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Fellow gamers,
I would like to start a new PBM, playing France (since it seems to be under-represented). So I'm looking for players.
To avoid delays in the game that have plagued the traditional PBM lists, I like to do a player pool system. Each player in the pool can immediately start playing the next reign, as soon as the previous player has uploaded the savegame. The new player just has to be the first to post that they have downloaded the game and are playing (i.e the first to post after the last reign gets to play. Since it is only a limited pool, we will all get to play in a (hopefully) short time).
Each player plays one reign, until all have played. Then we can resume again.
I anticipate a 4-8 player pool. As soon as I hear from 3 other players that they want to join, I'll declare the game started. More players can join the pool for a maximum of 8.
As for level and mode: Each player joining the pool gets to vote on either hard or normal / GA or Conquest . I'll tally the results at the start of the game and the majority will determine the setting.
looking forward to hearing from volunteers....
Tricky Lady
07-07-2004, 22:28
You can add me to the pool...
I'll join in whenever I have some time. Which might take a few weeks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smiley.gif
Afrit, the pool system or something like it has been tried before - for the Byzantine campaign. I hate it - who wants to be hanging round the throne room, seeing if they can be first to snatch a savegame?
Anyway as it was, the Byzantine campaign had some of the longest gaps and most delays of any thread, so I am not sure it solves the problem of delays you identify. Have a look at the thread and see what you think.
The problem as I see it is not so much delays in people picking up the savegame (which the pool would minimise). Rather the delays come because people pick up the savegame and then disappear. The pool would not help here. The better solution is to have strict rules for people on the list responding. In the early days, Kukrikhan used to require kings to post updates every two days. With active implementation from the person starting the campaign, I think that works. Sending wake-up calls to the next but one in-line to check they still want to be play also helps a lot.
But there is no harm trying your pool idea - I may be mistaken about it.
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ July 07 2004,16:32)] Afrit, the pool system or something like it has been tried before - for the Byzantine campaign. I hate it - who wants to be hanging round the throne room, seeing if they can be first to snatch a savegame?
Simon,
appreciate the feedback. I actually read the Byzantium thread and was inspired by it, but it did have its flaws. I remember seeing 2 posts ONE MINUTE apart The second guy was really pissed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif he did not get to play.
The pool I envision differs from Byzantium in 2 ways
1. Only players in the pool can pick up the game. So you should not need to hang on the board to get your turn.
2. The game will be uploaded as usual, not sent by email. So if someone picks it up and we don't hear from him/her in 7 days or so, then someone else can pick it up again.
Think of it as a list without a specific order.
I hope that clarifies it.
Now, would you like to join? I really enjoyed your writeups.
afrit
Yes, I'm interested although like TrickyLady have various other commitments - in that sense, a pool might suit me better than a list.
I vote for GA on expert. GA gives you more spice and more scope for role-playing; also players who want to conquer Europe can still do so in a GA game. France on early has some fun (and, with Krak de Chevalier, challenging) GAs.
Were you thinking of early? GAs. High might also be fun.
Xiahou Liao
07-08-2004, 15:05
Count me in. :p Though just a warning: June 15th, 2004, I will not be available at all.
Chimpyang
07-08-2004, 17:57
I'll play............the writeup is compulsary right?
OK. Looks like we have enough players in the pool to get started
myself (Afrit) vote for Hard/GA/Early
Simon Appleton voted for Early or HIgh/GA/Expert
Tricky lady - no vote
Chimpyang - no vote
Xiahou Liao- no vote
Those who did not vote, can do so in the next 6 hours or so (which is when I get home from work). At that point I'll tally the votes and declare the game started.
I have very few rules, because I like to see how others play. You can make your own rules to have the game be more challenging.
My only rules are:
1. Give priority to GA goals and try to stay communicated as much as possible (assuming it is a GA game).
2. Writeup mandatory (pictures optional, but encouraged)
3. Save games to be uploaded to the org. PLease call it The_French_Dynasty_yyyy (so that we all identify it, yyyy=year)
You are encouraged to state your monarch's goal at the beginnning of the reign, and suggest a title for him at teh end.
Once I declare the game started tonight, you can get started. The first in the pool above to post they want to play gets to go. I will not be able to play tonight (long work day tomorrow. Must go to bed early http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif )
thanks for joining
Afrit
Tricky Lady
07-08-2004, 19:08
I vote for Hard/Early.
GA or total conquest are both okay for me.
(I suppose this counts as a vote for GA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin.gif)
Chimpyang
07-08-2004, 19:45
Expert High GA
Thanks for the votes. I am still at work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif . Had an emergency come up. Will be working till midnight maybe.
So in order to avoid delaying by a day, I'll go ahead and declare the game started http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
It looks like Early wins (TL, myself) over high (Chimpyang). Simon had no preference
It's clear GA wins (Myself, Simon, Chimpyang ) vs conquest
We are tied 2 votes apiece at Hard (Myself,TL) vs Expert (Chimpyang,Simon). We will have a compromise of sorts. If Chimpyang or Simon start, go ahead and choose Expert. I assume that they have played Expert before and so by the next reign France will be in relatively better position than the starting one. If TL or myself get to start, then will set on hard, as France is pretty tough to begin with. I'm sure the next reign will have a challenge (definitely if I go first http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ). If Xiahou starts, he gets to choose hard or expert.
So game is VI 2.01 (with patch)/France/Early/GA/Hard or Expert
So I say, simon, Xiahou, TL, Chimpyang: whoever of you wants to start, go ahead post a reply and begin playing
Vive Le Roi and good luck
afrit
Other players/PBMErs : we still have 3 spots in the pool if you want to join.
PS: Let's use this thread for all communication regarding game order, advice, informal updates. I'll make a new thread for write-ups only.
Xiahou Liao
07-09-2004, 04:13
Can I reserve a spot for second instead? Lol...I don't wanna start...
Xiahou Liao,
since this is a pool in no particular order, no one has a particular spot. Once a player finishes his/her reign, the first player to post that they want the next reign will go. Given that most other players in the pool seem to be busy, you will probably get second reign anyways.
THe reason I don't want to reserve a spot for a particular player is that sometimes people have new obligations or their turn comes at a bad time, and so they will hold up the PBM, while another player with free time wants to play but it is not their turn.
sorry for the different rule, but I think it is better (and if it turns out to be a bad idea, well at least we tried something new...)
Afrit
Chimpyang
07-09-2004, 17:19
I have started playing it...on Expert.....my aim is to rid our lands of the english pest and to prepare for a grand crusade.
Chimpyang
07-09-2004, 17:46
Okay, i've finihsed it.....will upload later. I have sent out our first crusade, but not to tripoli but another crusade province, my thinknig is that we can weaken tripoli from there before we send our next crusade to capture it.
I have driven the english out of france and have killed their king, however his heir remains and i will detail all 3 battles of Flanders in my write up. We are okay for money, roughy 20k with around 1300 per year, i have packed off a punch of mercs as well as hiring a couple of spears to proterct from english RK in flanders.
GL to who's next.
lonewolf371
07-10-2004, 01:24
I'll play, I haven't exactly played expert all that much, so I'm more likely to crash the empire rather than help it, but that's just more of a challenge for you guys right? Also, if no one else calls it I'll take the save.
Chimpyang. Sounds like you had a good time. Thanks for giving the Dynasty what sounds like a solid start. Please upload savegame ASAP. Writeup can wait a couple of days.
welcome aboard lonewolf371. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif I'll add you to the pool.
I have free time this weekend too, so I would like to play as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But since lonewolf asked for the game before I did, I'll let him go ahead of me(being bitten by my own rules http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif )
Since I did not anticipate a player declaring their turn finished without uploading a game, I 'll amend the rules as follows:
Amendment #1: The first to post they want the game AFTER it is UPLOADED gets to go first. (Again the idea is that when you say you're free to play, you can start playing. Obviously without the savegame, you cannot play . If you declare you want the game but it is not ready yet,we get back to the situation where someone is next).
Amendment #2: New players added to the pool need to wait for welcome reply before requesting a game. This is to be fair to the existing players who may otherwise feel that an outsider got the game (although I personally think of all MTW players as one happy family http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif without outsiders). Any existing pool member can welcome the new player. Again maximum pool number is 8 (now we are at 6, so 2 more are needed).
So the status now is that as soon as Chimpyang uploads the game, whoever posts afterwards gets to go . Eligible players are:
Xiahou, Tricky Lady, lonewolf or Simon Appleton . I will NOT go next to avoid the appearance that I amended the rules for my own benefit
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cheers
Afrit
Chimpyang
07-10-2004, 13:51
ok file uploaded TheFrenchDynastly1110PB.rar
Chimpyang
07-10-2004, 14:01
Hmmm......the position is interesting....i advise that simon gets the next one cos the empire still needs some stabilising and if everyone else hasn;t really played expert it can be a little awkward.
OK, if I understand things right, Chimpyang has posted that the game is uploaded and no one else has subsequently posted so I will claim the game.
The situation is very positive - France is united and has 18000 florins in the bank. But the army is not stellar, so we are still vulnerable.
I will try to consolidate the situation, aiming at the facilitating that tough Krak de Chevalier GA goal. I'll try to avoid other conquests and wars as steamrollering Europe is against the spirit of a GA game. Let's just hope Europe does not steamroller us instead
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ July 10 2004,12:29)] OK, if I understand things right,
You sure do Simon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Go get them and let the Dynasty flourish.
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Again, we are looking for 2 more players to fill the pool.
And once Simon uploads his savegame, any of the following players can claim the next (3rd) reign: lonewolf, Tricky Lady, Xiahou or myself.
Looking forward to Chimpyang's writeup.
Afrit
lonewolf371
07-12-2004, 10:03
VIVA LE FRANCE
SANDWICH POWER
King Jean II died suddenly at the age of 52 in the year 1131. His son, King Henri II succeeds him. I've uploaded the file (excuse the typo):
TheFrenchDynastly1132PB.zip
The player to claim it should be aware that it will be a pretty big commitment in terms of time. Henri is only 21 and we are at war with (almost) everyone.
That said, things are in good shape. We are the richest, with the biggest army, a defensible homeland and a good beachhead in Antioch and Tripoli. We are cranking out ships and if production is maintained, should be able to establish communications by sea with the Levant in a few years. Krak de Chevalier, Notre Dame and a crusade to Palestine are the main glorious achievements that the new King should work for as the first two at least will take a lot of preparation.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/simon.appleton1/HenriII.jpg
Xiahou Liao
07-12-2004, 18:15
I'll download it and take on the 3rd reign.
To war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif
Happy to see the PBM moving along. Looking good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Now I am dying for writeups I think CHimpyang has yet to finish his (he mentioned 3 battles of Flanders, but wrote only on 2) see chronicle thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=25;t=20212)
Simon, I look forward to your full writeup (thx for the screenie to give us an update).
After Xiahou Liao finishes his reign, the next eligible are : me, Tricky Lady, Lonewolf
Still looking for 2 more players.
Good luck
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afrit
Happy to see the PBM moving along. Looking good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Now I am dying for writeups I think CHimpyang has yet to finish his (he mentioned 3 battles of Flanders, but wrote only on 2) see chronicle thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=25;t=20212)
Simon, I look forward to your full writeup (thx for the screenie to give us an update).
After Xiahou Liao finishes his reign, the next eligible are : me, Tricky Lady, Lonewolf
Still looking for 2 more players.
Good luck
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afrit
Chimpyang
07-13-2004, 16:03
Actually threre was 4....one wasn't really a battle, as you'll soon see.
Simon, nice to se you using some of the merc i hired a long time back......now they'll earn their pay.
Quote[/b] (Chimpyang @ July 13 2004,10:03)]Simon, nice to se you using some of the merc i hired a long time back......now they'll earn their pay.
Yes, the mercs were decisive in defeating the Germans. Vikings appear very economical anti-infantry units, while spears with mail are a major boost in the early period. I know it might be considered bad form to rely on mercs to beat the AI, but it seemed unavoidable. We have very low tech native units (spearmen, archers and hobilars). Maybe I was wrong, but I prioritised the fleet and buildings over training troops. The Aragonese and Spanish we defeated with our own stuff though. I am not sure how much mercs help crusades, as by the time you arrive by foot, they have been whittled down to very small units but I understand they have no support costs in which case, why not?
Xiahou Liao
07-14-2004, 21:54
Hey, sorry right now I have a bunch of stuff going on...so I won't get to play games 100% concentration for a while. So I'll have to drop the reign. I haven't even started really honestly. :o I haven't had time...especially tomorrow.
But if you want to wait like...two weeks for me to be finished, then I'll keep my reign. I only get to play like, 10 minutes at most every OTHER day.
Thanks for keeping us informed, Xiaohou, but I think we have to move on. The idea of the pool was to minimise delays. You can always claim a game at a later stage when you are free to play. Unless Afrit disagrees, next player in the pool to post he/she wants the game gets it.
lonewolf371
07-15-2004, 00:00
I wouldn't mind taking over the reign, but I can't figure out how to download the file. All I ever get is the .Org image.
Xiahou,
sorry you got tied up.
Simon is right. Whoever is free gets to go and play. Lonewolf posted first, so he gets to go third reign.
Lonewolf is right, for some reason I cannot download the file with Explorer on a PC. I also get the org.gif file despite using download target as THe link seems correct when you Copy shortcut.
I got it without problem using my Mac . So I can email to lonewolf. What is your email?
afrit
actually I couldn';t download it with the Mac either. I got confused by another link.
Simon, something not right with the link. Can you re-upload or mail to lonewolf?
afrit
PS: simon, excellent writeup and great reign https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Truly a pleasure to read. Also impressed that you managed to hold on to Anitoch Can you fill in the details of the second and third battle of Antioch?. DOesn't have to be in writeup.
afrit
Xiahou Liao
07-15-2004, 06:00
The download is fine. I have it. I could e-mail or MSN it if you guys want...
I suspect there is a problem with the org uploader right now - it did work for Xiaohou before. My e-mail is simon.appleton@nottingham.ac.uk.
Lonewolf or Afrit can e-mail me and I'll send them the game.
I'll post some details on the other two battles of Antioch when I get a few minutes.
lonewolf371
07-15-2004, 22:38
Alright Simon, I e-mailed you, looking forward to being Henri II.
OK, Lonewolf, I've e-mailed you the save game. Have a good reign
lonewolf371
07-16-2004, 10:25
Ok guys, reign is over, I made a lot of progress I mean GHEEZE you guys suck https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Actually I was really impressed from the start, but what with Antioch up and trading now and the Almohads in the dust we now have bottomless coffers Hooray https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
I'll upload the file soon, but first could someone tell me how to post screen-shots so I can use it for my write-up?
BTW, if you can't DL the file just e-mail me (lonewolf371@hotmail.com) and I'll send it to you.
EDIT: The goal at the start of my reign was to develop provinces and stabilize the economy, most of the buildings still seemed kind of under-developed, despite the excellent gains in territory.
lonewolf371
07-16-2004, 10:41
Title is: French Dynasty 1163, sorry forgot to put the The part.
And in case anyone is interested, Normandy was teching up to build spears, Champagne was building archers, Ile de France was building Men-at-Arms, Toulouse was almost ready to build Feudal Knights, and Aquitaine was teching up to light cavalry/Gendarmes.
Wow, that was quick, Lonewolf - did you get any sleep?? You seemed to have played your reign over night
Screenshots are very easy to post. First, take the TGA pictures you took by pressing F2 and then edit them to 80% size, saving as jpg format. I use microsoft photo editor. Then you need to upload them onto the internet - I believe the org has a uploader for this, but I've never used it. Finally in your write up you post the link with img in square brackets before the link and /img in square brackets after the link. Preview your post to check it looks right and you are done.
Sorry about the low tech buildings - I prioritised shipbuilding but kept all the hinterland provinces investing in buildings.
What's the situation regarding our GAs? Have we crusaded to Palestine? How far is Tripoli towards a citadel?
In response to Afrit's query about the other two battles of Antioch: we were given a break because the Turks fell into rebellion after the first battle. They later recovered by loyalist rebellions when our second crusade vacated Syria, so it did not have a permanent effect on them but it knocked the stuffing out them imbetween.
- the second battle was in 1124, the weakened Turks invaded with 761 men vs my 653. It was late and I did not want to spend 2 hours being shot to death by horse archers, so I autoresolved to go to bed. The results were 498 Turks dead and 217 of ours. I kinda liked those results, so I did not reload when I continued the game next day.
- the third battle was in 1127 when the Egytpians invaded with a big army (2000 or so). By that time I had built an inn and recruited two armoured spear types and one fari. The battle was a very serious one - the Egyptians came on in earnest. We killed 617, captured 256 and lost 211. The Egytpian Sultan was killed in the pursuit.
lonewolf371
07-16-2004, 11:00
Tripoli is building a Citadel now, Palestine is crushed, treasury is... oh, 77k or so. Chancellor is complete, basically the only people than can possibly oppose us now are the Byzantines, and that's only because they conquered all of Asia. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
But anyhow, I did stay up all night but that's only because with all this vacation time my sleep pattern is so messed up I'm almost nocturnal. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Unfortunately, I'll have to start staying awake during the day-time and going to sleep at night once band camp starts. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
lonewolf371
07-16-2004, 11:08
Oh yea, and if anyone else needs help posting images, TosaInu whipped us up a little something here (https://forums.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=25;t=10630).
Well done, Lonewolf, sounds like an interesting reign. The reason I prioritised shipbuilding is that if you can get a fleet in every sea, you can quickly amass a big balance.
So far as I can make out, either Afrit or TrickyLady can now claim the game. It would also be good if other people could sign up to join the pool in order to claim subsequent reigns.
lonewolf371
07-16-2004, 11:41
Yea thanks for the ships But what really got me was all the high-star generals you had. I'm really not all that much of a war-mongering type, so normally the highest amount of stars my generals get is 3 or 4. It helped our heirs too, Charles (next in line) has 7 general stars, 7 acumen, and I think 3 dread, but I normally don't care that much about dread anyway.
Yes, I was surprised by the quality of our leaders. It made defending our borders on expert much more manageable - each border province could have a decent leader. And it was quite a change from the garbage I am used to working with as a turtling HRE I think at least 3 of the high star generals we got were historical French ones - France, like England, is quite favoured in early and we did not create them. The quality of heirs does depend on our war-mongering, but in my reign that was defensive - the only war I started was against the Turks who I had to attack to get our crusade closer to Tripoli. I did let the King fight where possible, but never delayed a battle to wait for him and usually worked with whoever was at had.
Tricky Lady
07-16-2004, 17:01
Hi folks,
I'm not claiming the PBM (yet), so if afrit wants to play the next king, he can go.
I just post this short message to tell you that I'll be away from the internet for two weeks (end of July, beginning of August), and that I'll most probably won't have time to play a reign.
Please keep me in the players' pool though, I'd like to take up a reign when I return from my holidays (assuming that there still *is* a reign to be played by then, of course).
If afrit can't play this week, then I will try to play the game somewhere this week no matter how. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smiley.gif
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Hi gang https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Happy to see the PBM progressing well. You guys rock And we were worried that it is on expert. Hah
This is one of the faster PBMS so far. I would like to think the pool idea has something to do with it. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But I am afraid I will slow it down some. I am (finally) picking up the PBM. I'll play some tonight, and then later Sunday (I am going camping Saturday, yeeha Good decompression from an exhausting week at work .)
I also picked up the dormant Italian PBM, but this one is more interesting and gets priority.
I look forward to lonewolf's writeup in the Chronicle thread.
cheers
Afrit
PS: once I finish, Tricky Lady will be the only one eligible, unless we get more players in the pool.
If TL cannot play, and we do not get new players, I'll make everyone else eligible to play again.
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Xiahou is also eligible after my reign. Just noticed that when updating the List of Active PBMs https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Sorrya 'bout that
afrit
lonewolf371
07-17-2004, 04:21
Good luck with your reign afrit.
lonewolf,
I hoe you're still here. I cannot download the savegame Same problem you had. Can you email me ? (tonymakhlouf@yahoo.com).
afrit
lonewolf371
07-17-2004, 05:40
Sorry, was doing write-up for awhile, I sent the e-mail, you should get it soon.
EDIT: I just noticed that on one of your posts a couple posts back one of your smiley faces has one eye [.)]. Isn't that a bit odd?
hi there,
quick update. I played a few years already. It is really easy now with all the preparation by the previous reigns https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif . We are in the lead of GA points. I just took Syria and Arabia (it was nice to beat the AI on expert despite being outnumbered 2100 to 1040 https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif )
So Tripoli is not a border province anymore, and I moved the King there to supervise the Citadel construction personally.
I plan on role-playing King Charles (command 7, killer instinct, hard sums, high piety) by personally leading campaigns with him in the Levant against muslims or byz while keeping the peace and trade income going in Europe, and also built a dominant navy to deter enemy attacks on our ships.
If the byz attack us, I'll crusade against them https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif With a weak byzantium, when the GH hits my successors will have a challenge left to do https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
afrit
lonewolf371
07-20-2004, 20:06
Try and leave at least some challenge, don't crash the empire or anything, but let a rogue nation develop so we have numbers against us.
Chimpyang
07-20-2004, 20:27
7* https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif how did you guys manage to create such a monsterous leader
lonewolf371
07-20-2004, 20:30
Simple, you and Appleton created them for us. Then I just added a few more battles on top of it and WHABANG, all of our heirs are at least 6 stars.
quick update:
It is now 1180.
finances doing great (250 K). King Charles is a magnificent builder etc...
Every time he invades a country, rebellions break out. Giving good practice to rear commanders.
War with byzantium imminent after a decade of almost total peace. We have declared a crusade against Volga-Bulgaria when it was rebel held, but now byzantium holds it. THe crusade is sitting next door in Khazar (given permission by Byzantines) awaiting our navy to be in position to take on Byz navy.
afrit
lonewolf371
07-22-2004, 19:31
May our forces ride to victory.
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final update:
It is 1191. King Charles IV has just died at age after reigning for 28 years.
By themes:
Succession:
King Jean III (age 22) is in good shape. Command 8, acumen 9, dread 7. He is single and so needs to be married off.
Technology:
France has multiple Citadels (most developed province is Toulouse where King has been Teleported) including: Tripoli, Ile De France (cathedral GA halfway done), Toulouse (teching for Chiv knights , should be available around 1215 by my count). Moldavia recently conquered fro mByz may be able to get a few avar nobles before Early period is out. Syria teching for assassins high level
GA:
All crusades have been achieved before my reign. Citadel in Tripoli started by lonewolf finished with appropirate credit given. Notre Dame cathedral in Ile De France is halfway done. We have 80 points and are in the lead.
Military:
Lots of troops with good commanders (princes and others). Toulouse pumping FK's, ANtioch turcopoles, Leon Jinetes. A couple of crusade markers ready as well. One active crusade with target Greece.
Navy:
I built lots of ships. I aimed for at least 2 ships in each sea region and mostly achieved that. THis is to deter sneak attacks by neutrals and keep others at peace.
Treasury:
Lots of Merchants and Merchant guilds to provide hefty income of around 30,000 (down from peak of 36,000 because of Byzantine war).
Treasury at 345 K and rising. Trade dependent on keeping neutrals neutral (especially Italy,Sicily,Pope).
We are richest, biggest military, most advanced.
War:
We are at war actively with Byzantium. We have taken Constantinople with its port and some other facilities. A trade post is being built there, but already its income is >1000 florins. Nicaea has been sacked and Greece is besieged. Moldavia was taken to try for avar nobles (my successor may get a few years of production if my reding of tech tree is correct). They still have a pesky dromon occasionally blocking constantinople, but we have a minimum of 2 ships everywhere. By taking Moldavia and Const, the Byz empire is split into 3 separate pieces. Some more pressure and I think it will break apart. But they are still mighty tough with lots of good generals.
We are at nominal war with
almohads, England, Germ,any, Turkey. All refused armistice offers. All have not had any military action during my reign. Only ally is the pope.
I did not want to conquer too much to avoid AI gang up. Only provinces conquered in my reign are Sinai, SYria, Sinai, Lesser Armenia, Constantinople, Moldavia, Greece.
Whoever follows will have a great time I hope. I hope Tricky Ladycan take it on.
good luck
Afrit
lonewolf371
07-24-2004, 16:49
Sounds like we should just get it over with and conquer the rest of the map. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
we could conquer the map if we wanted to, probably just in time before the GH appears. But I'll leave that decision to the next King (Tricky Lady, Xiahou or new volunteer).
I had to restrain myself from attacking during my reign because I wanted to accumulate as much wealth as possible King Charles had hard sums virtue and I figured he would like to add up lots of money. I propose The Rich as his nickname.
Personally I like to take it slow and maybe get to some higher units. If I get a turn again at this, I want to experiment with the Toulouse Chiv Knights, some halberds and assassins in a full frontal assault on the horde when they show up.
I do think one problem with starting a campaign on early is that you finish too soon before higher units are available and the game becomes one of mass production of mid-level units. Which is why I am interested in your byz PBM (which, BTW, I think is too tough ).
cheers,
afrit
PS: write up coming in the chronicle thread.
lonewolf371
07-24-2004, 18:16
Yea well just watching all the other PBM's where the players pizzown the AI by 1092 got me mad and thinking about how to make it harder. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Tricky Lady
07-25-2004, 15:47
hello guys,
I will be off for two weeks, so I will not be able to play a reign in this PBEM.
I'll check in two weeks if there's still a piece of the cake left for me...
https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
lonewolf371
07-25-2004, 21:54
Our faith is now in Xiahou or some new joiner then...
https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif
Sorry to hear TL cannot go next.
I will wait for a new volunteer for a couple more days, and then if no one joins, I will reopen the game to the initial players (Chimpyamg, Simon, lonewolf) on a first come-first serve.
BTW, I did post my writeup in the chronicle thread. I'm working on pictures to be added.
cheers,
afrit
lonewolf371
08-04-2004, 02:15
However, he left an unfinished wart with Byzantium
Hehehe... wart with Byzantium.
The_Emperor
08-04-2004, 16:10
A Byzantine Wart... Sounds painful! ~:joker:
Anyway good to see this campaign still going strong.
lonewolf371
08-08-2004, 04:11
Say... you wanna do the next reign?
Tricky Lady
08-08-2004, 20:14
Hello
It seems that there is still some room for me to play a reign in this PBEM, right? (didn't read the write-ups yet).
You can add me to the pool again if you don't mind. I'll try to play this week.
lonewolf371
08-09-2004, 00:28
Yep plenty room, I think afrit's uploaded the PBM already so you should be able to start any time.
~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: :help: ~:eek: ~:confused: ~:confused:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ALL OUR WRITE-UPS HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED! EVIL # SIGNS AND MIS-PLACED PUNCUATION MARKS HAVE MESSED THEM ALL UP! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
~:angry: ~:angry: ~:argue: ~:argue: ~:pissed: ~:pissed: ~:shock:
Nice to see you're back Tricky Lady. Good luck with the reign ~:wave: . The savcegame has been uploaded already.
afrit
Tricky Lady
08-23-2004, 20:00
Okay guys, first of all sorry but I've been really too busy these last weeks to even *think* of MTW...
It seems that this week promises to be calmer, so I assume I will have some time to play this French reign...
Anyway, thanks for your patience. I'll try to get back with a modest write-up later this week.
...hopefully... :tongue:
lonewolf371
08-24-2004, 01:45
Yay, our massive empire will grow more now!
Tricky Lady
08-29-2004, 17:19
Hi guys ~:wave:
I've played the period 1191-1200, and things are going fairly well (thanks to my predecessors).
Just got a question to you. My gameplay is usually kinda cautious (understatement). I've read that someone posted that conquering the whole map before 1250 is possible (which is true IMHO). Now this is a GA game. Are we abandoning the GA concept, and heading for the total conquest, or are you okay if I just cautiously launch a crusade here and there, and try to pick some (valuable) land from our sworn enemies (HRE i.e.).
I am not going to conquest the entire map within this king's reign, but if you wan t me to, I can give start steamrolling Europe...
Whaddayathink?
~:cool:
lonewolf371
08-29-2004, 20:00
Unless we use an ian switch the game will get pretty boring about now, if we conquer the map we might be able to switch to a RTW PBM sometime soon. It's your choice though, if you wanna play around with the Byzantines by sending mass peasant armies against them and see how long they can stand be my guest.
It's all up to you TL. THis is why I like PBM's. They don't end up like my own games (where I basically steamroll).
I don't know if we will get any more challenging GA's. If not, then you should make up a GA for your king based on his V&V's, be it modernizing the army in anticipation of a nice juicy golden horde battle :duel: ,or becoming insanely rich (>1 million) or finishing off particular enemies .... As long as the writeup ends up interesting (yours always are ~;) )
We'll probably manage one more reign before RTW pushes all previous PBM's into oblivion :end: And that may be enough to finish the map if needed.
have fun. ~:cheers:
Tricky Lady
08-30-2004, 19:05
(yours always are ~;) )
I guess I can take this as a compliment :smiley:
OK, as the clock hits almost 1205 I'll go for the modernisation of the French army, and I'll try to be a pious ruler and conquer as much territory as possibly by launching Crusades.
:knight:
The_Emperor
09-01-2004, 08:47
Nice to see the campaign is still going...
Best of luck with the crusades, Tricky Lady. :knight:
Tricky Lady
09-02-2004, 16:45
Thanks Emperor.
A small update: I've sent crusades to Byzantine provinces in Minor Asia and Cyprus, and added them to the realm. A few provinces (Armenia and Rum) were taken by the regular forces.
