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Rosacrux
07-02-2004, 14:23
Having experienced the stunning (and extremely time-consuming) Crusader Kings (CK) addiction, I've tried another Paradox gem.

And I couldn't pick any other but the single most hard and complicated Paradox game, a game with about 10X more detail than CK, which is alrady 10X more complicated than MTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

I must say, this game ain't for the faint at heart. It takes time and lots of reading to get accustomed to, so it's quite not stuff for the casual gamer. I bought it, installed it and began to play. A quarter of an hour later, I resigned the game, grabbed the manual and read it. Then I d/lded several guides, tables, manual addendums, charts and other stuff from Paradox forums and a couple fan sites. Read them all for a couple of days... after understanding what's going on, I came back to Vicky. And I got hoocked on.

If you are looking for a tough, intelligent, mind-bogging, time-consuming, impressive game, then you got to try it out. The most perfect and realistic economic-political-social model in a game ever.

And it's tough too. And overwhelming.

But I love it already (having played only a few hours).

Sternness
07-02-2004, 18:26
I wonder if the opposite would happen to me. Right now I only have Vicky, and I'm thinking of picking up CK (or EU2 if I ever see it in a bargin bin).

I'm quite comfortable with Vicky as it stands, so I fear I'll be let down by CK and/or EU2. Anyone else start with Vicky and then move on to another Paradox game?

Leet Eriksson
07-02-2004, 22:59
CK is pretty awesome,its not like Victoria,but it still has its qualities.I just hope they release the next patch,i hear they will add some stuff for byzantium http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Efrem Da King
07-03-2004, 06:08
This game Is good fun. I like playing austria in 1914 for a less complicated game.

I really want to get into it.....

Alrowan
07-03-2004, 14:22
i cant wait till they release HoI 2

its aparently meant to be more simple than HoI in some aspects, and yet more in depth in others. Ive had HoI for ages, got hooked at one point, then it lost me, and ive just started playing it again. HoI 2, if it holds the diplomatic and political engine of victoria, it will be one more step in depth

BTW i still love victoria, its an awesome game

for a real challenge, try the CSA in the civil war, on a harder setting... i tell u what, if u manage to hold off the union forces in the first war, the seccond time you war them (it WILL happen) ytou wont stand a chance.


on another note, ive never called it the American Civil War, to me its more like the CSA war of independence.. one that they lost.

rasoforos
07-03-2004, 16:01
This game sounds cool but i m not taking the chance to buy it full due to its complxity. I ll buy it sometime in the future.
You guys say that the economic model is quite complex? Where can i find anymore info on WHAT economic model does the game actually use? Is it realistic in recreated the failed trade models several countries were using back then or does it rely on modern models?
By the way if you guys need an economist specialising in International Trade then my rates are very reasonable...
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Shahed
07-05-2004, 04:05
Hello Everyone http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Been a while so first, HI

Let me just say this TW and Vicky are very different but let me also say this if I had to choose I'd probably choose Vicky, anytime, anyday. It's the best grand strategy game I ever played. FULL STOP. Maybe it's not the most fun becuase it's so deep you can actually live your life playing that game, or at least a few years of it if you play 10 hours a day. And yea it's work to figure some stuff out in that game. I still love TW though I love complexity, and hence I love VERY complex ideas, thoughts, and naturally also games.

Everything is down to minute detail. No real time battles but nevertheless I'm working on building my 4,300,000 Army of the USA to challenge the supremacy of Her Majesty's Army. I'm building a fleet of 350 ships to blockade the B ritish Isles and directly challenge and annihilate Her Majesty's 327 ship fleet (of which about 50 are Battleships including Dreadnoughts). Why all this ...well if I start goping into that I'll be here for about 2 hours writing about the sequence of events which lead me to believe that America's time to spring into the top spot has come early, very early by about a century.

There are events in the game which are so incredible pages of stuff to read, stuff and people some of us may never have heard about without this game.

You can play as ANY nation. You are NOT restricted by game balance (and all the nonsense). You can play China, Punjab, Kashmir, Nassau, Haiti, Britain, Denmark....ANY country YOU want, you can play it Of course playign as the Punjab and fighting 2,700,000 British troops is a challenge that most stay away from but it IS possible and it's DAMM hard. The AI is excellent and can be VERY cunning.

The economic model is VERY deep but Ras it's not 100% down to university economics. There is a defintely some simplification but markets in the game work very well and it's possible to deduce that the developers actually read about economics and they DID VERY detailed study into that time period. It's not 100% at all though it's simplified, so if you look at it through an economist's lens and judge it as an economic simulation I don't think it would score more than let's say 50% but honestly 50% is already very adequate. If you look at TW it 10%.

The map level is DEEP. Continents, regions, states and finally provinces. The politics I still have not understood and I played manyi hours already. It's an excellent political simulation, you can't choose your goverment (well sometimes you can), your people choose the government.

I'm thinking I should just wipe put the darn Mexicans and annex them, make them part of the USA......BUT unlike in TW you can't just do that. The diplomacy is far more complex that that. Just attack a country and then another on a TW conquest and soon you will find the world at war with you..... and unlike TW, they WILL show you what that thin red line is all about

Basically if you choose a global domination path BE READY for BLOODSHED. I'm taking millions of men removed from your factories, farms and thrown into the fire of war. If you fail many of them will perish and with them will perish your nation...maybe not instantly but go into a war, lose 5 million and it has a MASSIVE impact on your nations economy. Unlike TW you have a limited manpower pool (i.e limited population) and you can actually deplete this pool to a level from which your nation will not recover.

I love the TW series and I can tell you I love Vicky. It's also in a class of it's own. It is unparrelled, just like TW. It's for the hard core gamer though who plays many hours per week, no instant gratification in Vicky ...except maybe the WW1 scenario.

I highly recommend this game.

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Shahed
07-05-2004, 05:45
Let me just bump this over all the over 555,5555,555,555 vicky threads here....and that's all from me folks. Wish you the best till we meet again.

Adios

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Kraellin
07-05-2004, 19:15
is there a demo version and what's the link to their home page?

K.

el_slapper
07-05-2004, 19:43
Commentaire[/b] (Kraellin @ Juill. 05 2004,19:15)]is there a demo version and what's the link to their home page?

K.
Paradox never makes demos. The way their games are designed, it would be faaar too easy to pirate... Anyways, EU2 should be really cheap now(15€ 1 year ago) & is ultimate kickass with the recent 1.08 patch. My idea of a demo, with 800 hours of gameplay or so...

Shahed
07-06-2004, 09:24
Hi K.

