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SenkiRatta Yamamoto
07-27-2001, 00:08
Clan Meeting. So guys this is our first meeting. Lets get down to business. Oh by the way, this is my new name. I changed to my clan name http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Shiro
07-27-2001, 01:07
Whoops, wrong clan meeting. LOL!

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Maltz
07-27-2001, 01:57
Hm... just in case I am correct, SenkiRatta are you NARF, our daimyo? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Dongal
07-27-2001, 02:08
Aye, Aye, Cap'n!

Hm, do you think it is a coincidence that campaign begins with "camp"...
I kill me.

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]I)ongal

vangersonm
07-27-2001, 02:17
yeah our first clan meeting

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If he is taking his ease, give him no rest.
If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where
you are not expected.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 02:30
OHOHOHOH! So our clan daimyo has been sit in the throne room himself for some good hours! He has secretly put on a new name flag on his back, trimmed his beard, and wearing an ashigaru uniform as disguise!

Now the samurai of Shimazu has realized their mistake and rushed into the throne room (and the door was opened by Shiro). They feel ashamed of not recognizing their daimyo for such a long time! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif Please don't deduct our salary!

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So... the meeting objective is to decide the game settings and features. The things to be decided are: game difficulty, game settings (fog, ammo, camera), unit size, port attack, save-load games, etc.

So how about me making a start here. I'd say:

Game Difficulty: Hard. To play expert we might need to concentrate the military power on one or two really good generals throughout the game, which is not very suitable here. Normal is not really challenging, so I think Hard is more appropriate.

Game Settings: All Realistic. I guess for the sake of role-playing, we can try to make things more resemble to the real world.

Unit Size: 60. We will need more units to be assigned to generals played by members.

Port Attack: No Opinion at all.

Save-Loads: Allowed but not recommended. We will have difficulty to prevent save-loads as a member might want to refight a battle. However, we will encourage members to stay honorable and refrain from save loads. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif The story will be more interesting this way, too.


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NARF
07-27-2001, 02:41
for the sake of the clan, Im gonna use narf.
My Votes
No Save loads
Explain Port attack
Possibly no resticted camera (allows for more strategy)
unit size 60.

Dongal
07-27-2001, 02:46
My votes are:
no port attacks (we don't need it)
we can say no save loads, but no way to enforce it...
60 man units, cause some of us use dinosaurs to play on
fog, etc, on limited ammo
I would definitely vote for unlimited camera, because you could get more different screen shots that way (like a view of the enemy as they set up) although I am not married to the idea

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]I)ongal

Maltz
07-27-2001, 02:59
Oh and we have to decide when the campaign will start. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif What time would the daimyo say?

EuroSan
07-27-2001, 03:05
Come on........120 is so much more fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
(More to kill http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif)

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May the honour be with you all..........EuroSan the reborned spirit of LinkSan

NARF
07-27-2001, 03:07
Hehehe sorry euro san.
Well I cant start the campaign. Thats gonna be the choice of everyone else.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 03:15
how about each of us also suggest a day of campaign starting? then the daimyo can decide based on everyone's opinion.

I think we can start over the weekend. How about GMT Saturday July 28 0:00 AM? (that is about 27 hours from now)

The time will be the first in-game clan meeting deciding the direction for year 1530 (or whatever decided by the daimyo). Everyone can check the starting status on his own copy of STW, so there is no need for the executor to distribute the save game file. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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07-27-2001, 03:26
Save loads- ok...but not enforced...

UnRestrict camera

unit size 60.

Port attack? A bell doesn't ring. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Honour to Clan No Fear.

Visit my resource centre here! (http://terazawa.totalwar.org)
Evil is within us... http://terazawa.totalwar.org/emo.gif

vangersonm
07-27-2001, 03:30
I don't think my say really matters but........unlimited ammo is not good............sure its fun but not as logistic nor strategic

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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.
Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

NARF
07-27-2001, 03:31
What is port attack?

Maltz
07-27-2001, 03:36
Honorable daimyo,

Port attack refers to the controversial "port-bug" constantly discussed by samurai. A port attack is to invade a non-adjacent (usually very distant) province using army solely via the port. Some say it is a bug because the AI does not utilize this feature (but the AI do send distant reinforcement via ports to a province adjacent to their territory).

Some people argue that port attack can successfully disturb the horde from behind, while I find it makes quite little difference in terms of the overall speed of unification. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Anybody has suggestion on the game difficulty?

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vangersonm
07-27-2001, 03:39
There aren't any Naval Ships that you can build are there?

It would be awsome if the Expansion pack had at least some form of naval comabt.......but not to much

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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

NARF
07-27-2001, 03:43
well I wanna make it last longer, so no port attack for me

Dongal
07-27-2001, 03:50
As far as start times go...
I cannot be there anytime Saturday, or Friday evening for that matter, as I will be on my way to Lincoln, Nebraska to hit people with sticks. Since I am not one of the beginning generals, that should not really be a problem. I feel that it would be unwise of this poor samurai to question the wisdom of the mighty and powerful Daimyo, whatever course he chooses for his servants. They're all the enemy, anyway, right? Crush Them.
I will be checking in until about 10:00 GMT tomorrow (if I did my math right!) and will be back some time Sunday (probably around 10 or 11 GMT)

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]I)ongal

NARF
07-27-2001, 03:51
Hey dongal, I live in omaha! Have fun in our "capital city" even though we should be because were more populated and larger.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 03:58
Quote Originally posted by EuroSan:
Come on........120 is so much more fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
(More to kill http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif)
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Indeed, honorable EuroSan, Heir of Shimazu. I just recalled one battle from the Hojo war series. I've never seen 370+ kill by a yari samurai unit. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/maltz/06_Hojo/39_023.jpg

Maltz
07-27-2001, 04:10
Quote Originally posted by vangersonm:
yeah our first clan meeting
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Hi Vangersonm:

You can still join the campaign if you want. The sign up does not have a deadline or anything. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif There are still vacancies for the famous generals, and you can also choose to become a new general. It will be also fine if you just want to audit our clan meeting. But you must pass the spy detector set up by our mighty gatekeeper Shiro http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Dongal
07-27-2001, 04:13
Senki-Narf-Daimyo, Taka is riding up with us. You should drop by and see us.

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]I)ongal

vangersonm
07-27-2001, 04:29
How do i do that?

I would like to be a general...I'll pass any test......militarilly.....as well as a physically

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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

NARF
07-27-2001, 04:33
Wish I could dongal, but Im only 14, I cant drive yet.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 04:54
Quote Originally posted by vangersonm:
How do i do that?

I would like to be a general...I'll pass any test......militarilly.....as well as a physically

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Hi vangersonm: You need to pass the following test:

1. Vision. Must be able to tell a YS from YA from a distance of 1/4 of the battlefield length.

2. Hearing. Must be able to distiguish the march sound of a Yari Cavalry from a Cavalry archer.

3. Memomry. Must be able to rehearse the phrase "My Lord! Your land holder has reported that, your peasants were lazy!..." with no error.

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Oh no! I was just kidding. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
No test is needed. Simply sign up on the thread http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000226.html
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Maltz
07-27-2001, 04:57
Quote Originally posted by NARF:
Wish I could dongal, but Im only 14, I cant drive yet.[/QUOTE]

Oh! here comes our young daimyo! If my memory serves, Shimazu Takahisa is only 16 at year 1530, too. So it is quite a good role play here. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

vangersonm
07-27-2001, 05:27
thnk you

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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

NARF
07-27-2001, 07:09
I bet your all thinking young and stupid and ignorant. WELL YOUR HALF RIGHT!!!! haha, well guys I just got 128 mb of ram. Its gonna run like a dream now.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 07:21
No one is going to challenge the competence of our honorable, almighty daimyo! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

NARF
07-27-2001, 09:29
......I do not think this will work. My speakers are on and the light is showing and yetno sound is coming out. All my settings are displayed as on and nothing is muted. I guess Im screwed.

Maltz
07-27-2001, 09:36
Quote Originally posted by NARF:
......I do not think this will work. My speakers are on and the light is showing and yetno sound is coming out. All my settings are displayed as on and nothing is muted. I guess Im screwed.[/QUOTE]

Great Daimyo: personally I think you can address this to the Tech Support forum.

But I happened to have read that thread a couple of days ago. Is it some more dust accumulating over these days? Or you might want to try K's suggestions.

NARF
07-27-2001, 10:17
Wouldnt ya know, I fixed it....lol

Shuko
07-27-2001, 11:08
Quote Originally posted by NARF:
Wouldnt ya know, I fixed it....lol[/QUOTE]


Daimyo Shimazu

After building up our strength we are ready to take our place in the sun and become the ruling clan of all Japan.

We need to agree or alter the following points :

1. Launch our full campaign at GMT Saturday 28th July at 0.00 am in the year 1530.

2. Start at the "hard" level setting so our newer samurai can get some valuable battle experience.

3. Have our units size at 60 men strength.

4. Have smoke, dust/ambient flora turned off.

5. Have ambient fauna turned off.

6. Have the maximun number of men on the battlefield set to default.

7. All realism settings (Morale,Fatigue,Limited Ammo and RRestricted Camera) to the "ON" position.

8. We are honourable and do not need to sneak into enemy ports like some of our enemies.

9. We cannot alter the past and our honour prevents us from using save-loads in our campaign, be brave and simply do your best in battle.

We need to perform our duties in a timely manner, please perform you duties quickly at all times. In case of misfortune just tell us so we all know the situation. Please advise the clan now if you are against any of 1 - 9 above and point out anything I may have overlooked in my haste to proceed to battle. You must respond to this immediately and cast your vote within 24 hours if you want things changed in this democratic clan.

Finally, please examine our starting position and think about suggesting a plan of local (and an overall plan if you want) conquest for the next few years. This can be done at our first campaign meeting. Any thinkers or economists can also suggest the best way for us to build up our economic strength and what units to train.

vangersonm
07-27-2001, 11:28
what time are we going to start on Saturday I'm on Pacific Time............I think...........Right now it is 9:15 PM over here in Sacramento, CA

Its a difference of 8 hours


If we start at 0.00 am on GMT time would that be ~5.00PM over here in Ca ?


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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

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Maltz
07-27-2001, 13:44
Originally posted by Shuko:

We need to agree or alter the following points :

4. Have smoke, dust/ambient flora turned off.
5. Have ambient fauna turned off.


I would like to suggest to leave them all on by default, making the screen shots more realistic. However, each general may alter these two settings based on his computer performance.


7. All realism settings (Morale,Fatigue,Limited Ammo and RRestricted Camera) to the "ON" position.


Quite a few members of the clan have suggested to leave Restricted Camera OFF for better screen shots. I want to address that a view angle from the eyes of the enemy can be perfectly achieved even with the Restrcted Camera ON. I also think it will be more realistic and fair to keep our own vision limited. But I will be happy to follow the clan decision.

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Besides, I would like to suggest that the meeting chair task is to be shared between NARF the official daimyo and Shuko/EuroSan the daimyo reserves.

My suggestion is to do it by cooperation.
The meeting is called by the official daimyo, NARF, while Shuko and EuroSan the reserve daimyo may assist the young daimyo to moniter the meeting progress to make sure a fast and democratic decision is achieved. Their job includes but is not limited to annoucement of the meeting objective(s), duration, and results. Still, only the official daimyo has the right to make a decision for the clan if not already decided in the clan meeting.

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Maltz
07-27-2001, 13:46
Quote Originally posted by vangersonm:
what time are we going to start on Saturday I'm on Pacific Time
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Yep! Saturday GMT 0:00 AM is Friday 4:00 PM Pacific. (Sorry I wrote down 5 in the first time)

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Maltz
07-27-2001, 22:13
Besides the known absence of Satake, Yoko Kono, VoodooChild the spy master, and Vanya have not made their voice heard in this preparation meeting. Why are they saying nothing in this important meeting?

Oh no! They've fallen asleep!

See I told ya! We should have provided PC gamer magazines in the throne room.

NARF
07-27-2001, 23:20
So thats 3 oclock central time. Ok guys weve got it set up.

May our wrath be quick for us to rule over all of japan sooner.

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NARF
07-27-2001, 23:24
And hopefully we can pull this whole thing through.

vangersonm
07-28-2001, 03:18
Are we all going to meet here in this room

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http://www.plauder-smilies.de/person/ninja.gif If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

Maltz
07-28-2001, 03:50
That's my question, too. Our mighty daimyo should instruct us by then. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

The Inns of Satsuma is booked up with samurai and their family. The warlords are almost ready for the first real clan meeting!

Maltz
07-28-2001, 04:03
Calculated the clan choice of the current members (11 in total) - just in case you are curious to know:

Shimazu 22133 (11)
Mori 32 (5)
Oda 11212 (7)
Imagawa 331 (7)
Takeda 3231 (9)
Hojo 2321 (8)
Uesugi 31 (4)

Still Shimazu is the most popular one (although with a much smaller leading margin). No idea why all the Shimazu lovers (all votes to Shimazu) hasn't signed up yet. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif

Maltz
07-28-2001, 06:26
It is about 25 minutes past the expected starting time! Where is everyone? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif

Oh no! The samurai of Shimazu were blocked outside the door of the palace. The gatekeeper has lost their keys. DOH! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif

We hope the trouble can be resolved as soon as possible. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Shuko
07-28-2001, 06:30
Sorry, had to kill a few insulting ronin on the way here http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Clan members, please see the Spring 1530 post and add your thoughts or point of view so we can formulate some action plans.



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Yoko Kono
07-28-2001, 07:47
AAARRRGGHHHH
sorry im here and late
i had to get my pass for the sword dojo
windows had feckin decied to forget it
anyways
i agree to all you say always (well unless i dont in which case ill say so http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif)
now i work 9-5:30pm gmt so meetings mon-fri may be a priblem for
however should i miss an important meeting in which i am ordered to fight just mail me the details and ill do it anyway

Yoko

Maltz
07-28-2001, 07:50
Hi Yoko Kono:

Don't worry at all as each meeting will last at least 24 hours. So you will get your time to make your opnions.

Also, the meeting is actually in the next room - this room was built for the preparation meeting and has been cut off gas and electricity - oh I mean will be closed down soon http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Maltz
07-28-2001, 08:34
Oh and one more important thing - the tax rate trick. (leaving an all-time low but pulling back high in Autumn)

I'd say we abandon this nasty trick! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Shuko
07-28-2001, 08:55
I agree Maltz, it will also be far less work for our Executor - Shimazu Iehisa. If anyone objects then please say so now or soon.

PLEASE USE THE : "Spring 1530" post now for all discussion. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif