would it be possible....

[octavian]

that is, b4 people reach 500. after that it doesn't really matter. (sorry just finishing the title http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ) neways, my idea is to make so that, if a) a new patron signs up, set his/her gender as neutral (ie, forgot and to lazy to check) then the ordinary default avatar would come up. b) if the new patron set her gender as female, a genaric female avatar would come up, this avatar would change along with the post count. c) if the new patron sets his gender to male, the ordinary avatar comes up. i know this might be too much work for Admin to warrant the benefits (so at least you know the persons gender at a glance) because females are a very definate minority on these forums. nonetheless................ http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-gossip.gif well, get talking


ps (if this gets some interest/support, could you mods move this to the watchtower?)

thx octavian

[Kaiser of Arabia]

SPAMTYSPAM WONDERFUL SPAM
GOOD IDEA.
BUT THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY FEMALES HERE, U KNOW.
-CAPO

[Somebody Else]

Why do you need to know who the lasses are, pray tell?

[octavian]

wow capo, that was a lot of caps, and yes, i do know that (it even says so in my post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

@somebody else, simply to avoid this:

hey you punkass, you little bugger, why didn't you read my post, you wanna go my little man?

actually, im a girl, so i'll just get my big biker boyfriend to kick your butt

oh shit, i mean, spit, srry lady, didn't............ um hello... nice leather coat you got there, um no, i mean yea, i called your girlfriend a punkass. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-whip.gif

[octavian]

so you see, its simply for the protection of our most noble patrons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gregoshi]

Actually, a few female patrons were a bit put off because they could only have a male avatars.

[octavian]

yes, i know greg, my response was totally joking there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Lehesu]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ May 26 2004,22:55)]Actually, a few female patrons were a bit put off because they could only have a male avatars.
Just an added incentive to reach 500 post mark for female avatars.

[spmetla]

It'd be nice to see a few more Princesses in the forums that haven't reached the 500post level.

[Lord Ovaat]

Quote[/b] ]It'd be nice to see a few more Princesses in the forums that haven't reached the 500post level.

Hell, if that's all you guys want, give me a princess avatar.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[octavian]

ovaat, seeing as you already are above 500 posts, you can give yourself a princess av http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[frogbeastegg]

Good idea. Having to spam just to get an avatar so people stop calling you 'him' is a bit silly. I didn't like the generic male avatars, that is one of the reasons I joined the crowd asking for a shogun one in a thread in the sword dojo. Somehow being a samurai archer was better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

When I finally got 500 posts after several long months I found all the female avatars were of the ugly MTW princesses, so I kept the archer. In the end I had to become a mod to get a nice female avatar Here's hoping RTW provides some nicer avatars.

[Tricky Lady]

Would be a good idea. I am one of those who spammed their way up to 500 posts. A bit silly, but at least I got rid of these silly duke and count default avatars. Yay

BTW, I don't think the VI princesses are so terrible, apart from the ones with the tomato-red faces.

PS. This avatar only has a red nose. Seems like she's drunk or stood outside at -25°C for a couple of hours.

[SwordsMaster]

Hey, Lord Ovaat, that reminds me of a line in Snatch. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Anyway, Im for female avatars, even if they are ugly medieval princesses. Just for the sake of knowing how to refer to people.

(And I think we are all a little more gentlemen when talking to a lady, Im I right guys?) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[ah_dut]

Give us Female avatars now please Tosa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[solypsist]

I guess we could add female avatars among the selection available. I'm surprised Tosa hasn't already done this.

[A.Saturnus]

Watchtower topic

[TosaInu]

Hello,

An alternative is to drop the 500 posts requirement. I agree, the choice of female theme avatars is pretty limited.

[octavian]

sounds like an idea Tosa, although it is helpful to spot (sometimes) newer patrons, so who knows........

[solypsist]

why not just make it 50 posts?

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (solypsist @ May 29 2004,01:18)]why not just make it 50 posts?
DO NOT DARE

Make them work for their avatars, as I did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

But seriously, though 500 posts seemed too much at the beginning, I understood it and thought it was all right. If you are going to invest time in the Org, you get your tiny reward.