Victoria Official Homepage (http://www.paradoxplaza.com/victoria.asp)

ParadoxPlaza the makers of Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis 2 and Victoria (http://www.paradoxplaza.com/)

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frogbeastegg
07-06-2004, 19:42
You can add me to the crowd of Vicky player lurking hereabouts; now I have CK, EU2 and Vicky. I'd been trying to decide whether to take the plunge or not for a while; while I like the sounds of the game I don't like the setting and all those numbers sound like hell for a dyslexic frog. One thread on the Vicky main forums later and I'm convinced to give it a go, it'll be an uphill struggle but there are loads of people eager to help if I need to ask. The fact is was going cheap in town helped too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishagrin.gif

I've not actually played it yet, but I foresee great amounts of this smiley http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishaquestion.gif in the near future...

Krae, CK and EU2 put TW to shame in terms to strategy, detail, and depth, the only thing they don’t utterly thrash TW on is the battles. It is partly thanks to these games that I now hate MTW so much I have uninstalled it and intend never to play it again.

Kraellin
07-06-2004, 19:53
thanks sinan :)

froglips, do we now call you queen froggy, or just froggy the first? ;)

K.

LordKarolinger
07-06-2004, 23:37
Vicky is a good game if you can manage everything. I got the game recently and I was doing pretty well as the U.S on a GC. Speedy Industrialization process, decent prestige, decent military yet I could hardly do anything because I can't figure out how to get my pops all their needs and my aristocrats keep revolting.

PaolinoPaperino
07-06-2004, 23:47
never tryed Vicky, but u can enlist me in the EU2 lovers list.

My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

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LordKarolinger
07-06-2004, 23:49
Anyone played HOI and Vicky and have comments on HOI. I've been thinking about getting it.

Efrem Da King
07-07-2004, 04:34
ahh

DON'T


Its really very very very flawed.

Alrowan
07-07-2004, 11:51
HoI is actually fun, though it needs some work still, im looking forward to HoI 2 it sounds much better. Id suggest u wait till HoI 2 is released

Alrowan
07-07-2004, 11:53
on another note, today i started a campagin as the swedes, ive purchased some of finalnd off russia, and the virgin isles off denmark. My next aim is to get some pacific islands with that tropical wood... can u say IKEA :D

el_slapper
07-07-2004, 20:05
Commentaire[/b] (PaolinoPaperino @ Juill. 06 2004,23:47)]never tryed Vicky, but u can enlist me in the EU2 lovers list.

My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

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Don't dream about it. Johan Anderson, Paradox's main programmer, does hate totalwar series http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Would have been soooooo cool, still...

Sternness
07-07-2004, 21:02
Quote[/b] ]My next aim is to get some pacific islands with that tropical wood... can u say IKEA :D

Oh my god that's golden.

frogbeastegg
07-08-2004, 11:36
Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ July 06 2004,19:53)]froglips, do we now call you queen froggy, or just froggy the first? ;)
I'm a modest froggy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif You may call me empress froggy, but I do like the sounds of 'supreme ruler of the universe'.

For any other overwhelmed newbie like me I have found this replacement manual/strategy guide (http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136763) to be invaluable. Vicky is a very promising game so far; my current overriding goal is to find that music track that goes pom-pom pom POM pom-diddly-pom and remove it. Falalalan for the vicky age http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

Sternness
07-08-2004, 19:56
It shouldn't be too bad to edit the music files in this game. I'm sure that I've read about people at the official board doing so. All the music files are just mp3s located in the Victoria\Music folder, free to be copied or replaced as the empress' sees fit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Alrowan
07-09-2004, 01:49
if u dont like the music, turn it off and stick ur own music playing in the background


anyway, i like that drumming one :p



on another note, sweden has conquered the vietnamese, now owns its pacific isles in polynesia, has had several mixed campagins vs russia. the year is now 1902, only 18 years left. Ive decided to go all out, first on my list is siam, i hope i can make swedish indochina. After i deal with them, i will hopefully use my new grand alliance (sweden, prussia, UK, and France) to crush the russian empire once and for all. They are currently the biggest industrial power in the world, with a whopping 2500++ industrial rating. Im hoping i can grab some of that for myself, seeing as i have a measly 350.

My aims for the campagin is to make it to be a great power. Im 9th at the moment, only one more to go

PaolinoPaperino
07-09-2004, 05:25
Thx Slapper, didn't know it.
Johan Anderson could change his mind one day...I hope
But I hope as well that Paradox solves it's distribution problems.
I live in Dublin, and I am a bit tired to see astounished faces when I ask for Victoria, in computer-games shops.

frogbeastegg
07-09-2004, 08:45
I'm half way to assembling a custom playlist; I have removed the tracks I don't like and am replacing them with ones I do. I did the same thing with CK and EU2, much easier to let the game handle the edited playlist than having to fiddle around setting up a decent playlist in media player every time I want to play.

I shall start my next game soonish, this one with the aim of doing more than looking at the interface and seeing how the game runs. I can't decide between Belgium and Brazil, they are both recommended as good newbie countries; I suppose I shall flip a coin.

Alrowan
07-09-2004, 09:28
well its 1915

in 1904 Sweden opened up war again on russia, calling on her allies france and prussia we moved against the giant joining with austria who was also at war. This campgain was much better for sweden, her smaller armies were able to take advantage of the fact the russians had left thier border defences. So sweden was able to sweep into the north, taking the rest of the finish peninsuala, and managing to occupy st-petersburg. At this point the russians began to mobiles north, and send a counter attack. Prussia was eating up the south with austria, so Sweden fought for a few more months. We managed to push south far enough to get a most favourable peace deal. All the Finish peninsual bar one unimportant provience was occupied (due to a significant insurgent).

anyway, the swedes invited a russian delegate to the captured capital of st-petersburg, and there they hammered out the peace of 1905. The swedes would keep nearly all the land they held at the time of the treaty, the russians were given the ancient capital back to them, tohugh it was now an island amoungst the swedish lands. Prussia wasnt invited to the negotiations, though sweded spoke on thier behalf, seeing as they enetered as swedens allies, they were denied the right to keep the lands they conquered, though sweden would remember thier help. France too didnt take part.

All that was left were the negotiations with greece, russias only ally. so the swedish delegates took a train from st-petersburg to athens and there met with the greek and french delegates. France had invaded the city, and controlled half of greece. But before sweden arrived, they made thier own seperate peace, gaining half of greece. When the sedish delegation arrived, they managed to negotiate a white peace between the remaining parties.

Austria soon too negotiated peace.

An so ended the war of 1904-1905.

In the years following the war, sweden brought rail to her newly aquired lands, also large investments into factories in the newly aquired lands arround st-petersburg. The Liberals won their first election over the Konservative party in the same year. Sweden also set about raising new armies. Thousands of russian and uralic people were conscripted into the army as well, 2 new battleships were built to modernise the aging navy, and Sweden began the arms race, builing up all forms of power on her borders. It was only a matter of time before war broke out again, and this time it could be the last.

When the year 1915 came along, the tensions had risen to new levels in europe. Austria once again declared war on Russia, grinding deepinto her heartlands, Russia responded by a full mobilisation, though this time the tzars were not taking any chances, and mobilised 450000 men at her capital alone. Isolated on this territorial island, the men were useless to stop austria, save for three steamers in the baltic and russias new fleet shipping the men across the oceans to the baltic states. putting up some moderate resistance.

On the otherside of the baltic, the German Alliance Declared war on the UK and her dominions, It truly was a black year for the world of peace. Now only France, Sweden and Spain sit in peace, but for how long?






Im thinking of going to war against russia, but i must admit that the 300000 men still at st-petersburg will be a major thorn in my side. Seeing as thats 100000 more men than my army combined in the north (we have a further 50000 in indochina)

Also, i have achieved my aim of great power, ranking a humble 8th

the final 5yrs await. A lot can be achieved in 5 years

Alrowan
07-09-2004, 09:29
for my next campagin, ill do a writeup on it similar to that last bit. Im not sure whom to choose though. Perhaps the USA. I guess i could aim for a #1 ranking by the end.

alman9898
07-09-2004, 16:30
Victoria desperately needed a tutorial. But I guess printing out 50+ pages of an online handbook isn't too bad. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Alrowan
07-10-2004, 07:40
well i finally finnished my campagin. If it wasnt for my nations lack of prestige we would easily be a great power.

1915-1919 - The Greatest War

In 1915 Austria Declared war on Russia, the same year England and her allies declared war on Prussia and her allies.

That is where i left my last report of my campgin. Following i will tell you of the humiliation of Russia and the Greatest War.

In 1915 after the Ausrian declaration of war, Russia was on a back foot, and reeling from the might of one of the worlds greatest powers. She had already suffered horribly to England in the Persian wars, and had little time ot settle for peace. As the Austrian armies marched through Russia unchecked, Russia held her miliaty might back in the safety of St-Petersburg, Surrounded by the Swedes after the First Russian war. Once again however the Swedes looked to the might of Russian lands and thier many able workers and factories. So in October of 1915, Sweden, with her ally France entered into the war against Russia. The opening moves of the war were rather stable, with the Swedish surrounding the capital. However in December, the Swedes launched a major assault on the capital from all directions. 250000 Swedes faced 300000 Russians all dug in arround the city. As the battle raged on inot 1916 Sweden started to take heavy losses, and was forced to withdraw from the assault to re-supply and re-inforce her armies.

Russians were conscripted to fight Russians and fill in the replacments of the Swedish army. But in march of 1916, the Russians counter-attacked, attmepting a breakthrough. They were soundly dfefeated and over the next year the Russians campagined to break out, but each time were defeated before they could make any ground. Soon the Russian army was feeling masses of the strain of fighting a breakout offensive, and more than 30 divisions had been anhiliated or captured by the Swedes. Evetually in mid 1918 the Russian armies had been broken completely, and the campital lay bare to the might of Sweden, who marched in and occupied it.

In the south arround the crimea the French had forced Russia on the backfoot, meeting up with the austrian armies north, to all but occupy western Russia. Sweden opened negotiations at this point, and for four months she tried to negotiate a reasonable peace deal, but on each occasion the Russians rejected the deal. Fianlly in January 1919 Sweden set out on a campagin into the far east of Russia, to gain more sway in her negotiations. And soon 50000 Swedes had joined the Austrians on the offensive. The armies marched over the Ural mountains and into Siberia in May 1919.

The Peace of 1919 and the Humiliation of Russia

On June 2 1919 Russian Delegates met with Austria to negotiate a peace. In the treaty Austria was given Ukraine, Some of the Latvian and Lithuanean territories, Poland, Belorus and Some of Russia Proper. Much of this was important Russian Industrial areas. Russia Faced her first Humiliation, but more was to come, as She delt with the swedish threat (who by now were feeling the strains of war, and looking for thier own way out). On June 8 1919 a Russian Delegation met a Swedish Delegation in Moscow. There the hammered out the final Peace Treaty. Sweden gained All of Russias northern coastal Lands and the Latvian and Lithuaanean areas not occupied by Austria. There were also given lands deep inside Russia Proper.

And so ended the War that would ultimatly humiliate Russia for all the world to see.

By 1920 many were Now calling the Great Austro-Hngarian Empire the Austrian-Rus Empire. England still streatched far across the world, and the german alliance held out against the english threat. Russia Had Been Humiliated, and Sweeden looked east once again for more conquests.

And then the game ended. :p

here is a screenie of Europe at the Peace of June 8

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FesterShinetop
07-10-2004, 10:11
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ July 08 2004,11:36)]my current overriding goal is to find that music track that goes pom-pom pom POM pom-diddly-pom and remove it.
I didn't know the theme from Police Academy was in there? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Great write-up Alrowan I enjoyed reading that Pity though the game just ends isn't it?
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dessa14
07-10-2004, 10:14
russia would surely pay if they were to wage war.
look at st petersburg, right inside the middle of his kingdom.
thanks, desmond

Alrowan
07-10-2004, 14:36
well it seems like they will be in trouble, id actually would have liked it if i could just own the damn city though. Espcially in the last war. They had 450000 men cooped up in that little spot when the war started, so i held off joining the war till the numbes dropped to a reasonable number, at least one i could contain.

Anyway, i tihnk ill be starting a new thread for my next campagin, ill probably play somewhere in the americas this time, either texas, mexico or the USA

Texas would be interesting, but very tough, seeing as they start the game a war with mexico, so id have to go into an early debt if i want to win, and it could put me behind later on.

Mexico could be fun, but i fear handling the USA as my neighbour might get tough, especially if they decide on winning the 1st mexican war :-/

The USA could prove a fun challenge, i guess i would try my hand at conquering mexico early, then launching a campagin to Panama, to try open up the canal - t would give me many more options later on with expansion and a pacific empire.

Though there is one campagin i would try avoiding, and that is Japanese, its possible to do well with them, but you have to be an ace at industrialisation, to get them prepped for becoming a civilised nation. Last time i had a go at them, i found research to be a major pain in the ass, taking 20 years just to learn 2 techs... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif (you can let the dutch come to aid you, but you become a satelite nation of them, and face a tonn of revolts.)

alman9898
07-10-2004, 20:42
I seriously need help with Victoria. It seems so fun, but I can't make money or win wars. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

FesterShinetop
07-11-2004, 09:56
Quote[/b] (alman9898 @ July 10 2004,20:42)]I seriously need help with Victoria. It seems so fun, but I can't make money or win wars. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Go here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114470

That'll surely help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Everything you need to know is in there

Efrem Da King
07-11-2004, 15:05
I'm having a great time playing a brazil game.



I HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED OUT HOW TO PLAY IT


I never actually got HOI but I get this THIS GAME ROCKS

Alrowan
07-12-2004, 00:46
heh, in my US game ive had 2 mexican wars, actually make that three. The first one was a stalemate, the 2nd 2 mexico got entirely conquered, so i got huge swathes of land :)

alman9898
07-12-2004, 01:02
Quote[/b] (Apache @ July 11 2004,03:56)]
Quote[/b] (alman9898 @ July 10 2004,20:42)]I seriously need help with Victoria. It seems so fun, but I can't make money or win wars. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Go here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114470

That'll surely help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Everything you need to know is in there
already have it bookmarked.. theres just so much to remember and so much to learn http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Swoosh So
07-13-2004, 04:44
Guys how do you set things like auto trade? i cant seem to get a nation with anysort of income im playing as the usa in the first campaign but keep getting into warswith mexico that i cant cope with :( its gettig very frustrating i ally with texas but we get our butts whooped. What other things can i set to auto that i might be missing for now and how do i set them?

Alrowan
07-13-2004, 07:37
all i can say is practice swoosh, all the things are on auto that you need from the start, it sounds like you need to figure out the military thing.

best thing to do it mobilise, the USA start with 3 divisions that can be mobilised. And then convert POPs into soldiers, and make some divisions.

then woop mexicos asses

the best way is to play defensivly early, but sntach up provs that dont have men defending them. Eventually mexico will tire and opt for peace.

The AI is also really bad at defending and taking colonies, so snatch up those at the start, but dont defend ur own (it wont take them)

Rosacrux
07-13-2004, 13:19
Swoosh, USA is absolutely NOT the best choice for a new player. The best choices to actually understand the game mechanics and have some initial success, are:

- Brazil. Isolated, with several problems but also several strong points, plays smoothly and offers a very good game. There is a guide on Paradox forums somewhere (and VickyWicky) on how to play with Brazil. Perfect for noobs like me (just managed a Brazil game on Normal, Great Power and 2nd overall in 1892 - UK is unbeatable when you start with anything below France and Russia and maybe Prussia).

- Belgium. You start at war w/ the Netherlands, but soon the London treaty event kicks in and usually Netherlands accepts Belgium independence. After that, you got several rich provinces (even though manpower is not as high as it could) good industrial basis and good relations with UK - a key to success in the first decades. You have the chance to colonize several sweet spots (Cameroon might be a good starting point) and if you absolutely need some nearby land, just DoW the Netherlands (watch BB though, it's gonna skyrocket if you annex them).

- Sweden. Will introduce you to the management of a larger (province-wise) country, and will force you to manage well your POPs and ongoing industrialization. Other than that, Sweden is a surefire survivor and a fun and relatively easy game overall. Just keep good relations with Russia (until you are strong enough and with adequate alliances to challenge them in Finland - I am playing now Sweden and in 1853 I am a Great Power on spot #5, mostly thanks to my high prestige. But I haven't got a military worth speaking about, so Russia can crush me any moment. That is why I am allied to them and also to Prussia and Austria. OTOH, I've already fought a war alongside Prussia, Russia and Austria against the allmighty UK - their sea power is very annoying)

If you are a newbie you want to stay clear from UK (huge micromanagement nightmare) Russia (same) USA (huge, lots of issues, complicated) Prussia (lots of events that could ruin you in a few years and you have to have mastered the diplomatic and economic model of the game to make it with them) and any uncivilized nation (it's tough to become civilized).

FesterShinetop
07-13-2004, 13:27
Yep Swoosh, like Rosacrux says do not start with the USA Pick one of the nations he mentions. Also follow the link in my previous post, (almost) everything you wanna know about the game can be found in there, including the link to Novembers Newbie guide playing as Brazil

lancelot
07-14-2004, 22:18
Im a Vicky lover too It is complicated but worth it.

Japan in 1881 campaign, I thought was good to practice with. They start with a lot of good factories and resources. And it is well easy to take large parts of Korea with your superior armies.

BTW, on the Vicky forums I am slowly trying to gather info on how to make a new scenario.

I wanted to do the Harry Turtledove stuff and this game is perfect for it. If anyone is interested in this or manages to gather some scenario modding tips, get over to the Victoria scenarios and mods page pronto...

lancelot
07-14-2004, 22:20
Also, forgot this also,

There was talk on the vicky forums of a Byzantine mod How cool would that be?

Kick out the Ottoman Empire and fight for the glory of Constantinople

Sternness
07-14-2004, 22:37
I just noticed Froggy's newbie AAR the other day and I have to say that it's great It's by far the most entertaining one that I've come across. I recommend it to any former vicky newbies, as it should bring back some fond (relative term) memories. Can't wait for the next update.

Swoosh So
07-15-2004, 13:20
Ok FINALLY worked out what im doing (well almost) lol i dident know u could convert farmers to soldiers no wonder mexico alway kicked my butt ehehe the good old national draft im curretly playing as mexico and now have texas as a sattelite i also conquered the united states of CENTRAL america then the usa got annoyed and told me to stop colonising :\ after they put armies all over my borders i decided to cut my military budget and improve relations with them gah i had every province right down to columbia at that poin then for no reason i could work out the British came sailing over and kicked my butT after drafting almost every farmer i could get my hands on and ruining my economy in a war i couldent win i finally saw the light and sited for peace offering them about half of the provinces id earlier conquered that seems to have worked for now https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

My economy is finally doing great and im trading quite well stocking up and selling when price is right,i got bored trading and buildng tho so sent some forces to gain military experience with the brits (dident want a weak army after years of peace), ive now decided to wage war on korea :P it will be tough as im sure they can moblise hundreds of thousands but i doubt they canstrike back at me if things go wrong https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Anyway has anyone tried multiplayer? If anyone wants go give me a shout :) Would be interesing to see what such a game would turn out like,just a pity CA cant even manage it and their games 100x simpler https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif WAKE UP CA

frogbeastegg
07-15-2004, 20:20
Quote[/b] (Sternness @ July 14 2004,22:37)]I just noticed Froggy's newbie AAR the other day and I have to say that it's great It's by far the most entertaining one that I've come across. I recommend it to any former vicky newbies, as it should bring back some fond (relative term) memories. Can't wait for the next update.
Then you will probably be happy to hear I suffered yet another humiliating defeat again today; everything was going so well until I declared war on Peru as Brazil...

If anyone else is interested in pointing and laughing at a newbie you can find the details in Froggy's manic scribblings (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155388) over at paradox.

Sternness
07-16-2004, 01:37
I might as well give my recommendations for future nations that you should give a shot.

Mexico's not half bad (they were the first nation that I had success with atleast). Its hard not to win the initial war against Texas (you don't even need to think about mobilizing), and when you do, you'll get a early lead in prestige. From there I recommend getting on good terms with the US (ie. sell them the states they ask for and use your diplomats to further improve relations, or even form an alliance). Without having to worry about the states, you should be able to sail smoothly until atleast the 1860s when Europe starts to meddle in your affairs....

It might be a good idea to look into Sweden too. If not just for the fact that they're pretty stable and have a great tech-lead, then atleast to ruffle the feathers of Paradox's Swedish devs if you manage to take their glorious country for a plunge. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Efrem Da King
07-16-2004, 02:30
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ July 15 2004,14:20)]everything was going so well until I declared war on Peru as Brazil...
LOL


THat was a hard war. I OWNED THOSE DAMN PERUVIANS


HAHAHHAHA I conqured all there land but it wouldn't let me annex em....


SO I just took all there good provinces.

frogbeastegg
07-16-2004, 09:54
Sweden...Paradox always make their home extra strong...this could be fun https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/geishagrin.gif

The great Peruvian war; everything was going so well, my two allies waded in, my troops were capturing provinces, I had about 1/5 of their land...and then Peru mobilised. Talk about being outnumbered; my 18,000 remaining troops against 80,000 angry Peruvians https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I think you can guess the rest, and since I've told the story once in my AAR I won't repeat myself.

Warfare is so different in Vicky, it was much easier in CK and EU2; I'm still adjusting and learning the basics.

ShadeFlanders
07-16-2004, 12:11
Citaat[/b] (frogbeastegg @ Juli 16 2004,09:54)]The great Peruvian war; everything was going so well, my two allies waded in, my troops were capturing provinces, I had about 1/5 of their land...and then Peru mobilised. Talk about being outnumbered; my 18,000 remaining troops against 80,000 angry Peruvians https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I think you can guess the rest, and since I've told the story once in my AAR I won't repeat myself.

Warfare is so different in Vicky, it was much easier in CK and EU2; I'm still adjusting and learning the basics.
Yep mobilisation and your mobilistation pool is the key to an enormous all-conquering army. Playing Austria I increased my mobilisation pool whenever possible up to the point where I could mobilise some 4 million soldiers.
But to make it really work you need a standing army of specialists: artillery and elite units. Merge these units with mobilised units up to armies of 100000 (to keep attrition at reasonable levels). Generate as many generals as possible, place the ones that reduce attrition at the head of bigger armies.
Mobilise (this will alert your neihbours tough, but usually if your pool is big enough there's nothing they can do about it) and when mobilisation is complete declare war and roll all over your opponents in months.
Another plus is you don't spend loads of cash on a huge standing army. You just mobilise when you need it.

There are three big downsides tough:
* mobilised units that lose men -> you lose men in your regular pop's, these are the guys actually harvesting and working in your plants so I try to use mobilised units from industrialised provinces as backups to limit losses on pops that drive my economy. So mobilising for a defensive war you can't win will leave your economy in ruins as you probably still have to give up good provinces and half your working force lies dead on the battlefield. Better to settle peace asap and just give up some provinces.
* it takes time to mobilise when you are being attacked: expect to get a spanking in the earlier stages of the war. Don't commit your specialists just yet, you need them for your comeback. Just let them occupy a few provinces untill mobilisation has completed and strike back hard. (I guess this is what happened to froggy)
* mobilised pop's don't work -> expect to lose enormous amounts of cash so take care of business quickly (should be no problem with a huge army)

Rosacrux
07-16-2004, 12:16
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ July 16 2004,03:54)]The great Peruvian war; everything was going so well, my two allies waded in, my troops were capturing provinces, I had about 1/5 of their land...and then Peru mobilised. Talk about being outnumbered; my 18,000 remaining troops against 80,000 angry Peruvians https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I think you can guess the rest, and since I've told the story once in my AAR I won't repeat myself.
Why didn't you reinforce? Was your manpower in the negatives? After mobilization? https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

dessa14
07-16-2004, 12:31
my favorites are massive day mp campaigns where you have a few massive european nations (we were france, UK, Germany united with Austria, Russia, and unified Italy as well.)

well germany and france went to war, uk backed france, spain backed france, USA backed france, denmark and sweden backed france, italy back germany, russia backed germany and netherlands backed germany.

not exactly like the WW but just as many troops.
there must have been over 40 million troops mobilised.

thanks,
dessa

Rosacrux
07-16-2004, 12:36
When I play a non-all out aggresive game, I never mobilise. In my current Sweden game I've yet (yet: 1891) to mobilise. Why, you'd ask... well, it's simple: Sweden has (until it manages to get a few colonies running and wins a colonial war with a minor or two) precious little manpower. I am hardly covering the needs of my decent industry, by converting all my Swedish-Norwegian agrarian POPs to craftsmen-clerks. I couldn't afford having them drafted and returned (if) as labourers-farmers again. Just couldn't afford it.

So, I have increased gradually my standing army to a decent point (like 16 divisions or such, all with attached brigades) and this was my sole tool in snatching away from Russia several colonies in our first colonial war. After the increased manpower flew in, I stabilised my economy and then recruited 8 more divisions (natives, I fear) to help me to capture my holy grail of sorts: Korea POPs, hundreds of huge POPs and most importantly IRON My Steel factories need badly Iron, so does the rest of my heavy industry.

Well, I annexed Korea (after one extremely tough and one easy war) and before I managed to actually pull together (and start taking advantage of Korean manpower) Russia DoWed me Well, that was tough, and a close call. Managed to pull off a white peace (thanks to my allies UK and Germany fairing well against Russians all over) and now I am building up my armed forces, to DoW Russia and take away Finland from them

I am up to the 40 divisions and still creating more every now and then. More than half are natives, but with good leaders, attached brigades (arty, engineers mostly) and some fighting experience, they might actually make it.

I am also enlarging my mobilization pool - now I am up to 30 divisions and rising... In the second (third, if you count the colonial too) war between Sweden and Russia, I think I'll mobilize for the first time https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

frogbeastegg
07-16-2004, 12:45
The chain of events that lead to the Peruvian disaster were quite simple newbie mistakes. I built my army out of permanent standing divisions, just like in EU2; I reinforced them until I ran out of manpower, but forgot you could convert pops to soldiers to gain a manpower boost. I also forgot a country can call up its population to fight in emergencies, so Peru got a massive boost while I kept using professional soldiers only. I occupied huge tracts of land but the scoring system is slightly different, so the profitable peace I could have forced in EU2/CK was not possible in Vicky. I did have good generals, not the random bunglers; that at least I did get right.

I tried to fight CK/EU2 style; Vicky is too different for that to work.

ShadeFlanders
07-16-2004, 13:04
Citaat[/b] (Rosacrux @ Juli 16 2004,12:36)]I couldn't afford having them drafted and returned (if) as labourers-farmers again.
They return to what they were I think. Not really sure tough as I rarely mobilise troops from industrialised provinces.
With standing armies you can never get those massive millions large armies that's why I always use mobilisation. When I invaded the Ottoman empire with 20 armies of 100000 men I got the warscore I needed to get the peace deal I wanted within months. If the AI sees you still have massive armies while his are all but annihalited you can get some very good peace deals without needing massive warscore.
But I agree it's not a feasible tactic for every nation, with belgium I used a huge standing army made up almost entirely out of African natives while the heavily-industrilaised home provinces easily paid for them.

lancelot
07-17-2004, 21:20
mobilized POPs often do return as labourers or farmers even though they left as clerks/craftsmen.

Which I think is real stupid....what did they forget how to do their jobs???

Alrowan
07-18-2004, 11:50
i had a standing army of 1million as the USA in my campagin... though it still didnt help when the brits attacked me :-/

Sternness
07-18-2004, 23:04
Quote[/b] (lancelot @ July 17 2004,16:20)]mobilized POPs often do return as labourers or farmers even though they left as clerks/craftsmen.

Which I think is real stupid....what did they forget how to do their jobs???
Well if you were just traumatized by being thrown into a war, do you thin that you could handle returning to your day-job at the ammunitions factor? I know I'd probably prefer a nice, cushy job slaving away in some cotton field. Just pretend that all draftees fall victim to severe shell shock that prevents them from working around heavy machinery. Either that or pray that Paradox fixes this for 1.4

Efrem Da King
07-20-2004, 10:51
Well I imagine if the war goes on long enough then yest htey would forget their jobs and more importatnnly become poor.

dessa14
07-20-2004, 11:51
i think the point is to stop people from mobilising all the time.
thanks,
dessa

dessa14
08-01-2004, 03:59
best kingdom so far.
i only got the game recently
my best kingdom is sweden
with a cameroon colony and annexed madagascar.
thanks,
dessa

Sjakihata
08-01-2004, 10:43
My best kingdom is Belgium. I did a little expansion into the Netherlands. Then I began to extend my industry, iron etc. Now Im colonizing like crazy.

France can squash me now anytime tho

Rosacrux
08-02-2004, 13:43
My best kingdom (constitutional monarchy, actually) was Russia. I finished on the #1 spot, after winning two wars against the allmighty Brits, having a humangous industry and without annexing a single province besides the lands I've grabbed from the Ottomans (those I crashed in three wars, including the Crimean, satellited what remained of the OE after the third) and kept (because I created a few satelites here and there and gave some land to Greece http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ).

Military and Industrial I was by far #1, but in prestige only #4 - Russia has a tough time to keep up with the tech race, because you need to convert a horde of POPs to actually make some research. But it's huuuuge, full of resources and can beat the crap out of anyone.

I am having great fun in my current Austria game. I am in the process of eliminating the Ottomans (just one war away, getting prepared for that - Brits and French, both with higher mil. score than me, are guaranteeing their independance, so I expect quite a fight) and I have already bought many lands from Russia and created a smallish colonial empire (about 20-25 provinces all in all).

Very fun game, by 1898 I am #1 in prestige and industry, but lag terribly behind UK, France and USA in military score. Germany never formed, so I've got one headache less to worry about http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

IrishMike
08-02-2004, 14:46
Sounds like a cool game but where do I find this game. Never seen it before and what type of system does it take to run it.

frogbeastegg
08-03-2004, 17:24
I have merged the Vicky thread from the temporary forum with this Vicky thread; there are already several Vicky threads hanging around.

ColdKnight, Vicky requires:
Windows 98se/2000/XP
PIII 450mhz
128MB RAM
4MB DirectX 9.0 video card
600 MB hard disc space.

It can be quite hard to find in shops, at least in the UK, because it is quite unpopular and a niche title. I did manage to find my copy in the local branch of Game and it was on sale because it didn't sell very well. You can also find it on amazon.co.uk, or you can order directly from Paradox via their e-shop (http://paradox.e-butik.se/).

dessa14
08-04-2004, 05:34
my best kingdom now, is holland.
refused belgium independance, had prussia, austria, and france back me up, and i had annexed belgium by 1840.
was a great power until the formation of the north geman fed.
thanks,
dessa

LordKarolinger
08-05-2004, 18:58
I am playing as Belgium at the moment but I am wondering how to attract immigrants. I added a great deal of reforms but I am getting nothing.

dessa14
08-07-2004, 01:51
I am playing as Belgium at the moment but I am wondering how to attract immigrants. I added a great deal of reforms but I am getting nothing.

i believe empty slots in factories with no unemployment helps attract clerks and craftsmen.
thanks,
dessa

Spartiate
09-09-2004, 15:54
Bought this game today on the strenght of the comments i have seen posted here.If i don't enjoy it i'm holding you all responsible. ~:)

Shahed
09-10-2004, 12:01
If you like strategy and empire management, Vicky reigns supreme.

Shahed
09-10-2004, 12:11
My best was with as an imperialist/expansionist (in the game ofc) USA. I dont have any screenies handy but here's what the military approximately looked like:

Army
Primary Strike Forces: 2,000,000 strong
Primary Mission: Locate and destroy enemy troop concentrations: in London if necessary.
Secondary Mission: Occupation
Primary Strike Army: 400,000 strong
This army will move as one unit, there will be 5 of these to make 2 million strong.
-120,000 Infantry: Regulars Brigade
-100,000 Infantry: Artillery Brigade
- 60,000 Infantry: Guards Brigade
- 60,000 Infantry: HQ Brigade
- 60,000 Infantry: Engineers Brigade

Continental National Guard (Infantry): 400,000 strong
Primary Mission: Defend the Continental United States
Continental National Guard Army: 40,000 (10 of these)
- 20,000 Infantry: Engineers Brigade
- 10,000 Infantry: Artillery Brigade
- 10,000 Infantry: HQ Brigade
These 400,000 men will be spread across the East and West Coast, primarily.

Continental Quick Reaction Force: 200,000 strong - Cuirassiers
Primary Mission: Anti-Insurrection.
Secondary Mission: Support National Guard Infantry

Overseas National Guard (Infantry): 20,000 - Engineers per province
I can't remember how many overseas possessions there are but most (if not all are islands and will not require more than 10 or 20,000 men to defend.

Canada Expeditionary Force: 400,000 strong - Hussars, 100,000 - Engineers
Primary Mission: Capture Canada

5. Navy
Approx 350 ships, the majority deployed in the Atlantic.

Atlantic Naval Command
Atlantic Fleet 1: Macguire - 120 strong
-40 Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Heavy Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Battleships with Destroyer flotilla
-20 Dreadnoughts with Destroyer flotilla
Primary Mission: Seek and Destroy enemy capital
Secondary Mission: Support and protect invasion forces

Atlantic Fleet 2: Mahon - 120 strong
-40 Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Heavy Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Battleships with Destroyer flotilla
-20 Dreadnoughts with Destroyer flotilla
Primary Mission: Seek and Destroy enemy capital
Secondary Mission: Support and protect invasion forces

Atlantic Fleet: Baker - 42 strong
-42 Steamer Transports
Primary Mission: Transport Primary Strike Army (see Army section above)

Atlantic Fleet: Bride - 42 strong
-42 Steamer Transports
Primary Mission: Transport Primary Strike Army

Atlantic Fleet: Bowman - 42 strong
-42 Steamer Transports
Primary Mission: Transport Primary Strike Army

Atlantic Fleet: Bachmann - 42 strong
-42 Steamer Transports
Primary Mission: Transport Primary Strike Army

Atlantic Fleet: Betancourt - 42 strong
-42 Steamer Transports
Primary Mission: Transport Primary Strike Army

Pacific Naval Command
Pacific Fleet 1: Engelhardt - 70 strong
-40 Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Heavy Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
Primary Mission: Protect the West Coast

Pacific Fleet 2: Emerson - 70 strong
-40 Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
-30 Heavy Cruisers with Torpedo Boat flotilla
Primary Mission: Protect the West Coast


~:) :knight: ~D :frog:

Spartiate
09-11-2004, 19:25
Okay folks.I need help.I'm impressed with the depth and the sheer scale of the game but i appear to be missing the point of the game.Is there a walkthrough or basic strategy guide somewhere so i can get to grips with this game.I am playing with a small nation as i didn't fancy micromanaging a large nation on my first try.I seem to be unable to import machine parts(for factories) and i cannot invade even the weakest of neighbours(for population and resources).Any kind nuggets would be appreciated

lancelot
09-11-2004, 20:41
The vicky forums are quite helpful.

But dont despair, it took me a good week to figure stuff out and the comp still beats me!

Basically you want as many factories as possible. That is the main thing. Then railroads. If you start as a small country be prepared to run out of/not able to gain materials to build stuff.

Many suggest Sweden + portugal as good starters. I chose UK. It has a massive empire to manage but you wont run out of materials.

And for other Vicky fans---

A beta stage mod for a Harry Turtledove's Great War scenario is a week or two away. Anyone who wants more info PM me or visit the vicky forums. There should be a thread in there somewhere!

Shahed
09-12-2004, 18:33
try this:

http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Spartiate
09-12-2004, 18:49
Ahhhh.............thank you guys.I had always felt that Empire building games were too easy in general but this was like running into a brick wall.Thanks for the tips.I'm playing as Sweden now and having a good time.I had one border war with Russia which i won but the French are looking damn strong at the moment and will probably attack me soon.I still cannot figure out why i cannot get machine parts as an uncivilised nation though(original game i was playing).I can't even trade for the parts.No parts= no factories.

Spartiate
09-12-2004, 19:00
Okay sorry.I now understand machine parts as well.My God...........if you need them you can't get them and if you've got them you........*mutters*

Shahed
09-12-2004, 19:02
If you are trying to buy machine parts off the world market (WM), your prestige will determine what you are able to buy.

e,g
Britain prestige = 10
Russian prestige = 5
Your country prestige = 4

Britain will get to buy any machine parts (MPs) from the world market first (unlikely as it may sound to vicky vets), then Russia will buy whats left and lastly if your country if number 3 in prestige your nation will buy any that are left over.

In early game it's quite hopeless to acquire any MPs as britain is the only producer and she uses them herself. Later your prestige will determine what goods you can purchase from the WM.

there are tutorials in the link I posted earlier (vickipedia) Did you check that link ?

Spartiate
09-12-2004, 19:25
I did indeed Sinan and many thanks to you for it.There is a whole wealth of info there that i have down-loaded to peruse at my leisure(now).Machine parts 101 was of particular interest as was the economy guide.I'll be reading for days.Thanks again for the help. ~:)

Shahed
09-12-2004, 20:54
Au plaisir

~:)

Spartiate
09-15-2004, 20:31
Playing as the USA now and it was all going swimmingly until i decided to be less than cordial to Great Britain.I now have British troops all over North America and the biggest bloody naval fleet you have ever seen just sitting off my coast drinking tea and bombarding me.I was doing so well before that.I got some territory from Mexico in a peace settlement and i had extensive rail networks and a good number of factories in my provinces.
A quick question for anyone reading.As the USA,is it a good idea to leave the south under-developed and for the army to be of yankee culture primarily in anticipation of the Civil War,Another is what do i do with the excess population build-up in washington,salisbury and fredricksburg.I have about 4.5 million in each province on average and they ain't too damn happy. :charge:

dessa14
09-26-2004, 08:13
heres a challenge for all vicky players, turn Transvaal into something other then complete defeat.
HAHAHA, ive done it!,
with a slight bit of party adding.
thanks,
dessa

SwordsMaster
10-03-2004, 18:02
Question for you all Paradox players:

Can you import the saved games from CK to EU2, and then from EU2 to Vicky and Vicky to HoI? and play the same country for almost a 1000 years?

thats a looong government

dessa14
10-06-2004, 10:59
kinda, they are working on a EU2 Vicky mod right now, i think a CK to EU2 already exists.
they don't wanna make a mod to go to HOI because its such a different game to the other three.

vicky is definatley better then Total war if you like the strategy part, flanking strategically actually does something in vicky (i haven't played rome so i won't know)
and when you take a province, doesn't neccesarly mean you own it, you have to get it in a peace treaty.

thanks,
dessa

lancelot
10-07-2004, 16:03
^Rome combat with Vikki strategy would be the best game EVER!!

dessa14
10-09-2004, 05:51
the problem is, vicky is real time, so the battles would be like running on super turbo.
thanks,
dessa

bmolsson
10-12-2004, 02:32
My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

#http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shogunshame.gif

Ditto..... :p

frogbeastegg
10-12-2004, 09:56
Beta patch 1.3c is out; it looks like it fixes quite a few issues.

Bah, CK beta patch, vicky beta patch, RTW and I am still trying to finish learning EU2. I can only play one of them; I need more time ~:mecry:

dessa14
10-12-2004, 10:15
best thing is it fixes the problem with tariffs.
no more free money.
thanks,
dessa

rafiki
10-12-2004, 10:33
try this:

http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Rumour has it that that's a pretty good site, no? Perhaps something similar could be done for RTW?

:nice: Rafiki

dessa14
10-12-2004, 10:43
yeah seeing as you are one of the main contributers to that site.
never expected to see Die Hard Vicky fans on the "Total War" forums.
i really doubt it could happen with RTW, that would require stable hosting space, which seems to be in short supply.
thanks,
dessa

rafiki
10-13-2004, 06:31
Hehe, even "die-hard Vicky fans" roam the world at times. :bow:

Can't see why it should be any harder to set up a Wiki for RTW than for Vicky; VickyWiki has been running quite smoothly ever since it was set up. A RTW-site might need to handle some more traffic, but I don't why that should be a show-stopper.

~:) Rafiki

dessa14
10-13-2004, 07:50
i don't know why the org hasn't taken that position actually.
oh wait yeah their huge forum is causing massive problems continuesly.
thanks,
dessa

frogbeastegg
10-13-2004, 09:59
Hello, rafiki. Nice to see you again ~:wave:

Vikiwiki is a good resource; something similar for RTW could be very helpful. I guess the main reason it has never been done is that no one mentioned it. You might want to try starting a topic over in the RTW forum to see how much interest there is.

The org problems, as far as I know, limited to just the forums. The actual org website keeps functioning, and so do any of the so called hosted resources and mini sites.

dessa14
10-13-2004, 11:13
i thought that because the site and forums were on the same server, the site suffered from similar plights as the forums.
thanks,
dessa

rafiki
10-13-2004, 13:32
Hey there Froggie ~:cheers:

You're right; I'll air the idea over at the Colosseum and see what kind of response it gets :idea3:

(Are you saying that most people at these forums _don't_ read slightly obscure threads about third-part games? ~;) )

~:) Rafiki

Shahed
10-13-2004, 20:50
You mean THE RAFIKI... oh Lord are we worthy ?

Welcome aboard if you are THE Victorian Monkeyboy, himself.

frogbeastegg
10-13-2004, 23:29
Dessa, on our old Iconboard forum I found I could access the main site while the forums were down; I assume that will not have changed with our new vBulletin set up. Assume is the key word there.

Rafiki, you'd be surprised at how big a following Vicky has here. Certainly more than this thread suggests. In fact it is partly due to the praise for the game I kept encountering here that I wandered over to the Vicky forum and started that thread asking if I'd like the game. Being forced to read this thread made me curious :sigh: the sacrifices we mods make.

rafiki
10-14-2004, 08:20
You mean THE RAFIKI... oh Lord are we worthy ?

Welcome aboard if you are THE Victorian Monkeyboy, himself.Thanks ~D

(And I'll let others judge if this is something one can be deemed "worthy of" ~;) )

I was lucky enough that "rafiki" was available as a nick here when I started playing (and posting about) MTW.

Rafiki, you'd be surprised at how big a following Vicky has here. Certainly more than this thread suggests. In fact it is partly due to the praise for the game I kept encountering here that I wandered over to the Vicky forum and started that thread asking if I'd like the game. Being forced to read this thread made me curious :sigh: the sacrifices we mods make.Hehe, but the work you do is immensly appreciated.

:bow: Rafiki

SwordsMaster
10-14-2004, 11:51
Hey all!

I need some advice on the actual game.
Ive started a new game as the Netherlands and managed to get a white peace in the Belgium war even with 200000 brits ravaging my country. The thing is, now Im in debt, I cant convert all those lazy fishermen into craftsmen or anything else but soldiers, and so my econoomy is getting worse and worse and I cant see the end of it. Belgium is preparing for another war, but I don have the resources to stand against the pesky brits. Ive got a good alliance with Prussia, but they are of little help to fight the english.

Suggestions?

PS. My mobilization pool is of about 10 div, and Im at war with Java, which suddenly independized from me reducing my coffee market which I intend to take back. There are 2 div in Java.

rafiki
10-14-2004, 12:02
The Treaty of London events are crucial for a Ducth player. If you deny letting Belgium go, you'd better be ready to get hit hard, especially if you don't get some major powers on your side. The best thing is usually to accept Belgian independance, and then try to get them back at a later point in time. Especially, figthing the British is as you've discovered .... unfortunate ~;)

Try to get peace with the Brits; let your alliance with Prussia scare the Belgians. Get back Java (which shouldn't be too hard with a few divisions, provided you don't let the Javans build up hordes of irregulars) Limit your spending as much as you can to get out of debt. That should keep you occupied for quite some time.

:bow: Rafiki

dessa14
10-14-2004, 12:16
i made holland great by refusing belgian independence, but they happened very late and i had an alliance with the poms by then, so it was the world against belgium.
but to get back to the thing at hand, create a super event that gives you heaps of tech, money and men, as well as lots and lots of machine parts, thats how i win games MODDING!, nah really get a division out to java, you will prob need the dye there later, cut spending except education(unless it is totally necessary), if you are in too much debt (as in having the max plausible income and no expenses and still in the red) spend yourself into a massive hole, a huge hole, build everything you could possibly desire, max education, zero taxes, subsidize goods (at least then your pops may have bonds when it all happens) buy all the goods to change pops to clerks and craftsmen.... anything you can think of.
just run yourself into bankruptcy, of course this comes at a very pricy cost -300 to prestige, half your factories are destroyed i think and a lot of other bad stuff, so build heaps of factories and hope you at least keep a few good ones.
thanks,
dessa

SwordsMaster
10-14-2004, 13:32
i made holland great by refusing belgian independence, but they happened very late and i had an alliance with the poms by then, so it was the world against belgium.
but to get back to the thing at hand, create a super event that gives you heaps of tech, money and men, as well as lots and lots of machine parts, thats how i win games MODDING!, nah really get a division out to java, you will prob need the dye there later, cut spending except education(unless it is totally necessary), if you are in too much debt (as in having the max plausible income and no expenses and still in the red) spend yourself into a massive hole, a huge hole, build everything you could possibly desire, max education, zero taxes, subsidize goods (at least then your pops may have bonds when it all happens) buy all the goods to change pops to clerks and craftsmen.... anything you can think of.
just run yourself into bankruptcy, of course this comes at a very pricy cost -300 to prestige, half your factories are destroyed i think and a lot of other bad stuff, so build heaps of factories and hope you at least keep a few good ones.
thanks,
dessa

Dosent look too promising tho ~;)

The Java thing goes well, I have already taken half of the island back, so I should be done with it in some 2 months. I hope Im not at war with belgium again..... Im trying to get the french into my alliance, but despite the fact they have a +109 towards me they refuse to ally. That would leave belgium surrounded from every side.

In the last war I had a couple of "Rally to the flag" events which was quite handy.

@Rafiki
The thing is that I refused the London treaty. (Yeah, Im that cocky), The only thing that actually stopped me for a while is the fact that the brits destroyed all my fleet, coz obviously I couldnt hold all the ports and defend from the belgians with only about 40.000 men (the rest were recruited during or after the war). In the Prussian front we (ie, me and the Prussians) surrounded and annihilated about 120000 brits in 2 epic battles that lasted for weeks. So the war itself wasnt that bad. The problem is I mobilized too much, and now Ive no production at all.

Well, we'll pray to the allmighty Dionisus and see what happens.

rafiki
10-14-2004, 15:00
Hehe, I'm not saying you shouldn't take on the Brits, but doing so may result in repeated periods of intense agony as you see your fleet and army melt away ~;)

+108 isn't enough to get an alliance; keep influencing France to get over +150 or so, then start trying to ally them.

The key to happy mobilization is to have a mobilization pool that covers your farmers/laborers and doesn't hit your clerks/craftsmen when you mobilize, but I guess you've already figured that one out ~;)

:bow: Rafiki

dessa14
10-21-2004, 10:34
a small nation like holland shouldn't take on Britain.
Britain has unlimited resources, massive manpower pool to draw on, massive amounts of money, and a huge standing navy. plus its pretty much safe from land attacks.
britain has one weakness really, a small national population, which will hinder it industrially, later on in the game if russia gets what it needs (mainly tech) they will easily become 5x as powerful as britain. the other main threat to win a game as any nation is the USA.
USA can easily become the world industrial power, just through immigration USA gets like 5x as many immigrants as any other nation, and probably 100x the amount a european nation can get.
thanks,
dessa