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Quid
06-20-2004, 22:53
Keep this philosophy in mind the next time you either hear or are about to repeat a rumour.

In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, 'Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?'

'Wait a moment,' Socrates replied. 'Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test.'

'Triple filter?'

'That's right,' Socrates continued. 'Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are going to tell me is true ?'

'No,' the man said, 'actually I just heard about it and...'

'All right,' said Socrates. 'So you don't really know if it's the truth or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?'

'No, on the contrary...'

'So,' Socrates continued, 'you want to tell me something bad about him, eventhough you're not certain it's true?'

The man shrugged embarrassed.

Socrates continued, 'You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me ?'

'No, not really...'

'Well,' concluded Socrates, 'if what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all ?'

The man was defeated and ashamed.

This is the reason Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem.

It also explains why he never found out that Plato was shagging his wife...

Quid

RisingSun
06-20-2004, 23:14
You'd cheat on him too if all he ever did in bed was ask questions. Must've pillow-talked to no end. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Somebody Else
06-21-2004, 00:02
Quote[/b] (quid @ June 21 2004,00:53)]It also explains why he never found out that Plato was shagging his wife...
Socrates had a wife? Plato was shagging her? And here I was thinking neither of them were particularly straight.

A.Saturnus
06-22-2004, 01:35
Socrates´ wife was Xantippe.

Teutonic Knight
06-22-2004, 01:49
Quote[/b] (A.Saturnus @ June 21 2004,20:35)]Socrates´ wife was Xantippe.
there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Rocket_Boy
06-22-2004, 13:34
Funny, I would have imagined that particular information may have been of some use to him after all.

BDC
06-22-2004, 13:46
It would just have made him unhappy.

Instead he just thought 1) wow my wife seems happier, 2) wow she seems better in bed and 3) Plato seems to be keen to do lots of odd jobs for me, what a nice chap.

Red Peasant
06-22-2004, 14:23
Yes, Xanthippe, the ancient model for the constantly nagging wife. With respect to her, Socrates was a stoic Though we only get his perspective. His refusal to make money from his skills, reputation and fame must have irked her and their three sons. Old Socrates just seemed to hang around his young friends talking the day away.

One of the surviving anecdotes is of her throwing a bucket of washing water over him, to which he replied in resignation: 'After thunder comes rain.'

Also, his experience of marriage probably explains his comment that, 'Marry, or marry not, in any case you'll regret it'

BDC
06-22-2004, 14:44
Quote[/b] (Red Peasant @ June 22 2004,14:23)]Also, his experience of marriage probably explains his comment that, 'Marry, or marry not, in any case you'll regret it'
It's amazing how some things survive thousands of years of social change isn't it?

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Lord Ovaat
06-22-2004, 15:33
Quote[/b] ]It's amazing how some things survive thousands of years of social change isn't it?


We've had social change? Man I must have missed it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

BDC
06-22-2004, 15:35
Quote[/b] (Lord Ovaat @ June 22 2004,15:33)]
Quote[/b] ]It's amazing how some things survive thousands of years of social change isn't it?


We've had social change? Man I must have missed it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Well you are having a discussion withont someone thousands of miles away instantly...

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Spino
06-22-2004, 20:40
Quote[/b] (BDC @ June 22 2004,08:46)]It would just have made him unhappy.

Instead he just thought 1) wow my wife seems happier, 2) wow she seems better in bed and 3) Plato seems to be keen to do lots of odd jobs for me, what a nice chap.
Would this qualify Plato as being a 'cheeky bastard'?

Big King Sanctaphrax
06-22-2004, 20:45
Quote[/b] (Spino @ June 22 2004,20:40)]
Quote[/b] (BDC @ June 22 2004,08:46)]It would just have made him unhappy.

Instead he just thought 1) wow my wife seems happier, 2) wow she seems better in bed and 3) Plato seems to be keen to do lots of odd jobs for me, what a nice chap.
Would this qualify Plato as being a 'cheeky bastard'?
No, he'd need to have stabbed someone for that to be the case. In Cardiff, anyway.