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Efrem
12-26-2004, 00:08
Last time I looked the Totalwar serious was for Mature Audiences 15 years and over, I don't know what it is in America or Britain but due to the games content I wouldn't be suprised if it was similiar.

Now, this forum is for the totalwar games isn't it? So, why then are we forbidden to swear, even with key letters cencored out for a game that allows you to commit GENOCIDE AND MASS SLAUGHTER.


I'm sorry, this just doesn't ring true for me.

LittleGrizzly
12-26-2004, 00:23
My RTW copy says 12+, we do get people young people on the forums had a 10 year old once.

saying that i wouldn't mind being able to swear, just not at people...

Efrem
12-26-2004, 01:14
Fair enough,

But I got a warning level for making a joke and using the f word with the u cencored out. (My other one is for mentioning Id*ho's name in a post.)


Perhaps there is a way to get some of these rules changed or modafied to take into consideration the ages of the forum members?

IrishMike
12-26-2004, 01:50
If were all mature adults, we don't need to swear. We should be able to communicate ourselves without the use of swear words if were mature shouldn't we? Personally I don't see the need for it or the use for it, and even more so since it is against the rules of the Guild. I don't even swear all that much while talking to people. The only times I can think of is when I make a huge mistake, or playing soccer.

Uesugi Kenshin
12-26-2004, 04:16
We do not need to swear and it is not like they ban you for cursing a few times, now is it?

Efrem
12-26-2004, 04:33
No, 5 is the magic number.

@Cold Knight, you don't swear, good for you. Its not like being able to swear will make you swear so I don't understand your problem with what I am asking.

IrishMike
12-26-2004, 04:44
I don't have a problem. As being in highschool, its an everyday occurance for me, so I have no problem at all with swearing. I believe that the rules of the org were made to stop people from having post full of swearing, that would just downgrade the quality of the board, instead of swearing being a way to express extreme emotion (like they should be used). But over all Efrem I have no problem with your request, I was just merely asking why it was so nessesary.

sharrukin
12-26-2004, 04:47
No one is stopping you from swearing, you just shouldn't post it.

You are supposed to use this forum to communicate with other people on a variety of subjects. Adolescent Behaviour such as I have seen on other forums will often reach such a level that people that I want to learn from will avoid showing up here. I have friends on other forums that largely avoid certain areas of their forums due to exactly this problem.

We are not little children that we cannot find some other way to state what we want to say.

frogbeastegg
12-26-2004, 11:57
The lowest rating for any of my TW games is 11; that is on MTW.

The age of the members is not the sole issue at play here; a good proportion of patrons have young children. Understandably many of those members do not want their children reading over daddy's shoulder and asking, "What does :furious3: :smash: ~:eek: mean?"

TosaInu
12-26-2004, 12:59
5 warnings doesn't ban.

ah_dut
12-26-2004, 13:22
well, as stated before, I go to a senior school...look at my profile to see my age. and swearing is an everyday occurance.

I don't have a problem. As being in highschool, its an everyday occurance for me, so I have no problem at all with swearing. I believe that the rules of the org were made to stop people from having post full of swearing, that would just downgrade the quality of the board, instead of swearing being a way to express extreme emotion (like they should be used). But over all Efrem I have no problem with your request, I was just merely asking why it was so nessesary.
I agree absolutely here. I can express my my extreme dislike of many right wing policies and ideals without swearing...hell even Demonarchangel doesn't need to swear all the time to get his point through...even PJ or Capo don't. If these 'offensive' patrons don't then you most certainantly don't need to.
ps: I say that DA, PJ and Capo are offensive because they say some very controversial things and I have been offended (quite mildly mind) by all 3

Redleg
12-26-2004, 14:12
Keep the rules about swearing exactly the way they are, in my opinion. Swearing means one thing only - an inablity to communicate effectively.

Mount Suribachi
12-26-2004, 15:39
lol, what does that say about an army then? ~D

Hosakawa Tito
12-26-2004, 18:13
*Winston Churchill*

When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.

Accounting Troll
12-26-2004, 18:43
Sorry to sound snobbish, but I dislike reading through a thread that is mostly swear words strung together. The moderators are not power crazed dictators looking to punish people for the occasional slip, although they might edit the post to cut out the offending word - a full time job in the Tavern.

Redleg
12-27-2004, 14:51
lol, what does that say about an army then? ~D

The best commanders I ever had - rarely swore - and when they did you knew that you went to far with them.

Now NCO's on the other hand - its part of the nature of the beast that is the army. But its not effective communication - its effective forcing individuals to do what you want them to do.

Devastatin Dave
12-27-2004, 23:26
Now NCO's on the other hand - its part of the nature of the beast that is the army. But its not effective communication - its effective forcing individuals to do what you want them to do.

You're ### d### right about that. ~D
As an NCO and having to direct people to do things that some bone headed officer wants to do for their his/her own benifit. That's when I as an NCO needs to first tell my troops to do it, then if they don't or bitch about it, then I tell them a little more harshly.
But i do agree, I believe that the more foul language you use, the less intellect you have. That's why I'm a dumbass and everyone can p### off!!!! ~D

Happy New year.

discovery1
12-28-2004, 00:47
Sorry to sound snobbish, but I dislike reading through a thread that is mostly swear words strung together.

Odd. I don't remember such threads existing before the ban. Could you please give me an example?

spmetla
12-29-2004, 08:13
Come on guys, there's no need to swear. If you get angry there's a multitude of non curse words you can use to convey that hatred along with these guys: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

Axeknight
12-29-2004, 15:46
I think the swearing rules are fine as they are. In fact, the Org is pretty relaxed compared to one of the boards I'm a reg of, where even 'damn' is censored, and it's done automatically, so Arsenal Football Club and Moby Dick become ****nal Football Club and Moby ****.

Kaiser of Arabia
12-29-2004, 21:22
Yay I have joined the Ranks of PanzerJager!

PanzerJaeger
12-29-2004, 21:56
I say that DA, PJ and Capo are offensive because they say some very controversial things and I have been offended (quite mildly mind) by all 3

I apologize for offending you Ah Dut, it was not my intent.

ah_dut
12-29-2004, 22:01
Of course it isn't if you were here just to offend people, you'd have to be quite sad indeed. Since I trust you're normal, I am probably just being thin skinned most of the time.

Kaiser of Arabia
12-29-2004, 22:51
You never said anything about being offended. How are we supposed to know what offends you?

The Blind King of Bohemia
12-29-2004, 23:24
I have to admit i find it hard not to swear on the org just because its my way of speaking in general. I'm fine with swearing as long as no one deliberately calls someone something offensive or derrogatory such as:

BKB you are an F****n C**t, apart from something like this i'm peachy ~D

sharrukin
12-30-2004, 01:19
I have to admit i find it hard not to swear on the org just because its my way of speaking in general. I'm fine with swearing as long as no one deliberately calls someone something offensive or derrogatory such as:

BKB you are an F****n C**t, apart from something like this i'm peachy ~D

BKB that ISN'T what people are saying just because you haven't posted the new BKB Super Mod yet. ~D

The Blind King of Bohemia
12-30-2004, 01:38
Fair enough sharrukin ~D

Efrem
12-30-2004, 03:33
Well we are agreed BKB.


How would the rules get changed...

sharrukin
12-30-2004, 04:45
Fair enough sharrukin ~D

That was meant only as a joke. Not to be taken seriously. If I have caused any offence then I apologize as that was not my intent.

The Blind King of Bohemia
12-30-2004, 12:28
Oh no offence taken. It was very funny actually. But seriously you won't have to wait much longer now.

Byzantine Prince
01-05-2005, 14:41
I only at some people once when I told them to f.... off for a very good reason. The rest of my swears were also censored be ME!! So there is no reason why I should have a 5 warning. Plus I swore not to swear in this website again so can someone take it off please ~:) .

dessa14
01-05-2005, 15:47
hey i think these guys a pretty lenient, i've been on some forums with hardline moderators and even had posts deleted without any information given, just because i said, "Long Live the Revolution Comrade"
that was all i said.
thanks,
dessa

BDC
01-05-2005, 17:46
hey i think these guys a pretty lenient, i've been on some forums with hardline moderators and even had posts deleted without any information given, just because i said, "Long Live the Revolution Comrade"
that was all i said.
thanks,
dessa
Wow. Nazi mods...

Capitalist anyway.

ah_dut
01-05-2005, 18:52
I only at some people once when I told them to f.... off for a very good reason. The rest of my swears were also censored be ME!! So there is no reason why I should have a 5 warning. Plus I swore not to swear in this website again so can someone take it off please ~:) .
Sorry if you find this rude but telling someone to f*** off is quite unneccesary and the mods are very lenient at this site. If someone is getting rude, send a PM to the mods and it'll be dealt with.

Alexander the Pretty Good
01-06-2005, 01:38
The Insane anti swearing campaign.
Please. There is no need to swear in a half-well-thought-out post. And there shouldn't be any posts less thought-out.

:book:

Byzantine Prince
01-06-2005, 01:56
Ok can an admin please drop my warning back to normal. I won't swear again I swear. lol.

Kaiser of Arabia
01-06-2005, 02:08
Suchen Mich Dich, that's german.
It means ... my you'res
Bet you thought it was dirty
lol
got yalls
-Capo

Togakure
01-06-2005, 02:10
Why not challenge yourselves? Swearing tends to be an impulsive and thoughtless reaction. It suggests lack of control--a weakness. It takes far more intelligence and wit to express one's self using acceptable language.

It's always better to accentuate the positive, but if one feels that s/he must be negative, why not stand out from the passe masses and express ire in a manner that distinguishes (perhaps notoriously, but at least you won't appear like just another oh-so-common, foul-mouthed 12-year-old, who swears now because s/he can get away with it without getting spanked).

I appreciate the Org policy. Even in my normal life, I've reduced my impulse to swear as a result of practice here. Impulses suck (though admittedly, I've been a slave to many much of my life). I prefer to choose and act. Lately, I've managed to get even better at cutting like a knife when I feel the need to, without resorting to such infantile communication techniques.

Challenge yourselves. Let's see what you've got.

Byzantine Prince
01-06-2005, 02:16
You are right man. I was pretty angry and that made pretty angry so I told those who pissed me off to f... off.

The other times though were just dirty jokes. I censored them all (except for one) myself. Why is it such a big deal? The were all made up of stars. Yet the admin raised my warn level.

Togakure
01-06-2005, 03:09
I've been censored here too, though it was "behind the scenes." As Gregoshi puts it: I made it onto a "powerful" person's "list," because I had the "nerve" to defend myself aggressively against the highest-ranking staff (which is my nature, unfortunately) over what I perceived to be a passive aggressive verbal attack on my character, made by a close associate of his.

I think the trick is, don't give superficial "rank and status" mechanisms power over you. Ignore them. Some use them as a means of showing appreciation as Gregoshi has mentioned, but others use them as a means of establishing a "good ol' boys" club--the "vets," the "elite," etc..

So what about the warn level? It's a mechanism used by the "powers" that be here to communicate that what you said/did is not considered OK in this environment, that's all. It's not a permanent reflection on you personally. Already since then, you have demonstrated that you have intelligence and character that belies the incident that led to the warning. Relax, enjoy the place, and sooner than later that little eye irritant will disappear. Most important--don't let it make you feel like you are any less than you are. In a "place" like this, what others think can only affect you negatively if you let it. Don't let it. ~:)

Papewaio
01-06-2005, 09:11
IMDHO:

The game may be 15+ but this is a family site and all of us signed on after reading the rules right ~;)

Since it is the internet and you are posting illiteracy is not a valid excuse.

As for ranking etc Senior Member just means one needs viagra and Moderator means you get to shovel and shift through all the elephant dung that is spouted up in a particular forum because your name happens to have green letters attached to the side.

Don't get upset about your rank unless you get the one saying 'SIMS Player' in which case you probably should remove yourself from the gene pool...

This post is not officially endorsed, it is based on my highly biased experience and cynical nature.

PS I had to use word to find how to spell illiteracy... go figure :book:

Duke John
01-06-2005, 09:32
word
Aaargh! That horrible evil program causes 50% of my swearing. It's evil! Evil I tell you!

Ser Clegane
01-06-2005, 10:09
Suchen Mich Dich, that's german.
It means ... my you'res
Bet you thought it was dirty
lol
got yalls
-Capo

Actually it is dirty :furious3:


















errm ... no ... it actually only means "search me you" ... something Tarzan might say to Jane ~D ~:cheers:

I hope you did not learn that in school, Capo - if you did, give your German teacher a spanking in my name for his/her failure :charge:

Papewaio
01-06-2005, 10:29
Maybe his German teacher was asking Capo to search him... watch out Capo your teacher is a Ped!

Adrian II
01-06-2005, 16:01
... watch out Capo your teacher is a Ped!That's probably why Capo takes German.
:hide:

Nelson
01-06-2005, 16:59
Over the top profanity is out of line at any time.

However, the occasional mild expletive such as “USC kicked Oklahoma in the ass” or “Damn, that end boss was tough!” should NOT get edited in a reasonable forum for teens and older.

As for little tikes watching over dad’s shoulder, I say don’t let them if this issue worries you. I would not prefer the org to become like an old Disney film.

I do offer a yardstick for acceptable tolerances. I think that whatever can be heard during a Simpson’s episode should be permitted.

ichi
01-07-2005, 07:41
Over the top profanity is out of line at any time.

However, the occasional mild expletive such as “USC kicked Oklahoma in the ass” or “Damn, that end boss was tough!” should NOT get edited in a reasonable forum for teens and older.

As for little tikes watching over dad’s shoulder, I say don’t let them if this issue worries you. I would not prefer the org to become like an old Disney film.

I do offer a yardstick for acceptable tolerances. I think that whatever can be heard during a Simpson’s episode should be permitted.

Absolutely right on.

There's two types of swearing - the use of colorful language and the use of obscenities.

I never understood why someone would actually type out the words (as in "I never ####ing understood why someone would actually ####ing type out the #######ed words") 'cause that's just silly. And as TO points out, this is just weakness or habit or some attempt to impress or shock.

But I agree with Nelson, sometimes the right word is 'colorful'. This is IMO OK, when the use of a 'bad' word truly expresses one's point.

Still, the nice folks who administer this site have expressed a desire to keep it to a minimum, and anyone who enjoys the Org and appreciates it should try to honor that request.

:::::::::::::::::

Bart's new teacher, Mr. Doyle "So you never learned cursive"

Bart "um, well, I know hell, dam, bit . . ."

Mr Doyle "Cursive handwriting. Script. Do you know the multiplication tables?"

Bart "I know of them"

:::::::::::::::::

ichi :bow:

LittleGrizzly
01-07-2005, 08:49
Whats all this negativety towards swearing, now im happy for this place not to swear but in my day to day to life swearing is an essential. I can't just call someone an idiot if they do something really stupid, they have to be a f'ing idiot. Its a powerful word as are the others and at least for me a great way of expressing annoyance, happyness, sadness or pretty much any emotion

Gregoshi
01-07-2005, 15:42
The catch to the issue of relaxing the profanity rule is "how much is too much?" Wherever you draw the line, there will be people on both sides - some thinking the rules are still too strict and others thinking the profanity is running rampant.

In practice, I believe most of the moderators will let the occassional profanity slip by uncommented or at most the friendly "watch the language" reminder. LG, ichi and Nelson have a good point that sometimes profanity gives the right amount of emphasis to your point when used sparingly - "Wow, LG must be really upset by that..." The problem is, like with many things, when profanity (especially the "f-bomb") is used too often, it loses its impact and becomes a throw away word like "um", "uh" and "ah" when speaking. Sports commentators in the US have a similar problem with the word "great" - they use it so often when describing players that there is little distinction between good players and truly great players. A rose bush in the desert is a remarkable thing. A rose bush in a field of rose bushes is just more thorns. ~:)

This ends the reading from the Book of Gregoshi... ~;)

Byzantine Prince
01-07-2005, 15:52
If loss of inpact was the true issue here then I wouldn't have a level 5 warning. When i said f off it was for a very very good reason. I swore i would never say it again too.

Gregoshi
01-07-2005, 16:29
My comment on loss of impact is not the true issue here. It was merely my observation on the appropriateness of profanity and LG's comment that swearing was "essential" to his life.

BP, as I recall, your use of profanity was not for a very good reason. It was rude, abusive and directed at other forum patrons. You only needed to reiterate that you wanted comments only from those who saw the movie. There was no need for profanity.
Regarding your vow not to swear again, from what I've seen, you've done well. Keep it up. :thumbsup:

Powell
01-07-2005, 18:26
I don't really see why any swear words are considered offensive to be honest. Some are extrememly crude I guess. Anyway even though I don't see why people find swearing offensive (it's really just a way of adding "!!!!!!"s to what you say) I try not to swear because I know some people will find it offensive. Also depends on what company I'm in. Good point about it losing value

Redleg
01-07-2005, 19:59
If loss of inpact was the true issue here then I wouldn't have a level 5 warning. When i said f off it was for a very very good reason. I swore i would never say it again too.

In your opinion is was for a very good reason - but in the moderators it was not. Protest the action - just like I have done concerning a warning I have recieved - and have fun in doing your protest, to the point of making the moderators angry at you if that is the direction you wish to pursue - but the rules of the forum clearly state not to use foul language.


Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Just because you believe you did it for good reason - does not make your action the right thing to do - I violate the rules often - sometimes because someone has raised my ill, sometimes to prove a point, and sometimes in the heat of the discussion. However I normally do this without generating into the foul language mode of operations. Communication is a skill - the use of swear words should be limited to when they are need and most apporiate. And when you use them - be responsible enough to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Yes I know this sounds hypocritical especially coming from me - but normally I don't protest moderators sanctioning me for my violations - unless they are pursueing what I believe is un-equal treatment in their moderation.

Having seen the context of when you used the f bomb - you were indeed out of line especially when you were being cautioned not to do such behavior in the forum.

Trust me on this one - having suffered both the fair application of moderator sanctions - and some of what I feel is unfair application - once you show the moderators that you have reformed (however temporary it might be) in your posting habits - they will remove the warning.

A civil discussion about the ban in this particlur area often goes a long way into helping the sanction be lifted.

ichi
01-08-2005, 04:31
Well said Redleg it's exactly what I was thinking.

. . . and no, I do not think you are hypocritical in the least.

More like words of experience.

This may seem harsh, but if I wanted a site where everyone could cuss up a storm I'd launch my own website (www.ichisaysitsoktocusshere.net (http://www.totalwars.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=8)) but, as I said above, the nice folks who adminster this site feel it is inappropriate and I think we should all respect that.

ichi :bow: