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Sarcasm
03-05-2005, 04:53
Welcome to the place where all the facts and rumors released by those sneaky bastards, AKA EB modders, are gathered. This one-time gathering of information is presented with copious ammounts of sarcasm, just for YOUR viewing pleasure. I am not part of Europa Barborum, and this is completely UNOFICIAL.

So here is a little segment I like to call....




The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret



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The Idea:

From its start, Europa Barbarorum, has been shrowded in mystery, and as Unramma and the rest of the gang run a tight ship, very few information comes out, except that which is released in some news bolletins. These are spread across the board and tend to be flooded with a whole lot of exclamation points and worship posts, not to mention useless spontaneous conversations started by the likes of me.

Also, there is a lot of speculation and discussion on this forum regarding units, factions, translations, graphical aspects, historical accuracy AND nudity, believe it or not.

So, I thought, wouldn´t it be nice to have a single forum were it´s all organized and with as much information as can be found on the stuff exposed on the news bolletins and other threads? Hell, it might even become a 'cult' thread.....but most likely it won´t. So, with Khelvan´s reluctant approval here I am.


The Map:

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/8057/mapsmall4si9ny.gif

Here it is, a magnificent work of art, if somewhat outdated, as some of the factions here have been replaced and some were added. Since then Numidia (dark blue in North Africa) has been removed and replaced by Bactria which will be on the Easternmost provinces of the map, to the right of the Seleucid Empire (Greyish-Purple area from asia minor into Persia). Also Scythia, is no more, replaced by Sarmatia, which occupies virtually the same starting location.


The Factions:

To the day in which this is being written, the playable factions are Rome, Gaul, Britania, Germania, Iberia, Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Dacians, Thracia, Sarmatia (replaced Scythia), Parthia, Armenia, Macedon, Pontus, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt and Baktria (replaced Numidia).

Allied Hellenes is rumored to be called Aetolian League (translated to greek) instead. Other factions may also be translated to their native tongues, but this is all speculation.

Faction Icons:

Part of the Mod´s objective is to remake the faction icons, and those that we know about are:

Macedon:

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/7273/newsymbol17zg.jpg

Parthia:

http://img169.exs.cx/img169/5200/parthia6bg.jpg

Ptolemaic Egypt:

http://img170.exs.cx/img170/8887/newicon0hn.jpg

Germania:

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/6079/germania1mm2sk.jpg

Numidia, which is currently on standby as part of the rebel faction, waiting for CA´s decision to make the game more mod-friendly, and allow EB to add more factions:

http://img192.exs.cx/img192/2290/numidia6qy9rx.jpg

I speculate that there are other factions being considered to be made rebels, such as Thracia...Armenia was considered as well, but the supporters of its replacement were promptly lynched by an angry mob with pitchforks and torches, and now, all is as it should be.

Barbarian Tribes:

As you know, there were no such things as a real barbarian nations. Instead these people organized themselves in a multitude of tribes. In Europa Barbarorum, factions will be set more around specific tribes than those supposed "nations" featured in the original Rome:Total War.

In EB, Dacia will represent the Getae, Gaul will be Aedui, Thracia will be the specific tribe of the Odrysians, the Iberians will be represented by the Celtiberic tribes (including the Lusitanii), Britannia will be the Casii Kingdom and finally Germania is based loosely on the Suebii Confederation.


The Armies:


Faction Armies:

Before going into the unit lists proper, the new system based on cultures rather than factions, which this thread bases itself, has left in my opinion, a void in information concerning the actual nature of the faction´s armies. So I will attempt to give a description of every major faction´s armies.

Allied Hellenes:
The Allied Hellenes will have an army based mainly around hoplitai of diferent sorts (including elite spartans), supported by little other Heavy or Light Infantry. It will rely on screening units to guard the flanks of its phalanx, mainly skirmishers. It will rely little in heavy cavalry (which will be most likely very expensive to train and maintain), or archers (small range, inadequate damage). The nearby presence of the right kind of mercenaries will most likely make up this deficiencies.

Armenia:
The Armenians will likely field an army made up of Light/Medium Infantry with a few Heavy Infantry (Axemen). In suport it will field large quantities of both Light and Heavy cavalry in the form of horse archers (probably from the steppe tribes) and cataphracts (of lighter build than those of Parthia).

Baktria:
Although very little has actually been released on the army of Baktria it will most likely field a core of Greco-Macedonic phalanx and Hetaroi-type Heavy cavalry. In support it will field light infantry, light/medium cavalry and archers from the subjugated Iranian peoples. There´s also an Indian element in the army, so there´s the possibility of fielding Indian longbowmen and elephants.

Britannia:
Britannia will field an army composed of very mobile infantry and chariots. It´s infantry is mostly light and medium and many posess the ability to skirmish and hide in long grass in order to spring ambushes.Also swords are rare due to relative shortages of iron in the isle. It has a couple of heavy infantry units which are very expensive to recruit but of very good quality. It will have very little in manner of cavalry (one unit of pony cavalry), and relies on chariots as a mounted-arm instead. Slingers provide the only missile support of this faction.

Carthage:
The Empire of Carthage will field armies made up almost exclusively of foreign units. The core of its armies are is relatively few African troops, who form a phalanx (Liby-Phoenician) and heavy cavalry arm. It´s temples also provide the elite Sacred Bands (foot and mounted). Realisticaly, though, the majority of its Infantry is recruited among the Iberians and Celtiberians as is its cavalry. They have a couple of edges over other factions by fielding some of the best mounted skirmishers in the game and the best slingers. A sort of Carthaginian Legionaire is a possibility.

Dacia:
The Dacians will presumably field mostly infantry, with some archer support. They will most likely have a mix of light and medium infantry including the terrible Falxmen. They will likely have some medium cavalry as well.

Gaul:
The Gauls field a very balanced unit roster, with good quality light, medium and heavy infantry, all fully able to stand in a battleline, some even phalanx capable. Their medium cavalry is also of good quality, and so is their heavy cavalry, though very expensive. They have access to a great variety of regional units as well, which give them other useful ranged infantry. A good all-round army.

Germania:
Although there´s little information on the entire unit list, but will, like the Britannia´s army, have little ammounts of armoured troops and swords (which will be reserved to elite and semi-elite troops which can afford to make or import the equipment). Presumably it will rely mostly on light-to-medium infantry armed with framae, thrusting spears and javelins. It will contain at least one unit of archers, and an extremly expensive elite heavy cavalry, armoured and armed with everything of the best.

Iberia:
Little or nothing has been released on the Iberian/Celtiberian armies. But it will most likely contain some light and medium infantry, with ability to make both ambushes and open battles. Most infantry will carry a falcata or a straight thrusting sword of great quality, since they were great smiths and metal was plentiful. Almost all will carry a javelin of some sort, the soliferrum being espeacialy deadly. The cavalry is some of the best in the western world, and medium and heavy (reportadly, they are a sort of western cataphract) variants should be in the roster. For missile support they use slingers, including those of the Baleares Islands.

Macedon:
The Macedonic army will base itself around the use of a fixing phalanx, with little heavy/light infantry and skirmishers covering the gaps between the blocks and heavy cavalry in the form of subject Thessalian Cavalry and Hetaroi. The main line can be reinforced by elite units (hypaspists) and supported by both slingers and archers.

Parthia:
The Parthians will rely mostly on cavalry as the main force of its armies. It will field a force composed mostly of horse-archers (including some from steppe tribes), supported by very heavy cavalry (cataphracts) and some light infantry (with missile capability) and archers. Elephants are also a possibility. They should also be quite inefective at assaulting cities.

Pontus:
Almost no mention has been made to Pontic Armies in the EB forums. Presumably it will be a mixture of Phalangitai along with some Light (native infantry) and Heavy Infantry (Pheraspidai) covering the gaps between blocks. Galatian infantry is also a possibility. The natives should provide the light cavalry (javelin throwing cavalry) and skirmishers. Horse archers could be provided by steppe tribes. The heavier cavalry should be of Hellenistic origin and in the Hetaroi fashion. Other Medium and heavy cavalry should be provided by the Hellenic population and the Cappadocians as well. Scythed Chariots are a possibility.

Ptolemaic Egypt:
The Ptolemaic army, like most of those of the Diadochy are made up of a core of Hellenic soldiers supported by natives. The Greco-Macedons provide the main phalanx, the elite infantry guards (thureophoroi and pheraspidai are a possibility as well) and the Heavy, Hetaroi-style, Cavalry. The natives provide skirmishers, light infantry and light cavalry, perhaps even some archers. Elephants should also be present.

Rome:
The Romans should have two periods for their military. The first period Rome will field large contingents of Latin Heavy Infantry as their main force and reserve, Skirmishers and Light Infantry in the front and low-quality Heavy Cavalry in the flanks. There should also be large ammounts of allied Italian contingents even in a 1:1 ratio, but with a larger proportion of cavalry.
The second period should be a time where the Legions are standartized, and all Latin and Italian contingents are armed in the same fashion, as Heavy Infantry. Skirmishers should also be present. Troops hired in unromanized provinces should provide auxilia in form of armoured spearmen and specialized cavalry.

Sarmatia:
The Sarmatian tribes should field almost exclusively cavalry, particularly horse-archers. They should be supported by heavely armoured lancers and some other Light/Medium Cavalry (which most-likely will have bows as well). Foot soldiers should be negligable, with the very probable existence of archers-based Infantry.

Thracia:
Thracia should be able to field some Hellenic-style soldiers such as hoplites, phalangites and heavy cavalry armoured in bronze (for the nobles) along with their more traditional Medium Infantry armed with javelins and rhomphaias, peltastai skirmishers, light cavalry and javelinmen on horse. Bastarnae mercenaries should also be present.


Unit List:

A large number of these unit screenshots, descriptions and lists were collected in the beginning of the development of the Mod, when it was more open to the common user and much has surely changed after that. So relatively few of these units have actually been 100% confirmed in the way they are here. The ones marked with "UNCONFIRMED" are the ones that have only been mentioned in post or two, without details, or my own supposition. Others are marked as "OUTDATED SCREENSHOT", which means those units have either been probably replaced by now or received a new visual that I am aware of, but haven´t got access to.

Also, we know that units will not be recruitable in a linear manner as it was in vanilla RTW. There will be faction specific units, region specific units which can only be trainable by some factions or by all. Same goes for mercenaries. Take every unit description with a pinch of salt. Wait...you better take some more...

Making it short, this list will try to collect all information regarding the units that will fill your screen. I will also attempt to make out its function on the battlefield and translate their names, when applyable. RUMORS INCLUDED.




***************AFRICAN***************


*Astarte Sacred Band (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT

http://img231.exs.cx/img231/9979/carastartsacredband0dv.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured elite cavalry owned by the Astarte temple in Carthage. The sons of noblemen are handed over to the temple to train to become heavy cavalry. Armed with a two-handed spear. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Carthage

*Baal Sacred Band (subject to further translation)

http://img148.exs.cx/img148/4920/carbaalsacredband29vj.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured elite hoplites. Armed with underhand spear and Argive Shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Carthage

*Libyan Spearmen (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/9083/carlybianspearmen8bn.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Recruited among the Liby and Liby-Phoenecian subjects of Carthage, which provided tribute in form of money, produce and troops. Presumably Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Libya, Carthage, Thapsus

*Numidan Cavalry

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/8899/mercnumidiancavalry7pf.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Mounted skirmishers, recruited in North-Western Africa. They ride without saddles and are regarded as the best light cavalry in the western world. Unarmoured and armed with javelins and a small shield. Mounted Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa

*Numidan Javelineers

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/9320/mercnumidianjavelinmen2sn.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured skirmishers, armed only with a javelins and a small shield. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily

*Numidan Slingers

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/433/mercnumidianslingers9tu.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured slingers, armed only with a knife and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily

*Garamantes Nomads (subject to further translation)

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/4130/mercgaramantesnomads0ag.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Pre-Muslim Arab camelry, unarmoured and armed with a sword and a large shield (NOTE: Scimitars will not be available in this time period). Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome, ???
Recruitable in : Sahara Desert, Garama

*Garamantes Infantry (subject to further translation)

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/6292/mercgaramantesinfantry4mi.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Pre-Muslim Arab infantry, unarmoured and armed with a spear and large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome, ???
Recruitable in : Sahara Desert, Garama

*Machimoi

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/6592/pemachimoi0oi.jpg

Translation : 'Native Egyptian Phalangite'
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pantodapoi

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8184/pepantodapoi4fx.jpg

Translation : 'Eastern Soldier (All Purpose?)'
Description : Militia recruited among the non-Greek stratus of the population. Unarmoured and armed only with a spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Numidian Light Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Mounted skirmishers, recruited to fight for the Roman Empire, either from their homeland or by traveling to the Italian Provinces to hire themselves out. They ride without saddles and are regarded as the best light cavalry in the western world. Unarmoured and armed with javelins and a small shield. Mounted Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily




***************CELTIC***************


*Silurii Byrnai

http://img92.exs.cx/img92/7218/britsiluriibyrnai7te.jpg

Translation : Silurii (tribe) Spearmen
Description : Basic foot soldiers of the fierce southern tribe. Disciplined, well trained, and brave these warriors carry throwing spears and a large shield.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Modern Wales, Venta Silurum

*Clyddailauddynion (Cli-thu-deh-thin-un-ee-on)

Translation : 'Swordsmen'
Description : Generally, these are some of the wealthiest men of the southern tribes as iron supply was short and thus made the process of forging or trading swords, a very expensive matter. They use woad patterns all over their bodies and spiked hair. They are unarmoured but carry a large oval shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britannia

*Calwr Chlaiddyfwir

Translation : 'Glorious Giant Blade Men'
Description : These are men very akin to the Brycalaware, but carry a two-handed sword and are armoured in the finest mailshirts besides wearing metal helmets. Their weapons have the ability to shatter shields and armour, and instill terror on their foes and inspire their fellow men. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia, except Caledonia

*Eginynauddynion

Translation : 'Bladesmen'
Description : These are young but experienced warriors of the Midlands. They are impetous and cover their bodies with intricate designs believing it will bestow protection upon them. They are armoured with a leather vest, and equip themselves with a shortsword and a small shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Middle Britannia

*Ffonaflauddynion

Translation : 'Slingmen'
Description : These were the youngest warriors of the tribes, still learning the trade of warfare, still their slings are a very effective weapon. They will probably brake and flee if forced to fight hand-to-hand since they are only armed with a knife and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia

*Maliwyr Charde (Mall-ee-wir Chard-eh)

Translation : 'Warriors of the South'
Description : They are the file warriors of the Southern tribes. They are unarmoured and are armed with a handfull of javelins, a spear and a large oval shield. Skirmishers/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britannia

*Rhyfelwyr (Rh-eye-vell-wir)

Translation : 'Warriors'
Description : These are the warriors of the Caledonians, an isolated people, who do not have large ammounts of iron, and as such use less expensive weapons. They are seemingly fearless and believe their tatoos give them speacial protection. They are unarmoured, and are armed with javelins, a spear and a square shield. Skirmishers/Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Caledonia

*La Tene Cerbydau (Bock-see-deh)

Translation : 'Light Chariots'
Description : Light chariot with bronze fixtures and hubs, drawn by two horses, driven by a skin woaded men, with spiked and lyed hair, and a rider with a bronze cuirass, with bronze helmet, javelins, oval shield, and an iron longsword. Light Chariots.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia, except Caledonia

*Fionn Gaelladha (Kid-unk)

Translation : 'Free Gaels'
Description : These are the greatest warriors of Hibernia and forget all tribal bonds to defend their homeland from foreign invaders. They wore extremely well made chain shirts, and used a combination of long range javelins, iron longswords, and round shields. Heavy Cavalry/Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Drwmcerbydau

Translation : 'Heavy Chariots'
Description : Heavy chariot with many bronze fixtures and hubs, drawn by two horses, with an armored driver (armored the same as the rider), and a rider with a bronze cuirass, with bronze helmet, armed with javelins, oval shield, and longsword. Heavy Chariots.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : All of Britannia

*Brycalaware (Rie-call-a-oo-ree)

Rebel Skin

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/7784/mercrycalaware1aw.jpg

Briton Skin

http://img209.exs.cx/img209/9306/britrycalaware8hb.jpg

Translation : 'Great Champions'
Description : Veteran, made wealthy by the offerings of their chieftans men, capable of buying the best equipment. Armoured and armed with a spear, large shield and sword. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia

*Milnaht Belgae (Mel-not)

Gallic Skin

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/4217/galmalhnatbelgae8of.jpg

Briton Skin

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/6844/britmalhnatbelgae3tv.jpg

Translation : ???
Description : Middle-aged, experienced, but non-aristocratic Belgae tribesmen. Unarmoured but armed with a sword and a large shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Samarobriva, Aduataca, Vesontio, possibly Southern Britannia

*Tribal Militia (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT

http://img100.exs.cx/img100/9265/galtribalmilitia6gc.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Low quality levies from the barbarian Celtic tribes. Unarmoured and armed with a thrusting spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul, Britannia

*Leuce Epos

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/916/galleuceepos0ny.jpg

Translation : 'Light (fast) Horse'
Description : Unarmoured Horsemen, armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large shield. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul

*Mala Gaeroas

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/8563/galmalagaeroas6hf.jpg

Translation : 'Southern Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with javelins, spear and large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Patavium, Mediolanum, Tolosa, Vienna, Limonum, Avaricum

*Belgae Batacorii

Translation : ???
Description : ???
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Samarobriva, Aduataca, Vesontio

*Soldurii

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9664/galsoldurii5kp.jpg

Translation : 'Soldiers/Warriors'
Description : Armoured elite warriors. Apparently armed with a long spear, large shield and longsword. Possibly Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Burdigala, Limonum

*Botroas

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/4015/galbotroas4rb.jpg

Translation : 'Swordsmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Patavium, Mediolanum, Tolosa, Vienna, Limonum, Avaricum

*Senone Slingers (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A (Senone-tribe)
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured and armed with a short sword and a small buckler besides its sling. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Aquitanian Archers (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A (Aquitanii-tribe)
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured and armed only with a short sword, besides their bows. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Tolosa

*Bodvoritus

Translation : 'Running Wrath'
Description : Very Impetuous, Very Undisciplined, Good Morale, unarmoured warriors that are armed only with a sword. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Veneti Bagaudam

Translation : 'Veneti (tribe) Guerrilla Fighters'
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured warriors that get bonuses when fighting at night and are more probable to spring ambushes. Armed with a sword and a small square shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Dorioritum

*Bodubatae

Translation : 'Raven Warriors'
Description : High Moral, High Valour, Disciplined warriors that can afford very good equipment, their name being given by their raven helmets. Armoured in a bronze cuirass and armed with a long spear, longsword and large oval shield. can form both phalanx and shieldwall. Phalanx infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Carnute Cingetos

Translation : 'Carnute (tribe) Warriors'
Description : High Morale, Mail-armoured druidic infantry that causes fear on other Celtic soldiers and have large bonus against non-Celtic units. Armed with a longsword and a round shield. Recruitable in Carnute territory, around Cenabaum. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Cenebaum

*Brihentin

Translation : 'Elite Cavalry'
Description : Disciplined, High Moral, Mail-Armoured mounted noblemen, armed with spears, longsword and a large round shield. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Transalpine Gaul

*Arvenii Arjos

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/4102/galaverniiarjos4ys.jpg

Translation : 'Arvenii (tribe) Noblemen'
Description : Disciplined, High Moral, Mail-Armoured noblemen, armed with long spears, longsword and a large shield. Can form shield wall. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Gergovia

*Northern Warband (subject to name change)

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/9008/galnorthernwarband6pl.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Similar to Botroas. Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Bibracte, Cenebaum, Darioritum

*Mori Gaesum

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/6000/mercmorigaesum4hx.jpg

Translation : 'Sea of spears'
Description : Tribal warriors of the Helvetii, decently armoured and armed with a sword, a long spear and a large shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Helvetia

*Gaetsae

Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Good Morale, High Valour, completely naked warriors except for a helmet (don´t worry, they actually have a loincloth...wow, that was close, hey kids?) and are armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large hexagonal shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : All of Gaul

*Ordocorii

Translation : 'Hammer Troops'
Description : Good Valour, Average Moral, Mail-Armoured warriors that are armed with a War-Hammer and a round shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britanniam, Northern Gaul

*Boii Botroas

http://img209.exs.cx/img209/4365/galboiibotroas8ts.jpg

Translation : Boii (tribe) 'Swordsmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, ???
Recruitable in : Northeast of the Helvetii, Transalpine Gaul

*Goidilic Daernaght

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) 'Spearmen'
Description : Most basic warriors of the Goedelic tribes with Good Morale. They are only semi-professional, training only four months a year, returning to work afterwards. They are unarmoured but carry a large shield and are armed with one heavy javelin, thrown before a charge, as well as a spear. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

Goidilic Laech

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) 'Warrior'
Description : Warriors of the Goedelic tribes. They are professional soldiers which train all-year round and make up the core of the Goidilic armies. They are unarmoured but are equipped with a large shield and a sword. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Goidilic Gurrain

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) Cavalry
Description : Most basic warriors of the Goedelic tribes. They are only semi-professional, training only four months a year, returning to work afterwards. They fight mounted in a pony, are unarmoured, carry a shield and are armed spears, for both throwing as well as a thrusting. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Gallic Medium Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured Horsemen, armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul, Northern Italy




***************EURASIAN NOMADS**************


*Scythian Steppe Cavalry (subject to further translation)

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9668/mercscythiansteppecavalry8xv.jpg
Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : All
Recruitable in : Northern Steppes, Black Sea

*Scythian Light Cavalry (subject to further translation)

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/518/mercscythianlightcavalry0qn.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : All
Recruitable in : Northern Steppes, Black Sea

*Aorsi Riders (subject to further translation)

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7459/saraorsiriders5zq.jpg

Translation : Aorsi (tribe)
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Sarmatia
Recruitable in : The lower Volga River and as far east as the Aral Sea

*Dahae

Baktrian Skin

http://img235.exs.cx/img235/5831/bakdahae0iv.jpg

Parthian Skin

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/4599/pardahae8kq.jpg

Translation : Dahae (tribe/'robbers')
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the Scythian tribe of the Dahae. Armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Parthia, Baktria, Sarmatia
Recruitable in : South of modern Kazakhstan




***************GERMANIC***************


*Teutones

Translation : Teutones (tribe)
Description : Excellent Valour, Excellent Morale, Disciplened mounted warriors which dye their hair red, grow a full beard and are armed with throwing spears and a small square shield. Heavy Horse Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Germania
Recruitable in : Along the Rhine

*Chatti Fanatics (subject to further translation)

Translation : 'The Distinguished'
Description : Fanatical unarmoured axemen/spearmen also equiped with a large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germannia
Recruitable in : Tribus Chatti

*Framaemen (UNCONFIRMED/probably subject to further translation)

Translation : 'Framae (spear with short and narrow blade) Men'
Description : They form the bulk of any germanic army and are armed with a spear which can be thrown as well as used in a melee and, presumably some kind of shield. Trained to form a shieldwall. Phalanx/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania

*Bu?on-Manwaz

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/1852/gerbunmanwaz3fj.jpg

Translation : 'Bow Men'
Description : Hunters gathered to form an archer warband. Armed with a bow and knife/short sword. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania

*Sahsnotaz

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8673/gersahsnotaz1vq.jpg

Translation : 'Swordbondsmen'
Description : Unarmoured swordsmen also equipped with a large shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Tribus Saxones

*Germanic Heavy Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Armoured Horsemen, armed with a spear (couched), longsword and a large shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Heavy Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania, Italy, Pannonia

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 04:14
***************HELLENIC***************


*Spartiates Hoplitai Agema (IMPROBABLE)

Translation : 'Elite Spartan Hoplites'
Description : Elite hoplites trained from infancy to fight. Very high moral, tough to brake. Armoured with bronze/iron cuirass and armed with a overhand spear, short sword and large Argive shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Sparta

*Spartiates Hoplitai

Translation : 'Spartan Hoplites'
Description : Hoplites trained from infancy to fight. Very high moral, tough to brake. Armoured with linen cuirass and armed with a overhand spear, short sword and large Argive shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Sparta

*Peltastai

Allied Hellenes Skin

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/166/ahpeltastai4gv.jpg

Macedonic Skin

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/6984/macpeltastai3vk.jpg

Translation : 'Shield (Pelta) Bearer'
Description : Hellenic lightly armoured soldier with javelins as its primary weapon. Skirmisher/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Hippeis Xystophoroi

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/1460/ahhippeisxistophoroi8wu.jpg

Translation : 'Xyston (Long Spear) armed Cavalry'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among the wealthy of the Greek Polis. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Grecce

*Taxeis Phalangitai

Translation : 'Militia Phalangites'
Description : Unarmoured Phalangites armed with a sarissa. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Thureophoroi

Translation : 'Shield (thureos) Bearer'
Description : Presumably a lightly armed infantry, with a large shield, and fills the gaps between phalanxes. Heavy Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon, Greece

*Pezhetairoi

Translation : 'Foot Companions'
Description : Lightly armoured Phalangites armed with a sarissa. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Argyraspidai

Translation : 'Silver Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Elite Infantry armed with sarissa spears. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Hypaspistai

Translation : 'Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Macedonic Guard Infantry presumably armed in a hoplite fashion and fight with an overhand spear. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Pheraspidai

Translation : 'Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Close assault infantry. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon, Greece
*Taxeis Hoplitai (UNCONFIRMED)

Translation : 'Militia Hoplites'
Description : Unarmoured hoplite. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Everywhere

*Slingers (name subject to change)

Translation : 'Sphendonetoi' (trans?)
Description : Hellenic Slingers. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Toxotai

Translation : 'Archers'
Description : Hellenic Archers. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Greece, Macedon

*Hippakontistes

Translation : 'Horse Javelineers'
Description : Unarmoured Light Cavalry armed with javelins. Horse Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Akontistes

Translation : 'Javelineer'
Description : Unarmoured skirmisher with javelins as its main weapons. Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Prodromoi

Translation : 'Scouts'
Description : Macedonic Light cavalry armed with a Xyston as its primary weapon. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Hetairoi

Translation : 'Companions'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Noble Macedonic Cavalry. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Thessalian Cavalry (subject to further translation)

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8145/macthessaliancavalry5dj.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among the subject nobility of Thessaly. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thessaly

*Kleruchoi Agema

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/9048/pekleruchoiagemata7ot.jpg

Translation : 'Military Settler Guard'
Description : Armoured Phalanx armed a Sarissa spear as its primary weapon, a sword and a shield. Reruited among Greek military settlers who were given land for their service. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Basilikon Agema

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/2291/pebasilikonagemata4ko.jpg

Translation : 'Royal Guard'
Description : Elite royal guard recruited from the Greek stratus of the population. Armoured Hoplitai, armed with a large shield and overhand spear. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Alexandria

*Kleruchoi Cavalry (subject to further translation)

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8977/pekleurochoicavalry5se.jpg

Translation : 'Military Settler (Fief holder) Cavalry'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among Greek military settlers who were given land for their service. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Cretan Archers (subject to further translation)

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4454/merccretanarchers4fh.jpg

Translation : Cretan (trans?) Toxotai
Description : These soldiers, recognizable by their characteristic red tunic, are considered the best archers in the Hellenic world. They wear no armour and are armed with a bow, a short sword and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome, Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Pontus, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, ???
Recruitable in : Crete, Ionia, Rhodes, Western Greece



***************IBERIAN***************


*Dubis Dusios (VERY IMPROBABLE.....hopefully)

Translation : 'Black Demons'
Description : Elite Celtiberian warriors from Spain. They are chosen from among the ranks for their skill, fitness and bravery in battle. Though rough and ready, these Celtiberians are fierce ferocious fighters that can hold their own against almost any opposition. Armed with a sword, and an oval shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Celtiberia?

*Iberian Light Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : These are lightly armoured cavalry, armed with javelins, a falcata sword and a small round shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Iberia, Italy



***************ITALIAN***************


*Velites

Translation : 'Cloak wearers'
Description : Poorest or youngest soldiers in the Early Republican Legions. Unarmoured and armed with javelins as their main weapon. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Hastatii

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/1818/romhastitii1lk.jpg

Translation : 'Spear (hasta) carriers'
Description : Middle-aged soldiers which have done service in the Early Republican Legion, but don´t have enough wealth to buy expensive armour. Armed with pilla, large shield (scutum) and short-sword. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Princepes

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/6821/romprincepes8eg.jpg

Translation : 'Leaders'
Description : Middle-aged soldiers which have done service in the Early Republican Legion, and have enough wealth to buy more expensive armour (lorica hamata). Armed with pilla, large shield (scutum) and short-sword. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Triarii

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5916/romtriarii4nt.jpg

Translation : 'Third liners'
Description : Oldest most veteran soldiers in the Early Republican Legion. Able to buy the best equipment available. Armed with a spear (hasta), large shield (scutum) and short sword. Possibly Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Equites

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/3179/romequites2kk.jpg

Translation : 'Horsemen/Knights/Cavalry'
Description : Made up of the citizens that are wealthy enough to provide their own mount. Armoured and armed with a spear, large shield and sword. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Early Cohors Legionarii (subject to further translation)

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/1209/romearlylegionarycohort8sg.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Late Republican Cohorts. First step into making a homegenous legion, as all the equipment is bought from the state. Well trained, armoured in chainmail and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Auxilia

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/3909/romauxilia25uk.jpg

Translation : reserve troops, auxiliary troops
Description : Imperial soldiers recruited from the roman provinces, among non-Italic peoples. Trained, armoured in chainmail and armed with a large shield and a spear. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Late Cohors Legionarii (subject to further translation)

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4193/romlatelegionarycohort2ol.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Imperial cohorts. Well trained, armoured in banded armour (lorica segmentata) and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Early Cohors Praetoria (subject to further translation)

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/7112/romearlypretoria4us.jpg

Translation : ???
Description : Special elite cohort which guarded the tent of the legion´s Legate (thepraetorium) of the Late Republic. In time it became a bodyguard force for generals and eventually formed full cohorts. Well trained, high moral, armoured in chainmail and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Late Cohors Praetoria (subject to further translation)

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/7237/romlatepraetoria6gd.jpg

Translation : ???
Description : Special elite cohort which guards Generals and Emperors as well as forming special cohorts that fight across the Imperium. Well trained, high moral, armoured in banded armour and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Samnite Infantry

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/8632/mercsamniteinfantry7me.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Recruited in the southern mountainous ranges of Italy, they were enemies of Rome but were defeated in a recent war and now are found fighting in their armies. Reliable, lightly armoured, and armed with a spear, possibly javelins and a large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome, Carthage, ???
Recruitable in : Southern Italian Peninsula




***************NEAR EASTERN***************


*Median Cavalry (subject to further translation)

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/998/bakmediancavalry7nv.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Lightly armoured horsemen made up of the lesser nobility of Persia. Armed with a spear, small shield and a sword. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Baktria, Seleucid Empire, Parthia
Recruitable in : Media

*Doryphoroi

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/1982/bakdoriophoroi4hh.jpg

Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured dual-purpose infantry recruited among the Iranian peoples of Persia. They are armed with a spear and a composite bow. Light/Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Baktria, Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Persia

*Thanuvaniya

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/5493/parthanuvaniyafootarchers1cq.jpg

Translation : Archers
Description : Poorer elements of the various infantry levies of Parthia. These men are skirmishers only and not inclined to close with enemy troops. Armed only with a knife/short sword besides their composite bows. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Parthia

*Eransahr Arshtbara:

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/1999/pareransahrarshtbara6zg.jpg

Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured dual-purpose infantry recruited among the Iranian peoples of Persia. They are armed with a spear and a composite bow. Light/Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Persia

*Kataphraktii (UNCONFIRMED)

Translation : 'Armoured Soldier'
Description : Very heavly armoured horsemen made up of the noblemen of Persia. Armed with a two-handed spear and a mace. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Parthia

*Pantopadoi Phalangitai

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/3235/ponpantodapoiphalangites5fn.jpg

Translation : 'Eastern Phalangite'
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Pontus
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Pontus

*Pantopadoi Phalangitai

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/941/selpantodapoiphalangites6dr.jpg

Translation : Eastern Phalangite
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Asia Minor

*Pantodapoi

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/7659/selpantodapoi3xh.jpg

Translation : Eastern Soldier (All Purpose?)
Description : Militia recruited among the non-Greek stratus of the population. Unarmoured and armed only with a spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Asia Minor



***************Thracians***************


*Thrakioi Prodromoi

Translation : Thracian Scouts
Description : Light cavalry armed with a Xyston as its primary weapon. Recruited from Thracian tribes. Light Cavalry
Recruitable by : Thracia, Macedonia, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thrace, Northern Macedon

*Thrakioi Peltastai

Translation : Thracian Shield (Pelta) Bearer
Description : Lightly armoured soldier with javelins as its primary weapon, recruited from Thracian tribes. Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Thracia, Macedonia, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thrace, Northern Macedon

*Dacian Spearmen (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/1928/dacspearmen2hg.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Dacian Peltastai (subject to further translation)

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/2707/dacpeltastai8ot.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with javelins and a large shield. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Dacian Archer (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/2353/dacarcher8zh.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed only with a short sword besides its bow. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Falxmen (subject to further translation)

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/84/dacfalxmen0jv.jpg

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with a mighty Falx. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia



Siege Engines:


*Oxybeles

http://img46.exs.cx/img46/8215/oxybeles4cs.jpg

Translation : Catapult (missile-thrower)
Description : Light siege engine, constructed to fire bolts on the enemy line.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes

*Bricoli

http://img13.exs.cx/img13/2791/siegebricoli7hl.jpg

Translation : ???
Description : Light siege engine, constructed to fire bolts on the enemy line. Short range and inaccurate.
Buildable by : Germania, Britannia, Iberia, Dacia?, Thracia?, Sarmatia?


