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Chimpyang
02-09-2004, 19:50
Hi,
I've been reading the forum with interest and I wanted to see a MTW 1.1 PBEM get going, so I've decided to see if anyone wanted to get one join in. If you are intereseted reply to this post and I'll draw up some rules. I've chosen Poland as nobody recently has done them (or at all).
Ang

econ21
02-09-2004, 21:35
There was a Poland conquer the world game:

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....t=11382 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=25;t=11382)

I am not sure Poland has any interesting GA. Otherwise Poland is a fun choice for a PBM - one of the weakest choices. I suspect that if she is to survive, she has to be played rather more aggressively than in the French role-playing game.

Chimpyang
02-09-2004, 22:22
I chose Polnd exactly because one of the main points in it's GA is to expand by conquest http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif This gives people a reason to attack the rebels to the east.

If anyone wants to lend me a set of ground rules that have worked in the past I would very grateful as I'm struggling to think up my own http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

econ21
02-09-2004, 23:32
Um - now you mention it, a role-playing Polish game MIGHT be feasible. If you use Revenant's rules for the French campaign, the Poles can still freely attack rebels, Byzantines and Muslims. They can hit back at the Western Catholics but can't grab much of their land due to the Pope's injunctions. Might just be doable - the Poles don't want to go West early on, anyway, as it is much tougher there. They would have to focus on preparing to survive the Mongols and then lead the Catholics by GA, rather than extermination. Sounds like an interesting campaign.

fruitfly
02-10-2004, 09:34
The Poles have the Jagellion University GA goal which is quite a good one, especially since they're severely lacking in infrastructure and income early on in the game and it hampers the military development of Poland somewhat.

Chimpyang
02-10-2004, 18:05
Ok..here are the rules
The Game is to be played with Poland in Early and with Glorius Achievements as a victory condition with the difficulty set onto Expert. Also, i won't insist on a write up but instead strongly suggest it as it gives another aspect to playing the game.

1.The GA's are the most important part of the campaign, we're going for a win by outscoring everyone else. So if any major war is started by Poland in this then a VALID reason must be given. eg Homelands (but must stop after capturing objectives)

2.NO attacking un-excommunicated Catholic Countries without provocation, also orders from the Pope are to be followed (after all you are a devout Catholic). Attacking rebels, Bzantium and Muslim Factions is ok as it very often is justifyable.

3.Roleplay yor king and his V&V's, this makes the game more interesting as it allows for some very interesting reigns.

4.Email the campaign as well as sending it on to the next person, i like keeping checks on how it is progressing my email is angli_@hotmail.com

As soon as we get enough people interested I will start the campaign with me as the first king. (If not enoguh people are interested you may get more than 1 reign) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

AggonyDuck
02-11-2004, 15:22
Well I think I'm interested, always loved the poles.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Chimpyang
02-11-2004, 17:36
So i'll count you in then? If so PM me your email cos you'll be next in line after me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

AggonyDuck
02-12-2004, 14:20
Okay pm'd u my e-mail... :)

Chimpyang
02-12-2004, 17:52
Ok...i'm just looking for 2 maybe 3 more ppl and we can get under way..

Eastside Character
02-12-2004, 20:46
I'm in it. eastsidecharacter@hotmail.com
But why MTW 1.1 , if you dont have VI then anyway it'd be better to play 2.1 patched version. What do you think.

Regards,
EC

AggonyDuck
02-12-2004, 21:29
Oh lol, I can't play 1.01.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
So I'm out.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Chimpyang
02-12-2004, 22:45
Sorry to hear that....Duck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Welcome aboard East...I havent got VI so i've been pretty limited in joining a PBEM. So iu set one up myself. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The Wizard
02-13-2004, 11:27
You can play MTW v1.1 using the VI cd...



~Wiz

Chimpyang
02-13-2004, 23:28
Really ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif This mena that Vi players can get involved.. If so pls join http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-14-2004, 21:06
Sounds good.
I got MTW, but not VI.

Chimpyang
02-14-2004, 21:10
Ok,
Heres a list of the players who've agreed to play so far.

1. Ang (Me) King Wladyslaw I The Warrior 1087-1097
2. Eastsidecharacter King Wladyslaw II The Great 1098 - 1137
3. o_loompah King Mieszko III The Conquoerer 1138-1178
4. Buka King Wladyslaw III The Shipwright 1178-1203
5. Nightcrawlerblue King ??? 1203 -
6. Omneleupi
7. Jeff ???

Jeff
02-15-2004, 07:11
I'd love to give it a go, I've read many of the others. My problem is that I am unsure on how to take screenshots and save them and upload them and such. So if someone could give me the skinny on all that stuff I'd love to try it. I've got VI also. My email is jeff8275@yahoo.com

Eastside Character
02-15-2004, 10:51
Quote[/b] (Jeff @ Feb. 15 2004,00:11)]I'd love to give it a go, I've read many of the others. My problem is that I am unsure on how to take screenshots and save them and upload them and such. So if someone could give me the skinny on all that stuff I'd love to try it. I've got VI also.
Hey Jeff,

To make a screenshot just press F2, or Print Screen. All the screenshots are then kept in TGAs folder.
And as for uploading files, here's where you do it:
PBM uploads (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Uploaders/pbmupload.php)
Remember that it's for PBM purposes only.

Regards,
EC

Jeff
02-15-2004, 19:04
Excellent I think I can handle that. When do we start? I've been practicing with the Poles since last night. I'm playing Expert/Early at the moment.

Chimpyang
02-15-2004, 19:33
Ok since we've got a few players I'll start it tonite (15/02/2004) and email it on to east....if we run outta players...we'll all try and have a 2nd go ..ok?

Chimpyang
02-15-2004, 20:55
The Reign of King Wladyslaw I

The King shifted uneasily in his chair, although his reign has so far been peaceful, he saw troublesome times were ahead.

Whats our financial situation? he barked at the chancellor.
We have the money sir to expand, but we've upgraded Poland to almost full extent sir.
Well, what about Silesia then?
Excellency, Silesia is called the forgotten land by it's people, we have a token garrison there and no permeanent fort
King Wladyslaw sowre, the HRE was becoming more and more arrogant and reports he recieved earlier stated the build up of German troops along the border.
Mover half the garrison here into Silesia and order the building of a fort immediately. he shoute at the poor man.
Of course my liege, is there anything else?
See if the peasents can be persuaded to work any harder or if we can take more income from the land

The years passed and everythnig was at peace, the king recieved regualr reports from his daughter who was in Moldovia sampling the fine seafood produced there. One day he called the chancellor into the room.

Ah, here you are, please bear with me a second, I have a emmisary from the HRE awaiting me.
Of course sir, i have a word from your daughter
When the king came back out he was smiling and unusually happy.
What is it my lord?
Ah, I have managed to secure an alliance with our neighbours the HRE With this the King turned to go but the chancellor stopped him.
Ahem SIR, I have important news from Moldovia.
Fine then, make it quick, I am to see the Sicilian Princess later on today.
The chancellor extracted a letter from his pocket and thus bean to read.
Dear Papa
There is something which I feel the need to tell you, Moldovia is rich in it's imports from the sea and I, over my time here have managed to determine the garrison here. It was to my surprise that I only counted 100 professional soldiers, all armed with the most rudimentary of weapons. For the good of Poland it may be neccesary to take this province.
Your loving daughter Maria

The king's face lit up, he like nothing better than a good battle and from his youth he etained the skills of a warrior. So he led an army of archers, woodsmen and horse archers into Moldovia. The enemy say the advancing Polish army and fled into a neighbouring province.

The rest of his reign Wladyslaw spent hoarding a small fortune for his first son and heir Prince Wladyslaw. Moldovia was secure after a rebellion scare and Silesia was flourishing, with a income to match Poland's. The rebels to the north and south had not dared attacked after they saw what happened in Moldovia when a small rebel army tried to attack.
And so Poland was secure on the world stage, ready to stake it's place in history

(Original bit)

Ok, i've done my bit......my king died at the ususal age. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
But in the few years i was actually on the throne I managed the following :

*Made Silesia into a basic fort province (not much more than fort, farms and watchtowers though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif I couldn't really afford much more unless I plugged into the florin reserves which i didnt really want to do ). Appointed best govenors I could find (both have around 3-4 Quills)

*Invaded Moldovia without a fight (and secured it to a certain extent, but watch the tax rates.) This'll give us a vital port province where we mioght be able to make some money from trade. (did this so that we'd also start making the GA goals and aslo cut off Hungary from the rebel land between us and Russia)

*We are now allies with England (married off princess) Germany (very neccesary) Sicily (princess married to current king) Egypt (we need all the allies we can get)

*I have stabilised the economy- we're now making around 500-600 every year. Upgraded farmland to 60% in Polans and in silesia to 40% with 60% still building, also managed to raise farmland to 20% in Moldovia.

There is still a heck of a lot of things to do e.g. builing up poland and getting rid of the troublesome rebels near us but we're in okayish shape. The Heir has terrible stats thouh ONLY 1 Command

The file I've uploaded is called The Polish 1098 PBEM.rar if you would like me to zip it instead please post and tell me to do you. A copy is being sent to eastside as I type so I wish him luck and prosperity in his reign.

The_Emperor
02-15-2004, 22:43
While I cannot participate with this, I will keep an eye on this campaign... It will be good to see how this will progress.

Chimpyang
02-16-2004, 10:02
Ok...i've finally got a map to post now


http://www.geocities.com/zentra_man/poland1098.JPG

Jeff
02-16-2004, 18:36
Chimp your going to have to take me off the first round. Starting today @ 4pm I'll be working double shifts until next tuesday. We had a couple people go out at work. I'll keep an eye on the thread and if anything changes in the next couple of days I'll email you.

Chimpyang
02-16-2004, 22:44
Ok sure thing, you'll just have another go later on ok?

Jeff
02-17-2004, 04:48
Ok thanks Chimpyang. I could probably get in on Thursday or Friday after everyone else has had a go. I'll at least have until 4pm both those days to play. I am at work right now and unfortunately all attepmts at getting MTW to work on any of our work computers has failed. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-17-2004, 23:27
What kind of work do you do that you can play MTW at the office I am so very jealous

Buka
02-18-2004, 12:40
Hi
I would like to join this Polish PBM also, if it's not too late.
I have MTW 1.1(is that ok or i must have VI ver.???)
e-mail: hincubator AT yahoo DOT com

One thing i didn't understand reading rules of this campaign, how to role-play king according to his vices & virtues. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

And also how do you determine lifespan of first king before start of campaign. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

Chimpyang
02-18-2004, 13:57
Ok..
First of all Hi and welcome to the .ORG Buka. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
MTW 1.1 is just fine for playing this one, unlike the VI ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And to explain the Role Playing ting, if your Kings has a V&V of Great Builder then your actions withing the game must try and reflect this, or if he is a Greeat Warrior, it's sorto f expected that he joins in the fray whenever possible right?

We can't actually determine the lifespan of a certain king but there is a known bug in MTW 1.1 thats been ironed out in Vi that the King always dies at 56 if not earlier. For my reign (the first one) I don't actually know when he took up the throne so I just say that his reign begins as the campaign does.. It makes life a lot easier http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I might look it up if i have some spare time though....

Eastside Character
02-18-2004, 17:12
Welcome to the Org. Buka http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

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The Glorious Reign of King Wladyslaw II

part 1 (covers first 20 years)

King Wladyslaw II began his reign in the year 1098, here is what was the condition of a state:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1098astate.jpg

There was enough money to develop and the king realized that.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1098bking.jpg

Although he was not the best field commander and wasnt well educated, he viewed himself better than the others, and that confidence, that secret pride, was his driving force.

AD 1098
There were lands to the north where the pagan peoples lived. Warrior Tribes of the Prussians and the Pomeranians. King saw them as a threat, and also the alliance made with the Pope, who wanted the pagans to be Christianized, these were the reasons why the king started thinking about war.

AD 1099
A unit of horse archers was first called from Moldavia to Poland, and was then sent to Pomerania to harass the pagans.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1099excursion.jpg

AD 1100
The King himself led the army to conquer Pomerania.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1100conquest.jpg

It was a good victory, none of the enemies was left alive.
But the situation in Pomerania was very unstable, and so the King had to stay there for a couple of years to strengthen his rule over that region.

AD 1106
Reports from Moldavia reacher his majesty king Wladyslaw II, that Kiev had been taken by the Prince of Novgorod.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1106anovgorodtakeskievnovking.jpg

The Novgorodian Prince was a ruler to be feared by his enemies and respected by his allies, his forces were strong, too strong...

There was also a pagan army in Volhynia, commanded by quite a remarkable general. The King had decided to send an emissary to Duke of Volhynia, to discuss our relations and also the threat presented by the Novgorodians, who were continuously attacking Volhynia, even before they arrival to Kiev.


http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1106bdukeofvolhyniaattackedbynovg.jpg

Unfortunately the pagan ruler was too confident in his own abilities, and the emissary had to leave few years after with nothing.

AD 1108

The Prussians were another threat to our country, constantly raiding our border lands they had to be dealt with. Their ruler was, however, not an easy opponent.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1108prussians.jpg

First attack took place in 1108 and was led by a proud prince Henryk, who convinced his royal brother to make this attack. Henryk wasnt unfortunately commander good enough to win the battle. He returned beaten and severely wounded with very few men.

AD 1109
That irritated his majesty king Wladyslaw II so much,
that he ordered his careless brother to attack the next year again, but this time under command of 16 year old prince Konrad. That expedition was also a failure, prince Henryk was killed and prince Konrad was wounded.

AD 1111
But eventhough the previous attempts to conquer Prussia were failures, the pagans had been weakened, and their undoing was only a matter of time. And so it happened in the year of the Lord 1111. The young prince Henry was appointed for a commander, as he seemed quite a promising general.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1111princehenrytakesprussia.jpg

The battle was won, and the province was taken. Our kingdom was getting stronger.

AD 1113
King once again sent an emissary to Volhynia this time demanding a tribute. The pagan dog refused and offended His Majesty. To avenge the offense, prince Konrad was sent, with an army of mercenaries from Moldavia.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1113princekonradfailstoconquervolhynia.jpg

The battle was quick and bloody, a defeat, but the pagans dogs bled more

AD 1114
The Conqueror of Prussia, prince Henry had taken Volhynia Prince Konrad who was also fighting in this battle had been killed, and now prince Henry was the second one to the throne. The first was weak prince Casimir stationing in Moldavia, only two years younger from His Majesty the King.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1114princehenrytakesvolhynia.jpg

AD 1115
Kiev belonged to Novgorod since 1106, but they didnt manage to conquer Lithuania. Influenced by his younger brother prince Henry, the king had decided to send an expedition to Lithuania. But as prince Henry had to stay in Volhynia to keep there order, the command was given to a mercenary general. The army itself was composed only of mercenaries.

The Lithuanians withdrew to Livonia, but at the same time prince of Novgorod sent an army to take the province for him. This started a long war with the Novgorod.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1115mercenariesunderwladyslawmalewiczdefeatedinlithuania.jpg

AD 1117
Our country was strong and was developing, slowly but surely conquering new territories. The Novgorod which appeared a major threat just a few years ago, now was weakened by its struggle in Ryazan and Volga, where they were fighting large rebellions. This was a good time to ensure our place in the east. In this year two polish armies attacked Novgorod's lands. One was commanded by prince Henry, and took Lithuania.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1117aprincehenrytakeslithuania.jpg

The other one attacked Kiev, and was led by the Crown Prince Casimir.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1117bprincecasimirtakeskiev.jpg

AD 1118
The first twenty years of king Wladyslaw II's reign had passed. Country was strong militarily, economy wasnt to well developed (salt mines in Pomerania, basic farms).

Since 1106 the king often used mercenaries, so there wasnt enough money for everything, but Poland and Silesia had been developed quite well.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1118poland.jpg

end of part 1
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I'll post what happened next when i finish my reign.

Regards,
EC

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-19-2004, 16:41
Looks good, but might want to grab those forts in Kiev and Lithuania. Are you allied to HRE and Hungary? b/c they could try ot go grab either Silesia or Poland.

Chimpyang
02-19-2004, 19:41
I see those florins i left you were of good use
Hopefully Prince Henry's gonna be the next king. Casimir doesnt look too promising, if it's so we're gonna have a pretty good royal line http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I'm slightly concerned that we're losing so many princes in battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif but the expansion is a good idea. oh yeah East have you got any idea what you want your King to be nicknamed?

Eastside Character
02-20-2004, 19:42
Ok my reign is finally over.

King Wladyslaw II died at the age of 63 and his reign lasted 40 years (1098 - 1137).

o_loompah is King Mieszko III

current save game: The Polish 1138 (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/The%20Polish%201138.rar)

Well, the overall situation of Poland is not bad. We have about 3500 soldiers (there are also some 600 mercenaries ready to hire in Lithuania and Kiev), we lack good generals tho. In the east, the Novgorod is fairly weak now. Their soldiers are neither numerous nor of good quality. It's only that they have some good commanders. Continuing conquest there is possible, but I wouldnt expect the war to be ended soon. The Hungarians are not much of a danger now. I didnt try to conquer them only because they're catholic faction and the Pope didnt call for a crusade against them. Attacking them might not be the best idea however, as they are allied with the Byzantines who are neutral for us. The HRE is busy with its war with the French, so they are not likely to attack. I see many opportunities for a new king, I see obstacles as well. This should be an interesting reign I think.

I'll post more detailed report about the last 20 years of my reign later.

PS
Dont worry about the GA points, we lead with 19, the second are the Byzantines.


Regards,
EC

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-20-2004, 21:29
Could you put up a zip file? I dont actually know what .rar is or how to 'unrar' it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Eastside Character
02-20-2004, 22:17
Quote[/b] (o_loompah @ Feb. 20 2004,14:29)]Could you put up a zip file? I dont actually know what .rar is or how to 'unrar' it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif
The Polish 1138.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/The%20Polish%201138.zip)

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-21-2004, 00:35
Thanks I will try it out in the morning.

Chimpyang
02-21-2004, 13:12
I just had a look at the savegame file, looks good i have to say I reckon Novogrod can be defeated if we can crush their only large stack which seems to be threatening Lithuania.
Allying with France may be a good idea, they might be grateful as they have no allies but thatll give us a bad name with the English, but France does seem to be winning the fight against BOTH the HRE and Englnad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif. I'd also say, get back on neutral term with the Hungarians. We don't esp need their territory to win and they have quite a few big stacks near Poland and Silesia. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-21-2004, 19:35
Well I played two years -

1138 - invaded Hungary and Carpathia, wthdrew from the latter as there were 1300 Huns to 540 Poles, but the Hungarians abandoned Hungary http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Anyway massive looting job followed as we prepared to abandon the province and treasury rose to 3,600fl. The Pope ticked us of and excommed the French.

1139 - attempt to take Crimea with only 160 men, turns out there are 220 Russians so invasion aborted.

More tomorrow.

Eastside Character
02-21-2004, 19:59
Nice move with Hungary o_loompah http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif I wouldnt go for Crimea, its not worth much...

Regards,
EC

Chimpyang
02-21-2004, 21:28
Wow...always thought the Hungarians were a odd bunch anyway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But i'm not sure how you'd justify that attack though (ok so they were at war with us) But it might just be possible if you have the V&V of Strange or summat along the lines of that...so that he attacks a province which seems to be a strange choice or summat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

Eastside Character
02-21-2004, 22:13
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ Feb. 21 2004,14:28)]Wow...always thought the Hungarians were a odd bunch anyway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But i'm not sure how you'd justify that attack though (ok so they were at war with us) But it might just be possible if you have the V&V of Strange or summat along the lines of that...so that he attacks a province which seems to be a strange choice or summat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
Actually the war with Hungary started in 1122, and it devastated Hungarian army as far as my reign is concerned, I even once attacked them, all the details I'll post in a report from the last 20 years of my reign, tomorrow.

All I'm saying is that attacking Hungary was justified from my point of view.

Regards,
EC

Buka
02-22-2004, 10:28
My reign is going to be next in the row.
So i have some questions, 'cause it's my 1st PBEM.

1.It's GA campaign - so if i reach max points available (for Poles - by conquesting) should i focus on further expansion of realms(ultimate goal - global domination)?

2.May I use spies to provoke rebellions and use emissaries to bribe rebel warlords as an alternative to direct aggression on neighbours?

3. May assassins be used?

4. Is killing(suicide attack of assassination) of own heirs allowed to provide most promising(and maybe young) candidate for throne?


Buka

Chimpyang
02-22-2004, 11:01
Ok
1. Conquesting is ok but as long as we don't do it without good reason if it's against a non-excommed Catholic nation.

2. You can do whatever you want to get the land but i don't think we have enough of an economy to start bribing people yet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

3. Assasins may be used to get rid of a annoyin agent but they can only be used on : Inquisitors (cos they're really annoying) Emmisarys, any muslim agent, any orthodox agent and any general.
This means it's a no-no if you want to kill any priests or Cardinals and also THE POPE. Yes i know he can be annoying but in those days you wouldn't kill god representative on earth would you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ?

4. Um technically no...but since it doesn't show on the savegame you could do it and not tell us, but there is a fun element to trying to rule with a screwed up royal line (look at the French one for instance).

hope this answered your questions
Chimpyang

Buka
02-22-2004, 15:50
Thanks Chimpyang.

another question...
Is it ok to use save-reload(sometimes many times) method of playing? Or i should be responsible for my actions and face consequences during playing this PBEM campaign

Chimpyang
02-22-2004, 16:08
hmm....responsibility..definately..otherwise it becomes a little too easy as we'd just re-fight a closely lost battle. Plus it wasnt eally how the game was designed to be played was it?
Dont worry about the consequences..things happen during a PBEm we'll just roll with the punches. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Eastside Character
02-23-2004, 15:11
The Glorious Reign of King Wladyslaw II

part 2 (covers last 20 years of the reign)



AD 1119
After conquering Lithuania and Kiev in 1118, both Prince Henry, and Prince Casimir, decided to assault besieged forts. This gave us complete control over those lands. A slow process of rebuilding and developing new regions had started. The King knew the war with Novgorod would not end soon, and therefore was determined to continue what he had once started. This, unfortunately, was not meant to be his only concern, during the rest of his reign...

AD 1122
This was the year to remember. The Hungarians, a catholic nation that never wanted to accept our offer of an alliance, now attacked us.
Poland invaded This news reached His Majesty the King in his residence in Pomerania, Poland fell to Hungarian forces...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1122polandlosttohungary.jpg

This was an unexpected event and the Polish were completely unprepared to face Hungarian knights led by one of their heirs, Prince Laszlo. But even thought Poland was lost, the enemy did not destroy much, and Krakow castle was well supplied. The King's plan was not, however, to wait. As soon as he realized what the situation was really like, riders were sent to all bordering with Poland provinces to call out the army.

AD 1123
And so the King led his army to retrieve the lost domain. A land of his father, and of father of his father, Poland. The Hungarian Prince who was besieging Krakow castle fled as soon as he heard the news of approaching army. Poland was ours again

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1123polandretrieved.jpg

(I was really surprised by that Hungarian attack, I didnt want to start from the save but kept playing. It was a bit dangerous for our GA points tho, as Poland was lost in 1122 and the counting of points was scheduled on 1125. Well, anyway I retrieved Poland before that, and so we scored really high.)

AD 1127
Few years later, after Poland was rebuilt, and its garrisons strenghtened, a new attack of the Hungarians took place. An expedition of horse archers and knights under the command of vigoruos Prince Bela arrived to Moldavia. Sadly, our garrison consisting mostly of woodsmen, was not strong enough to resist the enemy. Moldavia was lost At least so it seemed...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1127moldavialost.jpg

AD 1128
The King was mad at his advisers and field generals. But having in mind that his royal brother, Prince Casimir is stationing with an army in Kiev, the King sent him a letter in which he ordered him to gather an army and lift the siege of Cetatea Alba castle in Moldavia.

Unfortunately, Prince Casimir did not have enough forces to perform a successful counter strike and protect Kiev at the same time. In this situation the solution was to hire mercenaries to support forces liberating Moldavia and guard Kiev against Novgorod's raids. There were also some woodsmen called from Volhynia to join the main forces of Prince's army already in Moldavia. The Polish army was stronger in numbers, but the enemy general had more experience in commanding his men.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1128princecasimirrecapturesmoldavia.jpg

The battle was very short, and the enemy general (Prince Bela) was killed... An heir to Hungarian throne had lost his life because of the ambitions of his proud and lazy father. Prince Casimir on the other hand proved his skills in fighting as a trully brave knight.

(Chronicles from that year also often point out that while Prince Casimir was fighting in Moldavia, the command over the Kiev's garrison was left to a mercenary general, who happened to be a Hungarian... )

In the same year, the famous Prince Henry (conqueror of Prussia, Volhynia and Lithuania) added Chernigov to our country, cunningly taking advantage of Novgorod's struggle in Volga.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1128princehenrytakeschernigov.jpg

AD 1129
After conquering Chernigov, Prince Henry assaulted its castle gaining full control over the province.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1129aprincehenrydefendschernigov.jpg

This was not the only battle that took place that year tho. Hungarian king wanted to avenge the death of his son Bela and had sent two of his other sons with their armies, one to Poland, and one to Moldavia. As it turned out later, none of siblings was meant to return home alive...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1129ckingdefendspoland.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1129bprincecasimirdefendsmoldavia.jpg

AD 1130
From now on, until the end of King Wladyslaw II's reign the Hungarians never again attacked. Having lost most of their royalty and other valorous units, they were not much of a threat anymore. Prince Henry, who conquered Chernigov the year before, was now awarded by the King with holdings in Lithuania. By that time he was at the top of his glory.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1130afterassaultingchernigovcatlse.jpg

Following years (1131-1135) brougth a short period of relative peace, only few times disturbed by Novgorod's attempts to recapture Chernigov. There were also diplomatic efforts being made to strengthen Poland's position on the international agenda. But the new King of Hungary did not want to accept the peace treaty. He remembered too well what happened to all of his brothers, and in his stupidity was unable to see the benefits the peace would certainly bring to his realm.

AD 1136
That year Prince Henry led his army again, this time to Smolensk, which was left almost unguarded by the Novgodor. It was a mistake Prince Henry knew how to use to his advantage.

AD 1137
But the very next year the Novgorod retaliated. An army led by its Prince invaded Smolensk. The battle itself was bloody and disastrous for the Polish forces. Prince Henry, the best general of King Wladyslaw II's army had been killed in the battle
He died at he age of 46.


This is King Wladyslaw II a year before he died:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1136aking.jpg

And this is the condition of a state at the beginning of King Mieszko III's reign:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/PolishPBM1138astate.jpg

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I consider my reign to be particularly successful.
And so I declare King Wladyslaw II to be known as...

King Wladyslaw II The Great



Regards,
EC

econ21
02-23-2004, 16:08
Well played EC - a particularly successful reign, I agree

Eastside Character
02-23-2004, 16:29
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ Feb. 23 2004,09:08)]Well played EC - a particularly successful reign, I agree
Thank you sir. It's nice to hear something like that from a veteran.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Regards,
EC

Chimpyang
02-23-2004, 17:46
hmm i must agree the reason for the war is extremely valid (those un-christian Hungarians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif ) I'm pretty amazed at how much land you managed to swipe from Novogrod and the Rebels http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Poland's all set to be a great nation http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Eastside Character
02-23-2004, 19:04
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ Feb. 23 2004,10:46)]I'm pretty amazed at how much land you managed to swipe from Novogrod and the Rebels http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Well, what can I say.... It's Total War, isn't it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Regards,
EC

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-23-2004, 21:08
Hi guys,
I am a bit swamped at work at the moment, had to go in yesterday (sunday) instead of playing, I am afraid I wont be able to get on with the campaign unitl wednesday/thursday evening. Will post then.

Eastside Character
02-26-2004, 22:02
Any news from KIng Mieszko III?

Chimpyang
02-28-2004, 20:41
We can only presume that his work overtime is taking longer than we/he expected.

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-29-2004, 00:36
Sorry about the delay Finally got ot play some more today:
____

1138 - Invaded Hungary and Carpathia. In Carpathia there are 1,100 Hungarians and only 600 Poles. the commander wisely decided to withdraw. But in Hungary the enemy retreated, massive destruction and looting followed, and when the King returned to Warsaw the coffers were bursting with over 3,000 florins. A tenth is dispatched to placate the Pope who has threatend to excommunicate his most catholic subjects

1139 - The King refused to go to the wedding of Prince Boleslaw and Princess Ingrid of Denmark. Instead he attends the weding of his Aunt with the French Dauphin, but the Clergy are horrified when the King breaks our alliance with catholic England in favour of the excommed French, to placate them the alliance with muslim Egypt is also enede. Scouts report Catholic bandits and Loyalists rebels in Hungary. Sneak attack on Crimea fails.

1140 - In Lithuania many mercenaries are recruited (1,400 fl) as preparations for the final assault on the Russian savages are copmpleted. A bishop is sent to the heathen Finns.

1141 - Balastian's bandits take Hungary, and the Hungarians flee to Carpathia. You would think all those feudal knights would have put up a better fight? Now they will threaten Poland and Moldavia. The King of Hungary refuses a third peace offer.Those mercs are extremely expensive, the treasury is at 300 fl, running a projected loss of 495 fl Must fight Objective - secure Lithuania The campaign strategy:
- Lord Niemoj (0*, 330) --> Moscow, Prince Chort (6*, 220)
- Jagillion (2*, 1,240) --> Novgorod, King Vladimir (5*, 750)
- Boleslaw (2*, 760) --> Smolensk, Lord Dmietriov (0*, 380)
- Lord Miejka in Chernigov with 500 watches the Russians in Prezemsyl and Ryazan, while the Duke of Prussia commands 160 men in Lithuania.

1142 - While the war rages in the East the King attends more weddings in the West, Princesses have been offloaded to Denmark and Sicily. Meanwhile the Byz turned down an offer for one of their Princesses from Prince Kaziemierz, who is increasingly irritated by the lack of action.

But he got action of a different kind, the Hungarians invaded Moldavia, 740 men against 820. Nothing much ot report - they marched up to our positions, exchanged arrow fire, then charged. Woodsmen and urban militia flanked the enemy and Prince Kaz killed the Hungarian general himself. Victory 210 casualties to 440 inflicted and 61 prisoners (ransomed - need cash).

Oh you want to know about the battles in Russia? Well they were lousy, Novgorod and Moscow were abandoned, 1,500 fl looted. But in Smolensk a cornered Prince Andrej (4*) stood his ground, in a very nasty affair the Russians hid their foot in a forest and cavalry a little behind. Prince Boleslaw marched up to them and begin shooting when the Russian vikings and spears charged out. Woodsmen and urban militia marched flanked them, but on the other side of the battle field the enemy cav charged One, then two spears routed (hmmm), the Steppe cav rout (crap), then Russian vikings + peasant rout, followed by spears - Hurray Militia/woods/spears swing about and slug it out with the boyars, not very pretty - 400 dead to 400 killed, and no prisoners. Extra masses are said in all Churches for the Byz inf mercs who saved the day

Meanwhile the Russians from Prezymsyl try to take Chernigov in a half hearted attempt, Lord Herman thumps them (autoresolved).

The Situation as it stands now -
The Russians have:
- Prince Chort (6*) in Ryazan with 160 men.
- 300 men in Prezymsyl.
- 260 men in Crimea.
- King Vlad (5*) has about 1,100 men in Finland, of which only 200 are peasants. Not good, Boleslaw has 1,300 in Novgorod, but those damn Boyars kick ass Garrisons in Moscow and Chernigov are ok, but Lithuania and Kiev are a bit weak.

There are also strong rebels in Hungary and Livonia, and the Hungarians in Carpathia have Feudal Knight from the loyalist revolt (1,100 men in all).


King Miezsko is 26, with one son (3yrs).

Eastside Character
02-29-2004, 10:15
Good job with the Russians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Smolensk was very important. And against all those Boyars I think you could use some Mounted X-bows. And is this true that there are rebels in Lithuania? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif I hope you meant Livonia.
What about the Byzantines, are they now allied with us?


Regards,
EC

Chimpyang
02-29-2004, 11:49
What are the GA scores? I'd think we'd be pretty ahead of the field after those victories. This means either Jeff or Buka gets to play against the Mongols

Eastside Character
02-29-2004, 13:03
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ Feb. 29 2004,04:49)]What are the GA scores? I'd think we'd be pretty ahead of the field after those victories. This means either Jeff or Buka gets to play against the Mongols
I was thinking about that GH invasion. Should we play as if we didnt know the Mongols would invade? Because they (o_loompah, Jeff, Buka) dont really have to go and take Khazar, Volga, and Ryazan as these lands are not really valuable. They can leave it to the Russians and the Byz and expand elsewhere...

You didnt explicitly state what to do about it Chimpyang. And will there be a second turn later?

Regards,
EC

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-29-2004, 15:21
Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ Feb. 29 2004,03:15)]Good job with the Russians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Smolensk was very important. And against all those Boyars I think you could use some Mounted X-bows. And is this true that there are rebels in Lithuania? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif I hope you meant Livonia.
What about the Byzantines, are they now allied with us?


Regards,
EC
I meant Livonia, will edit it above. I am afraid mounted xbows are too expensive, those mercenaries are killing me financially - the only infrastructure I have built is upgrade the castle in Lithuania and a couple of archery places. Anyway the next battle either in Novgorod or Finland many of them will die. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

We arent allied with Byz, they are orthodox so I assume I am allowed to beat them up when I get the chance (hopefully in a few years once the Russians are finished), and also they arent doing to well - from the GA info they have lost Constantinople, I assume to the Turks as the Turks still have Rum and so the egyptians havent gotten that far yet.

Re the mongols I think we should pretend we never heard of them and go on as normal. I inend to take Khazar in any case as Kiev-Chernigov-Muscovy is too long and will get even longer after the Russians are finshed off. Kiev-Khazar is much nicer.

Chimpyang
02-29-2004, 15:56
ok...after some though i say it'd be best (and probably more interesting) if we acted as if we didnt know about the GH, in fact i suggest leaving those provinces to the Byz/Turks as they'll provide a barrier (hopefully) for us. Also we wont have to fight a massively logn battle in which we wiupe outm ost of the GH forces, if they're stretched over more provinces we can defeat them more easily. The Byz can be beaten up as much a we like (cos they're orthodox) regardless of alliances.

Regarding the issue of second turns, i'll put all of the names into a hat then the order they come out will be the order of the second turns. (Unless more people join and finish the campaign) does that sound fair?

Eastside Character
02-29-2004, 18:30
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ Feb. 29 2004,08:56)]Regarding the issue of second turns, i'll put all of the names into a hat then the order they come out will be the order of the second turns. (Unless more people join and finish the campaign) does that sound fair?
Sounds good to me. And yes I also think it'd be nicer to leave the GH so they can establish themselves.

Regards,
EC

Chimpyang
02-29-2004, 18:38
ok i've dun the draw....the list is now for the second round

1. Eastside Character
2. Jeff
3. Chimpyang
4. Buka
5. O_loompah

If anyone has any problem with this please PM me or Post below

Eastside Character
02-29-2004, 18:45
Why are you third now? I know
You want to fight the Mongols yourself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Anyway I have no problem with that.

Regards,
EC

Chimpyang
02-29-2004, 18:52
Damn....busted http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ,
TECHNICALLY you're more likely to get the Mongol fight cos I reckon Buka/Jeff's gonna end roughly about 1240 ish...whcih might leave some for you..
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
02-29-2004, 21:31
1143 - The Battle of Mirror Lake: The Russians invade Novgorod, 1,040 attackers (King Vladimir 5*) against 1,420 defenders (Prince Boleslaw 3*). The terrain around the Russo-Finnish border is famous for its many pretty lakes and we deployed in a large forest to the left of one of them with cav behind the forest (1 khwarizm, 1 hobilar). The Russians uncertain of our position attacked around both sides of the lake: the cavalry, Boyars, Mounted x-bows and Horse archers to the south and foot and some horse archers around the north. The khwarizm were redoployed south and the hobilars north. The Russian vikings and woodsmen charge into the forest and met by our vikings/ woodsmen. Hobilars move in to flank but get caught by the Russian woodsmen in the forest and are routed. Fortunately a second flanking unit of vikings has better luck, at the same time muwahids and Italian Inf flank on the other side and all the Russians rout. The hobilars rally and take over 160 prisoners. On the south side the Russians attack piecemeal, first one urban militia, then boyars, then mounted x-bows then more boyars. Khwarizms attack the King who skirmishes away, but then attacks the Khwarizms together with HA and routs them. Meanwhile both Russian princes are dead and there are maybe 100 Russians effective left, as their reinforcements have been routed by our northern group. The Russian King withdraws leaving 350 Russian dead to 450 Poles (mostly mercs) and 390 Russian prisoners (all executed).

1144 - Invade Finland, damn them Ruskies have a new Prince, these Boyars are very annoying, loose 270 kill 200, very messy battle chasing enemy cavalry all over the place, begin seige.

1145 - Assault with all remaining mercs, success Ruskies refuse to ransom King Vlad and Prince Chort (5*) is now King in Crimea.

1146 - Invade Ryazan and Prezymsyl, small battles as Russian garrisons less than 100 each.

1147 - Can't hold either of the Russian provinces as loyalty is too low, also Finland needs huge garrison so no troops are available, have to abandon new provs. General loyalty problems throughout the Realm, including core Prussia, Volhnyia and Lithuania http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif. Cash situation still tight but at least we arent loosing money, some agri upgrades ordered.

And now for the international news: France is recognised as the greatest power in the world, emissaries report great infrastucture in Flanders and Wessex. The English only hold Aquitaine, Northumbria and Mercia. Presumably Aragonese hold Tolouse (GA info, France dont hold Tolouse). The Byz defeat Sicilians in Bulgaria and it looks like they have retaken Constantinople. The HRE has collapsed, we dont know where the Emperor is but Brandenburg has only 15 men garrison and Lord Albrecht Bar has seized Saxony, and various rebel bandits are terrorizing Bohemia, many refugees are fleeing to Poland.

1148 - The Sicilians strike back driving the Byz out of Bulgaria and Constantinople, they have 2,400 men in Bulgaria alone, albeit 1,700 of them peasants.
Last year there was finally some money and with new recruits the plan to finish of the Russians begins: Lor Jagiollion attacks Ryazan, Prince Boleslaw Prezymsyl, and Lord Herman Crimea.

1149 - All battles are won, in Ryazan all the Russians were killed in battle. Prezymsyl castle is assaulted, and given the low loyalty of many provinces, I am not going to risk a Russian re-emergence, Crimea is magnanimously abandoned, for the sake of peace.

1150 - Church bells toll around greater Poland celebrating the peace with Russia, Prince Chort only holds Crimea with 156 men. Meanwhile France is now the richest nation as well as the most powerful, and Prince Andronicus and the Byz have driven the Sicilians out of Bulgaria for the second time. Our financial situation is much improved, with 1,100 fl in the bank and a +992 fl income.

King Mieszko is 34, there are two heirs - Wladyslaw (12) and Casimir (7). Poland has 52 GA points, next are Italy with 27 and then Turks and Byz on 24 each(the losses to Sicily seem to have been quite severe).

___

I am sorry about the lack of pictures, but I dont have any webspace to post them in adn to be quite honest I dont even know how to go about doing it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

The Wizard
03-01-2004, 20:34
I could host some... PM me about it if you're interested. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



~Wiz

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-03-2004, 10:05
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/poland%20pbem%201150.jpg

Poland 1150

I hope this works - thans for the offer Wiz Eastside showed me how to upload stuff to the org.

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-03-2004, 10:06
It seem a bit too big, I will try to get it smaller next time

Oh those are the rebels in Livonia I think I will try to bribe (3,000 fl) 4* general. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Buka
03-03-2004, 17:21
Hmmm...
Where do crossbowmen come from? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
It's supposed to be early era (till 1205 A.D.)
And they are not mercs... maybe bribed rebels? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
I have MTW 1.1 and it doesn't allow to build them(if not to edit crusaders_unit_prod11.txt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

[DnC]
03-03-2004, 17:37
Those are still independant rebels Buka ;)
Had to take a second look myself at first.

Chimpyang
03-03-2004, 18:17
Looking good.....I dont think it's worth going to war with the Brzantine just yet (but you're in a better position to tell) as we seem to be relying on Mercs (which I personally dont like that much http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif but thts just me) . Otherwise you're lining up to be King Miesko The conquorer cos of the land grabs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-03-2004, 20:24
Most of the mercs are dead, very bravely too in battles in Novgorod, Finland and then assault in Finland.

You are right about taking on the Byz, we are way behind uin infrastructure, the standard french army is full of all kinds of seargents, feudal, mounted, militia. We have only have spears and woodsmen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-04-2004, 01:09
A Short Peace 1150 - 1156: Trying to build up armouries, spears adn archery workshops, town militia etc. A little slow as net income is +900, so only one or two structures can be built at a time. A port is nearly finished in Novgorod and Lithuania has a trading post. With luck there will be some Baltic trade by 1170 (?). Hungary keeps refusing all peace offers, emisaries, bishops, princesses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

1156 - The Turks rudely awaken us from our rest - they send a raiding party to Khazar, but the Byz beat them back. A quick check shows Byz only hold Wallachia, Khazar, Ryazan and the Islands. Turks and Sicilians hold everything else Khazar is a good catholic province (60%), the king declares it a protectorate and promises to defend christians from turkish depredations.

1157 - War with Byz; Aragon, Spain and Denmark cancel their alliances - who can compete with the Emperors influence? Our remaining allies are Pope, Sicily and France. Ryazan is undefended (castle will fall in 4 yrs) and in Khazar we loose 200 men for 150 enemy dead and 50 prisoners. A profitable year, 1,000fl loot, 1,000fl ransom, net treasury +3,200 fl Unfortunately the best general Prince Boleslaw (4*) who had many traumatic experiences during htge Russian wars is now merciless, bad for morale http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif .

On our borders, the Byz have 1,100 men in Wallachia (Lord Comnenus, 7*) and the Turks in Georgia have 1,200 (Amir Gazi, 6*?), though there is no open war against them.

King Mieszko is 42 IIRC, and Prince Wladislaw (2*) 20. Prince Casimir is 15.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/poland%20pbem%201158.jpg

Demon of Light
03-04-2004, 11:37
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ Feb. 29 2004,09:38)]ok i've dun the draw....the list is now for the second round

1. Eastside Character
2. Jeff
3. Chimpyang
4. Buka
5. O_loompah

If anyone has any problem with this please PM me or Post below
If you're having trouble finding kings, I bet I can rustle you up a few...

Or was it always your intention to cycle through the list again?

Chimpyang
03-04-2004, 17:53
No..if you can find more kings it'll be great...but the recycling thing was only in case we didnt have enough to finish off the campaign.

Demon of Light
03-05-2004, 02:55
I asked a friend who has version 1.1 to take the game. He's agreed. His screen name will likely be Omneleupi so you can put him down as that.

Eastside Character
03-06-2004, 14:00
Any news from king Mieszko III?

*ghost of king Wladyslaw II emerges
Dooooo youuuuuuuu heeeeeeeeeear meeeeeeeee my soooon ? ?
*the ghost cried out* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Regards,
EC

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-07-2004, 08:55
Ok King Mieszko hasnt fallen ot the 56 year disease. I think the situation is quite good as it stands. I will post the liks to the pics once the .org fairies unzip them and put them up in the folder (thank you mods and .org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif )

_
1158 - Lord Comnenus tries to break out of the siege in Ryazan. He is a mighty champion, singlehandedly killing over 25 steppe cavalrymen and Lord Jagillieonocyk and 6 men of his body guards (RKs). In all we loose 52 men to their 64 and take 7 prisoners.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Poland%20PBEM%20Comnenus%20RYAZAN%201158.JPG

A Byz force of 635 also invade Moldavia, but only five return http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. Lord Herman's star is ascending swiftly (from 0* to 3* in a series of battles starting ith the autoresolved in Prezymsyl).

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Poland%20PBEM%20MOLDAVIA%201158.JPG

The Turks have massively reduced there armies in Georgia - is this a trap?

1159 - King Mieszko send an invisible messenger to the Russian King, bearing gifts of blue paint and new horseshoes. The visible emmisaries fail to secure peace with either the Byz or the Hungarians. In a great victory for Catholicism, the crusading French have taken Constantinople So that is where the Turks have gone Prince Wladyslaw is ordered to to assemble an army to deal with the rebels in Livonia.

1160 - Alas, the Turks have retaken Constantinople The have many powerful armies and skilled generals But that didnt save the Byz did it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif It also appears that the Queen has finally convinced the King that she is prettier than the King's invisible mistress - after a gap of 16 years, suddenly there have been two new Princes and a Princess

A Second Era of Peace:

1161 - 1172 Given the lull in the Byzantine war, we assail the rebels. Prince Wladyslaw takes Livonia (where Prince Casimir dies with 500 Poles and 400 Livonians). In 1162 the Danes take Saxony, we respond by seizing Bohemia (1163). The Foreign service reports two great coups Poland has the largest armies in the world and Princess Swastewa marries King Harald of Denmark himself Unfortunately the Danes immediately break the alliance in favour of the Byz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif. Meanwhile the Italians have driven the Sicilians out of Italy, our cousin King Roger was captured and executed by the criminals and the new King,Geoffrey, is reduced to Bulgaria and Greece. The Pope is so incensed by this vile deed that he excommunicates the Italian Doge. In 1168 Spain destroys the Almohads. While Spain is a good catholic brother, it means that the Egyptians are unlikely to distract the Turks as they will likely be too busy to the west.

1172 - the Year of Joy Unbounded: Poland commissions its first warship in Novgorod. Prince Leszek comes of age and the King survives the 56 year disease unscathed. Poland is also recognized as the most powerful Realm in Europe and the richest, and the French are excommed for the second time.

1174 - Poland has a navy All expenditure is halted to build ships round the clock in Novgorod and Lithuania.

King Mieszko is 58, having reigned for 36 years. Prince Wladyslaw is 36, Leszek 19, and young Prince Henry 15. The treasury is at 800fl with a net +900fl.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Poland%20PBEM%201174.JPG

Chimpyang
03-07-2004, 10:39
Well done o_loompah...I still need to look at the savegmae but all seems well. In regard to your PM I don't really mind either way but i think its better if you asked Jeff and Buka if they mind waiting as they are next to play. Oh yeah..if you want kill of the crowns prince cos he's a lil too old http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-09-2004, 11:03
Well I played a bit late last night, Mieszko died after four more years. Its 1178 and Wladyslaw III is king

I will upload the files when I get home. Who is next?

Buka
03-09-2004, 17:18
I guess it's me...
Anything left to conquer?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-09-2004, 18:01
Quote[/b] (Buka @ Mar. 09 2004,10:18)]I guess it's me...
Anything left to conquer?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
you had better gird your loins up for the mongols http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Chimpyang
03-09-2004, 18:06
well...i looked at the latest savegame and theres plenty left to conqueor, the only concern is that you king is alittle old (40 i think) so you may get another to play with if he dies really soon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-lost.gif

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-09-2004, 20:04
The King is dead Long live King Wladyslaw III

Well in the event, Mieszko lived only four more years to 1178.

The years 1174 - 1178 were just as peaceful as the ten before them, with an emphasis on developing trade. Diplomatic ties with the French were immproved with a double marriage of Prince Henry and Prince Louis (they took one of the princesses, don't know which Prince though). Peace negotiations with Hungary and the Byzantines failed, and Spain and Denmark rejected alliance offers. Meanwhile the Aragonese were eliminated by France. Denmark has a nice little Scandanavian empire, and the Papal/Sicilian alliance seems to have given the Italians a drubbing - they no longer hold Venice and Tuscany.

The King died peacefully in his castle drawing up plans for the Jagioellan University (new GA goal, will be long time before we get there). He reigned forty years, and though Polish armies conquered many territories, the King never fought a battle himself.

We lead in GA with 59 pts, well ahead of everyone else. The Turks are second on 42, followed by Italy on 35. The treasury is at 1,500 fl with a net +1,000 fl.
King Wladyslaw should also note the high risk of revolt in Smolensk Also ex-Prince Boleslaw (4*) and ex-Prince Lezsek (2*) are now 'normal' generals and the governorships of Livonia and Pomernia have command bonuses

_


I will PM Buka wiht the email account and post links as they appear on the upload site.

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-09-2004, 20:17
hmmm Idont seem to be able to PM for some rason, but anyway the PBM uploads seem to appear straight away:

Poland 1178 link (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/The%20Polish%201178PBEM.zip)

Food luck Buka

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-12-2004, 17:59
Buka - do you have the game? Any news?

Chimpyang
03-12-2004, 20:43
yes...any news from King Wladyslaw III?

Buka
03-13-2004, 22:17
The reign of King Wladislaw III ended.

Short Chronicles

1178 Reing started
1179 Building of the Castle of Krakow began
1186-87 Raid to Carpathia (autoresolve of attack and siege)
1187-89 Raid to Wallahia (autoresolve of attack and siege)
1191 Castle of Krakow complete, lets build fortress
1192 Emmisary from Hungarian King proposed peace
1195 All mercs(which i found) were disbanded
1196 peace with Italy
1197 First ship from Kiev shipwright sailed to Black sea
Pease with HRE
1198 Bribed two band of rebels in Brandenburg
1203 Great news Northen trading route(Novgorod etc) joined southern trade route (Kiev, Khazar, Moldavia)


King died in 3 weeks after receiving this news.
Those were 25 peaceful years for Poles(only 4 minor battles).Economic rised (4 more years to end building of Citadel of Krakow, and many castles were about to be finished all over kingdom).
After Wladislaw's death people called him Wladislaw Master of Seas


The Polish 1203PBEM.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/The%20Polish%201203PBEM.zip)

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-13-2004, 22:48
Well Done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

I would have thought building the citadel would be quite a bit harder A bit more detail would be nice though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Eastside Character
03-13-2004, 23:21
Any pics Buka? What was your King like?

Regards,
EC

nightcrawlerblue
03-14-2004, 00:01
Are there still spots open? If so I'll try. I'm not very experienced with handling large nations though. Also, I like to auto some battles (I'm not sure if that's allowed).

Buka
03-14-2004, 06:41
Sorry guys, no pics, didn't do shots during game.
I could have posted pic of my king with his specs, but couldn't find how to post them on that forum... did search but couldn't find anything.

Wladislaw became king at 40 years old with v&vs:
Natural Leader
Argumentative
Honourable Warrior

Actually rather combat centric king.
But kingdom was vast and economics poor.
It was enough for Wladislaw of battles and bloodshed in this early years. Becoming king in mature age had its advantages.

Vast kingdom is nothing without good management.
Also new GA task emerged, and it appeared hard to achieve.
+978 fl.

The last year king was 64 with v&vs:
Natural Leader
Argumentative
Honourable Warrior
Magnificent Builder
Steward
Occasional Mercy

Empire extended by only 3 provinces more Brandenburg, Wallahia & Carpathia. Treasury had +7545 (+8595 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif next year when great trade route was established and king died) there were no wars with neighbors and former foes became allies.
1199-1202 are remebered as years when every single province had something to build.


Someone could call Wladislaw coward but people remember his reign as years of peace and prosperity.


PS i played that game in evening Saturday 13 only, had lots more work to do during week then i expected, sorry for delays.

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-14-2004, 14:54
This is a pic of Wladyslaw at the beginning of his reign (last one I took).

Who is up next?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/poland%20pbem%201178%20wladyslaw%20iii.jpg

Chimpyang
03-14-2004, 17:09
it should be jeff but i havent heard from him for a while so the next one will be Omneleupi the possibly Nightcrawlerblue but i havent heard fro, Omneleupi at all so i'll have to ask Demon to get him in touch with me.

Demon of Light
03-16-2004, 01:22
When you decide that Omneleupi is next, let me know and I'll have him play.

Chimpyang
03-16-2004, 17:49
He's next......cos i havent heard from Jeff at all. Where are you mate?

Demon of Light
03-17-2004, 10:56
I'm going to see him tomorrow so I'll let him know

Chimpyang
03-20-2004, 20:19
Well it's been 3 days now so we'll jsut continue and therefore nightcrawlerblue is our next king.

nightcrawlerblue
03-21-2004, 01:59
Ok. Hopefully I'll be able to finish by Sunday. I won't have much time on the weekdays. Maybe I'll have a diseased king... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Edit: Doh I donloaded the wrong savegame Downloading the RIGHT savegame now. Sorry for a bit of delay http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

Demon of Light
03-21-2004, 07:44
OK. I'll tell him not to play what he downloaded.

nightcrawlerblue
03-21-2004, 18:48
Hey guys i'm sorry but I won't have the time to play it today and I won't have any time during the weekdays so you'll have to skip me. I'm really sorry for wasting your time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif.

Chimpyang
03-21-2004, 19:37
lol, also tell him I'm very sorry. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif.
Erm nightcrawler, it dusnt matter...the PBEM can wait until nxt weekend....we're not (well i'm not) in tht much of a rush to get this finished and i'm pretty sure the next persobn wont mind waiting for a bit.

nightcrawlerblue
03-22-2004, 01:46
So I should play it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

Demon of Light
03-22-2004, 09:24
How about if Omneleupi starts it off? Girlfriends not withstanding, he has a pretty good chance of having the game done by Saturday. Even if not, he'll be able to start the game before nightcrawlerblue. He's already jealously eyeing Lord FitzGilbert in Northumbria...

nightcrawlerblue
03-22-2004, 20:21
Fine with me. By next week/whenever I get it I should have much more time (I've been doing double days of school this week). I've had an unusually busy month so far http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

Chimpyang
03-22-2004, 20:44
Ok sure thing......tell him to play the thing he;'s downloaded (this is rly confusing me now ) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif . Apologise again 4 me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif .
Cheers

nightcrawlerblue
03-22-2004, 22:22
Okay, so the current lineup is this?

Omneleupi
Jeff (if he shows up)
NightcrawlerBlue

Hopefully I'll get a better king because the current one in 1203 stinks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif.

Demon of Light
03-23-2004, 03:10
Tell me about it. I took a look at Konrad and he's a disaster. An idiot with no grasp of how to command troops.

nightcrawlerblue
03-23-2004, 03:12
Yeah. I was trying to find out how to roleplay an idiot who had no loyalty, piety, dread, or command

Chimpyang
03-23-2004, 17:46
Ok, I've recieved a PM from Jef, basically aking me to carry on without him. So in his wishes we shall

Sorry to heard the king is rubbish, it's TW isn't it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif occasionally you get a really rubbish one whihc in our case we will have to deal with.

Demon of Light
03-25-2004, 07:46
With a little luck, the next guy shouldn't be as hopeless.

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-26-2004, 14:12
Perhaps the best way to roleplay it woul be to do nothing, just keep hitting end year. Then when the mongols sho up...

I had a look at the save game, Konrad is baaaaaaaaad, I ma surprised he wasnt sent to Ireland or something, strange his dad Wladyslaw was ok.

nightcrawlerblue
03-26-2004, 18:11
I know how to roleplay Konrad

King Konrad the prideful was walking along one day when he came upon a large boulder.
Konrad: I'll break it with my head. I know jukungitsu you know...
Royal Guard: Jukungitsu...? Sir I think this is a bad idea.
Konrad: Nonsense. I can do anything HIYA
WHAP http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif... And that was the end of king Konrad... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Demon of Light
03-27-2004, 08:28
I'll mention the helpful suggestions to Omneleupi. It looks like he'll take a little while yet. I needed his help with something today so I kept him from playing. He's also got to spend quality time with his girlfriend. Don't worry though. He's definately getting the job done.

nightcrawlerblue
03-27-2004, 15:42
That's fine with me. I'm going to Six Flags today (yay) so I wouldn't be able to play anyway.

o_loompah_the_delayer
03-28-2004, 20:11
what is six flags? a golf course?

Sir Zack de Caldicot
03-28-2004, 20:40
Quote[/b] ]what is six flags? a golf course?

No, NO, It is an Amusement park (a big one) but, I forget exactly where http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

nightcrawlerblue
03-28-2004, 21:34
All over the place. I went to the one in New Orleans. I'm not a theme park person so it was mostly for my sister. She had gone to someone's house and we met her at SF. The only two rides I wanted to go on I couldn't because they were log flumes and the wind was really cold. There was one ride that probably created like 12+ foot waves when you hit the water.

Omneleupi
03-29-2004, 01:44
I am Lord Czaglyk. Emperor Konrad has charged me with being his personal scribe and I take this position with pride. My father fought bravely for his, and so I have been given my own contingent in the Polish Army. I only hope I can serve my lord well.

THe year is 1203, The former king is dead and my King now heads towards Poland to honor his father's memory and oversee completion of the citadel his father was building. Only two years have passed and our emperor is troubled by the tyrannical acts of a neighbor. With the King still fresh in his reign and his father's death still fresh in his mind, the attack by the Novgorod nation has upset him greatly. He has dispatched all nearby forces to retaliate.

1206 - Word has spread to all nations of the brutal power my lord wields. The nation of Novgorod has been utterly crushedfor their transgression and their deaths shall be an example to all those around us that our King will not tolerate such blasphemous acts.

Chimpyang
03-29-2004, 18:32
Wooh Now that the Russians are dust we ca nfocus our attentino to the Byzantines or Turks (or building).

nightcrawlerblue
04-03-2004, 00:23
Um... When is he gonna finish?

Chimpyang
04-03-2004, 18:46
Patience young one (am i right there?), PBEM's are supposed to fit around your life, not take over them.

o_loompah_the_delayer
04-03-2004, 22:27
maybe he has been buggered by the mongols. How old is ythe king?

nightcrawlerblue
04-03-2004, 22:51
24 I think (maybe a bit older).

PS: Whoops. Didn't realize I accidentally double posted in my last post.

Demon of Light
04-04-2004, 00:16
Patience indeed. On account of birthday celebrations, he'll be out until Monday. He's also being asked to work a little extra so...yeah. Patience.

The king is 38 (I think)

nightcrawlerblue
04-06-2004, 02:42
You may have to skip my turn. I just got a new computer (well it was my dad's and it's a 1 1/2 years old but it is such an improvement from my old one I don't care) so I have to get everything set up. It depends how long Omneliup takes but if it is within the next few days I may have to skip.

Demon of Light
04-06-2004, 06:05
With the way his schedule is working, that should most assuredly NOT be a problem.

Chimpyang
04-06-2004, 09:20
lol

o_loompah_the_delayer
04-06-2004, 10:09
could we have a screenie?

Chimpyang
04-12-2004, 11:23
Ok can we please have an updat Demon? how long until we get the file?

Demon of Light
04-17-2004, 05:28
Good news and bad news. Good news is that Omneleupi played the game today for a few years. It is currently 1210. Bad news has to do with a battle he fought. He was right in the middle of it when his dinner finished cooking. He sat down to eat and went back to the battle. One small problem. He didn't pause the battle. Needless to say, he'll be playing the game from the last autosave.

Demon of Light
04-21-2004, 17:38
He's played, he has a write-up and he's working on a screenshot. He also can't log in from his home computer so that's why you keep hearing all this stuff from me.

Omneleupi
04-25-2004, 04:25
My lord oversaw the completion of his father's citadel in Poland when news of a Turkish attack reached our lord. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Vengeance still fresh from the hated Nordfolk, he hastened to personally oversee the decimation of the hated Turks. Already at war with the Turks, our Byzantine allies have offered to help wherever possible.

Over the next three years, my lord managed not only to sink most of the Turkish ships, but also to build a sizable army. On the fourth year of war, my lord himself led the attack on Constantinople, stolen from our Byzantine allies, and we plan to take it from them This site was chosen because most of the filthy Turkish royalty reside there, including the simpering sultain himself.

With the successful attack on Constantinople, the Sicilians assaulted us but the Holy Father himselfbroke his alliance with them and granted us his blessing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-angel.gif Again our King marches, this time against the Sicilian lord and his sole heir. In a decisive battle against the Sicilians, none were allowed to escape Greece from my lords wrath. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-behead.gif Though their king was not among them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-disappointed.gif, their empire was crushed none the less.

Meanwhile, his armies in Khazar, after weathering grueling battle after battle, now march upon Turkish soil. They are to start upon Georgia and march straight through Trebizond to Constantinople. While doing so we chased away several Turks from their Eastern lands but they were able to retake Constantinople. My lord has already anticipated this and again mounts a war party against them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_knight.gif

Chimpyang
04-25-2004, 11:59
wooh...another one bites the dust

nightcrawlerblue
04-25-2004, 16:07
Is he done? If so, where's the savegame?

Also: When do the horde come?

Demon of Light
04-25-2004, 23:32
He's not done yet. The Horde hasn't arrived yet but preparations are under way.

Omneleupi
04-26-2004, 07:44
In a desperate attempt secure their foothold, the Sicilian king assaulted the castle in Wallachia. Though they were outnumbered 300 to 24, the brave soldiers were successful in holding off the attack. More over, they were able to send the fated arrows unto the king and his only son, quickly punishing their impudence with lethal force. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-hanged.gif Their blasphemous actions have earned them both a special spot in the afterlife.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devil.gif --HAHAHAHAHAHA
Another blessing has come of this. My lord's son has come of age. Through witnessing his father's battles, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_duel.gif , deeds, and his own studious training, Prince Boleslaw has come of age with great skill. He has a good knack for command, and has acquired a bit of fear to his name. He marches to protect the newly reconquered Constantinople, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif and his natural skills as a leader show proudly as he rallies the troops.

Omneleupi
04-26-2004, 07:58
One important sidenote that hasn't been mentioned is that there is a great need for good generals. As a result of this, Omneleupi entered the free agency market. The pickings were slim but the acquisition of Strongbow FitzGilbert adds much needed depth to Poland's command situation.

Demon of Light
04-26-2004, 08:11
That last post was mine. Omneleupi forgot to log off when he was done using my computer and I forgot to log myself in to post. Just clarifying in case anyone thought it odd that he would refer to himself in the third person.

Anyhow, the screenshot is giving us problems. Neither his computer nor my own can open the screenshots he took. Can someone volunteer to take the files and make them display for a screenshot here?

Chimpyang
04-26-2004, 16:55
Strongbow Fitzgilbert........isnt he like a 6* general (from experience in English Games), and how did you acquire him?

Chimpyang
04-26-2004, 16:58
Oh and send me some of the files in a zip (angli_@hotmail.com or zentra_man@yahoo.co.uk if over 1.5 mb) and tell me which bits you need. Or go download the program IrFanview as suggested by Katank in Kingdom of Aragorn.

nightcrawlerblue
04-27-2004, 02:30
How did he buy a general? Didn't know you could do that...

So... Um... Is it my turn? I need the savegame...

Demon of Light
04-28-2004, 06:53
Strongbow was sitting in Northumbria and one can only assume that he was feeling despondant over the collapse of the English monarchy. In an effort to alleviate his pain, an emissary was dispatched to offer him the opportunity to serve a new King and a new country with exciting possibilities for expansion. Strongbow's principles were already suspect so the several thousand florins the emissary carried with him were more than enough incentive to him to join the Polish cause.

Nightcrawler: I'll tell him. His workweek is a bit shorter now (From 65 hours to 50) so he's devoting more of his time to Poland. There is a limit though on how quickly he can do this while continueing to post. There is also a limit on how often I can remind him to play Poland. Omneleupi's constraints are work related and mine have to do with my probable lifespan if my best friend (also Omneleupi's girlfriend) should come to believe his gaming interferes with her time with him (currently a limited commodity).

Chimpyang
04-29-2004, 18:03
lol...what a way o knick a general. So we havbe northumbira as well now?

Demon of Light
05-07-2004, 08:36
Everyone involved apologizes for the delay. I witnessed a pivotal battle and figured I could do one of Omneluepi's write-ups. The year is 1221 and Emperor Konrad the Intellectual Midgit (and please let this not be the name he goes under) is 51.

Also, I figure that since Omneleupi doesn't come here very often and as such isn't likely to read this before the Mongols arrive, I can let everyone in on a little something here. He's not prepared for the Mongols. I asked and he said he was working on it but I am skeptical in the extreme. First, his income is going for other purposes in the near future. That delays troop training for at least a while. Second, he's stretched thin. I don't think he can muster the troops necessary to defend Khazar when the time comes. Third, some of his best troops are inland. Not a big deal in 1221 but if he forgets them there (which he may since he's juggling alot of priorities) then he'll encounter problems in 1230. Fourth, his generals are less than encouraging. His best one is Strongbow Fitzgilbert at 6 stars. He'll have to use him in battle to have a chance. If the Mongols invade in more than one province, (as often happens) he'll have problems finding a second good general. If Strongbow dies in battle, big problems. Strongbow is irreplacable right now. Fifth, Omneleupi is juggling alot of real world priorities. That sometimes makes it difficult to plan things with any consistancy. Sixth, Omneleupi is still kinda new at the game and has never faced the Horde in 1230(this could count as two reasons but I don't want to upset everyone TOO much). He's always playing the Germans and advances to the west at a sort of slow pace. Being relatively new to the game causes its own problems as he lacks the benefit of the sophisticated anti-Mongol tactics I've seen here. Also, inexperience shows. Don't know how it might in this case but we will see.


Also, yes. We do have Northumbria.

Chimpyang
05-07-2004, 17:36
Hmmmm....Will he or wont he repel the mongols?...keep tuned people cos summat specials gonna happen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

nightcrawlerblue
05-07-2004, 20:32
This doesn't seem all that good. He might end up making me look really terrible when the mongols blow me away (if he doesn't beat them)...

Demon of Light
05-10-2004, 08:19
Omneleupi is playing a battle next to me so I thought I'd give a play by play. (I asked. He's cool with it)
-------------------
Diary of a nameless soldier:

We approached the last stronghold of Turkish power in sometime around mid-morning. Out in the distance of the forested hills, we saw the remnants of the once mighty Turkish army. Our own forces consisted of spearmen, mounted crossbows, and knights. The heir himself marched at the head of our army.

We thought they would first retreat to a defensible position. We were wrong. Skirmishers charged up at us at loosed volleys of arrows as they were supported by ballista crews. Men fell. Clutching at bloody throats and chests, our brave men fell. But soon we were upon them. Rather than offer battle at this time though, the Turkish army fell back. We caught up to a few of them but even that was a mixed blessing. As we slaughtered a couple of militia units, we were delayed and the Turks ran up the hill and awaited our arrival.

It was at this time that something peculiar happened. The Turkish Sultan, Murad, came down the hill and began taunting us. Numerous were his suggestions regarding what parts of our anatomies we could place in what orifaces and the varied activities and sexual prowess of our respective mothers. He became a magnet. 500 spear toting sargents rushed to meet him and soon he was surrounded with half his guard dead. The day was ours. DAMMIT The day was won We needed but to have a single spear plunged into the dark heart of that royal fool

In vain did our men strive though and soon Murad's plan became clear. His brother led a cavalry charge straight into the backs of our exposed sargents. The mass of spearmen shuddered, stood for a moment, then collapsed. Five units of grizzled veterans loaded their pants like a bunch of green recruits and ran. Twenty valiant knights charged in to relieve pressure on the craven whoresons and give them a chance to rally. The four that survived joined the rout. Another group of knights were impetuous and charged before it was prudent. They too joined the rout. Our lines had collapsed and where was our valiant heir? Still upon the hillock we started upon observing the battle.

Our men were ridden down by Murad, his brother Ali and camels. Reinforcements began to arrive and it looked like we could reform and still win. Our mounted crossbows still rained death on them and they were disorganized after their success. But at the moment our reinforcements appeared, they were deemed to be unsatisfactory. 300 men coming to aid in the fight turned around and went back to camp. I was aghast. Prince Boleslaw was supposed to be an infinately better commander than his father. WHat was going on??
I soon got my answer but it comforted me not at all. Boleslaw had been waiting for the horsemen of the Steppes. Those light cavalry men were meant to make the difference. They failed. They had some initial success and felled Ali but in vain. Murad himself retaliated and fought like ten thousand devils. Another line of our forces routed. Bloody good thing we had so many men with us. With the way Boleslaw was throwing lives away, we'd need them.

(More coming)

o_loompah_the_delayer
05-10-2004, 22:11
We should have MTW radio for the live commentary ;)

Demon of Light
05-21-2004, 23:43
Omneluepi just got more free time just as I have less of it. Just keeping y'all informed. He also apologizes for the delay.

Chimpyang
06-20-2004, 18:03
I have decided that since there has benn no respone for a long time i announce this PBEM dead.....if you wish to ressurect it, the savegame might be around somewhere but I am going to create a new one as Poland for VI 2.01.

nightcrawlerblue
06-21-2004, 00:40
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

But I don't have VI...

gah you guys are going to force me to get it with all your VI PBEMs...