Units

[cegorach]

This thread is to discuss/propose units for the mod.
The second post in the thread includes the latest version of the unit roster. It will be edited if necessary.


Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)

[cegorach]

So here is the unit list - it is from P&M TW for the MTW, so more units can be added as well.

The names are in national languages, some units will be also available as mercenaries, regional troops or for several factions.
Units unique for one faction only are marked with #




FOR MANY FACTIONS or all of them ( cultures)
Artillery:
Organ Gun,
Mortar,
Demi-Culverin,
Culverin Crew,
Mercenary Cannon,
Serpentine,
Siege Cannon,

Infantry:
Archers,
Urban Militia,
Town Militia,
Pavisiers,
Pavise Arbalesters,
Arquebusiers,

Muslim Feudal Levy - only Muslim factions ( except Tatars), a typical 'cannon fodder',

Wagon Infantry - hard to create, maybe a form of field fortifications.

Cavalry:
General - different for different cultures,
Lancers - basic heavy cavalry from late Medieval,
Demi-Lancers - for western factions,
Mounted Crossbowmen,
Eastern Lancers - lighter than western lancers,
Mounted Arquebusiers,

ADVANCED:
Line Infantry,
Grenadiers,
Regimental Cannons,

DISMOUNTED CAVALRY - if possible
Nobles - several eastern european cavalry units,

Dismounted armoured cavalry - eastern european and ottoman heavier cavalry,

Knights - or rather sword & buckler - several western european cavalry units shpuld dismount into them, also available as an infantry unit for some factions ( e.g. the Knights);

Dismounted Cavalry - modern, western cavalry units will dismount into this;

REBELS
Fanatics,
Rebel Marksmen - experts at hiding,
Peasants,
Peasant Guerillas - expert at hiding,

REGIONAL
Czeremisi - VOLHYNIA AND VOLGA-BULGARIA
Uskok - DALMATIA
Musketyri - BOHEMIA
Wallon Pikemen
Wallon Corselets - 'corselets' so heavy, armoured pikemen,
Wallon Musketeers


MERCENARIES - many more units will be available as mercenaries e.g. Cossacks, Scots, Swiss etc. But here are the units which will be available as mercenaries ONLY,

Infantry------>
Lancknecht Pikemen,
Lancknecht Halbardiers,
Lancknecht Armoured Pikemen,
Doppelsoldner,
Lancknecht Arquebusiers,
Mercenary Musketeers,
Mercenary Pikemen,
Italian Arquebusiers - IN ITALY
Italian Corselets
Italian Pikemen

Cavalry---->
Free Lancers,
Mercenary Dragoons,
Reiter - IN GERMANY
Mercenary Cuirassiers
Albanian Stradiots - IN ITALY


THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE

Infantry------->

'cannon fodder'
Sekbans#
Azebs#
Tüfekchi # - musket armed, so better;

brigands & pirates
Martolos - greek bandits,
Levends #
Panduks - marksmen,
Ta'ifat Al Ru'sa - algerian pirates,

Jannissaries
Zirhli Nefer# - heavayinfantry, polearms;
Okchu Yenicheri#
Tüfekchi Yenicheri#

Cavalry----->

border cavalry, also Ghazi
Akinji#
Deli#

feudal cavalry
Timarli Sipahi#
Jebelü #

elite cavalry
Kirmizi Bayrak # - majority
Ashaghi Bölüks # - guardians of the Prophet's Banner
Sari Bayrak# - Sultan bodyguards,

balcan auxiliary, heavier cavalry, probably there is a better name for them I'll check
Voynuk


