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Nigel
05-03-2004, 20:26
Well, this is not a Multiplayer Campaign, but a new and different idea for a MTW game that goes beyond a single battle.
It is something like a Role Playing Game, where players take on the role of mercenaries or bandit captains. The underlying concept is that a game master (acting as a rich merchant) will set up missions for the mercenaries and the bandits have to stop them. Whoever wins will gain some florins and can use these to build up and improve his individual army.

Below I have written what could develop into something like a manual for this game. It is still pretty much in draft form now, but I hope it is good enough for everyone to understand how things could work and I will edit and modify it as I go along and get more ideas and suggestions.
The first paragraph is intended to set the scene :


Introduction

It is the dawn of the Age of Chivalry. The great war is finally over. It has lasted for many years and left the European countries in desolation. Many noblemen have lost their lands and are now struggling to pay for the upkeep of their castles. As Chivalry is beginning to decline, the cities are emerging as the new political force and power is shifting to the burghers and merchants. Finance and trade become more and more important, and so does the protection of streets and trade routes.

In the aftermath of the great war, bands of unemployed soldiers are roaming the land in search for a new way to earn a living. Many are hiring out their services as mercenaries but others are taking to the woods and join the groups of bandits, which are ambushing the traders and merchants.

In this world I will take on the role of a rich merchant, who has to send money and goods to various cities across the country. I will hire some peasants or other servants to carry the goods and will be looking for soldiers to escort them. The players of the game can choose to act as either bandits who try to capture the goods or mercenaries who will get paid to protect them.


Basic concept

Players enter the game with a starting capital of, say, 5000 florins for which they can equip their initial army. In the course of the game various battle scenarios or missions will be announced (perhaps on a weekly basis) which will give those who sign up for them a chance to earn more money. With this money they can cover their maintenance costs, increase their army and improve it with new weapons. Eventually, as they gain fame and fortune, they can rise in society and establish themselves as Mercenary Lords or Robber Barons.

Rather than just buying a new army for each battle, the players will have their own personal army, which they build up and develop throughout the game. A players list will be set up in this thread, which shows the current army of each player as well as other info, such as florins in treasury, army upkeep cost etc. Roleplaying can also be a great part of the game and, beyond the simple mercs/bandit division, many other ways for interaction or diplomacy can develop.




Battles and missions

The gamemaster announces the battles as trading missions. For example a scenario could be set for one mercenary and one bandit involving the transport 100 boxes of silk (worth 10 florins each). The mercenary will take his army plus 100 peasants to carry the goods. The bandit will try to intercept him. Both players meet online and start the battle.

The mercenary will win if
he defeats the bandit (obviously)
or his peasants manage to reach the other side of the map.

The bandit will win if
he defeats the mercenary (obviously)
or he kills, captures or routs the peasants.

Even if the bandit gets defeated, he will still get some florins for each peasant he managed to kill.


After the battle the surviving units will fill up their ranks again. This is no problem, for after the great war there are many unemployed and desperate soldiers looking to make a living. They will be happy to be take up into a unit for no extra pay, as long as they can look forward to some money at the end of the month.

However, a unit which has been completely eradicated in battle and whose standard has fallen, can not simply be replaced. That unit is lost and a new unit has to be recruited from scratch.





Recruiting and maintaining your army

Recruiting is simply done by letting the gamemaster know which units you want to recruit. Some care and forward planning should be given when recruiting troops, as the men which you hire are likely to be with you in many battles. Units, which have become obsolete, can of course be released from service in order to reduce maintenance costs. But don't expect to get any of your money back (the men will probably have spent it all on their first free evening in the tavern).

Prices are those of the unit selection screen.

You can buy any upgrade you want.
We may re-consider that if we think we need to balance the game better, but to make things simple at the start I would go with that.

The max 4 rule applies.
i.e. no more that 4 units of a single type, so we don't end up with armies of 16 CMMA v4.

You can buy upgrades now or later.
i.e. if you find you have some money to spare you can buy your men some new swords or shiny armor.
Or just give them a big bonus to increase their morale and they will fight harder for you.


Maintenance costs are those of the Single Player game for v0 units.
More experienced men expect better pay. So there is a 20% increase on maintenance cost for each valor point.


Pay day
At the end of each month it is pay-day for the troops. The money will be taken out of the player´s treasure chest and the appropriate amounts distributed to his men. Thus, it is vitally important that every commander has enough florins available at this time. No soldier will forgive it easily to be left empty handed at the end of the month. This will have a very demoralizing effect and the valor of the unit will decrease by 1. If a unit already has valor 0, it will be so frustrated that it will just leave the service of their master and seek employment elsewhere.


Factions
The factions that can be chosen are those of the Europeans only.
For one reason, the game is set in Middle Europe and it would be strange to have Egyptian warriors robbing the travelers in Sherwood Forest.
The other reason is one of balance. I don't claim to have done extensive testing, but from the few m&b battles I have been able to play, it became evident, that, when it comes to hunting down a group of peasants, nothing can beat a Muslim army full of archer-cavalery. These guys are just too mobile and have too much firepower to give the merchants any chance at all. With a more complex set of rules about which units are allowed and which aren't it may be possible to use all factions, but for now it is easier just to use the European ones.




Start small and move up

A rugged bandit leading a group of royal knights to rob the merchants ? Hmmm,...... doesn't sound right.
A young and unknown mercenary setting out to try his luck and gathering the best fighters of Europe behind his banner ?
...... does not fit the picture, either.

So I think some restrictions for the early phase of the game are called for.

While players start as simple mercenaries or bandits, the following units may not be used :

no knights (on horse or foot)
no crusader units
no CMAA
no gunpowder units


But when a player is successful and has earned enough money, he can construct a fortified camp (a wooden castle) for himself and his men. He now becomes a Mercenary Commander or a Bandit Chieftain. With his increased fame as well as the facilities of his camp he will be able to attract some higher quality troops.
With a wooden fort he can recruit

Feudal knights
CMAA
handgun units (but no cannon)


Finally, when a player continues to be successful he can rise to the higher classes of society and aspire to his own castle. Yes, even bandits can have a castle, for unfortunately (or not) this is the age of dawn for chivalry and knighthood. Many a nobleman is struggling to find the means to uphold his castle and bears a deep grudge against those merchants who have bought him out of his lands. In their desperation some are ready to turn to desperate measures and would willingly give the hand of their daughter to a young and famous warrior who can pay their dept. Thus a players can rise to Mercenary Lord or Robber Baron and owning a castle will make all troop types available to them.


The costs for constructing a fortified camp or buying your way into nobility is something I have not quite finalized yet. But as a first thought I would imagine that 5 000 florins for a fort and 15 000 florins for a castle could be appropriate.



The end of the game

Theoretically, the game could be open ended, but who would want to play until everyone has an army of 99k ? So eventually there should be an end date where the winners are announced. Perhaps a good idea would be to use the release date of Rome:TW, because, lets face it, we all will have lots of other tings to do after that J.

After the game, the winners of course will be the Mercenary and the Bandit, who have accumulated the most money and the best army. I do however hope that this game will not be all about winning in the end but more about having fun as we get there.

There are no prices for the winners, but there will be new friends to be won, and a lot of fun and excitement for everyone.

Good luck to all,
Nigel Loring


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P.S.
This is my first attempt at a manual for the game, version 1.0 if you want.
I am sure many updates and patches will follow as things progress and we find out what works and what doesn't and what good and interesting ideas may still come up.

P.P.S:
Dear moderators: I have posted this selfsame thread at the Jousting Field and at the Throne Room, as I think it will be interesting to the MP community and the storytelling and roleplaying community alike. Also, I am trying to reach a wide audience to get things going. Once a game is up and running, the game can run in a single location.

Nigel
05-03-2004, 20:27
---------------- The Mercenaries ----------------

Chimpyang
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_Chimpyang_20040510.jpg
Treasury : 604 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 441 Fl Missions played : none


Amatsu
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_Amatsu_20040509.jpg
Treasury : 200 Fl Current Mission : #1
Supp. Cost : 593 Fl Missions played : none


Axeknight
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_Axeknight_20040509.jpg
Treasury : 284 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 684 Fl Missions played : none


TigerVX
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_Tiger_20040509.jpg
Treasury : 250 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 590 Fl Missions played : none


Guy
Treasury : 3500 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 0 Fl Missions played : none


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------------------- The Bandits -------------------

Dionysus
Treasury : 3500 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 0 Fl Missions played : none


Sulla
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_Sulla_20040510.jpg
Treasury : 625 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 635 Fl Missions played : none


KyodaiSteeleye
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/Nigel_PBM_MB_KyodaiSteeleye_20040510.jpg
Treasury : 218 Fl Current Mission : #1
Supp. Cost : 584 Fl Missions played : none


Strike
Treasury : 3500 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 0 Fl Missions played : none


Shaka
Treasury : 3500 Fl Current Mission : none
Supp. Cost : 0 Fl Missions played : none

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The next pay-day is : Monday, 31. Mai

Nigel
05-03-2004, 20:29
ohh yes, almost forgot. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif


Sign up


Anyone who has MTW / VI and can play MP games can sign up.
This is free for all, new players or veterans alike.

But until I know how much work this will be for me to administer, I want to limit it to 10 players in the first instance. If it goes well, it can still be expanded later.

Simply post here to sign up or send me a PM.
Hope this will be fun, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif
Nigel

Chimpyang
05-04-2004, 21:54
I'll play, looks very interesting and very well thought out.

Nigel
05-05-2004, 00:10
Excellent Chimpyang http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

You want to be mercenary or bandit ?

Chimpyang
05-05-2004, 16:55
I'll take mercinary. There has to be someone for Sulla to attack and destroy (hopefully not though) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Nigel
05-05-2004, 23:37
Whow, places are filling up fast.

5 places left now: 3 Mercs 2 Bandits.


We probably have enough players to have a go at a fist mission soon.

In any case you guys can start thinking of building your first army. But remember : dont spend all your money at once. You'll still have to pay your soldiers at the end of the month http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Nigel
05-06-2004, 18:57
Amatsu has some questions on which units are allowed. I'll copy them here as well as my answers, as it may help to clarify things http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



Quote[/b] ]I'll have to give a go at my army this weekend.. too tired now, and I have class/homework tomorrow... hehe. Anyways, can you clear up a few things also? Or someone can. (Correct me if I am wrong)

European Only.. works for me, I only tend to play as the English.
5000 Florins for base start.
No knights may be used (what qualifies as a knight?)
No Crusader Units (what unit is considered a crusader)
No CMAA
No Gunnies
Is artillery allowable?



Amatsu,
you got it qute right.

No knight may be used. For the English that excludes :
Feudal Knights, Chivalric Knights, Feudal Foot Knights, Chivalric Foot Knights and Royal Knights

No Crusader Units, that excludes:
Fanatics, Order Foot Soldiers and Templars

Artillery is excluded, too. You would not drag a catapult around with you if you were to escort a trading transport. Nor would it be practical for bandits, who have to hide and sneak silently through the forests, to have cannons in their equippment.

I may think up some scenarios, where artillery units can come in as a special feature. But for the usual escort and ambush missions, they would not be used.


Other than that, all units are good. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

Axeknight
05-06-2004, 19:07
Hmm... Sounds fun, but when are you hoping to have the games? I mean time eg 8PM GMT or whatever. 'Cause that may mean I can't play.

Nigel
05-06-2004, 19:18
There is no fixed time for the games.

They can be played whenever those who are involved in a misson can arrange to meet up.


Basically it will go like this :

1. I advertise a mission.

2. Two (or more) players sign up for it.

3. Those who have signed up arrange a time for the battles

4. After the battles they post (or email) the result to me

5. I update the game info.


It may mean that, e.g. if one of the players in a mission is in the US and the other one in Europe someone may have to put in a late night or an early morning, or a weekend. But hopefully, that should not happen all too often

Axeknight
05-07-2004, 16:59
OK, sign me up. Though I can't promise I'll be able to play often

Nigel
05-07-2004, 19:03
Wellcome to the game, Axeknight.
Glad to have you with us http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


How often you play is really up to you.

Players who play often have the chance to be very successful.
Players who play less often will probably end up in the middle ranks.

If you are happy with that, so are we http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



Only one thing I'd ask of you or anyone.
If you find you don't get the time to play at all, and other people are queuing up to join, please have the decency to step down and make room for new players who want to come in.

But if you want to keep playing, go as fast or slow as you like. This is not intended to be full action on 7 days a week game.
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Nigel
05-07-2004, 20:45
Well, we have 8 players, 2 places are still left open. I hope they will fill up soon.
Nonetheless we can have a go at the first mission. So here it is (tatataaa) :


-------------------------------------------------------------- Mission #1 --------------------------------------------------------------

I am intending to expand my cloth business into the markets of Bulgaria and have a shipment of 100 boxes of linen to go to Turnovo. The linen is of finest quality and each box is worth 10 Florins. My loyal servants (v4 peasants) will carry the boxes, but to protect them from the many bandits in these regions I am looking to hire one group of mercenaries.

I will pay 400 Florins for a mercenary willing to take on the task and I am offering a bonus of 200 Florins upon successful completion.

But beware, it is rumored that a gang of bandits is roaming the area and may try to intercept the transport.

Signed up as Mercenary : Amatsu
Signed up as Bandit : still open

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This is a mission for 1 Mercenary and 1 Bandit. The map is bul1_practice.

You can sign up for mission #1 by posting here, or if you want to do me a favour, go to the thread at the Jousting Field (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=18&t=17790&st=0&&#entry289606). Having all sign ups in one place saves me a lot of running around.


Sign up will be first come, first serve. But if you don't get it, don't worry.
There will be many more missions coming up soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

RisingSun
06-03-2004, 01:23
I'll sign up for a spot, mercenary or bandit does not matter to me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Xiahou Liao
06-18-2004, 00:36
If only I was faster 'Doh Oh well, if anyone wants to..'eh step down. I'll take their spot. Though, I'd prefer Mercenary. But it doesn't matter. :D?

KyodaiSteeleye
06-28-2004, 23:16
If anyone's interested in a life of crime, there's a bandit place free in this great game - check out the multiplayer forum and ask to join up if interested.

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