If you had a time machine what event in history

[Gawain of Orkeny]

If you had a machine that could take you back to anytime and place for a period of up to 1 month what event in history would you like to go back and witness first hand?

[hrvojej]

The birth of the proto-chicken. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Seven.the.Hun]

the jesus incident
or the battle at thermopolae or however its spelled

[Mount Suribachi]

Death & resurrection of Christ

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I was going to wait to answer this question but has already given my answer. I thought I would be the only one to say this. Would it not be the most wonderful thing to really know if the story of Jesus is really true? What could ever have a bigger effect on your life if you found out it was true.

[BDC]

Yeah, go back see if Jesus was real. With a camera. And a history of the Catholic Church for him to read.

[Sjakihata]

I'd like to see the dawn of time, which according to some only took 6-7 days, then the rest of the time I'd spend in ancient greek.

[Snowhobbit]

I would try to stop WW2, not sure it would help, but it's worth trying.

[Somebody Else]

Quote[/b] (Snowhobbit @ May 15 2004,12:04)]I would try to stop WW2, not sure it would help, but it's worth trying.
Don't try that... you'd end up with Stalin trying to take over...

Wanders off to the tune of Hell March

[Matt Deckard]

I'd probably go on a 'Jimi Hendrix' gig rampage, trying to see every gig before he died. Same thing for Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. Selfish i know, but i wish i was born in a different decade... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[MalibuMan]

The looks on the faces of the guys who first accidentally made fire

[Mount Suribachi]

Quote[/b] (BDC @ May 15 2004,09:16)]Yeah, go back see if Jesus was real. With a camera. And a history of the Catholic Church for him to read.
I think He knows http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Snowhobbit]

Citera[/b] (Somebody Else @ Maj 15 2004,13:05)]
Citera[/b] (Snowhobbit @ May 15 2004,12:04)]I would try to stop WW2, not sure it would help, but it's worth trying.
Don't try that... you'd end up with Stalin trying to take over...

Wanders off to the tune of Hell March
Why, please enlighten me, and if this is an improper forum, then please enligthen me with the help of a PM,

[Dramicus]

Quote[/b] (Snowhobbit @ May 15 2004,08:48)]
Quote[/b] (Somebody Else @ Maj 15 2004,13:05)]
Quote[/b] (Snowhobbit @ May 15 2004,12:04)]I would try to stop WW2, not sure it would help, but it's worth trying.
Don't try that... you'd end up with Stalin trying to take over...

Wanders off to the tune of Hell March
Why, please enlighten me, and if this is an improper forum, then please enligthen me with the help of a PM,
have you ever heard of the game Red Alert?

[Snowhobbit]

yeah, but I dont know if that is a reasonable explanation.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The question is what event would you like to witness. Thre is nothing about being able to effect it. You are only there to observe, Im syrprised no one has come up with say Waterloo or Gettysburg.

[Leet Eriksson]

I want to witness if Lijian in china was actually a roman colony of the remains of crassus legions that were defeated in Uzbekistan by a Chinese army.

[JAG]

Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ May 15 2004,16:19)]The question is what event would you like to witness. Thre is nothing about being able to effect it. You are only there to observe, Im syrprised no one has come up with say Waterloo or Gettysburg.
Ye same, it is surprising. But it is a very difficult question, has made me think alot about the response. However I think it has to be gettysburg, seeing the real pickets charge, seeing the real end of the CSA hopes of any outcome going their way, would be amazing knowing what I know of the events of the period to be there at that point. Close was Waterloo, Rorke's Drift, Borodino and Agincourt.

[Lord Ovaat]

Going back to see any particular human or human event would be OK, I guess, but it wouldn't answer any important questions. I have to go with the first thing that came to my mind with the question: the month of Passover the year Christ was executed. But I would have to insist on being with Mary Magdalene and the rest of the Apostles when Christ reappeared to them. Yeah, just to see the look on their faces--and mine.

There's an old saw that says a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet. I guess a conservative, therefore, would be a liberal who hasn't seen Christ. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

It's always amazed me that Christ was the prototypical social, economic liberal. Yet, the organized Christian religions are anything but. Must explain why I have pretty strong convictions but hardly ever enter a church. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif


Hey,JAG. Sure, you want to be at Rorke's Drift, but why not Isandalwana? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[_Martyr_]

I suppose, that I would also choose the time of christ. Seeing as I am agnostic, this woul settle it once and for all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Jag, why is all you want to see battles? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (BDC @ May 15 2004,09:16)]Yeah, go back see if Jesus was real. With a camera. And a history of the Catholic Church for him to read.
If he saw that, he'd run back to the Romans and beg them to crucify him. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I would go back to witness:

The Trojan war... if it existed.
Cyrus the Great
Zarathustra
Darius the Great
Mahavira, the Buddha
The murder of Xerxes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Aristotle
Alexander the Great
Antigonus the One-eyed
Antiochus the Great
Gaius Julius Caesar
Battle of Carrhae
Cicero
Ovidius in his own day
The cruficication of Jesus
Mekka before Muhammad
Ardashir I the Sassanid
Belisarius
Khosros I Anoshirivan
Muhammad
Heraclius
Mahmud of Ghazni
Count Dirk III of Holland
Alexius I Komnenos
The fall of Khwarezmia
Battle of Kalka River (Subedei and Jebe's amazing expedition to Russia)
The fall of Kyiw
Battle of Liegnitz
The fall of Baghdad (I probably won't like what I'll see)
Babur
Shah Jahan
Sengoku Jidai
Dutch Golden Age:
William III, Regent of the Seven Provinces and King of England http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
The Zeven Provinciën
Go to Batavia under control of the VOC
Netherlands owning England in the Second and Third English Wars http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

That's enough for now...

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ May 15 2004,17:52)]I want to witness if Lijian in china was actually a roman colony of the remains of crassus legions that were defeated in Uzbekistan by a Chinese army.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

They actually walked further through Parthia and arrived in Transoxania? And ran into the Han expedition searching for Parthian horses? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Crazy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif



~Wiz

[Leet Eriksson]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ May 15 2004,15:26)]
Quote[/b] (faisal @ May 15 2004,17:52)]I want to witness if Lijian in china was actually a roman colony of the remains of crassus legions that were defeated in Uzbekistan by a Chinese army.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

They actually walked further through Parthia and arrived in Transoxania? And ran into the Han expedition searching for Parthian horses? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Crazy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif



~Wiz
I was wondering at something though,an article mention that the legions who arrived at transaxonia numbered 6500,thats almost a full legion,my history on the roman wars with parthia is vague,but i was wondering how many legions crassus had when he arrived at the levant to fight parthia?

Hmmmmm I can smell a hypothetical mod with the Roman empire fighting the Han empire,that should be fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[JAG]

Quote[/b] ]Hey,JAG. Sure, you want to be at Rorke's Drift, but why not Isandalwana?

Simply because Isandalwana was a massacre, nothing to see there other than well documented bad military decisions by the British and ferocious force by the Zulu's. However I would love to just be in the middle of the garrison at Rorke's Drift and just see the awesome strength the Zulu's had, coupled with the tremendous courage of both sides and the sound tactics of the British. It is just a classic fight and I would like to meet the very courageous men who fought that day.


Quote[/b] ]Jag, why is all you want to see battles?

Because they are what stand out in history, the point at which all the previous lead to and all the aftermath stem from. With the battles you can see the pinnacle of the campaigns. As well as that there are Generals I would die to pick the brains of, to see their real reasoning behind decisions from their own mouths, to be able to see them in actions, to see what they see, to see exactly the unfolding drama as it happens to me is just what I would do. I am a history buff - well a jnr one, have not read enough to be a true buff yet - and the battles are very prominent for me. The battles I highlight all have their reasons to me for being chosen, I didn't simply pluck them out of thin air.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote[/b] ]Quote
Jag, why is all you want to see battles?


