Campaignmap

[ShadesWolf]

CAMPAIGN MAP/ PROVINCES


http://www.shadesmtw.com/campmap_v2.jpg

At the moment we have 31 allocated to the UK - they are as follows:

Scotland (4)
- Lowlands - Gov
- Mid lands - other
- East - other
- high lands - other

Wales (3)
- Gwynedd - Gov
- Powys - other
- Dyfed - other

England (24)
- Cumberland
- Northumberland
- Durham
- Lancaster
- York
- Derby
- Lincolnshire
- Leicestershire
- Staffordshire
- Shrewsbury (Shropshire)
- Warwickshire
- Gloucester
- Oxfordshire
- Buckinghamshire
- Cambridgeshire
- Norfolk
- Suffolk
- Essex
- Hastings (kent)
- Sussex
- Hampshire
- Somerset
- Devon
- Exeter


EUROPEAN MAINLAND(67 So far)

FRANCE

BRITTANY
- Brest - other
- Nantes - Gov
- Rennes - other

NORMANDY
- Caen - other
- Rouen - Gov
- Alencon - other

GASCONY
- Bourdeaux - Gov
- Guyenne - other

LANGUEDOC
- Carcassonne - Gov
- Toulouse - other
- Languedoc - other


Iberian Borders
- Foix - other
- Bearn - other
- Armangnac - Gov

Dauphine
- Dauphine - Gov
- Forez - other

Limoges
- Angouleme - other
- Limoges - Gov
- Saintongne - other
- Marche - other

Auvergne
- Perigond - other
- Auvergne - other
- Rodez - other

Champagne
- champagne - Gov
- Bar - other
- Valois - other

Calais
- Calais - Gov
- Boulogne - other


Anjou
- Anjou
- Poitou
- Tournai
- Maine

Ile de France
- Paris (Ile de France) - Gov
- Dumois - other

Orleans
- Orleans - Gov
- Blois - other

Never
- bourbon - other
- Berry - Gov
- Never - other
- Auxerre - other

BURGUNDY
- Burgundy - Gov
- Franche Comte - other
- Charolais - other

Flanders
- Flanders - Gov
Flanders was reknown for Flemish Pikemen, but is also slightly rebellious: In spite of their reputation they contributed little but trouble for the Dukes, demonstrating a remarkable obstinacy to muster, endlessly arguing over pay and length of service, and on at least two occasions running ignominiously away in the face of the enemy.
- Picardy - other

Brabant
- Brabant - other
- Hainault - other
- Holland - other

SWISS
- Zurich - Gov province = Basically because is the farest prov
- Bern - other
- Aargau - other
- Schwyz - other

VENICE
- Venezia - Gov
- Padovia - other
- Verona - other

GENOA
- Genoa - Gov
- Savoy - other
- Turin - other
- Provence - other

MILAN
- Milan - Gov
- Pavia - other
- Lombardi - other
- Valais - other

Lux
- Luxembourg - Gov
- Liege - other
- Lorraine - other

[ShadesWolf]

a few maps and notes on the campaign period

http://www.shadesmtw.com/france1429.jpg

frenchcamps14151419

http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchcamps14151419.jpg

http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchcamps14201422.jpg

http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchcamps14231429.jpg

http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchcamps14301450.jpg

[ShadesWolf]

Do you think you could do something with that map ?

[Duke John]

Not for use as the campaignmap. It doesn't look that nice and they put England at a weird angle. I will fool around with the original map.

[ShadesWolf]

If it is ok by you, I will go through and make a list of the Provinces that should be included for the Mainland part of the map.

Shall we keep the current VI Britain map, or would you prefer to create a new one ?

[Duke John]

Just start from scratch. As an example of what I am capable of, here's my map I made for my Ancient mod, it worked 100% in VI:
http://chronicles.metw.net/files/map_ancient_1.jpg
And scale 1:1
http://chronicles.metw.net/files/map_ancient_2.jpg

Cheers, Duke John

[ShadesWolf]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif Excellent, I will start with detailing what provinces I want in mainland Europe, and I will also start working on units for factions. Starting with burgundy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Duke John]

Angelnessuno, excellent stuff They will give a good example on what models to make for the Italians, thanks

Campaign map
I've been pressing some buttons, and I discovered a pretty easy way to make shadowy coastlines as in the official maps. However I don't like the look of the official ones as they are not really medieval like. I do like the minimaps when selecting a campaign:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/concept_england.jpg
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/concept_europe.jpg

When I start a new mod I always try to grasp the feel that I want to give the player. In my eyes the maps above contribute much better to that feel than the official campaign map. So here's a first work-in-progress shot that I made in 30 minutes or so:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/campmap_v1.jpg

Infopics
I am also thinking of making the infopics and uniticons more medieval like. I always thought that the renderings were bit out of place. So I ask any fans of this period to search for medieval pics in the style below. That way I can extract units and use them for infopics and such.
http://crh.choate.edu/hprss/ldingwall/images/100%20Yrs.%20War.jpg

Cheers, Duke John

[ShadesWolf]

Also

now I have a map to work on I will start to decide what provinces to include.

