too much darn spam

[Navaros]

hello Mods,

i am here to tell you that you have a MAJOR SPAMMING problem on this site

i see it everywhere.

from my observation, almost everyone with several thousand "posts" on this site, got most of them (ie: 2/3 or more) by making substance-less, worthless spam posts

if you Mods need specific examples of what i'm talking about, i'd be most willing to show you guys how spammers have run rampant all over this site and the Mods do nothing about it

just tell me what Mod to PM who is willing to DO SOMETHING about this problem and i'll start sending him links/details of all the spam posts i run across

all you Mods: please take a more active role in not allowing posts that have no substance, or in other words, spam

thank you

[Duke John]

I would find it pretty funny to just delete the one word story and see massive drops of post counts. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh.gif

I hate spam too, but this you cannot eliminate unless you go hard on spammers. They don't think they're doing anything wrong so they will generally just yell at you and so that you are being intolerant.

If you see excessive spam in the Dungeon then you can PM me.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

It depends upon your definition of spam. I agree that in focused discussions, it is generally undesirable. However, in the off=topic forums, it gets a little hazier. I mean, is telling a joke spam? Or congratulating another member? As far as off-topic forums go, I'm inclined to give spam the benifite of the doubt, as, unless it's completely blatant, it's not actually hurting anybody.

[Voigtkampf]

Navaros, even the people that have nothing to say have the right to say it, right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

But seriously, we in general and I in particular have taken steps against the excessive spam, but it is no grateful task, and at the end we have more trouble caused than problems solved…

Yet we try to handle it as good as possible. Perhaps these last few months are merely a phase that will sway away… Keep your fingers crossed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[The Wizard]

Oh, do please read the posts made by most people with 1000+ posts. You'll see that by far most of their posts are constructive.

I find this topic useless, the spam here is very limited and there is a forum for it.

So is this spam ...? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



~Wiz

[Duke John]

Spam is occasionally healthy. Well not the reallife stuff, but posts who have no real purpose. They do indeed have their place here at the Org. But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree." Even statements without arguments are better than those. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif

[rasoforos]

Isnt the fact that posting a message to the moderators through a topic instead of actually sending one of them a private message a form of spam?
I personally believe that spam is less today than it used to be when i joined. Special spam threads helped for that ( 1 word thread etc) , personally i am 100% cool with that. The people who want their postcounts up to 5000 get it without annoying the rest of the forum.
We have occasionally observed the dreaded "14 yr old '1 line answer spammer' type" but as far as i remember the extreme cases were dealt by the mods.

[Navaros]

even today i see a lot of one-word-ESQUE posts, or "single-smiley and nothing else posts"

basically, many posters here think it's "OK" to use these boards as a form of IMS, and that my friends is NOT cool

most posters don't wanna be reading all the worthless spam posts such as that, yet they are all over the place in every board on this site

it really is a big problem.

you Mods should lay down the law that "these forums are not your own personal IMS" and put the smackdown on anyone who does not heed this

[The Wizard]

Well obviously if every poster in this thread more or less disagrees with you, I don't think you can talk for the rest of the posters, for the people that posted here are a pretty good indicator of how the community feels towards spam.



~Wiz

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I think this is mainly due to the nature of the boards-in that a lot of the posters consider other posters their friends. I don't see anything wrong with a little good-natured banter in the off-topic forum, because that's what it is-off topic. However, I agree with you that side-tracking discussions in the other forums is not cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-argue.gif

[Navaros]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ July 04 2004,16:47)]Well obviously if every poster in this thread more or less disagrees with you, I don't think you can talk for the rest of the posters, for the people that posted here are a pretty good indicator of how the community feels towards spam.



~Wiz
considering that i am the only poster in this thread so far with under 1000 posts, what you've said in the quoted text here really is not saying much, seeing as i've already pointed out that it is those with "post" counts higher than 1000 which are the spamming offenders who just post any old crap even if it that post is not on-topic for the subject at hand, or has no substance at all

i am sure that the majority of the posters here do not have more than 1000 posts, so for you to say that the posters in this thread so far are a good indicator of how the site feels seems like malarky to me

i thought this site was supposed to be "better" and "more intelligent" than the average forums. yet when one takes a good look, one will see that these forums are plagued by spammers just as much as any other forums on the net

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Look, I'd like you to help me get a handle on what you consider spam. Find ten posts (or less if you like) that you consider spam, and PM me the links. I'd just like to see what your definition of spam is.

[octavian]

they will be all your OWS posts BKS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif you spammer you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

quite frankly i dont find that spam is really a problem around here, apart from a few Juniors who joined just recently, most everyone is very good about not spamming. sure there are posts with just a few lines or less. but who really cares?

[Lehesu]

What the hell. I am over 1000 posts, but look at how far back I joined The vast majority of my posts, I would hope, were not in the spam classification, and your assumption makes it seem as if you hold yourself as the only bannerman of rational and constructive thought. You are not.
This forum is a collection of random people talking to other random people. It is not a government institution, nor is it a forum dedicated completely to serious matters. There are wise-asses everywhere and tolerating them will teach you a lot more than some of the fruitless political discussions we have in the Tavern. The current spam level is lower than it used to be, and I have not had any problem with it at all.
What dictates substance? What dictates spam? One person's joke is another person's spam.

Hell, some people think that hanging out on an internet forum is like spamming away some of your life.

[JAG]

So what? There are threads which people spam in.. So what? What is it to you that there are people who enjoy pasting random rubbish in a few threads directed for it? I fail to see why you are so concerned. Let others post how they want and you concentrate on your posting, it is not as if it affect you at all. Many of the people who spam also post very in depth and interesting posts, so to 'crack down' on these people purely because they like to have a laugh in a couple threads designed for it, is really not fair or constructive.

[Shahed]

Put a minimum caracter limit e.g 30 caracters and less you can't post...must be more than 30 caracters. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

It's too much like a chatroom in the Tavern ...another reason why I'm sooooo happy AWAY from that kennel. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Bhruic]

Nah, people would just fill it up with pointless smilies and other drivel. Would be counter-productive.

I must admit, I'm sympathetic to Navaros's claim here. I find posts devoid of any content irritating. A post with nothing but " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif " in it strikes me as a complete waste.

On the other hand, it's not my forum, so while I might politely request that Mods pay a little more attention, I don't think that 'demanding' is the way to go.

Bh

[King Edward]

I think there is a fair amount of spam around the forums but tends to be in the 'right places' there isnt a serious amount of it on bords like the main hall, dungeon on MP Forums and seems to be reserved for the Tavern and Frontroom and to some extent the EH.

At the end of the day this is a Total War forum and i dont see to much spam in the areas specifically for the game discussions.

[The_Emperor]

I think the spam is mainly consfined to the Tavern. (and the one word story, eh BKS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

For the most part there are a number of good posts out there in the other forums and I do not agree that there is an overflow of Spam.

Take a look around and you will see that there are many good posts out there that just get pushed down because they are not posted in as much.

[Navaros]

i agree that MOST of the spam is in the Tavern, Frontroom, and Entrance Hall

i just don't think that's OK. why have 3 spam-friendly Forums when there could be ZERO instead

zero spam-friendly Forums would be ideal.

people who insist on spamming should post that spam on other sites where spammers are wanted

this site is supposed to "setting a higher bar" than the average joe forum site, and that standard IMO has been too lax in the 3 Forums mentioned.

tighten up those 3 Forums and then i wouldn't have much to complain about

[JAG]

Nav actually, since when has these boards ever stated that spammign is banned and should not be done? If you think this is the case do you really think there would be a frontroom, a one word story and such threads? Spamming has always happened on these boards from as far back as I can remember being on them, and it happens everywhere. I think you really need to get off your high horse and be realistic.

[Lehesu]

A forum with NO spam. Absolutely none? That, my friend, is the communist system of an open forum. Could it work? Hypothetically. Will it work? Never.

All serious work makes for a boring experience and I welcome laughs whenever I can get them. Would my soy series be considered spam? Probably. But it was damn fun discussing it.

[Voigtkampf]

Everybody now, nod and agree with Lehesu and slowly back away; you don't want him to unleash his dancing Kikkomanen, which he does when he gets annoyed…

And if you don’t know what I’m talking about, just don’t ask, soldier http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-army.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin.gif

[solypsist]

Quote[/b] (JAG @ July 05 2004,07:19)]Nav actually, since when has these boards ever stated that spammign is banned and should not be done? If you think this is the case do you really think there would be a frontroom, a one word story and such threads? Spamming has always happened on these boards from as far back as I can remember being on them, and it happens everywhere. I think you really need to get off your high horse and be realistic.
http://solypsist.homestead.com/files/calm_down.jpg

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote[/b] ]But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree." I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Navaros]

just to update you guys, i've been sending Big King a TON of messages that show with empirical evidence how spam is running rampant on this site.

seems like every day, i have more spam evidence to show him

i hope he shares that stuff with all you other Mods so you can see that this thread is not hot air, but rather actually contains a very true message

[JAG]

And? Your point that there is spam? ........

[Lehesu]

This forum has Spam http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif Eureka Your check is in the mail, Sherlock.

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 06 2004,00:27)]
Quote[/b] ]But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree." I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ROTFLMAO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[King Edward]

I do love the way the Spam protest thread has turned into the spam appreciation thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote[/b] ]Quote
But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree."
I agree

ROTFLMAO

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam
Does anyone have any idea who the chief perpetrator of this sort of spam is? Maybe we should have a poll.

[Lehesu]

Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 06 2004,10:36)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote
But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree."
I agree

ROTFLMAO

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam
Does anyone have any idea who the chief perpetrator of this sort of spam is? Maybe we should have a poll.
I agree. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 06 2004,10:36)
Quote
Quote
But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree."
I agree

ROTFLMAO

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam

Does anyone have any idea who the chief perpetrator of this sort of spam is? Maybe we should have a poll.

I agree. Actually I dont think we need a poll as the answer is pretty obvious but a poll would make it more official http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Mount Suribachi]

Meh, I don't think its that bad.

I know one forum I frequent where 50% of the posts are just a smilie and it drives me nuts.

I also know another forum where doing that will get you permanantly banned http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I don't think its that much of a problem here.

As to why you have less than 1000 posts, well you've only been here a few months...

Sure, BKS spams the hell out of the OWS, but he also makes lots of proper posts elsewhere. Gawain & JAG have over 3000 posts and most of those are long, thoughtful posts (apart from JAGs first 1000 or so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

[ichi]

Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ July 06 2004,09:08)]
Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 06 2004,00:27)]
Quote[/b] ]But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree." I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ROTFLMAO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
I concur

ichi

ps i get the irony here

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (ichi @ July 06 2004,14:43)]
Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ July 06 2004,09:08)]
Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 06 2004,00:27)]
Quote[/b] ]But IMO the most irritating pieces of spam are large quotes with just a smilie or just a "I agree." I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ROTFLMAO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

PS This is my ‘favorite’ spam http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
I concur

ichi

ps i get the irony here
ROTFLMAO

Uh… Wait a minute… Oh, boy, I get it now too… http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

But seriously, spam will never be completely eradicated here, and we should feel proud that the Org is keeping some of the greatest spammers of the streets http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

Yet I was wondering the other day; can you measure the level of “geekness” of someone's number of posts when compared to his period of membership?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-glasses2.gif

I know some won’t even dare going there… http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ July 06 2004,18:52)]Meh, I don't think its that bad.

I know one forum I frequent where 50% of the posts are just a smilie and it drives me nuts.

I also know another forum where doing that will get you permanantly banned http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I don't think its that much of a problem here.

As to why you have less than 1000 posts, well you've only been here a few months...

Sure, BKS spams the hell out of the OWS, but he also makes lots of proper posts elsewhere. Gawain & JAG have over 3000 posts and most of those are long, thoughtful posts (apart from JAGs first 1000 or so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )
Actually, those days are gone. I foreswore the one word story when I became a mod. I don't think I've posted more than a couple of times in the last 15 pages or so.

I think we need to seperate good spam and bad spam. I mean, smilies and things are, for the most part, not desirable. However, Jokes and things I see as just a way of letting of steam during intellectual discussions. To summarise, as in most things, I think this board has something of a sense of humour about its spam.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

I can sympathise with ya Navaros. He is somewhat right. For example, not ot be beating up on other people, theres a guy named Inuyasha-something-or-other, who has over 200 post and the guy is still junior patron. Those are the knid of spammers that need to have some sense knocked into them.

And age isnt an issue either. I'm only 14, and I went from Junior to Member in about 20-30 post. Not ot be bragging, I'm just saying age is no excuse.

[Ja'chyra]

I don't think I'm a serial spammer, but I know I have posted one or two things that could be.

Are you trying to tell me there is no-one here that has posted anything that can be construed as spam? No offence meant meant Nav but I think you are being just a bit sanctimonious.

Ok, you have gave your opinions but to then trawl through posts and report the ones you don't like to a mod is just sad. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[The Wizard]

Lol Gawain http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anyways, I really still think you can't speak for the people of this board. So I have 2000+ posts? If you check them you will see little of them are spam, and if they are they are in the one word story and the word association game. By far all my posts are constructive and longer than a single line.

Same goes for all the posters here (including JAG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif )



~Wiz

[JAG]

A hell of a lot of my posts are multiple paragraph posts, and if not they are not spam. Granted I post a fair bit in the frontroom, but that is the lull between posting in the backroom for me, isn't that's what it is there for?

[ah_dut]

Quote[/b] (The Sword of Cao Cao @ July 07 2004,00:32)]I can sympathise with ya Navaros. He is somewhat right. For example, not ot be beating up on other people, theres a guy named Inuyasha-something-or-other, who has over 200 post and the guy is still junior patron. Those are the knid of spammers that need to have some sense knocked into them.

And age isnt an issue either. I'm only 14, and I went from Junior to Member in about 20-30 post. Not ot be bragging, I'm just saying age is no excuse.
inuyaha 12 by the way, Amir is even worse, he had 300 posts or something before he got promoted, Hehehe... i'm 13 and got promoted in 28 posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Who is the king od spam? Anyone want to venture a guess who posts "I agree or just a smiley "far more than anyone else here? Can there be any doubt?

[Bhruic]

While we're on the topic of spam, how about doing something about the "quote a huge chunk of text spanning 4+ posts, and then add a single line at the end" trend? Quoting the relevant portions of what you are responding to would seem to be sufficient. People can read the rest of the thread if they somehow become lost.

Bh

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yup I agree but its hard to do that if your link wont work and if you just post what you think is relevant sombody will bitch about it for not providing the source or link. I assume you were speaking of me.

[Bhruic]

Well, your long quotes are up there, yes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But I was also referring to some posts of which there are examples in this thread.

I don't understand what you mean by 'your link won't work'?

Bh

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote[/b] ]I don't understand what you mean by 'your link won't work'?

I mean say I go to fox news. I then click on a story there. If I try to make a link to that story it send you to fox news not the story . The addy doesnt change once I enter a site no matter where I go.

[Rufus]

Gawain - oftentimes if you right-click on the body of the page, you can see the properties, including the URL of that specific page, so you can link to it.

[Bhruic]

Quote[/b] (Gawain of Orkeny @ July 07 2004,20:48)]I mean say I go to fox news. I then click on a story there. If I try to make a link to that story it send you to fox news not the story . The addy doesnt change once I enter a site no matter where I go.
Well, I don't know what browser you use, but in most of them you can:

Right click on the link you want to copy
Select "copy link address" (or equivalent)
Paste that to the thread

Worth a try, anyway.

Bh

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yeah I know how to do it but its hard to copy and addy thats not there. Thanks though for the thought.

[Duke John]

Gawain
If you post new information even if it's a big piece of text taken from Fox then it's no problem if you quote that entirely in your post.
No one has seen it before so you can't be blamed for spamming.

However there are plenty of examples where members quote long posts in the very same thread or even page and then just add LMAO. In the Colosseum you will find some good examples.
These posts don't contain anything constructive and certainly doesn't add to the discussion. And they are the biggest spam because it's not only a single line post but also one that spans the entire screen because of the large quotes.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

True, DJ. But sometimes we cant help it. Like a certain joke Vanya pulled recently in the Colloseum had me literally laughing my ass off. Therefore I wrote "LOL" but added a little more to it. What else are we supposed to od when it comes to jokes that are funny as hell?

[Duke John]

You should laugh about jokes. It's terrible if you tell a joke and everybody just continues discussing. I have no problem with that. But it becomes irritating if you need to quote the entire joke.

[Navaros]

Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ July 06 2004,16:40)]But seriously, spam will never be completely eradicated here
it would be if you guys had the right men for the job

as an example, if I were a Mod, then i guarantee that i would completely eradicate spam off the board that i modded

if you guys can't eradicte spam, then it's because you're doing something wrong, or not doing anything, perhaps i should say

[Ser Clegane]

I don't think that my patrons on this forum would be too happy if the mods would rule with an "iron fist".

After all people come here to enjoy the place - and I do not think that some spam-Gestapo would really improve the atmosphere.

And apart from some cases I do not have the feeling that have a serious spam-problem here that would justify harsh actions against alleged spammers.

[Rosacrux]

Navaros, relax mon amis This ain't Guantanamo Bay, it's just a spam-friendly message board. And most spam, at least in the forums (Colloseum, Monastery) I am spamming... errr. posting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif is err... positive spam.

Yeah, that's the word. Positive. And Constructive. And Intelligent too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

P.S. I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

Quote[/b] (Navaros @ July 09 2004,02:50)]
Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ July 06 2004,16:40)]But seriously, spam will never be completely eradicated here
it would be if you guys had the right men for the job

as an example, if I were a Mod, then i guarantee that i would completely eradicate spam off the board that i modded

if you guys can't eradicte spam, then it's because you're doing something wrong, or not doing anything, perhaps i should say
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif no offense but the day we get a power mad spam hating dictator like you is the day me and MANY others leave this forum. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

-


Hey, why don't you give Sgt.Navaros a spam-prohibited board to moderate? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif




OK, no offense... Just a joke if you can take. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif
_

[King Edward]

Is there such a thing as a board without spam?

is a discussion about spam not spam in itself??

the only thing i do know it this post is spam http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[scooter_the_shooter]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ July 09 2004,10:04)]-


Hey, why don't you give Sgt.Navaros a spam-prohibited board to moderate? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif


LMAO

thats great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

[Navaros]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ July 09 2004,10:04)]Hey, why don't you give Sgt.Navaros a spam-prohibited board to moderate?
well hey - if you guys wanna know what a 100% spam-free board looks like, then the idea in the quoted text is a way that would definitely make it happen

[Lehesu]

Quote[/b] (Navaros @ July 12 2004,05:46)]
Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ July 09 2004,10:04)]Hey, why don't you give Sgt.Navaros a spam-prohibited board to moderate?
well hey - if you guys wanna know what a 100% spam-free board looks like, then the idea in the quoted text is a way that would definitely make it happen
That is also the day that Navaros completely snaps and loses his mind. Come on, it's just a stupid internet thing. No need to blow it out of proportion and permaneantly ban people because they want a little bit of banter. The day this forum gets too much like work is the day I quit.

[scooter_the_shooter]

come on nav lighten up this isnt a prison forum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/armed/27.gif

[JAG]

Quote[/b] (Lehesu @ July 12 2004,20:17)]
Quote[/b] (Navaros @ July 12 2004,05:46)]
Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ July 09 2004,10:04)]Hey, why don't you give Sgt.Navaros a spam-prohibited board to moderate?
well hey - if you guys wanna know what a 100% spam-free board looks like, then the idea in the quoted text is a way that would definitely make it happen
That is also the day that Navaros completely snaps and loses his mind. Come on, it's just a stupid internet thing. No need to blow it out of proportion and permaneantly ban people because they want a little bit of banter. The day this forum gets too much like work is the day I quit.
Agreed *spam*

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ July 04 2004,18:35)]I think this is mainly due to the nature of the boards-in that a lot of the posters consider other posters their friends. I don't see anything wrong with a little good-natured banter in the off-topic forum, because that's what it is-off topic. However, I agree with you that side-tracking discussions in the other forums is not cool. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-argue.gif
yeah you'd better or we're both headed to the slammer... https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Brutal DLX]

I think spam has increased abit in the Entrance Hall, but that's mostly due to newcomers.
Everybody did spam a little during their times, even Sinan https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif..and I think I'm also guilty of some 40ish posts back when the one word story began and was really one word story https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Anyway, spam is still at a tolerable level as far as I'm concerned and it's very low in the real in-depth Forums such as the Monastery, Apothecary or even the Story forums..
I don't see a need to act, and certainly not as radical as Navaros appears to imply.

Oh, and by the way, people who want power are generally a bad choice to be granted with such.

[solypsist]

in the end, how many posts you make doesn't matter.

[A.Saturnus]

I don´t want to show off (well, ok, I want it a bit), but if someone thinks that there are no intelligent discussions at the Org he should do the following:
- enter the search option
- search for "Judgment Day" in the topic title for the Entrance Hall
- read the found topic
- write a summary

If you can do that easily, you have no reason to change your mind
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[Mouzafphaerre]

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[Muneyoshi]

You really should of expected a lot of spam in this post as soon as you made it. Its like having a sign that says "Do NOT Push the Red Button" above a red button. 9/10 of somebody will push it https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Devastatin Dave]

What's

[Devastatin Dave]

wrong

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with

[Devastatin Dave]

spam

[Devastatin Dave]

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[Sjakihata]

Just before medieval was released, around this time, the forums began to increase with spam posts. Why? Because all tiny bith of stat in both shoggy and meddy have been discussed throughly, there simply are nothing NEW to discuss, hence the amount of spam slowly begins to increase, until... rome is released. Then there is plenty to discuss.


About post counts = spamemrs.... Look at you Navaros, you join march 2004 and and nearly holds 300 posts. That's 100 post pr month. Look at my post count, 2500 nearly. I've been for for almost 3 years. 100x12x3 = 3600. So actually me, and this is true for most people with a post count above 1000 is actually less spamemr than j00

[econ21]

I still find this board has a higher signal to noise ratio than most gaming boards I've seen. Not wishing to be insulting to anyone, but dipping into, say, legiontotalwar.com, it is as if few can string together a post longer than a single sentence (and a pretty vacuous one at that). By contrast, even in the tavern, the discussions seem pretty well informed and meaty.

It is true that there is less to discuss on topic right now than there will be when MTW came out, when these message boards were an amazing source of information. However, there are still some useful things coming out - for example, katank's contributions on strategy are often very insightful. My favourite haunt is the throne room, where you can chalk up large post counts dealing with necessary, if mundane, logistics that are justified by pretty substantial write-ups.

Blatant spamming seemed more common awhile back - I may have the wrong impression but it seems as if the linking of avatars to post counts has been relaxed and this has improved matters? I found the spamming mildly irritating, but so was being stuck with some dumb picture just because you had not made 500 posts or whatever.

I'm surprised at the equation of big post counts with spamming but then I must be an exception.
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[The Sword of Cao Cao]

nothing

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at

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all

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Dave. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[ah_dut]

spammer burn him Dave https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Sociopsychoactive]

Navaros, you are being a bit over the top. You keep saying that this forum is supposed to be a cut above the rest, well,if it is it isn't by harsher rules or banning spammers, it's by encouraging enlightening debate, allowing all opinions to be expressed (where not extreamly offensive), encouraging people to be friendly and positive, and NOT by punishing them for doing so.

As I have seen many, many times, one of the main causes of spam is when reaching a certain post count allows people certain privilages, usually titles. This board is the only one I have ever seen that promotes it;s members based purely on their contributions and the standard of their posts, not merely the number of them. On these boards having a higher post count means absolutely NOTHING to anyone. I belive the custom avatars at 500 posts has been changed because it started to encourage spaming.

Spamming, like crime, is something that would be compeltely and utterly immpossibly to eradicate. So what do you do about it? Simple, you follow the idea's of Lord Veinary of Ankh Morpork (read terry pratchets discworld books) and legalise it, give them a place to do it where others won;t be ofended and they can spam away to each other all day, keeping everyone happy. The spammers can spam, the posters can post, the novel writers can write novels.

Yes, you might still get a few annoying people, quite often new members who don;t quite understand the rules yet, but they will be gently informed that their spamming isn;t productive, and directed to the tavern where thy can spam all they like.

shouting that there is to much spam, just like shouting that there is to much crime, will only invite it upon yourself, as you can see by this thread.