Because they are what stand out in history, the point at which all the previous lead to and all the aftermath stem from. With the battles you can see the pinnacle of the campaigns. As well as that there are Generals I would die to pick the brains of, to see their real reasoning behind decisions from their own mouths, to be able to see them in actions, to see what they see, to see exactly the unfolding drama as it happens to me is just what I would do. I am a history buff - well a jnr one, have not read enough to be a true buff yet - and the battles are very prominent for me. The battles I highlight all have their reasons to me for being chosen, I didn't simply pluck them out of thin air.

Isnt it strange that the one of the most anti war people here finds battles and war the most interesting events and says they shape history. While those of us who were in the military or are on the right want to see Christ Ironic dont ya think

[JAG]

No, I think that is the very fact why I hate war and why I am so anti-war, it is at least the reason I give when asked that very question. War is a total break down of control and diplomacy and human sense, it should not be allowed to happen. From being so interested in past war's I can come to the conclusion of not wanting to see anymore, if you want war they are all in our past, why want any more? Every type of war, every type of action, every type of force, weapon.. You name it has been used, so why do we need to see more? ...

[hrvojej]

The protochicken comment was a joke, but I would really like to see pre-history more than anything in history itself. Being able to witness the ecosystems of which we have only fossilized records now, and see how our reconstructions compare to the real thing would be immensely interesting.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Some how I knew you would say that or opposites attract. Do you really want to see men dying in droves and being blown to pieces in front of your eyes? We are not talking tv here. Those of us who have seen it can tell you its not a pretty thing. Especially at a battle like Gettysburg or Waterloo the loss of humanity would be over whelming especially your favorite to see probably Picket charge You would have nightmares the rest of your life in all probability.

[JAG]

No doubt I would, and I am not talking about actually wanting to be at a battle to see the death and destruction FAR from it. I would like to see the battles for so many other reasons. I will go through each battle and the reasoning if you really want me to, and none of them involve the casulty figures.

Yet if you hate war so much and the loss of life and indeed you have even seen it, why do you support the war in Iraq?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

How are you going to be able to see the battle without seeing death and destruction?


Quote[/b] ]No doubt I would, and I am not talking about actually wanting to be at a battle to see the death and destruction FAR from it

How are you going to be able to see the battle without seeing death and destruction? Im not saying you want to see death, but think of what you will be forced to watch in reality if you get your wish more death and destruction than you could ever imagine. You would probably to busy throwing up to watch the battle.




Quote[/b] ]I will go through each battle and the reasoning if you really want me to, and none of them involve the casulty figures

'Ok go ahead.


Quote[/b] ]Yet if you hate war so much and the loss of life and indeed you have even seen it, why do you support the war in Iraq?

Some things are worth fighting and dying for. By the way I don't totally support the war in Iraq it never should have been necessary If France and Russia had come on board Saddam would have known we were serious and acted accordingly and there would have been no war. As far as Im concerned though I blame it all on England you guys carved up the middle east and created this mess both here and in Palestine. If you wish to speak further on this I suggest you start a separate thread.

[Lord Ovaat]

Quote[/b] ]Simply because Isandalwana was a massacre, nothing to see there other than well documented bad military decisions by the British and ferocious force by the Zulu's. However I would love to just be in the middle of the garrison at Rorke's Drift and just see the awesome strength the Zulu's had, coupled with the tremendous courage of both sides and the sound tactics of the British. It is just a classic fight and I would like to meet the very courageous men who fought that day.