God, I need a life when I'm not working, ASAP http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[TosaInu]

Hello,

It was 1,000 in the old days, a private avatar was a maybe.
I recall that it was an entirely manual proces for the admin there, had to edit a scary CGI file as well. The time consuming part should explain the maybe. Modern boards allow for much more options (pools of avatars), this one has the extra custom avatar for people who want something else than the theme ones.

Some people are active posters, others are active readers. Both activities are important. There are people who are active member for years, yet have much less than 500 posts.

There are different, pretty effortless ways, to adjust the current system. A brief explanation may help to understand.
There are 6 posting levels:
1-24 Mercenary
25-99 Man at Arms
100-199 Knight
200-324 Count
325-499 Duke
500+ PaganAdmiral.

These are defaultavatars which anyone gets based on the number of posts. They will not be displayed once an avatar is chosen from the pool or assigned by me.
There's a piece of code which tells when someone can select an avatar from the pool. Currently that condition is 500 posts or Senior Member.

The pool could be unlocked for any number of posts, posting- or member level. We could for example change it to 20 posts, anyone pass Mercenary, or to any person who's at least Senior Patron, or make it available to just anyone from the start.

[barocca]

Quote[/b] (Tricky Lady @ May 27 2004,11:08)]Would be a good idea. I am one of those who spammed their way up to 500 posts. A bit silly, but at least I got rid of these silly "duke" and "count" default avatars. Yay

BTW, I don't think the VI princesses are so terrible, apart from the ones with the tomato-red faces.

PS. This avatar only has a red nose. Seems like she's drunk or stood outside at -25°C for a couple of hours.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/avatars/VIPrincess25.gif - - - - - http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/avatars/VIPrincess25a.gif
She Does??? - but this one did

[octavian]

Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ May 29 2004,07:21)]Hello,

It was 1,000 in the old days, a private avatar was a maybe.
I recall that it was an entirely manual proces for the admin there, had to edit a scary CGI file as well. The time consuming part should explain the maybe. Modern boards allow for much more options (pools of avatars), this one has the extra custom avatar for people who want something else than the theme ones.

Some people are active posters, others are active readers. Both activities are important. There are people who are active member for years, yet have much less than 500 posts.

There are different, pretty effortless ways, to adjust the current system. A brief explanation may help to understand.
There are 6 posting levels:
1-24 Mercenary
25-99 Man at Arms
100-199 Knight
200-324 Count
325-499 Duke
500+ PaganAdmiral.

These are defaultavatars which anyone gets based on the number of posts. They will not be displayed once an avatar is chosen from the pool or assigned by me.
There's a piece of code which tells when someone can select an avatar from the pool. Currently that condition is 500 posts or Senior Member.

The pool could be unlocked for any number of posts, posting- or member level. We could for example change it to 20 posts, anyone pass Mercenary, or to any person who's at least Senior Patron, or make it available to just anyone from the start.
perhaps it would work best to set it so that anyone who becomes promoted to member gets the option. anyone who remains a senior patron for long probably isn't an active forum user anyways http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Make it 457
-Capo

[scooter_the_shooter]

well in about a month i will have 500 probably so i will be happy i am a patron and i have over a hundered

[dessa14]

heres an idea.
three different pools of avatars

senior patrons can access whatever avatar they want from pool 1

500+ can access pool 2

1000+ can access pool 3

pool 1 includes basic princesses and men at arms and such.

pool 2 includes more impressive avatars

pool 3 includes some of the very impressive inquistator avatars and of course the all famous Kensai.

also make it so you have to be a junior member to access pool 2

thanks, dessa

[Admintestc3]

Hello,

All accounts except the patron ones can now select an avatar from the pool in your control panel/personal info

Ja mata
TosaInu

[octavian]

GO Tosa

[Kaatar]

Excellent I applaud your fine judgement, TosaInu. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[frogbeastegg]

Nice work TosaInu. If I may say so the dress and wimple suits you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishagrin.gif

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Gah I had to spam to get this Avatar, just to find those dukes and counts and knights and man-at-arms and mercs dont have to, as long as there a member.
Good Job
-Capo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

[octavian]

Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ June 02 2004,18:16)]Nice work TosaInu. If I may say so the dress and wimple suits you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishagrin.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[R'as al Ghul]

Thx Tosa,

Great improvement for all those who don't like to spam but some of those over 1000 posters might see it as backstabbing?
I hope they won't be too disappointed.

Anyway it's nice to have a different avatar now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Keep up the good work. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[The Wizard]

Hmm, I don't really like it...

I thought the old system was much better, it at least gave the active people something to look out for; people who lurk and actively read don't care about how their avatar looks when they post, eh?

So yeah, bad choice.



~Wiz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

yeah i wanted to work for mine so i still wont change it till i get 500 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Indeed, I always thought it was a nice reward. I remember being very pleased when I finally got my avatar. It was special.

[Sjakihata]

I don't care, I think as many avatars as possible is good, cause then you can resemble how you want your "cyber ID" to look like

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Demon of Light]

This will likely mean that people will start to resemble each other greatly. I find it difficult enough to differentiate between Sigurd and Gawain.

[Sjakihata]

If you are in doubt, just look at their names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Demon of Light]

Quote[/b] (Sjakihata @ June 04 2004,02:40)]If you are in doubt, just look at their names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
They have names

Seriously, I think it may be slightly confusing but this isn't really a big enough deal to switch back to the previous system.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I rather liked Dessa's idea, actually.

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 04 2004,08:08)]I rather liked Dessa's idea, actually.
Well, what do you know, me too.

thanks, dessa

[ah_dut]

Tosa is a girl http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[The Wizard]

Oh, and you are also undermining the one word story and word association game. Blasphemy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

well i am a member now should i get one or stick to what is said i said i still wouldnt do it till 500 but its tempting
should i or should i not

[Duke John]

Perhaps you should try to use some punctuation. I always seem to be out of breath when I am finishing reading your post. Not meant as an insult, if I really thought it was irritating I would just ignore your post... what did you say again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[Sigurd]

Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ June 04 2004,09:46)]This will likely mean that people will start to resemble each other greatly. I find it difficult enough to differentiate between Sigurd and Gawain.
I want my own private avatar... maybe a customisation of my current one (a religious version like Odin???)... My real name means; "a Norse God" (truly)... is this a job for Master Kraellin?

[Demon of Light]

Quote[/b] (Duke John @ June 08 2004,14:18)]Perhaps you should try to use some punctuation. I always seem to be out of breath when I am finishing reading your post. Not meant as an insult, if I really thought it was irritating I would just ignore your post... what did you say again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif
You think he's bad? Have you ever seen LittleGrizzley? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dessa14]

no,no,no i am renowned for bad punctuation, DJ should know too, i was once part of the old METW team and he sent me many a pm over it.
thanks, dessa

[Ludens]

I agree with the Wizard and Demon of Light. The custom avatar was something to look forward to, and it gave you some distinction, also because it signified that you were a regular visitor here.
Now it's hard to see if someone is a new patron or an old one, because they are both using the same avatar.

Either we need more avatars, or something else has to be thought up.

[King Edward]

Although i have taken advantage of being able to pick an Avatar, i think it was good to have somthing to look forward to when you reach the 500 post mark.

I think making the more impressive Avatars available as your post count rises is a great idea

[ah_dut]

I agree with King Edward http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Tricky Lady]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ June 09 2004,16:23)]I agree with the Wizard and Demon of Light. The custom avatar was something to look forward to, and it gave you some distinction, also because it signified that you were a regular visitor here.
Now it's hard to see if someone is a new patron or an old one, because they are both using the same avatar.
That's true.
And I also used to look at the avatar first, and only then at the name, to identify the members.
But now, when I see the Lionhart avatar (which was originally used by Wellington and The_Emperor iirc) I'm always confused 'cause I always immediately link the Lionhart to The_Emperor, and not to the other people who also use this avatar.
But it's no biggie...


Quote[/b] ]Either we need more avatars, or something else has to be thought up.

Agree. Just give the people a larger choice.
Perhaps Tosa could even make the avatars unique?
(but there are probably not enough avatars for all members, so this is not such a good idea I suppose.)

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Maybe we should encourage people to have more flamboyant sigs. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

[Nigel]

I like the idea of choosing your own avatar before 500. There are people who are active in the community, but not necessarily posting a lot at (this) furums. Choosing an avatar allows them to establish their profile.

At some point I had figured that, without spamming I would take about 3 years to hit the 500 mark. At that point I gave up looking at my avatar. Now hope returns.

That said, I will probably take a while now to chosse from the many pictuers and will probably have reached 500 posts by then http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif


But seriously again, I think it's good.
The only thing, maybe the really distinctive avatars (Lionheart, Joan dArc, Barbarossa ect.) should be reserved for those who already have them and, by active posting, have attached their names to them.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Tricky Lady @ June 09 2004,23:11)]Perhaps Tosa could even make the avatars unique?
(but there are probably not enough avatars for all members, so this is not such a good idea I suppose.)
Thanks for the support, but I don't think this will work, even if we had enough avatars. There are plenty of people who leave after a few weeks or months of posting. Then their avatar would be occupied, but unused. Just take a look in the archive to see how many are already in use by ex-members.

Perhaps we should not look to the number of posts, but to how long you have been on the forum. If someone keeps visiting the forum for, say, two months, he is probably going to stay and thus deserves his own avatar.
What do you think?

[TosaInu]

Hello,

I'm mostly fine with any avatar policy. Dessa's is nice, but this board doesn't offer that, not even near. It's probably a lot of work to create it, the more as there already is a lot of custom code for avatars. It could be that a next version of Ikonboard does support this.

Ludens idea is quite workable and could even be mixed with some other requirements and or alternative conditions, I think it can be made to work fairly easily.

for example:

can select an avatar if member and (posts > 500 or member for 4 months).

Any change would have no consequences for people who have selected an avatar now, it just means that some might not be able to change it again in their cp for a while. So ah-dut for example will keep his.

There are about 1,000 avatars in the pool by now, more can be added. Which are most popular?

[TosaInu]

To specify the problem a bit more:

Dessa's system would require an update in many files and many lines. Risk is pretty high that I forget to update some.

Ludens' requires updating only 1 line in 1 file.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

A lot of people seem to have the Richard the lionheart Avatar, but also the VI avatars seem to be the most popular. Maybe we could get some more of those? I mean, there are about 4 people with Gawain/Sigurd's avatar that I've seen so far.

[Demon of Light]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 10 2004,14:29)]A lot of people seem to have the Richard the lionheart Avatar, but also the VI avatars seem to be the most popular. Maybe we could get some more of those? I mean, there are about 4 people with Gawain/Sigurd's avatar that I've seen so far.
Are you sure? Iknow that there are some avatars that look similar. 4 Gawain/Sigurds? lionheart is a favorite though.

P.S: Have you seen Sigurd lately? I think he'll have no more issues with mistaken identity.

[ah_dut]

I think that we should get more STW avatars. then we can force STW fans to use them. I think the current system works well though, but we can't have 20 peopleon the same avatar, thanks for time
AH_DUT http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Oh, he's changed to one of the avatars that Barroca made for him has he?

4 is probably an exaggeration-what I've mean is, I've seen people using it who weren't Gawain or Sigurd.

[Sigurd]

Here I am with a fresh face ready to NOT being mistaken... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
[edit]: BKS is right, there are more than 4 using this avatar (I notice) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

[TosaInu]

STW material is rather limited, at least when you compare it to the wealth of art for MTW.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

Adding avatars: VICatGen01-VICatGen60. Will add more later.

[ah_dut]

What about the pics of people in Barocca's STW there are quite a few of them

[The Wizard]

I agree heartily with Ludens' suggestion - posts > 500 or set amount of months a member.