[ShadesWolf]

A few more questions, as they come I will post them.....

QUESTION 1.

Ireland ?

Do we need Ireland?
I dont think it played any part in the war of the roses or the hundred years war.

If we lose it we would gain an extra province to use, either that or its just a shape on the map, or feel and accuracy.

What do you all think.

I appreciate they contributed hobilars and Bon's but if we are not having them in the mod do we need Ireland ?

[Duke John]

I think we can drop Ireland, but...
Quote[/b] ]If we lose it we would gain an extra province to use
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif are you planning to use all 99 provinces?

[Duke John]

Shall we contact one of the members who play Crusader Kings and ask them to make some screenshots of the European map. We will then have very quickly loads of historical provinces. I guess froggy can do that as payment for her Geisha smilies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishatongue.gif

[ShadesWolf]

Quote[/b] ]are you planning to use all 99 provinces?
With a large european map then I see no reason not to use all 99 provinces. It also depends on what we are attempting to achieve with this, if we want a fairly historically mod then why not. It would be nice to see with a number of armies what could be achieved in 85 years....

At the moment I have 23 allocated to the UK - they are as follows - please keep in mind this is first pass....

scotland (3)
- Lowlands (The home of the douglas)
- Mid lands (good name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
- high lands

Wales (2)
- North Wales
- South wales

England (18)
- Cumberland
- Northumberland
- Lancaster
- York
- chester
- Staffs & Shropshire
- hereford & Worc
- Somerset
- Cornwall & Devon
- Dorset & Hampshire
- sussex & Kent
- Wilt & Berk shires
- London
- east anglia
- Oxford
- Cambridge
- Derby & Notts
- Lincoln

European mainland (44 So far)
- Brest
- Nantes
- Normandy
- Anjou
- Poitou
- Tournai
- Bourdeaux
- Limousin
- Guyenne
- Armangnac
- Toulouse
- Auvergne
- Nimes
- Avignon
- bourbonnais
- Orleans
- Maine
- Rouen
- Paris
- nivernats
- Burgunddy
- Lyonnais
- Dauphine
- Provence
- Savoy
- Turin
- Bern
- Zurich
- Grisons
- Milan
- Veniza
- Parma
- Verona
- Genoa
- Lorraine
- champagne
- Mainaut
- Calais
- Picardy
- Flanders
- Zeeland & Holland
- Brabant (spelling corrected)
- Luxembourg

This would still leave us with another 30 ish provinces to play with, which we could us some on





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As with regard to Crusader kings, yes that would be ok, But I also have a game by Paradox, this is called Two Thrones. It cover 1337 to 1490.

Feature include
- Choose between several large nations like england, France and burgundy and fight the hundred years war, or control one of the two factions in the war of the roses.

I think this would be a good start for historicall province names.........

[Duke John]

Zeeland will be too small. I think Holland needs Zeeland to be big enough to contain armies and a castle. The map isn't that big.

Braddant should be Brabant. Guess which province Duke John (or more like Duke Jan) ruled?

The rest looks good as far as I can see.

[ShadesWolf]

Looking at the map Flanders, Zeeland and Holland are all the same size, So we could make Flanders largers and combine Zeeland and Holland, making their total area smaller...

BTW did you get the email...

[Angelnessuno]

italians: i can suggest you this region
north italy

-Venezia (Venezia)
-Piemonte (piedmont)
-Milano (Milan)
centre of italy

-toscana (tuscany)
-Roma (Rome)
-Napoli (Naples)
-Siena
-Urbino
-Ferrara
south italy

-Napoli (Naples)
isle

-sicilia (sicily)
-Sardegna

[Angelnessuno]

european medieval map


http://www.cronologia.it/storia/aa1300d.htm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Angelnessuno]

DJ this is a Italian map of period
http://www.allempires.com/empires/venice/Atl_It2.jpg

[Angelnessuno]

DJ the another italian city could be the republic venice
,it was the most important italian states of the period http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif .....if you are interest monday i will give you also the list about venetian army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[ShadesWolf]

How do the following provinces sound:

Bern
Zurich
Grisons

Savoy
Turin

Genoa

Milan
Parma

Veniza
Verona

These will be split between
- The Swiss
- rebel/ independant (ie Savoy, Turin and Genoa)
- Milan
- Venice

http://www.shadesmtw.com/2crownsTW/campmapv1sketchitaly.jpg

This is a very rough sketch, as I dont have my pen installed. It is to show what I am thinking of for the Italy/ Swiss area........

[Duke John]

ShadesWolf
Could you edit one of your posts at the first page so that they contain all provinces with some remarks like: Flanders was reknown for Flemish Pikemen, but is also slightly rebellious: In spite of their reputation they contributed little but trouble for the Dukes, demonstrating a remarkable obstinacy to muster, endlessly arguing over pay and length of service, and on at least two occasions running ignominiously away in the face of the enemy.

Burgundian Provinces
I think Burgundy should be split up:
Throughout the whole period of the Valois Dukes the majority of men-at-arms came from the two Burgundies, and to a lesser extent the province of Artois.
[Source: Armies of Medieval Burgundy 1364-1477]
When you look at the map at page 4 you will see the Duchy of Burgundy and the County of Burgundy.

Cheers, Duke John

[ShadesWolf]

Sorry DJ that was me,

when I changed the provinces, to include some Swiss and Italian ones, I must have deleted Franche-Comte and not noticed.

On a seperate subject - TURNS or YEARS.....

What your felling on this subject, both have advantages... which do you think.

If we use Turns then we could extend the game play, thus it would not be only 85 years, 4 turns could be 1 year....

however, if we dont have Years we will lose what year it is.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Hey Shades i have done a Brittany faction, do you want it( Flags, names etc) or are you concentrating on the main factions?

Really like the province ideas by the way. I have a feeling i'm going to like this mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[ShadesWolf]

Hi BKB thanks for the nice words http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

At the moment Brittany is out of the scope of this mod, as by 1415 it was not a major player.

If you want you could always email it to me, so I can put it on the back burner, for any future mods, as I dont expect to spend much time playing Rome, as its not my historic period.... But it might be moddable so who knows....

[ShadesWolf]

as for the provinces I still have about 30 ish unassigned out of the 99, SO I can just re-jig a little to include a few iberian provinces and make Brittany, Gascon and Normandy a little larger.

NP mate http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Angelnessuno]

THE REPUBLIC OF VENICE
provinces:

italian territory
-Friuli
-veneto
-part of lombardia

Isle and empire
-istria
-Dalmatia
-Corfu'
-Crete
-Cyprus
-Nasso's archipelag

Units
MERCENARIES and venetian units
-''San Marco knight''
the elite venetians man at arm
-''LANZE SPEZZATE''(heavy mounted man at arm)
-''Cavalleggeri'' (light mounted man at arm )
an heavy cavalry but the horses hadn't their armour
-''ARSENALOTTI''ELITE doge's guard
-''STRADIOTTOI''
a greek -balcan cavalry that venice recluited from her provinces it was a light cavalry ,a skimisher cavalry and it fought with light lances ,javelings and crossbow
-''SFAKIOTY''
a light cretan archers recluited from crete
-''ZAGADARI''
an heavy cavalry , a cristian auxilia cavalry
-''Mounted crossbowman''
-''Mounted archibuisers''
(from middle of 15 century)
-''Mounted Hands Gunner''
-''TARGHIERI''(Pavise crossbowman)
-''ROTULARII'' (an italian sword- and Buckler)
a light infantry that didn't fight in formation ,a skimisher unit,it fought with a sword ,a little round shield
-''FOOT MAN AT ARM''
-''CROSSBOWMAN''
-''ARCHIBUISER''
-''Heavy Infantry with lances''
-''Light infantry with lances''
-''RONCOLIERI'' (billman)
-''Archers''
-''Militia''
-''PROVISIONATI''
a permanent heavy infanry well trained
ABROUD MERCENARIES:
-Swiss pikeman
-german pikeman
-german hands gunner


MILANESE

PROVINCES
-LOMBARDIA


MERCENARIES and Milanese units

the elite venetians man at arm
-''LANZE SPEZZATE''(heavy mounted man at arm)
-''Cavalleggeri'' (light mounted man at arm )
an heavy cavalry but the horses hadn't their armour
-''Mounted crossbowman''
-''Mounted archibuisers''
(from middle of 15 century)
-''Mounted Hands Gunner''
-''TARGHIERI''(Pavise crossbowman)
-''ROTULARII'' (an italian sword- and Buckler)
a light infantry that didn't fight in formation ,a skimisher unit,it fought with a sword ,a little round shield
-''FOOT MAN AT ARM''
-''CROSSBOWMAN''
-''ARCHIBUISER''
-''Heavy Infantry with lances''
-''Light infantry with lances''
-''RONCOLIERI'' (billman)
-''Archers''
-''Militia''
-''PROVISIONATI''
a permanent heavy infanry well trained
ABROUD MERCENARIES:
-Swiss pikeman
-german pikeman
-german hands gunner
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Duke John]

I've been a bit more busy with the campmap and below is a test image for the purpose of matching the palette and looks... so how does it look?
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/dev_campmap/campmap_wip_v1.jpg

ShadesWolf
Are you busy with making a work-in-progress LukUp? I want to finish that part as quickly as possible so that we have a base to start modding with. If you don't have the time at the moment, could you please make a quick sketch of which provinces are to be included and how large they should be? I will then make an image for LMM to process.

3D Unit profile
Well, not exactly a profile, but this might be a feature on the website if I can get the size smaller:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/misc/profile_voulgier.avi

Cheers, Duke John

[ShadesWolf]

Quote[/b] ]ShadesWolf
Are you busy with making a work-in-progress LukUp? I want to finish that part as quickly as possible so that we have a base to start modding with. If you don't have the time at the moment, could you please make a quick sketch of which provinces are to be included and how large they should be? I will then make an image for LMM to process.


Im currently working on provinces. With the enlarged map I need to re-look at Italy. I also want to change Brittany and Normandy to add more.

I also need to look at Iberia. I am planning on getting these completed in the next couple of days.

The following sketchs are what I have so far.

http://www.shadesmtw.com/england.gif

http://www.shadesmtw.com/france2.gif

[Duke John]

Is Iberia needed? It's all fine but I'm quickly loosing BIF slots, and if I want to also make Spanish troops then I need to loose some units that I would much rather keep.

What about Luxembourg?

Edit: I noticed that some provinces are placed wrongly (Brabant at least)? Is this on purpose?

[ShadesWolf]

Brabant should touch the coast, but im trying to even provinces out. If I increase its size, Holland and Zeeland will reduce in size.

[ShadesWolf]

With the enlarged campaign, we have the following factions..

England
York
Scotland
Brittany
flanders
France
Swiss
Burgundy
Italy (Milan and Ventian)
HRE

Brittany will share the same early year units as France.

I would also assume that the Italian units will be similar.

I also assume that a pikemen from Scotland is similar to a Flemish pike, but they are both differnt to Swiss.

Looking at all of this, makes me think Iberia is a province to far, and get me out of having to create maps/ castles for the area. OK we will drop Iberia. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Duke John]

So we won't need this anymore:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/dev_campmap/provinces_england.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif
Ok.

Quote[/b] ]Hows about going the other way. We go back to a later period of the hundred years war and continue to include the Burgundian Wars.

Ok then, I thought you would like to see the entire HYW (well you still do), and I came across some images/manuscripts which inspired me alot into making some 14th century models. But ok, we're back to our initial concept.

[Ellesthyan]

Darn, no Bertram Duguesclin... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[frogbeastegg]

Quote[/b] (Duke John @ June 08 2004,20:45)]Shall we contact one of the members who play Crusader Kings and ask them to make some screenshots of the European map. We will then have very quickly loads of historical provinces. I guess froggy can do that as payment for her Geisha smilies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishatongue.gif
I've only just found this thread and skim read it until I hit this; if you want CK screenies than just ask and give me somewhere to send them. I already have a map pieced together covering England, Wales, Scotland, France and Germany in full detail with the names visible.

If you need anything from CK, ask.

This mods sounds as if it may tempt me to play again, and that is no mean feat - I've never bothered with a mod and I have actually begun to hate MTW.

[Duke John]

Thanks, froggy Could you then please show us some screens of the French/Flanders/Italian/Western part of HRE and Swiss regions, or in short the regions that are in the campmap screen that I showed some posts ago.

Thanks in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[frogbeastegg]

I need hosting, I can't use the frog/arena/head hall spaces here...

[Duke John]

Could you perhaps post it in the Arena, CK thread? I'll download them and then you can remove them. If that is not possible/too much of a hassle then send them to my email.