I suffered one (not massive, but still a biggie) defeat in Egypt when I tried to wipe out the Germans colony, but alas my arrogance (or was it the general's arrogance? :wink:) caused a bad defeat. [Note: I think it was a combination of both an arrogant attack (=rushing straight forward) and some bad commanding or morale-affecting general's vice; anyway, just to say that I lost, lol]
Luckily our economy is healthy (very healthy) and I could easily replenish the French garrison in the Sinai, and fight a "trench war" with the Germans now.
Tricky Lady,
anything new on the French front?
Afrit
Tricky Lady
09-10-2004, 19:10
No, but the campaign (at least my part) will be finished very soon. Just been too busy with other stuff then MTW recently.
I guess it's OK if I settle for the 60% victory, as I assume that no-one's picking this campaign up after me?
That's great. If you get to the 60% victory, then go ahead and end the game. Would be nice if you save a screenie of the victory screen (I have never seen the French one). Then I'll put together all the writeups in the dynasty thread (there were some typos introduced with the board change that I'll correct).
If you don't get to 60%, I'll continue the game, probably to 100% .
Then I'll go back to practicing the demo in preparation for RTW ~:joker:
Afrit
Tricky Lady
09-23-2004, 11:13
I've accepted the lesser victory. I had to put down a few (tiny) rebellions in almost the whole of Middle East (rebellions in each province from Anatolia down to Syria and Tripoli). I lost Georgia to the rebels though.
When I invaded Ireland, the lesser victory end screen popped up.
(BTW, sorry afrit I've forgotten to F2 the French victory screen; just realised I should've done that when I read your last post)
King Jean III ended as an Über-King, with maxed stats everywhere, except command and dread, both 8. This was the first I played such a superking... ~:cool:
I'll prepare & post a few screenies later...
Chimpyang
09-23-2004, 17:30
Nice one TL, this one was over quickly wasn't it?
Tricky Lady
09-23-2004, 18:51
:laugh4:
Yeah, this must have been my swiftest campaign ever!
:bow:
Vive La France! :charge:
Just in time to assemble the entire campaign before taking on Rome.
Cheers,
Afrit
Tricky Lady
09-24-2004, 12:33
I've just edited a few pictures of the end phase of this PBEM campaign.
Completion of Notre Dame Cathedral thanks to the efforts of Jean III's predecessors:
http://home.scarlet.be/~cpel/MTW/PBEM_France/NotreDame.jpg
Stats and Vices & Virtues of King Jean III, not exactly the finest guy on earth IMO:
http://home.scarlet.be/~cpel/MTW/PBEM_France/JeanIII_stats.jpg
http://home.scarlet.be/~cpel/MTW/PBEM_France/JeanIII_VV.jpg
...and finally the 60% of the map that the French kings conquered from 1087 tot 1220:
http://home.scarlet.be/~cpel/MTW/PBEM_France/France1220.jpg
~:wave:
Silver Rusher
09-24-2004, 12:40
OH MY F*CKING GOD THAT MAP LOOKS WIERD!
byz in russia
egyptians not fully eliminated and still in egypt
sicilians own corsica and sardinia is rebel
scotland is rebel, why?
Tricky Lady
09-24-2004, 14:10
byz in russia
Remainder of once mighty Byz empire. Their empire stretched from south to Greece and minor Asia (Constantinople had already fallen for a French Crusade) when King Jean III was crowned.
egyptians not fully eliminated and still in egypt
Egypt was conquered by a German crusade, and became rebel when I started taking some HRE provinces on the main land. Just when I wanted to invade the lousy rebel province the Egyptians re-emerged with an insanely huge army, so I left them alone.
scotland is rebel, why?
The English couldn't keep it. ~;p I conquered England (Wales, Mercia, Northumbria) in the last years of my reign. Planned to invade Scotland after conquering Ireland, but when Ireland fell I got the 60% victory screen.
lonewolf371
09-25-2004, 01:10
It was a good PBM, but it appears RTW has now taken over all... No more focus on MTW it appears.
OH MY F*CKING GOD THAT MAP LOOKS WIERD!
..., why?
Ahh! Therein lies the beauty of PBM campaigns.
@TL,
Good job. Thanks for finishing it :-).
I guess the screenies are the substitute for the write up. I'll go ahead and figure out how to transfer them to the chronicle thread and write your reign as a short paragraph "addendum" to my history-chapter-style writeup if you don't mind. Unless you still plan on writing it up yourself in the chronicle thread.
Afrit
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