GEORGIA - #ALL

Infantry---->
Aragvlebi
Mtiulebi
Kveiti Meomrebi
Metopheni

Cavalry------>
Elite Mkhedrebi
Shubosani Mkhedrebi


RUSSIA - #- ALL

Infantry---->

musket/arquebus armed
Pishchalshchiki
Streltsy
Soldaty
Vybranniye Soldaty

pikemen
Streletskiye Kopeyshchiki
Kopeyshchiki
Vybranniye Kopeyshchiki

others
Dismounted Ryndy
Opolcheniye

Cavalry----->

feudal cavalry
Pomestnaya Konnitsa
Znat
Ryndy

reformed
Reytary
Draguny

russian copies of Polish cavalry types
Gusary
Stremenniye Kopeyshchiki

others
Stremenniye Streltsy
Sluzhiliye Kazaki
Tatarskaya Konnitsa


MOLDAVIA

infantry--->
Razesi
Calarisi#

cavalry-->
Oastea Mare Cavalry
Wallachian Cavalry
Wallachian Horse Archers
Oastea Mica Viteji
Oastea Mica Boyars

POLAND - #-ALL EXCEPT "Lisowczycy" who are mercenaries,

Cavalry---->

professional
Petyhorcy,
Pancerni,
Husaria - Winged Hussars
Kozacy- armoured, ancestors of Pancerni;
Strzelcy,
Dragoni,
Rajtarzy,
Tatarzy - Polish/Lithuanian Tatars,
Wolosi,

noble levy
Szlachta
Kresowa Szlachta

mercenaries, for Poland 'normal' unit
Lisowczycy


Infantry------>
Piechota wybraniecka

reformed
Piechota lanowa
Muszkieterzy
Pikinierzy

COSSACKS

Infantry---------->

Ukrainian Peasants - 'cannon fodder', numerous and cheap;#

Molodyki - young Cossacks, light pikes, 'cannon fodder';#

Zaporozhye - 'core' infantry, good musketeers;

Serdjuks - elite musketeers;#

Plastuny - Cossack foot scouts, hide everywhere, marksmen;#

Harakterniki - cossack legendary warriors, hide everywhere, hard to get;#

Cavalry-------->

Storozha - Cossack horse scouts, hide in long grass;#

Reyestrovie - basic cavalry, average quality;

Dzhura - cossack bodyguards, god quality cavalry;#

SWEDEN - #ALL

Infantry------->

early
Svennar
Dalkarlar
Kungliga Majestäts Drabanter

reformed
Musketerare
Pikenerare
Svenska kommanderade musketörer
Kungliga Maj:ts garde och livregemente

Cavalry------>
early
Landsryttare
Svarta Ryttarna

reformed
Upplands ryttare
Dragoner
Smalands ryttare
Hakkapeliitta - Finnish cavalry

PORTUGAL - #ALL
Piqueiro Ligeiro
Marinheiro Portugues - Portuguese sailors

arquebusiers on camels !
Arcabuzeiros de Goa

FRANCE #-ALL

Infantry ---->

early
Royal Swiss Pikemen
French Royal Foot Arquebusiers
French Royal Foot Pikemen

Enfants Perdus - French Forlorn Hope

reformed ( Richelieu)
French Musketeers
French Pikemen"}
Mousquetaires du Roi

Cavalry---->

early
Gendarmes de la Garde
Argoulets

reformed
French Light Cavalry
French Heavy Cavalry
Mousquetaires du Roi - elite, dismountable



THE NETHERLANDS

Infantry--->
Watergeuzen#

pikemen
Piekeniers met rondas #
Pikeniere#

musketeers
Musketiere#

Cavalry---->
Ghemeijn ruyteren#
Gheappoicteerde curassiers#

HAPSBURG - AUSTRIA, HRE

Infantry---->
Musketiers
Piekeniers
Verlorne Haufe - Forlorn Hope !
Rondartschiere#
Fortified Musketeers#

Cavalry ------>
Croats
Croat Grenzers
Empire Cuirassiers#
ImperialDragoons

LIVONIAN CONFEDERACY ( OR TEUTONIC ORDER)
Courland Reiters

CRIMEAN KHANATE ( Tatars)
Kirim Suvari# - elite
Izci Tatarlar - scouts, hide in long grass !!
Kipchak Asker#
Atli Tatarlar
Nogay Asker#
Tatars with arkans# - slave hunters

Infantry
Keffe Bekci# - crimean Jannissaries

SPAIN #-ALL

Infantry----->
Rodeleros
Guardia Tudesca
Alguaciles - Spanish town guards

projectiles
Arcabuceros
Ballesteros - albalesters
Forrajeros
Mosqueteros
Mosqueteros - REFORMED

pikes
Corseletes
Picas Secas
Piqueros
Piqueros - reformed unit

special
Encamisados - hide everywhere,

Guardia Real - elite

Cavalry---->
Archeros
Celadas
Celadas - later period
Dragones
Herreruelo
Nueva Guardia


DANEMARK
Infantry ----->
Snapphanar# ambush experts

Cavalry ---->
Musefanen#
Rostjenste#
Nationale Ryttere#


SWITZERLAND
Swiss Pikemen
Swiss Armoured Pikemen#
Swiss Halberdiers

THE KNIGHTS
infantry
Order Militia#

VENICE, GENOA
infantry
Scapoli - marines,

FLORENCE
cavalry
Bande Nere# - the Black Band


HOUGENOTS

cavalry
Millers#

HUNGARY - will be revised thanks to the help of Speiz_Bankurt
Infantry---->
Haiduks
Harami

Cavalry---->
Szekely Hussars#
Hungarian Hussars#
Rac


SCOTLAND
Highland Clansmen#
Scottish Archers
Scottish Pikemen
Scottish Musketeers
Montrose's Musketeers# - veteran unit able to beat enemy cavalry in melee;

IRELAND

Infantry------>

Omacach - elite melee infantry;

Enniskillen Fusiliers - elite musketeers, 'bulletproof vests';

Oaghancocharan - elite marksmen and ambush fighters;

Kernbannal - basic rebels, javelins;

Galloglaidh - axe wielders, elite melee unit;

Cavalry------>

Hobilars - good quality lancers with javelins;

Taghhoba - good quality mounted arquabusiers;


EGYPT - some units also for the Ottomans,

Infantry------->
Mamluk Handgunners#,
Ashirs - syrian militia,

Cavalry------>
Mamluk Horse Archers#
Saharan Cavalry
Mamluk Cavalry

Camels
Bedouin Camel Guns#
Bedouin Camel Warriors

ENGLAND

Infantry------>
Longbowmen#
Sprinkler Men#
Billmen#
Trained Band Billmen#
Trained Band Musketeers#
Trained Band Pikemen#

cavalry--->
Border Reivers

New Model Army-->
Ironsides#
New Model Army Musketeers#
New Model Army Pikemen#


Saxony LifeGuards#

BAVARIA
Bavarian Black Cuirassiers - Pappenheimer's cavalry

BRANDENBURG

HANSA

Hansa Town Militia

NAVARRAE



I will edit this post if something serious will be changed.

ALL these units are already available in the MTW edition of this mod - check the thread in the Engineers Guild and my sign for downloads.
The units appear in 0.7 beta pre-release for MTW.

ALL these units are known in details ( mostly), which allows recreating them in the RTW engine mod.

Persian and African ubits will be added later. ~D

Regards Cegorach/Hetman :bow:

[Yggdrasill]

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Congrats on finally getting your own subforum it really seemed strange that you had to work with only one thread. Anyway I'll check the site more often now since it a lot easier to navigate it now....

Anyway, I have an offer for you, and I hope you'll give it some thought. As you probably know, CTW is progressing, albeit slowly, and we started modeling units now, having made several by now. Hopefully, the pace will pick up. Only one of our 3d modellers has been active thus far, we hope the others do something soon.
So our problem is quite obvious - modelling 200+ units we need for our mod. And unless you have more than 2 active 3d artists, we share this problem with you. So would you consider sharing some unit models that are going to be in both our mods? The reverse would apply of course, of course...
I've only skimmed through your unit list, but there are definetely some units that we share, for example, Zirhli Nefer, Tufekci Nefer, Winged Hussar, many 16th century units, Landesknechts....
Well what do you think? GodsPetMonkey made several models already and I have to say I+m happy with the results (and I'm quite peculiar in that respect). In fact, he said he will be working on the Ottoman now, and one of the pictures I sent him was of a Zirhli Nefer... So if you're interesed, drop me a PM or post at our forum

:help:

[Eastside Character]

Who is actually working on the units?
And I don't mean the models only, but also the export file? I mean somebody should start modding export file, using old unit models for the time being.
RTW and MTW unit stats don't match so they have to be reworked. I personally think we should make some units have more health points, like gladiators.

Regards
EC

[Yggdrasill]

We are not working on unit stats just yet. In any case, that seems pretty simple with available unit editors, plus, we want to finish unit selection before starting on the unit scripting. That way it will be easier to balance various units, so we don't get strange results wich might happen if we start doing it too early. Besides, unit graphics is the real problem here, about 90% of the work with units is just making the models.

GodsPetMonkey is working on the 3d models. I guess I'll be doing a lot of unit scripting, as well as other members (Uesugi, Celtic, Saranalos..). So you, scripting is not really a problem.

[Yggdrasill]

double post

[SwordsMaster]

Archeros:

This Bodyguard enters service on the 29th of January of 1496, as the Prince and princess of Spain were travelling to Toledo.

There were 118 men and one capitain on active duty at any point in time up to 1931 (?). After 1700 they were called Wallon Guard.

Gear: Mounted-palace duty: Cuirass (front and back), helmet (morrion), mail sleeves, 2 pistols, lance, neckpiece.

Mounted-war: same as above plus gauntlets and full armour for their arms, plus a burgundian helmet (covered face).

Foot-palace: as in the previous palace except substitute the lance for a sort of Halberd. (It didnt have an axe head but a wide blade, quite unnerving) called the Archa.

Foot war: same as war above, but with the Archa.

They had superb morale as it was requested from them to be brave to join the guard if they were noblemen, or have served 6 years at war if they didnt belong to the old families. Their age was regulated between 25-35 after which they retired receiving 6 villages as retirement maintainance.

[cegorach]

Additional units which do appear in the PMTW 1 for the MTW:

Cavaliers ( faction in late only)

Cavalier Horsemen

and infantry called Blue Coats


Livonian Confederacy ( early only)

Knechtsspissen - peasant pikemen militia - pretty good unit, but unique

Persia ( high only)

Persian Ghulums (bodyguards)

Persian Light Cavalry

Paighan Spearmen

Paighan Archers

Paighan Arquebusiers

that's all I believe, at lest for the 1st edition, which is ready from 2nd half of February ~D

[The Stranger]

this is for RTW right

[Narayanese]

Could I have pictures of how archeros and gallowglass looked, SwordMaster or someone? Are you sure about the morion, the miniature linked to in the screenshot thread wears a burgonet I think.
Also any picture of a 16th/17th century spear/lance/pike would be nice if you could show me, anything excavated or museum piece or other old, so that I can correct the spearhead shown in this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=44093) thread, all I can find myself is drawings and painting of spears with too little detail.
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Narayanese


"Coelitus Sublima Dantur" From heaven is given the high one
- Sigismvndvs dei gratia svecorvm gotorvm wandalorvmq & poloniae rex, 1594

[Eastside Character]

Archero De La Cuchilla (http://www.lilliputmodel.com/articulos/josema_cazallas/archero_cuchilla/archero_cuchilla.htm) - everything you need about Archeros

Well, about Gallowglasses now:
- History of Gallowglasses / some pics (http://www.cisl.ie/mars/rory/gallowglass.htm)
- and a sword armed Gallowglass here;
http://www.doyle.com.au/images/galowglass.jpg
- both axeman and swordsman, and a dwarf kern ~;)
http://www.clanmackayusa.org/MackayHistory/bmk09.jpg

I'm wondering, they used swords or axes, so what will they use in mod? :book: Prehaps it could be that regular soldiers would use axes and only the captains swords, or the other way round?

