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makkyo
03-17-2004, 01:56
Which game do you find the most difficult to play?
I have a tie bewteen Halo legendary and Rainbow 6: 3 as on both you need to know where everything is in order to beat a level.

makkyo
03-17-2004, 01:58
(sorry to post the infamous GAH or any others I didn't allow)

Dramicus
03-17-2004, 05:49
lol, I think Ninja Gaiden deserves to be up there.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Crandaeolon
03-17-2004, 15:21
Hmm. Depends on the player, I'd say. Some people are intrinsically better at action games, others at strategies. Also depends on difficulty. For example, Doom 2 at its hardest difficulty (Nightmare?) was just insane. I think all comparisons should be made using the difficulty level for which the game was originally designed.

Chaos Strikes Back (Amiga / ST) probably gets my vote. Very tough without outside aid.

JA 2: Unfinished Business was plenty tough even on default difficulty. So was X-Wing, IIRC. Alien versus Predator was moderately challenging with the marine.

Can't really think of any truly challenging new PC games, though. Maybe Massive Assault (retail version); the AI in MA is very good. Certainly not Morrowind, unless you're playing a pure mage.

Cazbol
03-17-2004, 16:14
I'd put my vote on Die by the Sword. Your left hand was for controlling your body WASD-style but you needed your right hand on all the num-keypad keys just to control the movement of the character's right hand swinging the sword.

frogbeastegg
03-17-2004, 16:31
X-Wing on the PC has to be the toughest game I ever played hands down, no contest...although I can still hear the Abort mission Mission a failure line from its sequel because I heard it so many times.

:Froggy remembers the mission in X-wing where you had to do some container identifying, then disable a whole fleet of very dangerous craft while fighting what seemed like millions of fighters and trying to protect some friendly mission critical craft, while flying a Y-wing (aka slow ship with the manoeuvrability of a house) all in a very strict line limit. Froggy huddles in a corner and starts to cry, thinking of the months that it took to beat that mission.:

Russian Threat
03-18-2004, 01:18
Operation Flashpoint:Resistance was one of thee most intolerably difficult games I ever played. Besides the fact that the whole OpFlashpoint series was a realistic, tactical shooter, I remember some of those missions in Resistance took weeks, many deaths and a crazy amount of reloads to complete.

Still, the game (like the original Cold War Crisis and Red Hammer campaigns) was well worth the headaches and keyboard smashes.

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RZST
03-18-2004, 03:53
its got to be Hearts of Iron, when i 1st played it i was literally dropping from my comfy chair in anguish.

everything was just confusing the shit out of me.
the 1st 5 minutes scared me so bad i quit the game and didnt play it for an entire week O.O;

Fragony
03-18-2004, 09:54
The difficulty of Ikuriga is just sadistic. I also had a very hard time with myth, even on the easiest setting.

Seven.the.Hun
03-18-2004, 10:26
shoulda been an 'other' option...as there is a game called tetris that is well known, and i believe that this game is endless if i'm not mistaken, tis impossible to beat outright, so i find this game in particular to be 'most' difficult, and if there really is no end to it, then i find it pointless and time consuming, and annoying if that's the case really

Seven.the.Hun
03-18-2004, 10:28
is there an end??? if not, or one that's impossible to reach, isnt it like trying to kindle a campfire at the bottom of a lake??? why attempt if failure is always the outcome???

frogbeastegg
03-18-2004, 10:46
Tetris never ends, it just keeps speeding up until you fail. I never understood the craze for that game.

71-hour Ahmed
03-18-2004, 12:29
TIE fighter (Sequel to X Wing) had some stupid levels in it. But that was OK as it was cool, partic. the re-release with the more up to date graphics engine. X Wing vs TIE Fighter wasn't cool though - the last levels on both sides for the Balance of Power add on put me off the series forever.

Tom Clancys Rainbow 6 games, as unless you spent ages planning it out trial and error the stupidity of your comrades would inevitably have you tearing your hair out. Oh, No.1 just died going through that door. Will I use a grenade, flashbang, charge through or wait outside? No wait I know, I'll walk through the door like nothing just happened.. BLAAMMM.

My nomination though: AvP
I loved playing Alien Vs Predator as an Alien, running along ceilings biting marines heads off en passant, but I was too scared to play as a marine or a predator once the aliens appeared. I just couldn't take it. The near total lack of sound when they came at you didn't help (was this a part of the game or the PC I played it on? )

Matt Deckard
03-18-2004, 17:44
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ Mar. 18 2004,15:46)]Tetris never ends, it just keeps speeding up until you fail. I never understood the craze for that game.
There is an end which i have only achieved once...EVER If you can get rid of ALL the lines (so there is nothing on the screen) then you've finished it.

Leet Eriksson
03-18-2004, 19:03
Ninja Gaiden,period..

that game is SO hard...i won't go in,but i've been playing for a couple of weeks now and i'm not done yet,i'm stuck trying to kill the aqueduct boss... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Bushido
03-18-2004, 21:48
Pitfall for C-64. I can't believe it isn't included in the list http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Russian Threat
03-18-2004, 22:05
Quote[/b] (faisal @ Mar. 18 2004,12:03)]Ninja Gaiden,period..

that game is SO hard...i won't go in,but i've been playing for a couple of weeks now and i'm not done yet,i'm stuck trying to kill the aqueduct boss... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
LOL...which Ninja Gaiden are you referring to (the new one)?

I remember how frustrating the original NG for the old 8-bit Nintendo Entertainment System was. I don't know what was worse...the fact the game itself was inherently impossible, or that the game had no built-in battery or password system for saved games

Starting that game over EVERY time was like a dance with delirium http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

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Leet Eriksson
03-19-2004, 03:32
the new one is pretty hard,but try getting the 50 golden scarabs that will unlock the older original game,then finish the game twice to get the sequels of the original,now thats a challenge initself

Kekvit Irae
03-19-2004, 06:13
Quote[/b] (Russian Threat @ Mar. 17 2004,18:18)]Operation Flashpoint:Resistance was one of thee most intolerably difficult games I ever played. Besides the fact that the whole OpFlashpoint series was a realistic, tactical shooter, I remember some of those missions in Resistance took weeks, many deaths and a crazy amount of reloads to complete.

Still, the game (like the original Cold War Crisis and Red Hammer campaigns) was well worth the headaches and keyboard smashes.

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Woohoo An OF fan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Antalis::
03-22-2004, 08:01
Hardest game?

Commandos, very challanging.
No rush.
You had to thing twice before you took action.


Antalis

Sjakihata
03-22-2004, 16:05
Quake is the most difficult game I ever tried. Of course this was in multiplayer 5-6 years ago. I was playing quake a lot with my friends and really good at it, so I thought. Untill we arrived at a huge LAN party (500+, at least that is a lot when you are only 14) and I signed up for the Quake competition.

I lost -5 (he kept shooting me in the magma with the rocket launcher) 53 or something.

Now that was a challenge, the hardest ever

note: the guy who beat me (in my first game) won the competition http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

The_Emperor
03-22-2004, 16:12
Hardest game ever? (thinks way back)

Lemmings I never knew anyone who could complete that...
Forget all your modern easy games, that one was Rock

I never knew anyone who could complete that one. (though I gained a lot more pleasure Nuking the poor suckers rather than getting them home) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

gaelic cowboy
03-22-2004, 18:10
I never could get my head around the alien level in Aliens versus Predator gold edition just too damm confusing half the time i got lost and then some marine would step out of nowhere and blow me away. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif
But I notice someone else above has stated they loved it but couldn't get the hang of the predator or marine I couldn't get enough of those two killing the alien queen was brill but i managed it easier than other parts of the game but I was useless at the alien too disorientating. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Sjakihata
03-22-2004, 18:20
the Wild Vikings was troublesome at times too

frogbeastegg
03-22-2004, 19:10
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Mar. 22 2004,15:12)]Hardest game ever? (thinks way back)

Lemmings I never knew anyone who could complete that...
Forget all your modern easy games, that one was Rock

I never knew anyone who could complete that one. (though I gained a lot more pleasure Nuking the poor suckers rather than getting them home) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
My uncle completed all the lemmings games, he was a lemmingoholic. His daughter was really good at the games too, but she always liked to nuke the poor green haired dopes. :remembers seeing her cousin nuking lemmings in Santa suits to the tune of Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer in the christmas lemmings game: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

I was always a wimp, I hated killing the poor stupid creatures. Brilliant series of games, and an arguement for the need for 2D games in this 3D age, lemmings would never work in 3D.

Sjakihata
03-22-2004, 21:45
ahhahaha, I know exactly what you are talking about frogg, the xmas edition of lemmings was damned hard

I bet though that lemmings have been done in 3D

Big King Sanctaphrax
03-22-2004, 22:11
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ Mar. 22 2004,18:10)]
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Mar. 22 2004,15:12)]Hardest game ever? (thinks way back)

Lemmings I never knew anyone who could complete that...
Forget all your modern easy games, that one was Rock

I never knew anyone who could complete that one. (though I gained a lot more pleasure Nuking the poor suckers rather than getting them home) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
My uncle completed all the lemmings games, he was a lemmingoholic. His daughter was really good at the games too, but she always liked to nuke the poor green haired dopes. :remembers seeing her cousin nuking lemmings in Santa suits to the tune of Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer in the christmas lemmings game: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

I was always a wimp, I hated killing the poor stupid creatures. Brilliant series of games, and an arguement for the need for 2D games in this 3D age, lemmings would never work in 3D.
They've tried, though...


Let no one speak of lemmings 3D again... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

frogbeastegg
03-22-2004, 22:24
Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ Mar. 22 2004,21:11)]Let no one speak of lemmings 3D again... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif
Nor lemmings revolution... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

I can imagine the sales pitch for that one:
Exec 1 If 3D is bad for this game why not make it wrap around a cylinder so players have camera and perspective problems ?
Exec 2 Great idea Lets add really dodgy controls too
Exec 1 I know I know We can also make the action take place all over the cylinder so the player needs to be in 4 places at once, but not allow them to see more than one place at a time
Shirt 1 Great work boys, pay rises all round

ElmarkOFear
03-26-2004, 20:41
I finished the original Lemmings game, but found the others just a rehash and never got interested enough in them to finish them.

The hardest game I ever played was one of those Myst-like games. It was awhile back and I will be darned if I can remember it. I gave it away to someone when they said they never had problems finishing a game. I finished most of the Myst games in less than 15 hours playing time and I ran thru the URU game in 10 hours of play, but this game was not logical and you had to be versed in binary algorythms to solve some of the more obscure puzzles :) hehe If I remember the darn name I will warn you away from it.

Crandaeolon
03-27-2004, 09:46
7th Guest? It had some pretty nasty puzzles IIRC...

chunkynut
04-01-2004, 12:30
Quote[/b] (Cazbol @ Mar. 17 2004,15:14)]I'd put my vote on Die by the Sword. Your left hand was for controlling your body WASD-style but you needed your right hand on all the num-keypad keys just to control the movement of the character's right hand swinging the sword.
Damn i loved this game, such a laugh and very difficult to get a handle on but when you swing that sword from 9 down to 1 and up to 7 and back down to 3 and you've loped some kobalts arms off and he's standing there waiting for the final blow.

*sighs*

My nostalgic past gaming http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Multiplayer was good too, i think i even used to play it over a serial cable Launching your character over lava or down a hole to chop off some AI or friends limb was classic.

edit: anyone remember Lemmings Paintball http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-speechless.gif

Red Yak
04-01-2004, 13:55
Hardest game ever: Rainbow Islands http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Cazbol
04-01-2004, 14:03
Quote[/b] (chunkynut @ April 01 2004,05:30)]Damn i loved this game, such a laugh and very difficult to get a handle on but when you swing that sword from 9 down to 1 and up to 7 and back down to 3 and you've loped some kobalts arms off and he's standing there waiting for the final blow.
You could also chop off an opponent's leg, sheath your sword, pick up the leg and use it to beat up the guy.
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RisingSun
04-02-2004, 03:35
One word- Ikaruga.

chunkynut
04-02-2004, 14:19
Quote[/b] (Cazbol @ April 01 2004,13:03)]
Quote[/b] (chunkynut @ April 01 2004,05:30)]Damn i loved this game, such a laugh and very difficult to get a handle on but when you swing that sword from 9 down to 1 and up to 7 and back down to 3 and you've loped some kobalts arms off and he's standing there waiting for the final blow.
You could also chop off an opponent's leg, sheath your sword, pick up the leg and use it to beat up the guy.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smoking.gif

but the controls were http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

bighairyman
04-03-2004, 00:14
I think Mafia's pretty tough. i have to play each mission at least several times to pass. i have been playing the game for a week, and still on lvl 11. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

VikingHorde
04-03-2004, 19:49
Not meny games I have played, only Quake.

Kaiser of Arabia
04-04-2004, 04:10
MIB 2 for ps2.

Kaiser of Arabia
04-04-2004, 04:11
yeah, mafia is hard, but fun

Divine Wind
04-14-2004, 16:43
Heres a list compiled by the codemasters QA team

Pacman
Commandos
Operation Flashpoint: Resistance (we can vouch for that)
Chuckie Egg
Shadow of the Beast II
Rick Dangerous
Syndicate
Tetris
Rainbow Islands
Final Fantasy VIII
Riven
Myst 3
Ninja Gaiden
Legacy of the Wizard
Ikaruga

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VikingHorde
04-17-2004, 18:55
Syndicate was fun, love those big guns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Quessa
04-18-2004, 00:19
Keep me weird but.. I never managed to achieve a touch in Duke Nukem. Yes, it's a fairly easy game 'n all, but during those times the graphics & sounds were just way too creepy for me.

Another game I in the end beated with cheats was Blood. The game itself was sadistic as Hell. You could play football (or like the yankees call it, soccer) with a head of a slain enemy. There were loads of weapons to go with, but the only useful in my hands was either the voodoo-doll or the spray-bottle.

Auxilia
04-25-2004, 21:17
I know it's a bit dated now, but X-Com 2: Terror from the Deep used to make me cry into my beer somewhat - you'd spend AGES building up your base only to get it trashed by aliens, and spend ages researching decent weapons (the entry-level hardware was puny) for your tactical squads only to have them wiped out in one move by whatever latest uber-alien that happened along http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif and have your budget slashed at around the same time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

nightcrawlerblue
04-25-2004, 21:58
Quote[/b] (Auxilia @ April 25 2004,15:17)]I know it's a bit dated now, but X-Com 2: Terror from the Deep used to make me cry into my beer somewhat - you'd spend AGES building up your base only to get it trashed by aliens, and spend ages researching decent weapons (the entry-level hardware was puny) for your tactical squads only to have them wiped out in one move by whatever latest uber-alien that happened along http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif and have your budget slashed at around the same time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

I never had X-com2 to but X-Com 1 was quite enough. It was fun but I never finished it. Eventually I'd have researched everything I could and I'd have to assualt a large spaceship. they would blow away a fighter then get shot down by another just to have me go in and get my 8 soldiers obliterated in the first 5 turns.

EDIT: Did you ever play X-Com Apocalypse? That was a hard game too

Fortebraccio
04-26-2004, 00:47
Atlantis Ring missions in Syndicate/American Revolt.
Nothing but gauss grenades and laser beams raining down over your cybersquad. As soon as energy shields depleted (approximately fifteen seconds after the mission loaded), you could say goodybye to your top-of-the-notch, cutting-edge-technology biomechanic wonders. Depressing.

chunkynut
04-26-2004, 15:23
Quote[/b] (nightcrawlerblue @ April 25 2004,21:58)]EDIT: Did you ever play X-Com Apocalypse? That was a hard game too
Only because it was so flawed, none of the stuff worked properly, only when i turned a cheat on and got infinate money did i realise this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Lot of time on what could have been a kick ass game misspent.

solypsist
04-27-2004, 18:37
you forgot Commandos, which was the hardest game I ever actually finished. I never in my life went for the walkthroughs on a game as quickly as I did with this one, and even then it was a challenge

MalibuMan
04-29-2004, 09:42
The Civ games on Deity. It apparently can be done, but I'm not sure I believe it. Anyone done it here?

dessa14
04-30-2004, 14:18
Original CS

when playing with pros.

spawn, shot in head
Spawn, Walk Around Corner, Shot In Head
SPAWN, GET THROUGH THE DOOR, SHOT IN HEAD

thanks, Dessa

Rosacrux
04-30-2004, 14:26
Quote[/b] (MalibuMan @ April 29 2004,03:42)]The Civ games on Deity. It apparently can be done, but I'm not sure I believe it. Anyone done it here?
Deity is easy... try C3C on Sid... I get trashed before entering the second era, when my hoplites or spearmen face hordes of cavalry with artilery support http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif completely unplayable http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Sternness
05-01-2004, 03:34
Right from the start I noticed Stuntman on the list. That game drove me nuts for the three days I rented it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
I'm normally great with driving sims, but some of the tasks in that game were just not doable. I liked the concept and all, but it lost me in the difficulty. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Beirut
05-02-2004, 15:47
Falcon 4 on full realism with the patches. Fly through a zone heavy with AAA, SAMs and Migs and you will definitely feel thew heat.

Then try to land with the controls out. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

gaijinalways
05-02-2004, 17:41
I notice a lot of war games and RPGs but no sims.

One of the business sims I played on the highest level seemed impossible (wish I could think of the name, have to try and pull it out). Another Capitalism II, is the toughest for a farily good sim. I have played it through all the mods and on custom (it is also used as part of some university's MBA training).

Tropico (another sim where you run a banana republic) I have found to be awful difficult, I have never finished a mod successfully

Civilization (I have the second one) is tough and yes on the higher levels, I know some people have managed, but not me.

Quake was /is difficult, especially when I played it with no joystick and limited interest on a laptop screen (sorry, running around and only shooting other guys doesn't get pumped up for too long).

Hey we forgot MTW, great game, and I am still playing through all the factions, 3 down (English, Italian, and Spanish), quite a few to go.

TheSilverKnight
05-04-2004, 00:41
I thought American Conquest with it's many campaigns and strategies, plus the routing stuff, was hard to beat. It took me nearly half a year. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Maychargewithoutorders
05-08-2004, 21:10
Shadow of the Beast 2 on the Amiga, i do beleive it was next to impossible Those psyognosis(sp?) people really knew how to keep you coming back for more punishment

Mount Suribachi
05-09-2004, 00:26
EU2 for me.

Combine an obsessively anal level of depth (not that thats a bad thing) with a detailed, yet counter-intuative and often downright bizarre game engine, and you have the hardest game I've ever played.

CoT's??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif What the hell are they supposed to represent? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Or you could conquer another country, only you haven't really conquered them as after all that fighting you negotiate a peace. A peace where your position of overwhelming strength gives you a minor province. If you're lucky.

I played the tutorials, read the manual, asked on the forums, played about 10 hours of a game and I still had no clue what I was meant to be doing.

I don't have 50 spare hours to learn how to play a game. Hell, I could complete KOTOR in that time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

econ21
05-09-2004, 01:04
Wizardy 8 defeated me. Expectation and word of mouth for this game among the usent rpg community was so high, I was sure it would be great. But the turn-based combats were agonisingly slow, with stupid plants (called phoots or some such inanity) blasting my party from range, complete with masochistic blood splatters on my party's faces each time they hit. I had researched the character building, party composition, spells etc thoroughly and was convinced I had a near optimal party but my progress was just painfully slow and not worth pursuing given the paltry rewards - a plot and NPC characters I thought sub-Pokemon in quality. Never found an RPG too hard before or since. Kinda bizarre that this game could be created by the folk that made Jagged Alliance 2, which is close to as perfect a tactical combat game as you can get. [Reminds me of the strangeness of the makers of wonderfully atmospheric Arcanum producing the mind-numbing bland Temple of Elemental Evil.]

The penultimate level of System Shock 2 was pretty hard for me too. I am useless at shooter games or puzzle games, but wanted to stick with SS2 for the gripping story and terrifying atmosphere. But things went downhill rapidly after leaving the first ship. When you beyond both ships, it got ludicrous - with some nightmare jumping puzzle (over some enormous teeth, of all things) I spent hours on and then an absurd respawning battle. I had scrimped and saved everything throughout the game, battling throughout with the wrench, so I would have a decent stock of ammo for my assault rifle in the endgame. But, as my character lay hunkered down in a trench in the penultimate level, blasting endless monsters, my ammo had almost ran out and I realised the monsters would never dry up. So I was forced to charge into some cavern and run around like a maniac, dodging aerial bombardment, shooting out key targets on the ground and then having to shoot three floating stars in the sky. The whole thing was so ridiculously hard and so surrealistically absurd, it was quite out of character with the stealthy, careful gameplay that had preceded it. It did have a kind of nightmare quality to it, though, that means I feel a kind of pride completing it.

frogbeastegg
05-09-2004, 09:59
Mount Suribachi I had the same problem with EU2, it is one of those games custom desgined to baffle a frog...so many numbers where you would prefer a description as well...my BB is 3.14, what in heck does that mean? If only it also said you have a slightly tarnished rep.

Ahem, I did eventually manage to get on with the game, thanks to this thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=6;t=13660;hl=eu2). There's plenty of good info there, unfortuantely the pictures are gone. I'll request the thread is moved over, and then ask Louis if he wants to add those sceenshots to the arena space.

CoT = centre of trade, stuff them with merchants to reap much shiny gold.

Mount Suribachi
05-09-2004, 10:47
Thanks froggy, I thought there was a thread, but I think it was before I picked up the game (thankfully I only paid a tenner).

And I know what a CoT is, I just never quite figured out how to use them, and in particular, what aspect of economics they were supposed to represent. They seemed extremely spurious to me.

son of spam
05-13-2004, 01:48
SMAC: Transcend

Civ III: Diety

Homeworld 2: This requires a bit of an explanation, since many people probably didn't find it that hard. Try to get through mission 14 or mission 12 with a full fleet and no hyperspacing battlecruiser tho, and you'll know what I'm talking about. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-15-2004, 00:48
Quite a lot of them.

However, there is one that, although I've never played it, know it was considered EXTREMELLY dificult. I was surprised that nobody mentioned it.

One of the most unapreciated masterworks ever made for the PC:

Lucas Arts Grim Fandango

Does anyone of you ever played it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Mount Suribachi
05-15-2004, 08:08
PLayed the demo. It was

a) Very pretty & stylish

b) Really, really hard.

I never finished the demo & I never bought the game.

Fragony
05-15-2004, 12:31
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 14 2004,18:48)]Quite a lot of them.

However, there is one that, although I've never played it, know it was considered EXTREMELLY dificult. I was surprised that nobody mentioned it.

One of the most unapreciated masterworks ever made for the PC:

Lucas Arts Grim Fandango

Does anyone of you ever played it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
Yes, amazing game. Too bad that I am WAY too stupid, I had to consult my walktrough for almost everyting. So I was really watching a movie rather then playing a game, but it was still wonderfull because of all the characters (Glottis is da man) and story.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-15-2004, 18:05
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ May 15 2004,02:08)]PLayed the demo. It was

a) Very pretty & stylish

b) Really, really hard.

I never finished the demo & I never bought the game.
HEHEHE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif Scaringly hard, hey? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-15-2004, 18:16
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 15 2004,06:31)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 14 2004,18:48)]Quite a lot of them.

However, there is one that, although I've never played it, know it was considered EXTREMELLY dificult. I was surprised that nobody mentioned it.

One of the most unapreciated masterworks ever made for the PC:

Lucas Arts Grim Fandango

Does anyone of you ever played it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
Yes, amazing game. Too bad that I am WAY too stupid, I had to consult my walktrough for almost everyting. So I was really watching a movie rather then playing a game, but it was still wonderfull because of all the characters (Glottis is da man) and story.
What I've heard from a lot of guys that I know, was that you weren't the only one doing that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Unfortunatelly I wasn't into RPGs at that time, so it never atracted my attention. Too bad... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sad.gif

As far as I can remember, people told me that the script was amazing. The story was very original and the characters were extremelly well done. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-idea.gif

Mount Suribachi
05-15-2004, 19:52
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 15 2004,18:05)] Scaringly hard, hey?
No, it goes beyond hard. Its like a cryptic crossword. I know I'm not stupid, but cryptic crosswords baffle me. Even when the answer to the clue is explained to me, I think its pretty lame.

eg

Clue: Prince Harriet perchance?

Answer: Window

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Thats what Grim Fandango was like. Your brain had to work in a lateral way. A really, really lateral way. So lateral it seems almost random.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-16-2004, 05:06
Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ May 15 2004,13:52)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 15 2004,18:05)] Scaringly hard, hey?
No, it goes beyond hard. Its like a cryptic crossword. I know I'm not stupid, but cryptic crosswords baffle me. Even when the answer to the clue is explained to me, I think its pretty lame.

eg

Clue: Prince Harriet perchance?

Answer: Window

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Thats what Grim Fandango was like. Your brain had to work in a lateral way. A really, really lateral way. So lateral it seems almost random.
Well, that's scary http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

You really had to push your imagination, hey? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Fragony
05-16-2004, 08:53
Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

nightcrawlerblue
05-16-2004, 14:27
Quote[/b] (chunkynut @ April 26 2004,09:23)]
Quote[/b] (nightcrawlerblue @ April 25 2004,21:58)]EDIT: Did you ever play X-Com Apocalypse? That was a hard game too
Only because it was so flawed, none of the stuff worked properly, only when i turned a cheat on and got infinate money did i realise this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Lot of time on what could have been a kick ass game misspent.
I'd argue with you that it was good but it hasn't worked on my last 2 computers... On this one it's telling me my system requirements don't match up. I highly doubt a 1 year old computer would be prone to that...

Auxilia
05-16-2004, 19:40
Quote[/b] (nightcrawlerblue @ April 25 2004,15:58)]EDIT: Did you ever play X-Com Apocalypse? That was a hard game too
Was that the third game, the one that combined the technology from the first two? If so I looked at the demo but didn't really get into it.

Didn't the last X-Com game turn out to be a rather weak Quake clone or have I got that wrong? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

Somebody Else
05-16-2004, 23:17
I seem to remember finding the 7th Guest rather tricky... then again, I was 10 or something at the time...

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-17-2004, 01:13
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,02:53)]Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif ??????????????? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

That is one weird sequence of events... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-17-2004, 01:15
Quote[/b] (Somebody Else @ May 16 2004,17:17)]I seem to remember finding the 7th Guest rather tricky... then again, I was 10 or something at the time...
That would explain an added difficulty... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

Fragony
05-17-2004, 05:19
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 16 2004,19:13)]
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,02:53)]Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif ??????????????? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

That is one weird sequence of events... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
Not autobiographic I can guarantee you. It is an EARLY grim fandango puzzle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Leet Eriksson
05-17-2004, 06:13
I played Grim Fandango its a great game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I actually finished it without a walkthrough,was too dumb back then to check for one,but anyways,it took me a solid 6 months to figure out the puzzles.The most mind numbing gotta be the races stubs or whatever,you have to figure a date to proceed any further,lets say it took a big chunk of time to finish it.

Its a pretty hard adventure game.but it was fun non the less.

Fragony
05-17-2004, 07:49
Quote[/b] (faisal @ May 17 2004,00:13)]I actually finished it without a walkthrough
No you didn't, and it is not open for debate.

[insert depression smiley]

frogbeastegg
05-17-2004, 09:13
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,08:53)]Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
I remember that puzzle, the two 'worms' were children's balloons, but that only makes this marginally less weird. I remember spending about 10 hours in game walking around with a baguette and bottle of gold sparkly booze stuffed inside a walking skeleton's jacket, with no idea what to do next.

I loved the old point and clicks, but I hated this 3D update because the controls were really bad and you had to keep running around the screen to find hotspots instead of just skimming your mouse over everything. I didn't find it very funny either.

Actually there has not been a single 3D point and click wannabe that has been half as good as the old 2D games...broken sword 3 has been the closest, it's quite good but rather buggy, at least on the PS2.

Cazbol
05-17-2004, 10:40
Grim Fandango is in my view one of the best games ever made and without a doubt the funniest one. I really didn't find it that hard. Not that it was easy either but I found the difficulty fair. When playing this kind of games I strive to avoid hints as much as possible and as far as I remember I used them only occasionally, if I used them at all.

Unlike Froggy I found the transition away from point and click a great relief. Scanning the entire screen with a mouse and still missing the 1 and 2 pixel items is not my idea of fun. Manny only had to be close to items of interest for him to look at it and thus enable interaction with them.

This reminder of this classic may just get me to play it again. I may have forgotten enough of it to enjoy it again.

Fragony
05-17-2004, 13:06
I didn't find Grim Fandango particulary humourous, but it was just all so suave I loved every character and the mexican mood is brilliant. Manny is one of the best heroes ever, it is just impossible not to adore him (por favor) and Glottis is the best sidekick ever. The dialogue was to die for (none of your business what I did in the fat days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ). The game grabbed me from the brilliant opening scene till the end. Too bad it was so DAMN HARD.

SwordsMaster
05-17-2004, 16:13
MAx Payne 2 on Hardest. You can beat it, but its hard as hell.

It reminds me of that mission in Medal of Honor (the Save Private Ryan landing), oh

Malcolm Big Head
05-17-2004, 18:02
Quote (Scoony J. Delvio @ May 17 2004,11:56)

this is to post in this thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=33&t=16285):

Halo on legendary mode is probably one of the hardest things (gamewise) that I've ever had to do. It's nearly impossible to get through some of the areas where there is open fighting, because it's absolutely imperative to find cover. My advice, find cover, anything, and toss grenades like a madman. Also I would recommend using the assault rifle, but you have to have goood aim with it because the accuracy can be a little off...

thanks in advance to whoever posts this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-17-2004, 18:42
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,23:19)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ May 16 2004,19:13)]
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,02:53)]Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif ??????????????? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

That is one weird sequence of events... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
Not autobiographic I can guarantee you. It is an EARLY grim fandango puzzle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif If it was autobigraphic it would be even more weird http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-speechless.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
05-17-2004, 18:58
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ May 17 2004,03:13)]
Quote[/b] (Fragony @ May 16 2004,08:53)]Brrrrr getting 2 dead worms at the clown to fill them with the two packingsubstances to wreck the communicationsystem so that the maintainancemen shows up so you can unlock the door to intercept a message of bruno with your playcard with you just had pierced at the secretary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
I remember that puzzle, the two 'worms' were children's balloons, but that only makes this marginally less weird. I remember spending about 10 hours in game walking around with a baguette and bottle of gold sparkly booze stuffed inside a walking skeleton's jacket, with no idea what to do next.
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Sorry, most respected Lady frogbeastegg, but that reminds me of some puzzling areas that I've played to frustration in other games. The anger begins to grow to unsustainable levels http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

And then the feeling of absolute stupidity http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-uhoh.gif that invaded me, when I finally found or discovered http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wreck.gif what the hell I was looking for... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-bigcry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif


http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-skull.gif GRIM FANDANGO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-skull.gif

frogbeastegg
08-04-2004, 12:37
Old polls won't work correctly with our new forum so they must all be locked. Feel free to restart this poll if you want.