The Navies:


*Transport Boat (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A
Description : A large merchant galley, used only as a transport auxiliary.
Buildable by : Rome:, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia, Sarmatia

*Liburnes

Translation : ???
Description : Technically a late design, used mostly after the fact of Octavian’s victories made the Mediterranean an imperial roman pond. An aphract, two-banked galley, they generally seem to have carried a ram, but otherwise raged from 16 – 50 oars.
Buildable by : Rome

*Covered Liburnes

Translation : ???
Description : Same as a Liburnes but with a fully covered deck.
Buildable by : Rome

*Trireme

Translation : "Three-oared"
Description : War galleys with three rows of oars on each side. Relies on speed and maneuverability to ram enemy ships.
Buildable by : Rome

*Corvus Quinquireme

Translation : Crow "Five-Oared"
Description : Warship with three rows of oars, with two men pulling each of the top two oars. Besides the regular bronze ramthis ship carries a special ramp with spike that would be dropped onto an enemy ship to facilitate boarding, the corvus.
Buildable by : Rome

*Biere Aphraktos

Translation : Unarmoured (not fully-decked) "Two-oared"
Description : Two rows of oars. Light, fast ship that uses a ram in combat.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia

*Biere Kataphraktos

Translation : Armoured (fully-decked) "Two-oared"
Description : Two rows of oars. Light, fast ship that uses a ram in combat.
Buildable by : Carthage

*Tetrere

Translation : "Four-oared"
Description : The ‘four’ was an updated version of the trieres, really meant mostly for fast agile tactics, not boarding.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pentere

Translation : "Five-oared"
Description : A powerful and flexible galley, depending on how the ship is designed (with one two or three oar banks) these ships are capable of both the maneuver and ramming tactics of the earlier age of the trieres, or the artillery and boarding tactics of the large polyereis.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pentekonteros

Translation : "50-oared"
Description : Older warship than the trireme with a single row of 25 oars on each side. The trireme's staggered seating permitted three row of oarsmen, and an outrigger above the gunwale, projecting laterally beyond it, kept the third row of oars out of the way of the first two.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia, Baktria

*Trimehiola

Translation : ???
Description : The triemiolia was invented by the Rhodians to help with their anti-piracy policy: An aphract trieres, with (based on the name parallel) the same kind of rig as a hemiolia. With three oar banks and sails (and possible a lighter build than a normal trieres the triemiolia presumably, could catch a fast pirate with its own game, and with a larger crew and professional marines, could overwhelm the pirate or simply ram it. In terms of translation the Triemiolia is not three-and-a-half, but instead simpler version of the compound word made by combining trieres and hemiolia.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia

*Triere

Translation : "Three-oared"
Description : War galleys with three rows of oars on each side. Relies on speed and maneuverability to ram enemy ships.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia

*Curragh

Translation : ???
Description : Small ship made of a wooden frame and covered with hides for floatation. Barely suitable for combat as it carries very few people for boarding.
Buildable by : Gaul, Iberia, Britannia

*Tallship

Translation : ???
Description : ???
Buildable by : Gaul, Iberia

*Baitaz

Translation : Boat
Description : ???
Buildable by : Germania

*Skipaz

Translation : Boat
Description : ???
Buildable by : Germania

*Nava

Translation : ???
Description : Presumably a light ship powered by sails.
Buildable by : Baktria

*Pirate Ship

Translation : N/A
Description : Hemiolia, A fast dikrotos (two-banked) galley and famous as the quintessential pirate ship. The name and is reputed use by pirates have been take to suggest the ship typically used both oars and sail, thus allowing in to catch a feeling merchant and outlast a warship that had been cleared for action (i.e. without it’s sails and rigging) in a chase. The One-and-a-half presumably means just before closing on a prize the aft section of the top rowers could quickly pull in their oars, lower what would probably a light mast and sail and then be ready to serve as boarders.
Buildable by : Rebels



UPDATE LOG:


27/03

- Thread is changing it´s ownership, Sheep will now take over, as I´m now working directly with EB, and as such cannot provide information as you might understand, but hopefully I´ll drop by with some rumors. ~;) It´s been a great experience, Abraço.......Sarcasm. :bow:
- Reached 4000 views!

22/03

- Added faction armies´ description to "Faction Armies" sub-section
- Visual tweaking and spelling
- Minor rumor-mongering and guessing

21/03

- Dacian Units now have all 4 conditions properly filled out
- Added Iberian, Numidan, German and Gallic Cavalry Auxilia
- Huge update on all of Britannia´s unit descriptions
- Some of Britannia´s units were replaced, due to the finding of an, aparently, more recent unit list
- Tribal Militia now recruitable by both Gaul and Britannia
- New visual scheme
- New Siege Engine - The 'Bricoli'
- Spelling and minor tweaking
- "The Armies" section will now have a "Faction Armies" sub-section to explain what each army is about

20/03

- Phase 3: Update information regarding the new parameters (COMPLETE)
- Phase 4: New Culture-Based layout "The Armies" section
- Visual tweaks
- Reached 3000 views!

19/03

- Phase 3: Update information regarding the new parameters (PARCIAL)
- Samnite, Numidian and Garamantes descriptions have been corrected

16/03

- New Layout construction begins
- Phase 1: Units now have "recruitable in" and "recruitable by" parameters
- Phase 2: New visual layout of the "The Armies" section
- "LAST UPDATED" moved to the beginning of the thread
- Gaedelic Daernaght parameters are now normalized

15/03

- Germania´s symbol is now edited to match the others´ layout
- Warship list descriptions partially redone (thx conon394)
- "Warship" section renamed "The Navies"
- "Ground Units" section renamed "The Armies"
- Visual tweaking of "The Navies" section

14/03

- 7 New Units (1 Sarmatian, 2 Parthian, 1 Briton, 3 Mercenary)
- Spelling, minor tweaking
- Reached 2000 views!

11/03

- Spelling, minor tweaking
- New faction description for Armenia with info from the .net
- Warship section revised
- Teutones have been exposed as mounted! ~;)

10/03

- Large update with 11 new Gallic units, including 3 new screenshots
- Boii Botroas is now a Mercenary unit as well as Gallic
- 3 new mercenary unit descriptions
- Germanic units and warships translated from Proto-Germanic
- General tweaks and spelling correction.
- Doryphoroi spelling fixed (thx Cataphract_Of_The_City)
- Most Roman units are now translated

9/03

- My apologies to the guys that had their posts deleted in the name of organization (Conon394, Khelvan, Proper Gander, Idomeneas and Crownsteler)
- New Screenshots added
- 2 New Germanic units found
- 2 New Rebel units found
- New condition "Recruitable by" added in the Rebel unit list
- Placed Gaedelic Daernaght on the Rebel List instead of Germanic (my fault)
- Reversed updates so the newest are first
- Revised and updated the Update Topic
- Colours added to main topics
- Reached 1000 views!

8/03

- Added new updated screenshots (7 Roman, 3 Gallic, 3 Carthaginian, 2 Mercenary)
- Image limit, forced me to open a new post
- Image size is finaly completely equal
- Most Warship descriptions added.
- 4 New Units added as Dacia is now out of the closet
- Recorrected Kleurochoi and Basilikon Agema descriptions (no thx to aymar ~;) )

7/03

- Spartans translation corrected (thx Idomeneas)
- Implemented Screenshot size standard at 205x275 pixel (incomplete conversion)
- Topic "Mercenaries and Rebels" Added
- Agema translation corrected (thx Idomeneas)
- Thx for the links (already knew about them, but thx anyway)
- Minor Rumor-mongering and guessing

6/03

- Updated with screenshots from the .org.
- Added Siege Engines section
- Added Warships section
- Added News Bolletin 4/03
- Added Update log section
- Screenshot size revised
- Boii Batroas description corrected (thx Aymar)
- Leuce Epos spelling corrected (thx Aymar)
- Kleurochoi Agemata description corrected (thx Aymar)
- Minor Rumor-mongering

5/03

- Thread created. Basic Structure laid out
- News Bolletins prior to this date were added
- Most Screenshots added.


This Thread will be updated as more information becomes available. Also, user feedback is not only apreciated, but encouraged, give us your questions, your feelings, the rumors you heard, the rumors you think you heard and even flat out confirmed data! So feel free to post.

Hope you like it.

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 04:19
Need some help from a kind admin...khelvan? ~D .....can you put this last piece up next to the first part? Is that possible? Cause I ran out of images for that post.

Regarding those quotes I´m refering to 1st (the list) and the 6th unit list, which I don´t know if its official or semi-official or whatever... :dizzy2:

khelvan
03-08-2005, 05:33
Need some help from a kind admin...khelvan? ~D .....can you put this last piece up next to the first part? Is that possible? Cause I ran out of images for that post.

Regarding those quotes I´m refering to 1st (the list) and the 6th unit list, which I don´t know if its official or semi-official or whatever... :dizzy2:Not unless I delete every message in the thread between the first one and the second one.

If you are referring to the Germanic list of names, this is old, and no longer applicable. It has a mix of different types of names, and we've moved to fully Proto-Germanic.

If you're referring to the Daernaught, yes, that is a sample of our full unit description.

Crownsteler
03-08-2005, 11:27
About the equites I just put a temporary one. It was getting late and I was beginning to suffer the effects of a massive hangover. Took me 2 hours to correct spelling errors ~D .

As for the thread that he quoted, I can´t seem to find it. That´s why I was asking for more details on what were those things, or maybe just give me the specific thread.

There are a few threads I used;
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,1397,30,50
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,1885,30,50
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=9,1515,90,50

but mostly they give general information, you should read the news issue on that forum whan the Ptolomaic faction symbol was showed, then people started complaining about how thw Ptolomaic symbol should be the eye of rha or a scarab ~:rolleyes: can you imagine? So Khelvan had the (ungrateful?) job of telling the people there over and over again about what the mod does, and the reason for the change, but sometimes, new information is released there we here haven't seen yet.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
03-08-2005, 12:46
Hey, Sarcasm. It seems I've induced you in error. I misread some texts and gave you the wrong information. :embarassed:

I'll explain:

The Kleruchoi Agema is a macedonian-style phalanx (they carry 6m sarissae)

The Basilikon Agema is a lakedemonian-style hoplite phalanx (the use the overhand grab and serve a similar role to the Hypaspitai)

I'm very sorry for the blunder... :sad:

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 15:57
@ Khelvan:


Not unless I delete every message in the thread between the first one and the second one.

Well as much as it pains me to delete the few congratulation posts in here and a couple of discussion, I don´t think they´d mind. Half the conversation is between me, you, Aymar and Crownsteler which has posted the thread links I asked. Can you do it then? I´ll be sure to apologize and thank them.


If you are referring to the Germanic list of names, this is old, and no longer applicable. It has a mix of different types of names, and we've moved to fully Proto-Germanic.

Ok, got it. No longer applicable. But I´m curious, are all of these names germanic units? They´re way too many to be faction germanic......maybe some of them are rebel germanic?

@Crownsteler

Thx a bunch m8! :bow:

@ Aymar

A pensar que EU tava de ressaca....lol ~;) vou corrigir imediatamente.

Urnamma
03-08-2005, 16:07
There is A LOT of misinformation in this thread...

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 16:08
@Unramma

LOL....That´s the whole point of this thread.....j/k

Can you be so kind as to clarify some of the misinformation I collected here? :bow:

BTW: conon394......ancient warships are not exactly my thing, can you provide me with better translations, descriptions or other ideas you have?

I would really apreciate it. I have already done a few, but they don´t seem to be very accurate. I´m mostly making suppositions here.

conon394
03-08-2005, 16:15
Sarcasm

Yes I can, but not till after work.

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 16:20
@Conon394

Roger that. I´ll patiently await it then.

You´re obviously welcome to make other comments aswell.

@Unramma

Why do get the feeling you´re not going to? ~D

Urnamma
03-08-2005, 17:53
Because I'm not going to spoil the surprise, and no information is going to get posted outside of news threads :bow:

Sarcasm
03-08-2005, 18:13
@Unramma

Well can you at least tell me some misunderstanding I might have done? I´m not talking about disclosing information...just the things which I obviously didn´t understand or make out correctly from the info already posted in these forums.



Please? :bow:

khelvan
03-08-2005, 19:10
Well as much as it pains me to delete the few congratulation posts in here and a couple of discussion, I don´t think they´d mind. Half the conversation is between me, you, Aymar and Crownsteler which has posted the thread links I asked. Can you do it then? I´ll be sure to apologize and thank them.Ok, sure. Deleting posts is fun :)


Ok, got it. No longer applicable. But I´m curious, are all of these names germanic units? They´re way too many to be faction germanic......maybe some of them are rebel germanic?No, this was an example of FAMILY names, not unit names.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
03-08-2005, 19:49
@ Aymar

A pensar que EU tava de ressaca....lol ~;) vou corrigir imediatamente.Também tenho direito, pá!! :grin:

Crownsteler
03-08-2005, 22:38
Ok, sure. Deleting posts is fun :)

Okey, you naughty, naughty little boy (6) :P

This is, unless I am very much mistaken, the latest screenshot we have of the sacred band:
http://img228.exs.cx/img228/4061/sacredband8df.th.jpg (http://img228.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img228&image=sacredband8df.jpg)
it might not be useful to you, but it sure feels good to post it :)

[edit]
I fished this one out of Prom's sig, it is a bit small and I had to filter out the red Prom added, so it isn't to great either :(

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/5641/sacredband24rw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 02:48
Plutarch clearly states that all the Carthaginian soldiers were equipped with white shields, that includes the Sacred band. This is a red shield with a silver embossement on it......also, an iron cuirass does not necessarily mean a muscular one. There are example of iron cuirasses even in Greece and Macedonia that do not follow the classic muscular bronze one.

Like this one (even if it is, in this case, too decorated):

http://www.solarnet.org/Travel/HEL/T25cuirass.jpg

Thoughts on this? Is this the final version?

BTW: Can someone help me identify the gaul units, over on....

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/561/53if.jpg

http://img173.exs.cx/img173/2834/49ce.jpg

......The Soldurii and the Milnaht Belgae I´m sure, but the rest are confusing me. Anyone care to take a shot at it?

khelvan
03-09-2005, 03:21
The Sacred Band you see above is not the final version, nor even the current one. They are pretty, though, eh?

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 04:01
Glad to hear it. Plz don´t let the red shield pass into your final version...you´ll make Plutarch roll in his grave. ~;)

Oh...

....And the Gallic units?

Represented in those screenshots are six different units or unit versions.

Type 1 -> Mail-clad soldier with a long spear and red shield

Type 2 -> Blonde fella with a sword and a light/dark blue shield and a green cape which looks like the now defunct southern warband

Type 3-> Blonde fella with oval shield divided in 4 sections (Green and Red), dark blue cape and sword

Type 4-> Ginger with a small round shield and some javelins.

Type 5-> Blonde fella with a Yellow/Green large shield, and some javelins.

Type 6-> Ginger with a large green shield, helmet and a sword

You gave us four names - Soldurii, Mala Gaeroas, Boii Botroas, Belgae Batacorii - and another had already been released, the Milhnat Belgae, in this case the Gallic skin of it. We´re still short of one name.
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Ranika provided some explanation for three of them....


Soldurii were elite warriors of the Aquitanii; Caesar mentions them by name. They varied in equipment (we've chosen to feature the more heavily armored Soldurii as a regional unit).


Boii Botroas carry long, one-handed swords, throwing javelins, and large shields. Botroas in this case are particularly the southern swordsmen


Mala (southern) Gaeroas (spear troops) are light infantrymen; they're the lightest southern infantry after militiamen. They use the Celtic longspear (really just about as long as a regular spear to others, Celtic short spears are very short), and javelins, as well as the large line infantry shields.
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Based on this information my guess is :

Type 1 - Soldurii
Type 2 - Boii Botroas
Type 3 - ????
Type 4 - Belgae Batacorii (simply because he is red-haired)
Type 5 - Mala Gaeroas
Type 6 - Milhnat Belgae

Your take on this? Who the hell are Type 3??? :help:

khelvan
03-09-2005, 06:38
Hehe, I guess you'll have to wait and see!

Keep in mind though, each of our units have different skins for different factions, where they can be recruited by multiple factions, and I know some of what you're asking about are Briton/Rebel/Gallic skins for the same unit.

Crownsteler
03-09-2005, 09:36
The Sacred Band you see above is not the final version, nor even the current one. They are pretty, though, eh?

They are incrediable, please keep the shield in tho! even if it isn't for the Sacred Band, then at least for some other Carthaginian soldiers! I (l) the shield :)

Oh, and the fella's with the blue shields are the Southern Warbands, or Mala Gaeroas as they are translated. It was, at least, this way in some very old topic, but it might have changed.

Skilfingr
03-09-2005, 11:30
Are the Goidilic Daernaght are really a germanic unit. Sounds more like a briton or gaulish unit.

Nice thread anyway.

Ranika
03-09-2005, 11:34
Goidilic units are regionals, not Germanics (and the Germanics, as it is, don't get them anyway).

Skilfingr
03-09-2005, 14:11
So it's as I thought. I was a bit confused, because they were listed as a germanic unit.

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 15:32
Sorry about that. I acidently placed them in the Germanic unit list when I meant to put them in the Gallic one.

Still I´m reading that it is not a faction specific unit......so I´m placing it in the Rebel/Mercenary section and recruitable by both of the Celtic factions. Is this ok to you?

Again, people, take a look at the thread and post on what you do not agree, wether it´s based on your history skills, opinion or somrthing you read around in the forum. Hell, sugest modifications on the structure or whatever. I´m more than willing to change anything here if you have a valid point.

@Khelvan

Oh.....c´mon......*speaks with a Dr.Evil accent* throw me a freakin´bone here!

Men, making this thread is like having a blind men drive a submarine, in the dark, facing back. :bigcry: *runs to his room crying over the fact that no one really apreciates him for what he is, and no one noticed his new hairdo*

jerby
03-09-2005, 18:15
lot of units for macedonia, very little units for seleucids. transfer? maye give seleucid some bactrians as well

Urnamma
03-09-2005, 18:57
The sacred band did wear a muscle cuirass, in the Greek style. Punic elite infantry certainly did this. The sacred band had white shields... at what time period. ~;)

TheTank
03-09-2005, 20:12
Sarcasm
I mis the Avernii Arjos for the Gallic faction.
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/AApic.jpg

They are really cool units

khelvan
03-09-2005, 20:21
Oh.....c´mon......*speaks with a Dr.Evil accent* throw me a freakin´bone here! So you're making a thread designed to, as best as possible, remove the element of surprise from our release (that we have worked to cultivate), and you want our help in doing so?

:inquisitive:

Naw, it doesn't hurt to have you post a bit of misinformation.

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 21:17
@ jerby

I was reluctant to give some of the units that belong to the mainland greek, to the Diadochi because I´m not sure that they used Hellenic units besides the core phalanx and the elite units. I´m pretty sure they used natives or mercenaries for auxiliary arms (i.e archers, slingers, light cavalry....).

Oh, the 2 Iranian units that have been released are common to Parthia, The Seleucid Empire and Baktria.....having said that I´m not sure what you mean about baktrian units....??? ~:confused:

@ Unramma

Muscled Bronze armour was used at Marathon in 490 BC,and at Chaeronea in 338 BC with basically the same look. Argive Shields remained largely unchanged until the 3rd and 4th centuries.....

Plutarch mentions large white shields at Crimissus, in339BC, and the game starts in 270 BC......I argued once that the band was disbanded after this battle, you and others argued otherwise, that there was evidence that these corps survived in the same fashion....so why is this argument applyable in some cases and not in others?

You have primary sources on white shields. I´m guessing you don´t on red shields with Bull/Lion combo. :book:

@ The Tank

I don´t think they aer going to be used anymore, they might have been replaced by the Soldurii........but I´ll put them up tonight.

I´ll also try to find the thread where Ranika placed an early Gallic unit list. :bow:

@ Khelvan

No I´m not. Everything here is either common sense (which is not the same as to say its accurate) or something you or your crew said or shown in the threads of the forum. I just pick them up and try to make something of the bits and pieces (which apparently I´m not even doing correctly).

What would be the harm in clearing something up that you have already released? ~:confused:

@ Conon394

Conon buddy.......how about those warships, hey? ~;)

conon394
03-09-2005, 21:18
Sarcasm

Sorry to not post last night (my kids were sick, ergo very busy night…)
I'll try to wrap up a post tonight, I was thinking of basically sort of posting my version of the list of ships you posted along with a few notes...

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 21:24
oh....I´m sorry, sucks to be sick. Hope they´re feeling better, take whatever time you want, i was just joking. ~;)

khelvan
03-09-2005, 21:40
No I´m not. Everything here is either common sense (which is not the same as to say its accurate) or something you or your crew said or shown in the threads of the forum. I just pick them up and try to make something of the bits and pieces (which apparently I´m not even doing correctly).Everything in the old screenshots threads was not intended as a public display of anything. It is the old place we used for critiquing our work. It is fair to say that almost everything in that thread will not be found as is.

As to the rest, while I appreciate what you're doing, you'll have to ask me specific questions, as I don't have time to go through the whole thread to try and correct any errors. There are plenty of other things to do, trust me ;)

Sarcasm
03-09-2005, 22:01
Everything in the old screenshots threads was not intended as a public display of anything. It is the old place we used for critiquing our work.
Well, I assumed you didnt have a problem with that. I guess I thought if you didnt want people to see it, you would delete or hide it (dunno if that´s possible, like in the restricted threads).


It is fair to say that almost everything in that thread will not be found as is.
So, why worry about it?


As to the rest, while I appreciate what you're doing, you'll have to ask me specific questions
Well, I thought I did. What are the names of those gallic units in the two screenshots?

khelvan
03-09-2005, 22:51
Well, I assumed you didnt have a problem with that. I guess I thought if you didnt want people to see it, you would delete or hide it (dunno if that´s possible, like in the restricted threads).Actually, that is a good idea...


Well, I thought I did. What are the names of those gallic units in the two screenshots?

Type 1 -> Mail-clad soldier with a long spear and red shield

Type 2 -> Blonde fella with a sword and a light/dark blue shield and a green cape which looks like the now defunct southern warband

Type 3-> Blonde fella with oval shield divided in 4 sections (Green and Red), dark blue cape and sword

Type 4-> Ginger with a small round shield and some javelins.

Type 5-> Blonde fella with a Yellow/Green large shield, and some javelins.

Type 6-> Ginger with a large green shield, helmet and a sword1 - Soldurii

2 - Boii Botroas

3 - Boii Botroas

(Same unit, different faction, I don't know which is which)

4 - This is a unit that will not be included in EB

5 - Gallic Mala Gaeroas

6 - I know who you are referring to, but I don't know who they are.

These pictures were never intended to be informational, they were only intended to show a small portion of the diversity of the Gauls.

Ranika
03-09-2005, 23:51
3 is just a Botroas, not the Boii regional version

Sarcasm
03-10-2005, 01:04
Thx guys. That wasn´t so hard was it? :bow:

Last, small, question...


(Type) 3 is just a Botroas, not the Boii regional version

So this means that number 3 is a Gallic specific faction, while Boii Botroas (Type 2) is a mercenary or a regional, recruitable by other factions?

Ranika
03-10-2005, 01:19
The Boii are special, superior Botroas, and are available to more than one faction.

Sarcasm
03-10-2005, 02:22
Thx for the reply m8. I´ll update the thread acordingly.

oh....prepare to be surprised by my incredible proto-germanic translations. Yeah, thats right. The language no longer holds any secrets from me! *evil laughter, thunder & lightning*







I apologize for that.

Sarcasm
03-10-2005, 04:20
The organizational system that I use for the units, isn´t working for the new recruitment system that EB is implementing. Particularly for the tribal barbarians......Any sugestions people?

Sheep
03-10-2005, 08:41
I could be wrong, or misunderstanding what you mean by "translation", but wouldn't Median Cavalry just mean something like "guys from Media who ride horses" or somesuch?

That or they are exactly in the middle of all the other cavalry units, somehow. OR they ride in a line that extends from the vertex of a triangle to the midpoint of the opposite side. OR they are guys that ride their horses in between the lanes of a freeway, I guess.

Cataphract_Of_The_City
03-10-2005, 15:42
Just a correction. It is doryphoroi, not doryophoroi.

Sarcasm
03-10-2005, 17:39
@ Sheep

I could be wrong, or misunderstanding what you mean by "translation", (...)
Well the intention of the "translation" line is to provide with an english version of the designation they´ll have in the native language of their respective factions. Median Cavalry in this case...

(...)but wouldn't Median Cavalry just mean something like "guys from Media who ride horses" or somesuch?
Or any these others...... ~;)

That or they are exactly in the middle of all the other cavalry units, somehow. OR they ride in a line that extends from the vertex of a triangle to the midpoint of the opposite side. OR they are guys that ride their horses in between the lanes of a freeway, I guess.
Is still in an English form, that´s why they´re marked with N/A.

@ Cataphract_Of_The_City

Just a correction. It is doryphoroi, not doryophoroi.
Fixed. Thx.

conon394
03-10-2005, 20:26
Sarcasm

An extended post on ships (a touch rambling I’ve been adding to it in little bits). I won’t comment of the barbarian ships as I don’t know much about them.

First, rather than think of the kataphraktos/aphraktos as armored, it’s probably better to see it as denoting a ship as fully decked or not fully decked.
In particular the way it was often used in navel inscriptions from the period was to separate out what you might call line of battle class ships (essentially fours and up) from smaller auxiliary galleys, whose oarsmen are not fully enclosed by a deck. The Trieres / Trireme (‘three’) are something of an odd duck for the period. The aphract version was used fairly often (along with the triemiolia) as the biggest kind of light galley, but the cataphract version seems to largely fallen out off favor.

A second division that is worth pointing out is that navies that intend to use skilled sailing and ramming generally did not deploy anything bigger than a ‘six’ for that purpose. The large ships while potentially overpowering due to massive amounts of artillery and marines, were very likely very much slower and more cumbersome and not really appropriate for the roll. By the same token only the Rhodians seem to have managed to still use something as small as a ‘four’ and still win against an equally sized fleet of ships bigger than ‘fives’.

Carthage is a tough nut, I’ve never really seen any info on how they described or rated ships (only what the Greeks and Romans called them)


So here is my extended take on ships

For Transport

Kerkouros
Trans: Not sure a Greek version of the Assyrian Qurqurru, a river boat.
Desc: A large merchant galley, used as a transport auxiliary by just about everyone with a navy in the Mediterranean: Persians, Carthaginians, Romans and the Successors.
Nations: Should really be one of two base units any Hellenistic or Roman power can build

For Pirates

Hemiolia (an Aphract)
Trans: One-and-a-half
Desc: A fast dikrotos (two-banked) galley and famous as the quintessential pirate ship. The name and is reputed use by pirates have been take to suggest the ship typically used both oars and sail, thus allowing in to catch a feeling merchant and outlast a warship that had been cleared for action (i.e. without it’s sails and rigging) in a chase. The One-and-a-half presumably means just before closing on a prize the aft section of the top rowers could quickly pull in their oars, lower what would probably a light mast and sail and then be ready to serve as boards.
Nation: Pirates

Oh, a single banked galley would be a Monokrotos.

Basic Units:

Lembos (an Aphract)
Trans: Skiff
Desc: A light galley that seems to have been developed by the Illyrians; It is what they are described as using for their raids and invasions in the 4th and 3rd centuries. It becomes very popular as a light unit in Hellenistic navies. The lembos was particularly favored by those states that needed a navy for transport or raiding, without really expecting to vie for control of the sea (for example Sparta under Nabis), since they seem to generally have been able to elude the bigger ship types. They generally seem to have carried a ram, but otherwise raged from 16 – 50 oars, in either one or two banks (presumably the ones with the higher number of oars were built with two oar banks).
Nation: Greeks, Successor Kingdoms, Carthage (perhaps myoparo here to make Carthage a bit different. The myoparo is usually described as a single banked pirate ship; Carthage built some as part of her emergency efforts for the 3rd Punic war)

An alternative light galley the pristis (shark) is often described with lemboi, although nothing suggests it was used in any different capacity.

Liburnian (an Aphract)
Trans: don’t think there is one; the ship takes its name from a tribe (?) of Illyrians.
Desc: Technically a late design, used mostly after the fact of Octavian’s victories made the Mediterranean an imperial roman pond. An aphract, two-banked galley it is roughly the equivalent of a lembos (sharing it’s origin in Illyria). At earlier times the Romans used lembos, but this gives them more individual flavor.
Nation: Romans

The Liburnian was as far as I know never built as a cataphract, it’s always an aphract. The Roman historians make poor use of official navel terms, when the imperial era authors say biremis they almost certainly mean a liburnian.

The Pentekonteros: Not really used by the 3rd century either original form (single bank of oars) or as a name. More common in this 3rd and later centuries seems to be things like lembos and myoparo.

Cataphract Types:

Pentereis (Official Roman usage was Penteres, but Latin authors typically use Quinquereme)
Trans: five
Desc: Generally across the Mediterranean and across the period, the mainstay of most battle fleets (well really to be accurate ‘fours’ and ‘fives’, but I don’t think that RTW really as enough exactness to bother with the distinction). A powerful and flexible galley, depending on how the ship is designed (with one two or three oar banks) these ships are cable of both the maneuver and ramming tactics of the earlier age of the trieres, or the artillery and boarding tactics of the large polyereis.

The ‘four’ would be very similar, but should really be seen as sort of the updated version of the trieres, really meant mostly for fast agile tactics, not boarding (at least not against the big ships). For example a Rhodian ‘four’ carried perhaps 20 or so marines, 6 archers, 1 or 2 catapult operators, not really all that many more than a Athenian trieres for the 4th century with only 14 marines and archers. A Roman ‘five’ of the first Punic war was loaded with some 120 marines. Given just how poorly the Carthy 'fives' fared against the corvus, I imagin the Carthagians crewed thier ships like the Athenians and Rhodians, and designed them for agility.
(Greek Tetrereis, Official Roman Quadrieres, or Quadriremes)

The Corvus, while very famous, it was also something of a flop as it very likely contributed to Rome loss of ships in rough weather. As far as I know Rome only used it to win two battles. The Roman fleet that won the final decisive battle of the first Punic war was in fact a fleet of fast ‘fours’ with well trained crews and no crows in sight. I just not it makes sense to make a special version of the ‘five’ for Rome with corvus unless you can reflect the increased chance of the ship sinking. As it is, I not really sure the ships even function or really exist in the game, just the crew, thus ship sinks when crew is dead and or trapped and cannot flee after battle.

Bigger Ships: For advancement I would just pick say the ‘ten’ as the upper limit and a ‘seven’ as an intermediate step.

Another more interesting option might be to add the super-galleys built during the 3rd century in the navels arms race between Successor kingdoms these ‘sixteens’ , ‘twenties’ were likely some kind of dual hulled or catatermaran like ship supporting really vas amounts of artillery and marines. They were also fairly tall making difficult for the normal cataphract type gallies to board them.

Others

I’d leave the trieres (trireme) out of the game with one exception the triemiolia (mostly for color). I’d say allow triemiolia to be built as sort of a deadend to the main development path. Maybe if you build “Anti-Piracy policy” or something.
The triemiolia was invented by the Rhodians to help with their anti-piracy policy: An aphract trieres, with (based on the name parallel) the same kind of rig as a hemiolia. With three oar banks and sails (and possible a lighter build than a normal trieres the triemiolia presumably, could catch a fast pirate with its own game, and with a larger crew and professional marines, could overwhelm the pirate or simply ram it. In terms of translation the Triemiolia is not three-and-a-half, but instead simpler version of the compound word made by combining trieres and hemiolia (apparently the longer form trieremiolia was used occasionally)

I see the same issue as with the corvus, there is simple so little meat on the bones of the RTW navel engine I just not sure it’s possible to get the right feel. Is there really room for a ship that can catch a hemiolia or a lembos and easily beat them, but flee from any big ship, and defiantly inferior to them (even a regular ‘four’ should overwhelm the triemiolia).

Sheep
03-11-2005, 03:05
Is still in an English form, that´s why they´re marked with N/A.

Well, now they are marked with N/A, anyway.

*edited out of existence along with Big John*
~D

Sarcasm
03-11-2005, 05:31
lol...right. They were marked with "???" but by mistake. If you check some other units that follow the same conditions, they´re marked with "N/A". Mea Culpa.


Got any sugestions on a new organizational system for the ground units, considering EB implemented a different recruitment system than Vanilla RTW. I don´t think the current is working completely. Maybe it´s just me.

Sarcasm
03-11-2005, 20:50
Where did all of the self-righteous opiniating bastards gone to, when I need them most? :help:

Steppe Merc
03-11-2005, 21:03
You talking about us? ~;) I can adress some things, but I'm only am envolved in Eastern units and factions.

Is still in an English form, that´s why they´re marked with N/A.
Some units may be left in English, if only because it's the easiest thing to do, or that translations don't always work as well as the English versions. At any rate, getting units done is usaully more important than the name, unless we can find the name easily.

Sarcasm
03-12-2005, 16:52
@ Steppe Merc

Well I meant all of the forum comunity...but hey, you´ll do fine ~;) . Thx for the Info.

@ Conon394

Sorry for taking some time to fix the warships, but i´ve been busy trying to figure out how the hell I´m gonna deal with this new recruitment system by myself (thx guys! ~;) ). I´ve figured out most of Gaul´s provinces which might help to pin point those regional units.

It will take some time to go through all that information and take what applies to the format of the Section. Expect an update today.

Sheep
03-12-2005, 22:10
Maybe you can just organize them by culture instead of faction? Like Celtic, Roman, Hellenic, Eastern (or whatever). So put all the Celtic units in one section, then in your description you can write who can recruit/hire them, and where.

Sarcasm
03-13-2005, 05:29
@ Sheep

I was thinking along similar lines....the only problem is that EB has made a new map, and although I can guess most of the "cities" names, for the regions it´s an entirely diferent thing. I don´t know if Merc hiring is set on a province level, or you can choose specific coordinates of the map.

They´ve also seemed to have changed to a primarly Tribe-oriented recruitment system (i.e Boii Botroas, Aquitanian Archers, Senone Slingers, etc....) espeacially for Gaul, Britannia and Germania, but also kept some of the old faction units (like the german archers). If I sound confused, that´s because I am. ~;)

Sheep
03-13-2005, 09:57
@ Sheep

I was thinking along similar lines....the only problem is that EB has made a new map, and although I can guess most of the "cities" names, for the regions it´s an entirely diferent thing. I don´t know if Merc hiring is set on a province level, or you can choose specific coordinates of the map.

They´ve also seemed to have changed to a primarly Tribe-oriented recruitment system (i.e Boii Botroas, Aquitanian Archers, Senone Slingers, etc....) espeacially for Gaul, Britannia and Germania, but also kept some of the old faction units (like the german archers). If I sound confused, that´s because I am. ~;)

So just say you assume they can only be recruited in areas controlled by the Blankityblankii tribe, right? You don't have to be super-specific, you're just guessing anyway.

The Stranger
03-13-2005, 20:13
oh my god this looks awesome

Steppe Merc
03-14-2005, 02:41
Maybe you can just organize them by culture instead of faction? Like Celtic, Roman, Hellenic, Eastern (or whatever). So put all the Celtic units in one section, then in your description you can write who can recruit/hire them, and where.
I really don't think cultures would work at all any more... because for example, many of the same peoples used by the Selecuids (who would be Hellenistic) were used by the Parthians (Eastern).
Just trying to give you some advice...

Sheep
03-14-2005, 10:13
I really don't think cultures would work at all any more... because for example, many of the same peoples used by the Selecuids (who would be Hellenistic) were used by the Parthians (Eastern).
Just trying to give you some advice...

Well the cultures of the units themselves remain. So even if you have Gallic mercenaries in Carthaginian armies, you can still put them under the 'Celtic' heading and just make a note that they are recruitable by Carthage.

Likewise if you have infantry (or whatever) of the local 'Eastern' culture used in Seleucid armies, you can still put them in the 'Eastern' heading with a note saying they are recruitable by the Seleucids.

Sarcasm
03-15-2005, 02:39
I might go for that.....let´s see... how about this format:

Ground Units:

CultureX:

*UnitY

(IMG)

Translation :
Description :
Equipment :
Recruitable by :
Recruitable in :


Maybe some of the categories can be thinned out......Equipment and where they´re recruited can be put in the description......What do you think?


BTW:

@ Conon394

Look I have placed some of your descriptions in the "Navies" section, but some of the things you wrote were your opinion on what ships should be in the game.....Can you make a a medium-sized description for every ship
I posted there? Don´t take this the wrong way, it´s just that its hard to adapt your texts, but I´m still totally thankfull for your cooperation. :bow:

Sheep
03-15-2005, 09:52
I might go for that.....let´s see... how about this format:

Ground Units:

CultureX:

*UnitY

(IMG)

Translation :
Description :
Equipment :
Recruitable by :
Recruitable in :


Maybe some of the categories can be thinned out......Equipment and where they´re recruited can be put in the description......What do you think?

'Translation' is not really totally necessary but it's cool, so I think it should be separate still.

I definitely think you could put 'Description' and 'Equipment' together... a phrase like "big hairy unarmored dudes with giant friggin' battle axes" would pretty much work for both, see?

I think you should leave the 'Recruitable By' and 'Recruitable In' as separate categories from Description since that is kind of the whole point of this rearrangement... to better describe the recruitment system. Or you could just make one category... 'Recruitment' or something.

So maybe

Translation :
Description : (incl. Equipment)
Recruitable by :
Recruitable in :

or

Translation :
Description : (incl. Equipment)
Recruitment :


Also, would be kinda cool to have links to where the different information comes from.

Sarcasm
03-15-2005, 19:35
'Translation' is not really totally necessary but it's cool, so I think it should be separate still.
I think this section is vital....for example, if I only put "doryphoroi", most people without basic greek wouldn´t know that it meant 'spearmen'. If I don´t have any description available the situation gets even worse.

I definitely think you could put 'Description' and 'Equipment' together... a phrase like "big hairy unarmored dudes with giant friggin' battle axes" would pretty much work for both, see?
My thoughts exactly. Agreed.

I think you should leave the 'Recruitable By' and 'Recruitable In' as separate categories from Description since that is kind of the whole point of this rearrangement... to better describe the recruitment system.
Right.

Also, would be kinda cool to have links to where the different information comes from.
This could prove problematic....not only it would be hard to find all this information again, I´m afraid that would encourage the admins to delete the older threads.

I can however make a section which would have links to the more basic news bulletins.


Any other thoughts?

conon394
03-15-2005, 20:16
Yes I can redo the post.
No offense taken

Sheep
03-16-2005, 11:14
This could prove problematic....not only it would be hard to find all this information again, I´m afraid that would encourage the admins to delete the older threads.

Well I tend to think they aren't jerks, I dunno why they would delete them, especially considering they are the ones that started most of those threads and they are also the ones who released the information in them. But if you are concerned then don't worry about it.


I can however make a section which would have links to the more basic news bulletins.

This would probably work in lieu of links for every unit. The pictures and info are nice but it's also cool to go and read the conversations about the different units.


Any other thoughts?

Just that I'm ready to see how this thread works with the new arrangemnent! If you need me to help do a section or something, let me know.

Sarcasm
03-16-2005, 19:19
Well, the new construction is under way......Just one thing missing- as I´m basing the new layout around ethnicity/culture, what would be the ones apropriate to be inserted here?

There are plenty:

Poeni, Latin, Italian, Celtic, Germanic, Thracian, Persian/Iranian, Iberic, Greek, Egyptian, etc....

So I think ones that are more general than these are in order, but not too general, we want to be mildly specific....

Thoughts?

Sheep
03-16-2005, 21:16
Well, the new construction is under way......Just one thing missing- as I´m basing the new layout around ethnicity/culture, what would be the ones apropriate to be inserted here?

There are plenty:

Poeni, Latin, Italian, Celtic, Germanic, Thracian, Persian/Iranian, Iberic, Greek, Egyptian, etc....

So I think ones that are more general than these are in order, but not too general, we want to be mildly specific....

Thoughts?

Well those look okay too me, it's only 10, or you could do like:

African (including both Carthage and Egypt as well as African mercs and regional units)
Roman (including other Italian units)
Celtic (including all the barbarian units from Gaul, Britain, Spain, and Galatia even though they are not all Celtic)
Germanic (including German faction units as well as Germanic mercs and regional units)
Other barbarians (including Dacia/Thrace/Sarmatia and all the other barbarian units found east of Germany)
Eastern (including part of Bactria... I hate the name "Eastern" though, makes me think of China/Japan, so yours might be better)
Hellenic (including the other part of Bactria)

...or pick different categories.

I don't think you have to do ACTUAL cultures or ethnicities, or else you are gonna have like 80 categories. I would be okay if you generalized somewhat, but it's your post. Do your thang.

The Stranger
03-17-2005, 17:52
what about Phoenician culture, Etruskian culture, Celtiberian culture,

Sarcasm
03-17-2005, 19:37
(Almost) Final Cuture List:


African (including both Carthage and Egypt as well as African mercs and regional units)

I Agree. But only Egyptian natives. Hellenic settlers should go elsewhere.


Roman (including other Italian units)

I believe Italians would be better (that would include the Latins as well as the Campanians, the Umbrians, the Samnites, the Etruscans, etc...)


Celtic (including all the barbarian units from Gaul, Britain, Spain, and Galatia even though they are not all Celtic)

Agreed, but the celtiberians were ethnically and culturaly closer to the Iberians than the celts, I also think that Iberian mercenaries justify a category on thier own.


Germanic (including German faction units as well as Germanic mercs and regional units

Agreed, but this will include all Northmen as well.


Other barbarians (including Dacia/Thrace/Sarmatia and all the other barbarian units found east of Germany)

Here I think Thracians should get their own....It would represent all 3 main groups of Thracians which Dacia is part of.

The Sarmatians and Scythians are a bt problematic....Maybe Steppe tribes? Or Nomad Tribes?


Eastern (including part of Bactria... I hate the name "Eastern" though, makes me think of China/Japan, so yours might be better)

Seems adequate to me. Or maybe I just can´t think of a better alternative. ~;)


Hellenic (including the other part of Bactria)

Agreed.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
So this is the list....

African
Celtic
Eastern
Germanic
Hellenic
Iberians
Italian
Steppe
Thracians

Thoughts?

In the meantime I´ll continue to complete the new conditions.

khelvan
03-17-2005, 19:50
That looks nice. You may wish to separate Punic/Carthaginian from Africa, and perhaps add a category for Indian units, but these suggestions are minor. Since it seems that "barbarians" on this list now basically comprise unknown tribes from northern Europe, the name could reflect this. You may wish to consider "near eastern" rather than "eastern."

Sheep
03-18-2005, 01:19
That looks nice. You may wish to separate Punic/Carthaginian from Africa, and perhaps add a category for Indian units, but these suggestions are minor. Since it seems that "barbarians" on this list now basically comprise unknown tribes from northern Europe, the name could reflect this. You may wish to consider "near eastern" rather than "eastern."

I would agree with Punic except that so many of their units will be from other cultures. It would be a really small category compared to the rest. Not that I am an expert or even know how many actual Punic units you are planning, but that's how it would seem to me. Same with Indian units, I dunno how many you are planning on, but I'm sure it would be very small compared to Celtic/Italian/Hellenic/Germanic et cetera. Maybe the tenth category can be "Other"? Heh.