Regards
EC

[Ranika]

Axes were by far more common than swords for Gallowglass. The swords were actually just adopted from the Irish (the lewing swords), but Gallowglass worked for a lot of people. Their indigenous weapon (from the Hebrides) was an axe. Captains with swords seems a fair compromise though, as swords were also more expensive than their axes, so the captain of a Galloglaidh troop would be most likely to own one. Also, many 'gallowglass' in different artwork are actually Irish lewnaght, greatswordsmen, who were often grouped with the gallowglaidh units.

[SwordsMaster]

Are you sure about the morion, the miniature linked to in the screenshot thread wears a burgonet I think.

Yep, sorry my bad, I was thinking Corseletes for some reason. :bow:

[cegorach]

I can add up to 10 units in late - don't worry they would appear in a planned patch, not now ( I don't need more delays).

My proposals:

German Guard Pikemen;

German Guard Musketeers;

Imperial Jaeger - HRE marksmen from Austria or another single province,

Pikemen with 'Swine's Feathers' - didn't decide who would get them, possibly linked to an unique building ?

Artillery Train - wagons for multiplayer only. You know 'you'll win if you destroy my supplies etc';

Artillery escort - flintlock armed, but small numbers and hard to build, added to artillery roster, to make them a kind of escort for the artillery.

If you have something to propose for late only - do it.

In addition I will add :

Berber Crossbowmen and Cimaroons as additional african units in earlier eras if possible.

Regards Cegorach ~;)

[Dux Corvanus]

Just some name conventions for Spanish units. Being a Spaniard myself, I must state that:

1) The correct ortography for bowmen in Spanish is not archeros. It's arqueros. 'Archeros' seems to be a corruption from French or English sources, and looks very very weird for a Spaniard. ~:confused:

2) On the other side, Spanish bowmen should be really scarce, it was a very uncommon weapon in Spanish panoply even since XV centry.

3) Spanish infantry units formed regiments that were called Tercios during late 16th and 17th centuries. Although it must be considered as a name convention -like RTW Roman legion, since Tercios used also a mix of different weapons (pikes and muskets)- I recommend you to use it when naming Spanish infatry units (for example: Tercio de Piqueros).

Good luck!

-Dux Corvanus-
-Europa Barbarorum member-

[cegorach]

1) The correct ortography for bowmen in Spanish is not archeros. It's arqueros. 'Archeros' seems to be a corruption from French or English sources, and looks very very weird for a Spaniard. ~:confused:

Thank you for your imput, but these Archeros are Spanish elite cavalry, NOT archers, so don't worry about it ~:cheers: ~:cool:

[Dux Corvanus]

1) The correct ortography for bowmen in Spanish is not archeros. It's arqueros. 'Archeros' seems to be a corruption from French or English sources, and looks very very weird for a Spaniard. ~:confused:

Thank you for your imput, but these Archeros are Spanish elite cavalry, NOT archers, so don't worry about it ~:cheers: ~:cool:

Oh right. Excuse my ignorance. :embarassed: ~:)

Anyway, you should consider my advice about the term tercios.

[SwordsMaster]

Oh right. Excuse my ignorance. :embarassed: ~:)

Anyway, you should consider my advice about the term tercios.


Not really mate. Tercio is a term that describes a force of some 3-5000 men composed of different regiments with different weapons and even cavalry and artillery. Besides Tercios were usually named either after the regions where they were recruited in, or the names of the Maestre de Campo (Colonel).Lo siento. ~;)