Avatar at:
Senior Member
More than 500 posts
Member for over 4-5 months
(Assistant) Mod

What do you think?



~Wiz

[ah_dut]

sounds cool to me wiz

[octavian]

yes, i like it, not complicated, and yet it still adds distinction. one that comes to mind is oaty's avatar, at least 3 or 4 people have it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ June 16 2004,20:53)]Avatar at:
Senior Member
More than 500 posts
Member for over 4-5 months
(Assistant) Mod
Perfect. I am getting tired of all these shared avatars.

[TosaInu]

Sorry Ludens :(

I pushed the wrong button: wanted quote, did edit.

That's all or right? So, actually the old situation, plus the extra possibility of being member for over 4-5 months.

[The Wizard]

Yeah, well, extra avatars are always welcome Tosa. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif



~Wiz

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Can we get some kingly avatars that only senior members can use? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

well wont we get alot more when rtw comes out

[Tricky Lady]

Quote[/b] (octavian @ June 17 2004,00:27)]one that comes to mind is oaty's avatar, at least 3 or 4 people have it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
...And The_Emperor and Ludens' avatars are popular too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smiley.gif

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ June 17 2004,21:05)]Sorry Ludens :(

I pushed the wrong button: wanted quote, did edit.

That's all or right? So, actually the old situation, plus the extra possibility of being member for over 4-5 months.
No problem. That's what I understood.


Quote[/b] (Tricky Lady @ June 17 2004,22:45)]
Quote[/b] (octavian @ June 17 2004,00:27)]one that comes to mind is oaty's avatar, at least 3 or 4 people have it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
...And The_Emperor and Ludens' avatars are popular too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smiley.gif
My avatar? Perhaps it is because I'm using custom-avatar skin, but I've never seen anyone else using my avatar.

[scooter_the_shooter]

well some people can go to the roman ones they come i know i will

[TosaInu]

Unleashing new code now:

500 posts
or
Member for 4 months
or
Senior Member, Clan, AS Mods, CA, Mod, Admin.

[TosaInu]

Caesar010 would for example not being able to change his avatar at the moment. He already selected it, so he can keep it.

[ah_dut]

thank you lord Tosa, i've got a nearly unique avatar and am protected from avatar inflation http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

yay its back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Tricky Lady @ June 17 2004,21:45)]
Quote[/b] (octavian @ June 17 2004,00:27)]one that comes to mind is oaty's avatar, at least 3 or 4 people have it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
...And The_Emperor and Ludens' avatars are popular too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smiley.gif
Indeed, I did think about changing mine but this Avatar has been my trademark for most of the time since I hit the 500 posts mark, and I think it makes me easy to notice around here.

[Nigel]

Quote[/b] ]Unleashing new code now:

500 posts
or
Member for 4 months
or
Senior Member, Clan, AS Mods, CA, Mod, Admin.



hmm, I joined pretty much 12 month ago. Dont think it took me more than 8 month to become a member, but cant seem to change my avatar now. Its Control Panap - Personal Info - Edit Profile, right?

Is the new code not working or am I just blind http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[TosaInu]

Will check.

[Admintestc3]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

I made yet another stupid mistake with a BOOLEAN.

It's fixed now, sorry for the inconvenience.

TosaInu

[Admintestc3]

Barocca made some 170 new avatars, both male and female ones.

[Ser Clegane]

Quote[/b] (AdminTest @ July 06 2004,14:44)]Barocca made some 170 new avatars, both male and female ones.
Nifty http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[The Wizard]

Thanks to the most honourable admin squad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_bow.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

-
Woah http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif It's Vicky http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Thanks Barocca, Tosa et al. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
_

[The Wizard]

I must again express my admiration for barocca and tosa...

tosa for listening to us and working with us, and barocca making a very nice set of new avatars with limited resources http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ June 26 2004,14:20)]Caesar010 would for example not being able to change his avatar at the moment. He already selected it, so he can keep it.
but i can change it i just did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[TosaInu]

Hello ceasar010,

Thanks, deleted a zero to test and didn't put it back, requirement was 12 days instead of 120 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif