proved to be unecessary concern. The Byzantines defended at a river with two bridges. Simple baiting brought the Byzantines within range of my archers who wasted them. In the end the Byzantine general realised that attempting to defend the bridges was hopeless and retreated to new positions away from the bridges. We crossed the bridges and kept on firing at them until they attempted to charge us. That attempt was hopeless against our 8 star general. Any comers, whether it be varangian guards or kataphraktoi were quickly mauled by our chivalric sergeants and billmen. When the Byzantine emperor fell to the spears the rest of his men fled. An easy victory with minimal losses. The Byzantine empire has thus fallen.

1323:
The original plan was to conquer the Sicilians before the Italians. I have changed the order of conquest seeing that the Sicilians are allied with the Vatican. Furthermore the two Italians provinces have no from for castles or forts. Therefore, if I successfully take both provinces in the same year, the Italians will be destroyed before the pope can do anything about it.

To my great relief the Italians retreated from Corsica without a fight, which was most fortunate for they had many units of knights on Corsica while Sardinia is defended by lesser troops.

Province: Sardinia
English: 4.798 troops, 398 losses
Italians: 3.960 troops, 1.442 lost, 959 captured
Outcome: Victory
The only opponents that could pose a threat were 5 units of knights and one of halberdiers. Our arbalesters reduced their numbers considerably before the melee engagement. Once they broke there was no serious resistance.

The Italians retreating from Corsica were thus captured, including the Doge and his two princes. The Italians are therefore conquered and only the Sicilians and the Vatican remain.

Demon of Light
10-20-2003, 07:15
YAY England lives

The Wizard
10-20-2003, 11:42
Yes but it's written like the records of a mortuarium... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

No offense Cazbol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

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Cazbol
10-20-2003, 12:00
Well in my day job I work a lot with statistics and dry reports.

There's no strategic danger, no threat of invasion, no need for diplomacy other than limiting the time of excommunication. For that reason my muse of inspiration has decided that she isn't needed and has left me to fend for myself with my report making skills. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

My plan is to finish the remainder in three game years.

Gregoshi
10-20-2003, 13:57
Moved to the Throne Room forum.

sprucemoose
10-20-2003, 16:28
The King is alive long live the King

Cazbol
10-20-2003, 22:01
1324:
Seeing that soon there'll be no more lands to conquer I have been looking for a new hobby. Hence I have now married and this very same year my wife has given birth to a little princess.

............

Province: Malta
English: 2.780 troops, 527 losses
Sicilians: 735 troops, 459 lost, 138 captured
Outcome: Victory
The Sicilians probably had between 200 and 300 royal knights defending Malta. Fortunately we were more than able to match that with our reserves of knights that we had raised since we came to power, the only units we've raise since we've got all the infantry we'll ever need. This was mainly a head on frontal assault with some knights sent around the enemies' back. Our 7 star general soon came under pressure and was the only one from his unit that survived. Once the enemy fled the order was given to stop the pursuit to let as many as possible escape to the fort. The defenders will therefore starve within 2 years.

The pope is no fool and obviously saw what was coming to him after we'd defeat the Sicilians, for the papal fleet attacked ours wherever they could, sinking 5 of our ships in as many battles, thus preventing us from attempting the same next year. However, the plan was always to take the land route and this is the goal for the next two years.

1325:
The Vatican's pre-emptive naval strike has blockaded Corsica and Sardinia, resulting in 100% certainty of a rebellion on Corsica despite a garrison of 1.360 men. The vatican navy also puts great pressure on other provinces, forcing me to leave large forces there that were originally intended for the invasion. Despite this setback we will be attacking 5 out of 7 papal provinces. The inevitability of rebellion on Corsica and my reading up on my forefathers' reigns has made my lower taxes to a minimum in Portugal, Scotland and Livonia despite high loyalty in those provinces. I've also increased the garrison size to 900 men.

The Vatican retreated from all the provinces we attacked, so we conquered Croatia, Venice, Genoa, Tusancy and Naples without a fight.

This should have been it for this year, but his craziness the pope certainly managed to surprise us. While giving up the 5 provinces above, even Genoa where he had a very good chance of winning, he does however attack Sicily in a mad stroke of bravery. The pope and his 20 royal knights together with 80 feudal knights take the boat from Rome over to Sicily where they try to take the island from the 1.500 man garrison.
Province: Sicily
English: 1.539 troops, 118 losses
Vatican: 101 troops, 94 losses
Outcome: Victory
The holy one was greeted by a thick spear wall with 3 reduced units of longbows, arbalesters and crossbowmen behind it. The knights made very determined attacks on the sergeants and spearmen but this was totally futile and they failed to rout a single unit. Still they didn't give up until only 7 of them still stood standing. They then left the field to the great cheers of their hosts. Maybe the old geezer knew he wasn't to live too long because he died of illness that same year. Others suggest he was poisoned by the cardinals for wasting some his best troops in a suicide mission.

1326:
Province: Corsica
English: 1.420 troops, 159 losses
Rebels: 2840 troops, 1.069 lost, 670 captured
Outcome: Victory
Effortless slaughter. Quite pointless really.

The papal forces in the Papal States retreated without a fight.

Province: Rome
English: 1.840 troops, 921 losses
Vatican: 414 troops, 328 lost, 20 captured
Outcome: Victory
This final battle was nearly lost. The Vatican had three artillery pieces on a steep hill which rained hell upon us. Trying to remedy the situation we charged the hill but lost utterly to a seemingly inferior and certainly much smaller force. Our troops rallied repeatedly but were constantly routed again. Attempts to destroy the artillery failed again and again until a unit of 4 English knights rallied and snuck up on them while their comrades were busy chasing down our routers. Our reinforcements were assembled on a large hill and fortunately counted several units of crossbowmen. These saved the day and routed the now battered Vatican troops as they approached the hill. It was a great relief indeed.

My fellow Englishmen, my noble ancestors; we have united Europe, Asia minor and North Africa under English rule.

Cazbol
10-20-2003, 22:22
I've sent the final screenshot to Demon of light (Yahoo address).

I extend my deepest thanks to Demon of Light for his persistent administration of this campaign.

The Wizard
10-21-2003, 09:32
England stands victorious...

Demon of Light
08-04-2007, 10:33
It has been a few years since I logged in. I just wanted to gratuitously bump this so that everyone can see how it all began.

*bump*

...and then I'll once again take my leave.

Cecil XIX
08-05-2007, 01:50
Wow, was this the first?

Ramses II CP
08-05-2007, 03:16
Last month's Ghazette pimped it too, which is when I read it. :)