Historical battles

[cegorach]

Here you can propose which historical battles should appear in the mod.
Priority goes to the ones prepared for the MTW edition of the mod.

Regards Cegorach/Hetman :balloon2:

[Ignoramus]

Here you can propose which historical battles should appear in the mod.
Priority goes to the ones prepared for the MTW edition of the mod.

Regards Cegorach/Hetman :balloon2:


Agincourt-1415 English-French
Siege of Constantinople-1453 Byzantine-Ottoman
Nancy-1467 Burgundian-Swiss


May be some more.
Cheers!

[Eastside Character]

P&M timeframe starts 1480...

[SwordsMaster]

Maybe a spanish "historical campaign" kinda thing:

Pavia
Nordlingen
Rocroi

The 3 battles that pretty much defined the fate of the spanish empire.
Pavia signified the empire's rising.
Nordlingen, its last push
Rocroi, its decline.

[Eastside Character]

Some ideas:

Ochakov 1497 - Poland vs. Tatars
Orsha 1514 - Poland vs. Russia
Mohacz 1526 - Hungary vs. Turkey
Obertyn 1531 - Poland vs. Wallachia (Turkish vasal state)
Starodub 1535 - Poland vs. Russia
Danzig 1577 - Poland vs. Danzig (any german faction will do)
Wielkie Luki 1580 - Poland vs. Russia
Pskov 1581 - Poland vs. Russia
Byczyna 1588 - Poland vs. HRE
Revel 1602 - Poland vs. Sweden
Kirkholm 1605 - Poland vs. Sweden
Klushyn 1610 - Poland vs. Russia
Moscow 1610 - Poland vs. Russia
Cecora 1620 - Poland vs. Turkey
Chocim 1621 - Poland vs. Turkey
Smolensk 1634 - Poland vs. Russia
Ochmatov 1644 - Poland vs. Tatars
Zolte Wody 1648 - Poland vs. Zaporozhyan Cossacks
Korsun 1648 - Poland vs. Zaporozhyan Cossacks
Beresteczko 1651 - Poland vs. Zaporozhyan Cossacks
Czestochowa 1655 - Poland vs. Sweden
Podhajce 1667 - Poland vs.
Kamieniec Podolski 1672 - Poland vs. Turkey
Chocim 1673 - Poland vs. Turkey
Vienna 1683 - Poland + HRE vs. Turkey

I know its probably way too many, but its sth to choose from.

Regards
EC

[cegorach]

Here is the list of historical battles which will for sure appear in the RTW edition ( they are in the MTW pre-releases and the currently tested full release).

Obertyn 1531 - Poland vs. Moldavia
Kirkholm 1605 - Poland vs. Sweden

Klushino 1610 - Poland vs. Russia

Moscow 1612 - Poland vs. Russia

Ceanniasc 1632 - Irish vs. english mercenaries


+ probably appear

Karachev 1615

Rzev 1615 } all - Poland vs. Russia

Moscow 1618


We need really DETAILED info to prepare a battle.


Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)

[SwordsMaster]

No Rocroi then..... Come on....

[Eastside Character]

No Rocroi then..... Come on....
Why?

[SwordsMaster]

Why?


? what do you mean?

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

Breitenfeld 1632 Sweden + Saxony vs The Imperial Army.
Warzaw 1656 Sweden vs Poland

[Ironside]

Some Swedish battles in the 30-year war.

Breitenfeld 1631
Lützen 1632
Nordingen 1634
Wittstock 1636
Jankov 1645

There's several others but I think these are some of the most important.

And we need to balance Kirkholm with a Swedish victory battle ~;) , what about Gniezno?

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

Exactly my opinion ~:)

[cegorach]

Breitenfeld 1632 Sweden + Saxony vs The Imperial Army.
Warzaw 1656 Sweden vs Poland

I was planning Warsaw 1656, but need more info about swedish forces. I will make it playable from swedish point of view. ~;)

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

Nice... I'll try to dig up some info about the swedish forces.

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

There are some pictures in this thread showing the swedish order of battle. (I don't know which day they show, i guess your battle will cover the 2nd day)

http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?t=18324

[cegorach]

I have it from polish sources.

I need:
1. which units of dragons were mounted and which dismounted,
2. which units were native Swedish/Finnish - from infantry,
3. which units can be considered as elite ones/vetrans,
4. where was finnish cavalry ( Hakkapeliita),
5. firstnames of these commanders,
6. were Radiwill dragoons Poles/Lithuanians or western mercenaries,
7. exact number of troopers in each unit - if possible - when I re-created Klushino I had almost excellent sources which resulted in extremely realistic polish order of battle ( 1 soldier in mod = 5 in reality - except cannon crew).

This would be enough.

Regards Cegorach

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

I'll try to find out the facts you need. One question though; which commanders do you need to know the first names of?

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

Radziwill's dragoons were either poles/lithuanians who fought using western tactics or western mercenaries. So they should be represented by a western european kind of unit.

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

The exact number of troops in each unit is unfortunately unknown. Together the armies of brandenburg and sweden numbered about 18 000 men.

You can see which units were from finland on the picture in the tread I posted a link to. They were positioned out on the left flank. (Finowie Berendsa= fins under command of Berend and Dragonia Finowie= dragoons from finland)

One note: this version of the order of battle (see link) comes from brandenburg. According to the swedish version the swedish infantry were grouped together with the germans in the centre.

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

More info:

Swedish forces: about 9500 men.
7500 cavalry and dragoons organized in 37 or 38 squadrons.
2000 infantry from 6 brigades, merged into 3 because of their small size (from the regiments of Uppland, Södermanland, Hälsinge, Kalmar, Skaraborg and Västgöta-Dals)
20 artillery pieces.

Brandenburg's forces: about 8500 men.
5000 cavalry inkluding some 1200-1500 dragoons organized in 23 or 24 squadrons.
3500 infantry in 9 brigades (possibly merged into 5).
30 artillery pieces and 5 howitzers.

[Lord Havelock Vetinari]

If you want to do the battle of Gorzno 1629 instead I can get much more info about that battle

PS How do you edit posts in this forum?

[SwordsMaster]

If you want to do the battle of Gorzno 1629 instead I can get much more info about that battle

PS How do you edit posts in this forum?


There is an "edit" button in the bottom right corner of your posts.

[cegorach]

[QUOTE=Lord Havelock Vetinari]If you want to do the battle of Gorzno 1629 instead I can get much more info about that battle

The more data the better ~;)

@Swordmaster

Don't worry about Rocroi - I will make the battle eventually, but the ones present in the MTW edition have the priority. ~;)