Quote[/b] ]This mods sounds as if it may tempt me to play again, and that is no mean feat - I've never bothered with a mod and I have actually begun to hate MTW.
Modding doesn't earn me any money but these comments make it all worthwhile, thanks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-nice.gif

[frogbeastegg]

OK, I'll chop the huge image down to a reasonable size and post in a new topic in the arena for you, so I don't hit unsuspecting patrons with a massive image. If you need anything else PM me, I don't read the mod forums; I found this because of a link in one of the RTW threads on accuracy.

[Duke John]

I have looked at the campmap and together with the Crusader King map, a historical map and your sketches I have come upon the grand total of 104 provinces This is gonna be one hell of a map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif
Now let's hope that M:TW supports 104, what it seems to do when I looked through the files of LMM.

Cheers, Duke John

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

As far as i'm aware it is up to 107. However, it could be more except i heard sea regions are hardcoded to certain colours http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Duke John]

In the LMM folders you will find Lookuptable.txt: 002-215 is reserved for landregions -> 214/2=107 regions... you are right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Anyway here's the layout of the European regions:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/dev_campmap/dev_provinces_europe.jpg
D. stands for Duchy
C. stands for County
V. stands I have no idea

I've used a historical map and Osprey maps for additional reference so I think this one is pretty accurate.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

DJ, do you think its possible to define the sea regions as land regions in order to gain more provinces? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I beieve it wasmainly a Bishopric in Limoges, definetly at the time of when the Black prince sacked it in 1371(?) but i'm not sure in this mods timebase.

Loking good though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Angelnessuno]

DJ ....lombardy is the name of the region that include Milan and pavia
i suggest you to change Lombardy with ''Alessandria'' or
''Brescia''or ''Bergamo'' or ''Parma''
Turin is in the North and not after Genoa
anyway i post in the 4th page of this topic the map of italy ....i think that is a good idea to use the name of cities for the italian provinces it reflect the typical italian city-states feeling of the period
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[Duke John]

Good to hear you agreeing

Could you also post your opinion about wether the Italian citystates have about the right size/form?

Thanks, Duke John

[Angelnessuno]

oky.....
i agree with your idea about the size/form of provinces the only thing that i think that you should change is the name of province :Lombardy because it is the name of a region while the other italian provinces are the name of cities for example with ''BERGAMO'' and turin is in the north- west upon genoa.....in the 4 page of this topic there is a map of italy
the cities most important are these ,you can choose between these :

DUCHY of MILAN
-Milan
-Alessandria
-Parma
-Cremona
-Como
REP. OF VENICE
-Venice
-Padova
-Verona
-Bergamo
-Brescia

other provinces :
Genoa
Turin


http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Duke John]

Ok, thanks. Then I can start working on the map...although I'm also testing something out that deals with rendering 100 animated soldiers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Duke John]

I have finished the campaign map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif
It has 97 provinces, a few less as orginally since England needed to miss a few to be able to fit castles in the regions.

http://www.totalwar.org/twocrowns/dev/pic/campmap_screen_1_1.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/twocrowns/dev/pic/campmap_screen_1_2.jpg

ShadesWolf
I will polish it a bit, before I will upload it. But be assured that the campmap is no longer a problem.

Interface
I have said before that I want to give the game a more medieval feel. One of the changes will be the use of eleborate capitals at the start of a description. Below is a work-in-progress shot.
http://www.totalwar.org/twocrowns/dev/pic/infopic_screen_1_1.jpg

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Looks very good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Angelnessuno]

that's great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Julius Caesar]

Nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Duke John]

I have given the MapTex a new texture based on the sea texture of the official maps. I think that it looks good enough for a first beta, so I'll now move on to other things.

http://totalwar.org/twocrowns/dev/pic/campmap_screen_2_1.jpg

ShadesWolf
Once you have sent me the final province name list I will write all the names on the map. They are on a seperate layer so it's no problem at all if they need to be changed in the future. The same counts for the font, if we want a different one or larger then it can be replaced relatively easily.

Cheers, Duke John

[Highlander X]

damn nice, map guys. and the bottom corner there just makes it that much better, stained glass. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

[ShadesWolf]

Ive started to allocate Gov provinces and their associated dependant province, if you have any suggestions or comments please feel free to make them. I will attemp where possible to make these as historic as possible.

See page one of the thread for more detail.

[alman9898]

Awesome map

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[ShadesWolf]

Glad you liked it....

DJ worked very hard on it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[cutepuppy]

If I see the work some of you guys are doing, I wonder why you aren't hired by CA.
great work

[ShadesWolf]

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