Also agree with "Near Eastern", that works really well.


AND, thanks for your input Khelvan, I hope you don't see this thread as a threat! I think it will just be like a repository of press releases and information that has already been released along with a little fun speculation. At least I hope it stays like that.

Sarcasm
03-19-2005, 05:18
Hey guys! Sorry about the late reply. Having connection problems...screwed up my entire work on the thread twice! Made me want to make my monitor interface with the floor....:furious3:

Anyway....

On 'African':

That looks nice. You may wish to separate Punic/Carthaginian from Africa,
I think I know why you´re saying this. You´re thinking about asian phoenicians, right? But I´m gonna have to go with Sheep on this...

I would agree with Punic except that so many of their units will be from other cultures. It would be a really small category compared to the rest.
My thoughts exactly.

On 'Eastern':

You may wish to consider "near eastern" rather than "eastern."

Also agree with "Near Eastern", that works really well.
Here I seem to be outnumbered.... ~D ...still Near-East, somehow doesn´t include Baktrian and Eastern Persian territories, to me. That´s why I wanted just Eastern, so I could include (however injustly ~;) ) everything from Asia Minor all the way to the Hindu Kush.

On 'Thracian':

Here I found a slight "glitch" in this list. We need a name which includes the Bastarnae and the Illyrian tribes.....Balkanic???? ~:confused:

Maybe the tenth category can be "Other"? Heh.
Maybe this is the solution? I wanted as few categories as possible though.....





BTW: I know you two must have better things to do, than providing me with input for this thread, so.....


~:grouphug:

Thx

Sarcasm
03-19-2005, 05:29
Almost forgot...

@ Khelvan

Regarding Belgae Oppidiums......are you still keeping Nemetacum and Vesontio as 2 of 3 Belgae towns (the other being Samarobriva)? Aduataca and Durocortorum seem more obvious choices to me. Particularly Durocortorum, it was the second largest Oppidium in Gaul.....

Dont answer that if you think I´m pushing it... ~D

:bow:

khelvan
03-19-2005, 05:38
You will be happy to note that Atuatuca will be the city in Belgica Nervii. How did you know what cities we had before? We never released the detailed map ;)

The "Near East" does, in fact, include Persia.

Sarcasm
03-19-2005, 05:51
That was fast. :dizzy2:

You will be happy to note that Atuatuca will be the city in Belgica Nervii.
Well that´s one out of two. :bow: Still think Durocortorum should be there though.

How did you know what cities we had before? We never released the detailed map ;)
Well...I wasn´t going to tell you...but...I have special powers. Or maybe I just looked in the old forums. Or both. ~;)

The "Near East" does, in fact, include Persia.
Well that settles it then. 'Near Eastern' it is.

I´m also changing 'Steppe' to 'Eurasian Nomads'.

Is Balkan correct? Seems too modern or something.....

khelvan
03-19-2005, 06:05
That was fast. :dizzy2:

Well that´s one out of two. :bow: Still think Durocortorum should be there though.Well, one of Ranika or Psycho is going to have to address this. I don't have the knowledge of Gaul to do so.


Well...I wasn´t going to tell you...but...I have special powers. Or maybe I just looked in the old forums. Or both. ~;)Seriously, where did you see that? I am curious.

Sarcasm
03-19-2005, 06:17
Well I can´t point out a link if that´s what you mean. At least not without digging through the old forums for a couple of hours (which I will gladly help you, once I get a good night sleep...it´s 5AM here, and, well...let´s just say the night was kind to me...~;) ).

It was a thread which had what I thought were maps from the old previews section of the Official site (you know...the one where they showed the provinces names and all), with new bounderies lined out in red (though they were older than the Dead Moroz map preview you posted). It was a comparison between the vanilla and what you were doing. Some of the cities were crossed-over as well, and their respective replacements were there to.

Can´t remember who posted it either. ~:confused: Sorry.

Everything else I just researched. You´ll see what I mean once I start filling out the Gallic towns and tribes. I´m pretty good at picking up details.


Is it hot in here? :sweatdrop:

The Stranger
03-19-2005, 13:59
That looks nice. You may wish to separate Punic/Carthaginian from Africa, and perhaps add a category for Indian units, but these suggestions are minor. Since it seems that "barbarians" on this list now basically comprise unknown tribes from northern Europe, the name could reflect this. You may wish to consider "near eastern" rather than "eastern."

near easterners sounds ugly, what about the modern day name "middle easterners"

Sarcasm
03-19-2005, 15:18
@ Khelvan:

So, did you find that thread? If you need any help..... :bow:

Steppe Merc
03-19-2005, 15:59
~;)
near easterners sounds ugly, what about the modern day name "middle easterners"
Because that would be innacurate. The Sarmatians are "near easterners", but not Middle Easterners. Besides, Persia, Bactria and all that would be near Eastern. Besides, their nearer than China... so their Near Eastern. See? ~;)

The Stranger
03-19-2005, 18:13
yeah get it, but it still sounds ugly

Sarcasm
03-20-2005, 05:12
Well....it´s done. Expect updates on Briton units, siege Engines and general army descriptions in the next few days. Some of you should be surprised. ~;)

DemonArchangel
03-20-2005, 17:50
Shouldn't rome have its own seperate culture?

The Stranger
03-20-2005, 19:44
i think britons should be called Brythonic

Sarcasm
03-21-2005, 01:14
Shouldn't rome have its own seperate culture?
Why?


i think britons should be called Brythonic
If you are refering to the situations I use 'britons' you might be right, but the faction is called Britannia (in Latin anyway) and they are included in the Celtic factions.

Divinus Arma
03-21-2005, 01:21
Shouldn't rome have its own seperate culture?

Doesn't it? What would you call everything Roman? British culture?

khelvan
03-21-2005, 01:39
Yes, I would suggest a Latin or Roman culture as well ;)

Sarcasm
03-21-2005, 01:55
Don´t you think Rome already gets enough love as it is? ~:)

Sarcasm
03-21-2005, 05:18
New UPDATE on the Britannia´s unit list.....check it out.

Expect updates on Roman unit list and all new armies descriptions in the next days.

~:cheers:

Sarcasm
03-22-2005, 01:43
UPDATE: New Faction Armies general description

Enjoy :bow:

Sarcasm
03-28-2005, 00:35
As I am now an EB member, this thread is CLOSED. Unless someone wants to carry on the tradition ~;) . If someone is interested I´ll give you the entire thread texts.

:bow:

Teleklos Archelaou
03-28-2005, 02:31
Good idea to hand it over to someone if they feel like they want to do it Sarcasm. We're thrilled to have you.

alman7272
03-28-2005, 04:00
As I am now an EB member, this thread is CLOSED. Unless someone wants to carry on the tradition ~;) . If someone is interested I´ll give you the entire thread texts.

:bow:

all must be assimiliated...~;)

Sheep
03-28-2005, 11:39
As I am now an EB member, this thread is CLOSED. Unless someone wants to carry on the tradition ~;) . If someone is interested I´ll give you the entire thread texts.


Send 'em my way, I'll see if I have time to do this...

Sarcasm
03-28-2005, 17:07
Thread is changing it´s ownership, Sheep will now take over, as I´m now working directly with EB, and as such cannot provide information as you might understand, but hopefully I´ll drop by with some rumors. It´s been a great experience, Abraço.......Sarcasm.

Sargon of Akkad
03-29-2005, 17:40
Great job on the thread Sarcasm, its really come a long way since the first grainy pictures.

I was thinking of starting such a thread myself so you can imagine how relieved i was when i found someone had saved me the trouble ~;) . I was a bit dissappointed with it at first but now its perfect (even if it only gives a sketchy idea of the mod as a whole) ~:cheers:

Any information on what your new 'job' is?

Steppe Merc
03-29-2005, 18:55
Oh, I found a mistake. The Scythian Light cav, Aorsi, Dahae and Steppe Cavalry all have spears instead of swords as there second weapon.

sharrukin
03-29-2005, 20:00
Oh, I found a mistake. The Scythian Light cav, Aorsi, Dahae and Steppe Cavalry all have spears instead of swords as there second weapon.

Not a mistake, or I don't think so.

Dahae Skirmishers; Javelin and Spear
Dahae Cavalry; Spear and Bow
Sakae Horse Archers; Bow and Sword
Scythian Horse Archers; Bow and Sword
Parthian Horse Archers; Bow and Sword
Scythian Light Cavalry; Spear and Bow
Aorsi Riders; Spear and Bow
Steppe Cavalry; Spear and Bow
Gatae Horse Archers; Bow and Sword

I think that's all the missile armed eastern light horse units.
Don't know why anyone would get confused ~D

BTW could you E-mail me about what you came up with regarding the unit stats.

Steppe Merc
03-29-2005, 22:12
Yeah, but they're listed as having swords.

Sarcasm
03-30-2005, 01:47
I would correct it.....and believe me I´m very tempted to correct a whole LOT of things that are incorrect about this thread, but I won´t. That´s Sheep´s job now, if he wants it. I already sent the TXT files to him so hopefully he´ll reopen the Rumor Thread as quickly as possible and do a better job than I did.


Great job on the thread Sarcasm, its really come a long way since the first grainy pictures.

I was thinking of starting such a thread myself so you can imagine how relieved i was when i found someone had saved me the trouble . I was a bit dissappointed with it at first but now its perfect (even if it only gives a sketchy idea of the mod as a whole)

Any information on what your new 'job' is?

Looking back, I think I did an overall decent job at guessing, considering the ammount of info these guys let out.....so Thx. :bow:

BTW: I´m now the Building Coordinator among other things which are classified. ~;)

Sheep
03-30-2005, 09:56
I would correct it.....and believe me I´m very tempted to correct a whole LOT of things that are incorrect about this thread, but I won´t. That´s Sheep´s job now, if he wants it. I already sent the TXT files to him so hopefully he´ll reopen the Rumor Thread as quickly as possible and do a better job than I did.

I will be reopening it, doing a slight revamp and some minor corrections. I also have some other ideas which may turn out to be pretty cool. However I have been working a lot this week so I may not have time to reopen it officially until after this week's update (assuming there is one! heh).

The Stranger
04-01-2005, 14:36
are the Urban cohorts deleted, or only reduced in stats, and the late roman legionares existed i hope they aren't deleted

jerby
04-01-2005, 16:41
from teh screenies, urbans are out. but preatoriae will remain. screens from: early/late legionears, and early/late preatorians.

Sarcasm
04-02-2005, 04:08
There´s plenty more to it, than what I supposed in the Roman unit roster. So take these units as what they were at the time, WIPs.

Some will be removed, a significant number will be added as well.


BTW: this post is rapidly reaching 5000 views....6 days after it was closed! :bow:

Sheep
04-05-2005, 08:29
Okay, this thread should be up and running again in time for next Friday's update.

Sarcasm
04-05-2005, 17:56
I will await it anxiously.

Abokasee
05-01-2005, 20:48
heh eb team don't go giving the gauls most of the barbaian unique terriotroy units

:duel:

Steppe Merc
05-02-2005, 23:23
We won't... it's just what we've shown so far. This is no were near close to being finished (or accurate... ~;) ) and all factions get roughly the same amount of units.