Well, Pard, I think you might be able to see some unparalleled acts of courage and heroism at Isandalwana. The Brits gave out all of the VC's to Rorke's Drift participants to help the public transfer attention away from Chelmsford's debacle. It was said that one could follow the lines of retreat by individual companies by the orderly rows of their dead. I think the one thing that always impressed me about the British rank and file, was their grit and professionalism IN SPITE of a rather lackluster performance by their officers at times. During the Colonial Period, British officers routinely underestimated their adversaries, but Tommy never seemed to. He just got the job done. Kipling's Barrackroom Ballards is my favorite book of poetry. Considering he never served, his understanding was pretty profound. Of course, the same can be said of Stephen Crane and his Red Badge of Courage. Greater courage is often exhibited during defeat than victory. Had they been laggered, they probably would have held. No real truth in the ammo box controversy; they were just caught in the open and overwhelmed. Sad. It's usually the best and bravest of any society who are the first to fall in war. So, here's to Tommy Atkins. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[JAG]

Lord Ovaat, yes the courage displayed there was no doubt equally on show at both battles, point taken.


Quote[/b] ]How are you going to be able to see the battle without seeing death and destruction?


I have not said that I wouldn't merely that, that is not the reasoning behind wanting to see the battle, to bring this up as some form of objection to my desires is somewhat ... Strange.

[RisingSun]

JAG is a fan of Rorke's Drift? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Seems we have more in common than I thought. Men of Harlech, stop your dreaming... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

This brings up a question- can we be harmed by flying projectiles? If so, I might want to find some place safer. If not, I'd visit humanity's greatest triumphs through history. Rorke's Drift, Thermopylae, Battle of the Bulge, Gettysburg, Yorktown, Midway, Wake Island, Waterloo, Austerlitz, Jena, Luectra, Pharsalus, Alesia, Actium, Marathon, etc.

Then I'd wander around prehistory. I always loved palaeontology.

Can we go into the future?

[Lord Ovaat]

Quote[/b] ]Men of Harlech, stop your dreaming...

Can't you see their spear points gleaming?


Quote[/b] ]Can we go into the future?

You have a computer and an imagination. You can go anywhere you want http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But since I've spent most of my life either worrying about the future or dwelling on the past, I think I'll just stay here and live for awhile. Let me know what it's like.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I'd bring some M-60's to Hastings and knock of william the conquerer.
I want to change history, dammit Kill the Norman Kill Kill KILL

Oops, did I say that?
-Capo

[Cazbol]

Assuming I couldn't be harmed by anything, I'd go back 60 million years and watch the last 2 weeks before the big meteor hit and then the first 2 weeks after.

Barring that, visiting Athens at the time of Socrates and the like would probably top my list.

[Idaho]

I'd definately go for prehistory. Check out Tanzania a million years ago or something. Or watch the Jomon people first establish settlements in Japan across the land bridge from Korea.

[Tricky Lady]

I'd like to see the city of Tenochtitlan and witness the official welcoming of the Spanish Gods by the Aztecs.

[BDC]

I'd like to go back and see Constantinople at its height, the library of Alexandra and the Pyramids when they were first constructed.

[RisingSun]

Quote[/b] ]Can't you see their spear points gleaming?

See their warrior pennants streaming,
to this battlefield... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Lord Ovaat, that's why we don't let people like you go back in time. We like the past the way it is, thank you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[nightcrawlerblue]

Hmmm. probably the death of Christ.

If not that then some kind of great battle. Gettysburg maybe? Maybe a battle that decided something important in ancient Egypt/Rome... With an M16... And a bulletproof vest...

Imagine facing the Egyptian chariots tumbling towards you. You get out your M16 and let 'er rip Horses and soldiers fall as they try to reach you. You've allied yourself with one force and as their forces distract the main defenses you pick off every guard on the walls Your forces are victorious and you capture the castle You alone defeated half of the enemy's force.

Could be a topic for a novel... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[hrvojej]

And then you run out of ammo.

[Beirut]

Watch Ghenkis Khan move across Asia into Europe.

[The Wizard]

I don't think you'll like what you see, neither will I.

Shall we go together, and enjoy the slaughter? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[solypsist]

the big bang


duh.