The Influence of Influence for diplomats

[Tamur]

Influence affects only the situation(s) where:


The diplomat is trying to bribe another faction's diplomat OR family member, and the one being bribed is four-influence points or more greater than the diplomat attemting the bribe. In this case, the option to bribe will not be available to the diplomat hoping to offer the bribe.

[Tamur]

Hi all,

I've done a good deal of testing on diplomatic influence in many diplomatic situations, and am hypothesising that it only affects situations where:


one side or the other of a negotiation is entirely cash-based
the diplomat is the target of assassination

more difficult to assassinate

the diplomat is the target of a bribe attempt

more expensive to bribe
if diplomat is more than three points higher in influence than the bribing diplomat, then the bribe will be impossible (not even show up as an option)



Base:

- base diplomat: 1-influence Julii diplomat
- base city: Lemonum, Briton-held, 1393 population, 105% public order, 2% pop. growth, 535 income, garrison of one 121-man warband
- base cost to bribe: 8367
- rebel army: 2 warband
- base army bribe: 790

Method:

- saved at base, and reverted to base for each diplomatic attempt
- added influence points for each iteration
- after adding influence point, attempted to negotiate. The following are in [offer]/[demand] format


alliance/cash
alliance/trade rights & cash
alliance/map information

- in the same turn, attempted to bribe rebel army
- noted results, and reloaded base

Conclusions:

- the 1-influence diplomat had exactly the same results as the 10-influence diplomat in all negotiations
- even cash-only transactions yeilded no difference between 1 and 10-influence attempts
- army bribes and settlement bribes yeilded no difference between 1 and 10-influence diplomats

[Silver Rusher]

I would like to see something happen here. I do not think that influence really does matter in most negotiations. I mean, if some guy came up to you in the best accent of your national tongue speaking charmingly and respectfully, obviously being a very skilled diplomat and asked for an alliance and trade rights, would you be any more likely to accept than if the same question was asked by an obvious foreigner who could barely speak your language let alone the correct accent, and did not have very much diplomatic skill. I know I wouldn't...

That's why I think it was wise of CA to limit the influence of high-influence diplomats in the way that Tamur has stated above.

[Tamur]

I was able to verify that, in all cases, the four-influence difference leads to a no-bribe option situation, for both other faction's family members and other faction's diplomats.