Unit graphics

[Duke John]

French Royal Knights
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_french_royal.gif

English Royal Knights
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_english_royal.gif

Burgundian Men-at-Arms
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_burgundian_maa.gif

Voulgiers
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_voulgier.gif

Mercenary Pikemen
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_mercenary_pikemen.gif

Swiss Armoured Pikemen
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_swiss_armoured_pikemen.gif

Swiss Halberdiers
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_swiss_halberdier.gif

Men-at-Arms with Italian armour
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/infopic_italian_armour.gif

This model will get the following variations:
- French/Italian MAA; Armet is replaced with a Barbut, Pollaxe replaced with warhammer.
- French Royal Knights; gold edging, blue tabard with golden fleur-de-lys, pollaxe replaced with greatsword.
- French/Italian Knights; gold edging, quartered tabard.
- All of the above will also get a mounted version.

Cheers, Duke John

[NormanPain]

Alot of people will whine that they dont have kilts so you might want to put the fact that they didnt wear them in the unit description. The scots were pretty good with spears and pikes(look at bannockburn for example.) and also the famous claymore was used by them which believe it or not is said to be almost perfectly balanced and handles beautifully, its even been said that the only think that betters it in that sense is a Katana...and barely...so despite its large size it was not hard to wield effectively (attack or charge bonus?) Possibly make units afraid of it as it was quite a bit of a psychological weapon as well, I mean with some nearly six feet long it is intimidating. Sorry Im getting a bit long winded here, so I must go, I hope I have helped some. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Angelnessuno]

they are of hight quality you must enlarge all the images they are amazing
-italian condottiere
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=90-901
-italian man-at-arm
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=90-006


-italian knight
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=54-037

-italian alabardier
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=54-036

-savoy standar bear
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=54-510

-italian infantry
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=75-004

-venetian infantry
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=75-008

-italian knight
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=le-0154
-naepolitan archibuiser
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_it.asp?code=90-002

[Angelnessuno]

thanks a lot DJ

-german Landsquenecht
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=150-001

-french knight
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=54-005

-swiss captain

http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=54-019
-german knight

-english standarbear
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=54-171

-Agincourt battle, 1415
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=54-801
-german infantry
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=75-002
-german knight
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=90-009
-italian pavise arbalester
http://www.pegasomodels.com/details_en.asp?code=90-027
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[Angelnessuno]

-venetianm general ,italian stradiotti,milan ,sienese ecc
http://www.histomin.com/linemcf/pgmcfren.htm
http://www.histomin.com/lineemi/emimed/pgemimedvig.htm

(italian knight)
http://users.erols.com/sabatinr/italiano.jpg

-medieval (general)

http://www.histomin.com/lineevd/pgevdmed.htm
http://www.histomin.com/lineemi/emimed/pgemimedfoot.htm
http://www.histomin.com/lineand/andmed/pgandmedfoot.htm
http://www.histomin.com/lineand/andmed/pgandmed90.htm
-medieval knight
http://www.histomin.com/lineemi/emimed/pgemimedmtd.htm

-Spanish
http://www.ttfxmedia.com/beneito/
http://www.histomin.com/lineand/andren/pgandren.htm#54foot
http://www.histomin.com/lineevd/pgevdren.htm

-GERMAN LANDSKNECHT
http://www.histomin.com/lineagi/agiren/pgagiren.htm

-landsknecht and swiss and spanish
http://www.histomin.com/lineelt/pgeltren.htm

[ShadesWolf]

Quote[/b] ]

14th century
1. Knights
2. Dismounted Knights
3. Light Cavalry
4. Mounted Men-at-Arms
5. Men-at-Arms
6. Artillery Crew
7. Spearmen
8. Archers
9. Voulgiers
10. Longbows
11. Billmen
12. Flemish Militia


So with going back to a 15th century campaign, in this case 1403 - 1485 (or 1500) we should be able to free up the above BIFS.


DJ could you have a look at creating me another Longbow unit, similar to the one below. I have had a good luck around the WoTR mod, and for the opening - Battle of Shrewsbury, I can use shire billmen, and shire longbows, along with Men-at-arms and knights. But Im a little short on longbows, it would be nice to have two differnt BIF, So I can call the new one cheshire Longbows, or visa-versa.

Also I have scanned in annother Graham Turner image, as below..

http://www.shadesmtw.com/retainedarcher.jpg

http://www.shadesmtw.com/mountedknight.jpg

http://www.shadesmtw.com/knightkill.jpg

[Duke John]

There are 2 Longbows BIFs already included in the WotR beta. But I guess I have foresight:
http://chronicles.metw.net/tc/pics/wip_archer.gif
Thanks for the GT pics

[Duke John]

Hmmm, those pics are quit full with action. Once I have a horse model I might turn them into a rendered intro movie...

[ShadesWolf]

Another excellent BIF for me to use. This one will be the CHESHIRE Longbow unit...

Thanks DJ.

How far away is that BIF from a moving usable BIF, as once I have that I can start looking at creating the Battle of Shrewsbury for our first mod release (ONLINE PLAY) if you like ?

[Duke John]

If the Longbow is the only unit you need, then I will that unit will get priority, it will take 2/3 days or so.

Cheers, Duke John

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Lovely jubbly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

By the way that Longbowman book has one of my fav osprey pics when the British archers are assaulting the earthworks of Castillon, 1453 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[SwordsMaster]

DJ, only from a purely esthetic point of view, those guys look like they have rapper-american football t-shirts.

My suggestion is to make them longer (knee?) and add a sort of belt (even with a scabbard).

Otherwise they are great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Sorry for disrupting you thread BTW.

[Emp. Conralius]

Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 16 2004,11:16)]DJ, only from a purely esthetic point of view, those guys look like they have rapper-american football t-shirts.

My suggestion is to make them longer (knee?) and add a sort of belt (even with a scabbard).

Otherwise they are great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Sorry for disrupting you thread BTW.
They're called throwback jerseys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

But im j/k, thats the Yankee coming out in me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


Wow DJ, you never cease to amaze. I really admire what you and Shadeswolf are doing. Without a doubt these are the best models that I've seen in any mod for MTW. All I can say is keep up the good/excellent/magnificent work

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Gotta love these smiley icons

[ShadesWolf]

The models are all down to DJ

[Duke John]

Quote[/b] ]My suggestion is to make them longer (knee?) and add a sort of belt (even with a scabbard).

Kneelength tabards were used during the pre-15th century. In the 15th century the tabards/jupons got shorter. You should put faith me that I try to make the models as historical as possible. Although I must say that I am restricted to the Osprey book illustrations and manuscript illustrations from the 15th century. I do not make this kind of stuff up.

Cheers, Duke John

[NormanPain]

Maybe the tunics should be just a shade darker...looks a little to bright to have been done with medieval dyes but maybe I'm wrong, I dunno, Dont know much about textiles in the middle ages...what I always wonder is how they go t paint to stick to their armour(i.e. Parade Armour)...I imagine they mixed pitch with the paint so it would stick and be waterproof as well? Anyways, they look great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[SwordsMaster]

I didnt mean they are unaccurate DJ, I just wanted to say that they look more like football jerseys, and thus my suggestion. Maybe NP is right and they should be a little darker... I didnt research the period, so I dont pretend being right. It was more of an artistic opinion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[ShadesWolf]

OK guys a quick bit of research from my books on the period. Pre-1400 - ie Edward III reign appears to have 'shirts' hanging between knees and bottom.

All the books I have showing after 1400 Henry IV+ , show the 'shirts' hanging around the bottom, so they appear to have gone up about 6 inchs.

[Angelnessuno]

great work DJ i love your new units specially
the french and italian knight ......simply the best http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[ShadesWolf]

A few more inages
english Knight
http://www.shadesmtw.com/englishknight.gif

French Knights
http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchknight.gif



http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchknight2.gif



http://www.shadesmtw.com/frenchknight3.gif

[Angelnessuno]

the last picture can be an italian knight because the italians didn't used any kind of clotes upon their armours ,they dress only their nude armours

[Angelnessuno]

i mean the picture called '' KNIGHT WITH ITALIAN ARMOUR'' in the first reply and not the pictures of ShadesWolf

[KyodaiSteeleye]

nice models DJ.

One question - would men in battle armour have had plumes on their helmets? I was under the impression this was just a tournament thing.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Duke John]

I've seen plumes on several Osprey plates. I would much rather make a couple of units in complete white armour, but that would make it pretty difficult to recognize your own men. To compromise I will add the plumes on some models so that the faction colours are still visible. On other models I use diagonal stripes from cloth (I've seen this in other sources).

Quote[/b] ]I was under the impression this was just a tournament thing.

You may still be right of course http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-nice.gif

Quote[/b] ]the last picture can be an italian knight because the italians didn't used any kind of clotes upon their armours ,they dress only their nude armours
I think I will make one unit in white armour without any livery and the men-at-arms in Italian armour will probably be the one.

(White armour is armour without any clothing, livery. You only see plate.)

Cheers, Duke John

[Eastside Character]

Hi Duke John http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I know I now sound like anyone else, but all these graphics are simply http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Regards,
EC

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Plumes were used by many knights in battle, particulary by the extravagent french knights and guests in the french armies.

[ah_dut]

Quote[/b] (Duke John @ May 31 2004,14:41)]Renderings that were posted on page 1.
Amazing:jawdrop:

[Edit by Duke John: Thank you for your appreciation, but I would appreciate it you don't quote entire posts, especially those who are image heavy. It would have been enough if you just said that the renderings are amazing. This isn't meant harshly, I wouldn't dare to a potential customer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif]