****Troy: Total War****

[dark_shadow89]

Hi everyone,

Some modders (including sir jodi, bassv2, zenith darksea, skillman) are creating a mod based on the Trojan Wars, or to be more exact, the years leading up to it...when Agammemnon and Menalaus become kings of their respective nations, aptly named Troy: Total War.

The mod will incorporate historical (we have 3 historians, 2 of which specialise in the illiad, the odyssey) and mythical units, factions, etc...

Some factions include:
-Mycenae
-Sparta
-Troy
-Minoans
-Hittites
...plus many more, but they're a secret ~;)

Our team currently consists of 16 members, but we need more modelers and skinners (we currently only have 6 of these staff). Anyone who specialises in text files or audio would also be welcome.

Troy: Total War will be a total conversion. Here WIPs for you all to sample:
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/9858/troyarcher9so.jpg
http://img108.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img108&image=00057bv.jpg
though, obviously, they'll look much better finished.

Hope to hear lots of questions and/or applicants!!! :charge:

cheers, dark_shadow89

Our Forums: http://s9.invisionfree.com/Troy_Tot...php?showtopic=6
(A website, like RTR's will be up shortly...)

[Lonely Soldier]

Again wih this thread! Hope it doesn't get closed again...

Is this based on historical sources, or on that awful film?

[dark_shadow89]

Last ones got closed coz i forgot i already posted here :wall:, but i've smoothed things out with myrddraal, and i'm allowed to post this.

As to info about the mod, if u read the description, it says historical/mythical, so, that means info from the illiad, and some historical sources too. Nothing from the movie...

[dark_shadow89]

Our new website: www.troytotalwar.111mb.com

[The_Ferret]

I'm only posting so this wont die. It seems like a good mod.

[dark_shadow89]

Trust me, it's not gonna die...We got like 30 odd people working on it...it's alive and kicking! Check out the website and forums for more info...

[The_Ferret]

good to hear.

[Sundjata Keita]

we need more modelers and skinners (we currently only have 6 of these staff)

Hey quit stealing all the modellers and skinners, you have loads ~;)

[The_Ferret]

I'll have to second that, we only have one modeler and skinner.

[dark_shadow89]

:laugh4: sorry...

[Spoonfrog]

Troy: Total War was a mod waiting to happen. So many people have seen the movie "Troy" and the whole idea of the Trojan War is very well known. Perhaps this would explain why this mod has more eager recruits than mods that follow obscure themes like Asterix: Total War, etc.

[tutankamon]

Hi I would love to see some screenies ~D .... I wonder.. are you people planing on making real Minoan/mycenian/trojan building and temples??? because none of the buildings from Rome can be used ~;)

[Spoonfrog]

I am making the campaign map for this mod, and I can say we are currently working on new settlement models for the campaign map (the appearance of different factions' settlements on the campaign map).

With the new thread on editing buildings recently posted in the guides and tutorials section, I think it is certainly likely that this mod will include different buildings on the battle map but we are not really at that stage yet.

[warhero42]

We have no Screenshots at this time

[tutankamon]

Cool I can hardly wait... tell if there is anyway i can help :charge:

[X-Calator]

Hey, this is a must-see resource if you want the Mycenaeans to be accurate:

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/

The Greeks weren't wearing crested Corinthian helmets back in Trojan days. :D

[dark_shadow89]

Ummm, we know this...we have historians ya know...

[Spoonfrog]

Ok, here some screenshots of the campaign map (work in progress):

Please note that the britons you see in the screens below are only being used by me as the campaign map is being constructed and do not represent any particular faction in the final mod.

Overall pic of the campaign map with regions:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen9.jpg

Khalkidike, to the north of the Agean Sea, Mt. Athos on the right:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen1.jpg

The thracian river valleys:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen3.jpg

Some islands and the Hellespont:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen4.jpg

Mount Olympus:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen5.jpg

Modern Western Greece/Albania:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen6.jpg

Same, Ithaca and others:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen8.jpg

[Tulius Hostilius]

If someone wants to contribute here with historical or mythological information please do.

The history team of Troy Total War would really appreciate.

Like we are talking about the late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age we are always gathering new info and new sources.

We are opened minded to new ideas; links; reliable sources… et cetera…

[Adrian II]

If someone wants to contribute here with historical or mythological information please do. (..) We are opened minded to new ideas; links; reliable sources… et cetera…Count me in, but only to provide background information, sources, maps, lists, etcetera. I'm not working on the actual mod because I'm a zombie in that discipline. But the period interests me. Besides, this is my chance to see if my Monastery sticky for on-line resources works at all for people wanting to make a new mod.

Any questions regarding texts, visuals, maps, whatever - I'll try to work with you, hetairoi.



http://www.livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/herodotus.jpg

[Tulius Hostilius]

Adrian II,

Your monastery on-line resources are great! I use them! I already know some… but there are plenty…

Take a look to my personal site
http://www.geocities.com/tulius_hostilius/
in “Varia” there are some links, maybe some can be useful. the site is just my private hand note. The organization of the links is a mess.

Some of our latest discussions area about:
“Catapults” (you have already seen my post); “Amazons” (we have already decided that they are a faction; the issue is “Greek like or Scythian like?”); Dorians; Sea Peoples; use of cavalry; the use of the Scythian chariots…

I need info about the Albania/Serbia/Epirus area, and about Cyprus. Who lived there in the XIII century? Any theory?

Thanks heqetai!

And I like the “blind” man pic!

[Tulius Hostilius]

And I like the “blind” man pic!

Ups! is Herodotus!
When I saw the pic a thought that it was Homer!

[Adrian II]

My dear Tulius Hostilius, this is Homer:



http://www.luds.net/images/homer.jpg



Seriously though, I must have overlooked the Amazones in your list of factions. Are you sure you guys want to include mythical factions, and are you sure you won't end up including cool dragons and cute orks and a trailer called TROY AHOY! starring Daffy Duck?

Anyway, excuse my rant; thanks for the links you provided. Now, on to the business at hand.

What is the precise time span you want to cover? If you're looking for a period of about 200 years, I suppose it could be like 1400 - 1200 b.C. That includes the destruction of Knossos in 1337 b.C. (a date that may be completely up for grabs in the mod, of course) and the legendary Trojan War which according to research probably coincides with a major siege around 1200 b.C., as well as the great Aegean transmigration (ca. 1250 b.C.) caused by the rise of the Assyrians and the Phoenician city states.

If so, then you have room fort your Mycenaeans, Minoans and Hittites, for they are historic.

'Spartans' are a problem, however. They were Myceneans like the others, no need (or justification) to single them out in this period.

Trojans are an even bigger problem, because they were Greek-speaking like (the rest of) Homer’s Achaeans and there is some evidence they may actually have been remnants of the first Greeks who entered Anatolia and crossed the water into the (now) Greek mainland.

I can see argument coming: if we're going to include a horde of Amazones with huge, um, war chests, then why not a separate Trojan faction that is equally dubious?

Indeed, why not? ~D

The biggest problem are the Sea Peoples, about whom there must be as many theories as there are Egyptologists. They are mentioned during Mernepta (1220 b.C.) and Rameses III (1185 b.C.), but it is not clear whether they were local rivals of the Egyptians or raiders from places as far away as Anatolia or the Aegean islands.

Speaking of which: where are the Egyptians, my good Tulius? The period mentioned (which would coincide with the 18th and 19th Dynasties of the New Kingdom) would cover roughly the time of Thutmosis IV (1401 - 1391 b.C.) through Siptah (1204 - 1198 b.C.) and I promise you that their fights against the contemporaneous Hittites and Sea Peoples and possibly the expanding Mycenaeans (depending on the success of the Mycenaean faction player) would give the Egyptian player of your mod a good run for his Bronze Age money.


I need info about the Albania/Serbia/Epirus area, and about Cyprus. Who lived there in the XIII century? Any theory?No, just facts. ~;)

Dear Tulius, I bring good news! Starting with the Iron Age migrations of ca. 1250 b.C. the entire region from Slovenia to Epirus became the abode of the Illyrians. I am happy to inform you that (give or take a century, to be honest) during said period the area witnessed the establishment of the Kingdom of Illyria. Centered in Shkodra (Scutari), this kingdom was ruled – you’re not going to believe our good luck – by Iron Age warrior-kings for whom feuds and piracy were a fact of life, the first of whom was a certain Hyllus (‘The Star’) who reportedly kicked the bronze bucket in 1225 b.C.

Implicitly, of course, I am suggesting that you kick out the Amazones and bring in the fully historic Gyppies and the tentatively historic, invading-halfway-in-the-game-a bit-like-the Mongols-in MTW Illyrians instead. But it’s not my call and if you guys decide to go with the original plan, I won’t upset it. Just the occasional allusion to girls with bronze whatshallmecallits.

Oh, and I’m still working on Cyprus.

EDIT

It's not clear from your web site: have you guys already decided on your map, which excludes about everything outside of the modern confines of Balkans and Turkey? If so, I'll shape up.

If there is still room for change, however, the Phoenicians would be a nice addition. To give you an idea how they are tied in to the period 1400 - 1200 b.C. allow me to quickly copy an introduction from a good web site (http://phoenicia.org/index.shtml) about Phoenicians:


The Phoenicians of the Iron Age (first millennium B.C.) descended from the original Canaanites who dwelt in the region during the earlier Bronze Age (3000-1200 H.C.), despite classical tradition to the contrary. There is archaeological evidence for a continuous cultural tradition from the Bronze to the Iron Age (1200 -333 s.c.) at the cities of Tyre and Z araphath. In the Amarna age (fourteenth century B.C.) many letters to Egypt emanated from King Rib-Addi of Byblos, King Abi-Milki of Tyre, and King Zimrida of Sidon, and in other New Kingdom Egyptian texts there are references to the cities of Beirut Sidon, Zaraphath, Ushu, Tyre, and Byblos. Additionally there is a thirteenth-century B.C. letter from the king of Tyre to Ugarit, and a Ugaritic inscription has turned up at Zaraphath. Despite these facts showing that the coastal cities were occupied without interruption or change in population, the term "Phoenician" is now normally applied to them in the Iron Age (beginning about the twelfth century B.C.) onward when the traits that characterize Phoenician culture evolved: long-distance seafaring, trade and colonization, and distinctive elements of their material culture, language, and script.

The Phoenicians, whose lands corresponds to present-day Lebanon and coastal parts of Israel and Syria, probably arrived in the region in about 3000 B.C. They established commercial and religious connections were established with Egypt after about 2613 BC and continued until the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom and the invasion of Phoenicia by the Amorites (c. 2200 BC).

Other groups invading and periodically controlling Phoenicia included the Hyksos (18th century BC), the Egyptians of the New Kingdom (16th century BC), and the Hittites (14th century BC). Seti I (1290-79 BC) of the New Kingdom reconquered most of Phoenicia, but Ramses III (1187-56 BC) lost it to invaders from Asia Minor and Europe.

[Tulius Hostilius]

Adrian II,

Thanks for your input! I will try to respond to all your points.

And thanks for showing me Homer, but I was thinking in this guy, his most known homonymous:

http://www.springfield.k12.il.us/schools/southeast/pprojects/Greek%20myth%20fam%20pic/homer.gif

~D

The mod is Iliad based, or better, Homer based. With "some" historical accuracy, and when historical data fails (and you know that sources sometimes fail in the Late Helladic) we will go after some Greek, non fantastic, mythology. This was a Team Decision. To change all that I said here, we have also some remains of a previous mod version which was mostly based in the movie “Troy”!

We already have a map in development:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26751

as you can see Egypt and Phoenicia will not be included. I have some doubts about Cyrpus. Could it belong to the Sea Peoples? What’s append there after Kadesh (1288)?
After 1400 there was there a “Asy” kingdom, and Thutmosis III controlled the island, or parts of it (?).

And we have here the faction list:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26505
(the faction list is still in development)

The campaign will start somewhat 1300 to 1250, believing in the destruction of Troy in circa 1270 or circa 1250 (so in Egypt we would have Ramesses II). And can be prolonged at most until the end of the Dark Ages (to 776 – First Olympic Games).

We do have Spartans. Not the latter Dorian Spartans, but the Mycenaeans Spartans.

So the Mycenaeans will be divided in numerous factions.

We will have Minoans. The Minoans are a bit out of our timescale, believing in the theory that the Mycenaeans took military Knossos circa 1450. But the team decided to introduce them in flavours and variety sake.

The Sea Peoples are a mystery to me. And as I believe to the experts in the filed. But we must have to find a way. It’s certain that they will be mercs. We are unsure about them as a faction.

The Dorians! Ah! The eternal Dorian question! We most certain will go after the old theory always refreshed of Desborough (1964), Rutter (1975, 1990), Winter (1977), and others. Probably we will have the Dorians in the north-western Greece.

The Albania/Serbia/Epirus area: I am not sure about the Illyrians. Frankly I do not have reliable sources. And the ones I have say that they came a bit later.
Can you give me sources on this?

Unfortunately the RTW engine doesn’t allow the appearance of new factions, like the Mongols in MTW.

[Tulius Hostilius]

I forgot!

And about Homer! With no pictures, I have here an article from “The Oxford Companion to Classical Civilization”, by M. M. Willcock:

http://www.geocities.com/tulius_hostilius/homer

It is simple and concise (it’s somewhat introductory). It was very good to me; it allowed me to remind some forgotten issues.

[Adrian II]

With no pictures, I have here an article from “The Oxford Companion to Classical Civilization”, by M. M. Willcock:

http://www.geocities.com/tulius_hostilius/homerI read Homer's Iliad and most of his Odyssee in Greek when I was in school, but it can't hurt I suppose.
The mod is Iliad based, or better, Homer based. With "some" historical accuracy (..)Now you tell me! ~D

Bummer. I honestly thought this was meant to be a historical mod, i.e. one which stuck to the (known) historical context as much as is possible within the framework a fun computer game. As you can see in this web article (http://www.archaeology.org/0405/etc/troy.html) by the director of the most recent spate of Troy excavations, Manfred Korfmann, there are still many intricate issues with the historicity of the Iliad. Their latest finds certainly justify your idea to make Troy (as a huge regional power house) the center of your mod.
I have some doubts about Cyrpus. Could it belong to the Sea Peoples? What’s append there after Kadesh (1288)? After 1400 there was there a “Asy” kingdom, and Thutmosis III controlled the island, or parts of it (?).Thutmosis III's claim dates back to ca. 1500 b.C. and doesn't have any follow-up, either in Egyptian sources or in Cypriotic sources and finds. I'm working on the question what can and what cannot be said. Mycenaean influence was dominant in both Crete and Cyprus at the time, that is a certainty. The 'Sea Peoples' made inroads as well, but that doesn't make them any less mysterious.
The Albania/Serbia/Epirus area: I am not sure about the Illyrians. Frankly I do not have reliable sources. And the ones I have say that they came a bit later. Can you give me sources on this?Their heydey of course came much later (4th century b.C.) but it seems there are clear indication of their presence around 1300 b.C. in the area of your map. I have a computer problem at the moment (I am writing this from work) and it will take a few days to clear it up. I'll work on Illyria and Cyprus though.
:bow:

EDIT

There's an interesting discussion of Korfmann's views between an opponent of his and two of his supporters in Volume 108.4 (http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/108.4/i_toc.html) (october 2004) of the American Journal of Archaeology.

[dark_shadow89]

Who likes screenies? They're here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=27616

cheers, dark_shadow89

[Adrian II]

We do have Spartans. Not the latter Dorian Spartans, but the Mycenaeans Spartans. So the Mycenaeans will be divided in numerous factions.Oh good, because with Dorian Spartans around 1300 b.C. you would definitely be in Lalaland. The main Mycenaean factions would be Mycena, Pylos and Thebe I suppose? Knossos would qualify as well because by that time Crete was 'Mycenaean' ('Mycenaean-Minoan' is the term preferred by some scholars on the basis of intricate pottery issues), but I see you have decided to go with the 'original' Minoans. Anyway, as long as Idomeneus and his brother/charioteer Meriones are in the mod I think you're in the clear.

I have given up on the Illyrians because there is no definitive material for the period that would justify their inclusion in the game. King Hyllus is legendary (cf. Herodotos, Pausanias) and the supposed year of his death (1225 b.C.) is tenuous. What I found out about excavations and textual remnants was rather disappointing I'm afraid. No palatial civilisation to be found anywhere, only passing references to warlike tribes and pirates. On the whole it seems Albanian archaeology has little to show for apart from highly politicised views on their prehistoric Illyrian 'roots'. Since they wouldn't be (militarily) relevant to the game anyway I've decided I'd rather not go there and stick with Cyprus.

Cyprus is interesting because there has been a host of fruiful excavations on the island lately confirming the existence of a powerful kingdom around 1300 b.C. coinciding with what Egyptian sources call 'Aleshya'. I'm working on it, but what I've seen until now would definitely justify their inclusion in the mod.
The Sea Peoples are a mystery to me. And as I believe to the experts in the filed. But we must have to find a way. It’s certain that they will be mercs. We are unsure about them as a faction.The only thing that seems certain from recent excavations and their interpretation is that the Philistines definitely belonged to the 'Sea Peoples'. I could look into that if you want.

[Adrian II]

Here are some preliminary results for Cyprus. If you think they look promising I will delve into libraries to get details.

1. In the Late Bronze Age (LBA), also know as Late Cypriot I,II, and II (generally dated from 1600 to 1175 b.C.) Cyprus was a palace-based kingdom centered on the citadel of Enkomi (south-west of present-day Salamis) and based on the lucrative trade in copper which was mined in the Troodos foothills. Around 1175 b.C. most of the main settlements were destroyed, possibly by the elusive ‘Sea Peoples’.


Here is a map with the main settlements in LBA Cyprus:

http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/amulets/cypruscopper/images/Cyprusmap-named%20small.jpg


2. Cyprus was wealthy, powerful and influential in the LBA, as had always been suspected by scholars on the basis of the ‘Tell el-Amarna letters’ found in Egypt. These letters are diplomatic in content and indicate mutual respect and friendship between the rulers of Egypt and those of ‘Aleshiya’. Recent petrographic analysis (http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/107.2/yuval_goren_shlomo_b.html) has proven beyond doubt that Cyprus and Aleshiya are identical. The provenance of the cuneiform ‘Amarna letters’ is either Kalavasos or Alassa, both on Cyprus. Other major settlements on the island were also located near the copper sources and smelting workshops: Kition (Larnaka), Kouklia (Palaeopaphos), Hala Sultan Tekke (near Larnaka), etcetera.

3. From ca. 4000 b.C. on Cyprus furnished copper to the entire Mediterranean world. The Old Testament ‘Isles of Chittim’ are a reference to Kition, along with Tamassus the best known copper trading station at the time. Cypriotic copper has been found in the Levant, North Syria, Assyria, Egypt, Ugarit, the Palestine, Rhodes, Melos, Thera and Crete, and in return large amounts of goods from those regions have been found on Cyprus, probably as a result of their exchange against copper.


Amarna-letter EA40 from the Minister of Cyprus to the Minister of Egypt:

My brother, to Sumitti I have sent
nine talents of copper, two elephant tusks,
one shipload of wood;
but he has given
me nothing. So send thou now
ivory, my brother.
Now, as a present for thee, I have sent
five talents of copper, three talents of good copper,
one elephant tusk, one piece of box-wood,
and one shipload of wood.
After 1400 b.C. enormous amounts of Mycenaean pottery were used on Cyprus, but the idea that this was the result of Mycenaean settlement or conquest have been discarded because no other significant remnants of Mycenaean settlement during LBA have been found anywhere on the island.

4. Cypriotic copper was melted into oxhide ingots (http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/amulets/cypruscopper/AncCyp-Cu-05.html) of ca. 10 kilogram that were used as an international monetary unit throughout the Eastern Mediterrranean in the LBA. You might consider using them as the currency unit in the mod.


Picture of ingot:

http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/amulets/cypruscopper/images/AN1927.1218-side2.jpg


5. Information on LBA Cypriotic military affairs is scant. However, this much is sure:

-- The island had its own fleet

-- Cypriot LBA settlements were (re)built on a rectangular grid plan: a series of parallel east-west avenues and a perpendicular main street. Most cities were walled. Enkomi (http://www.gla.ac.uk/archaeology/resources/EOLSS/images/Figure3a.gif) was a citadel of ca. 400 by 350 metres enclosed by massive walls (as ‘Cyclopean’ as those of Mycene, according to one archaeologist) with square towers at regular distances and four gates. The gates in Cypriotic city-walls corresponded to the grid axes and had grand buildings along the main streets. Official buildings were embellished by ‘ashlar’: finely cut stone blocks on the facades. Sanctuaries contained ashlar-finished horned altars harking back to Minoan times.


LBA horned altar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Pigadhes.jpg

-- Cypriot warriors wore small round shields and horned helmets, little or no body armour, and bore spears with wide-bladed spear-heads which, in the older literature, are often mistaken for ‘swords’. Statuettes of Cypriotic gods are without a doubt antropomorphous and can be taken as exemplary for a warrior’s equipment:


LBA Statuette of bearded god:

http://www.ub.uio.no/uhs/ombibl/Sophus/Utstillinger/Arkeologi/Bilder/11.jpg

Cypriot spearheads:

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~semitic/hsm/PrepJpegs/CypCopperSpearheads.jpg

-- Around 1200 b.C. they also began to bear swords. There have been 9 finds of the so-called Naue Type II sword (http://www.eclectichistorian.net/Griffzungenschwert) or ‘raider-sword’ of Mycenaean origin, and Cyprus’ position as a main trading partner of the Mycenaean mainland makes it probable that these were in use by Cypriotic noblemen around 1200.


Naue Type II sword

http://www.eclectichistorian.net/Griffzungenschwert/NaueTypeII.JPG

-- The Cypriots had chariots. In Amarna letter EA35 the Cypriot king writes to his ‘brother’ the king of Ugarit:


Speak to the King of Egypt, my brother. Thus says the King of Alashiya, your brother: All goes well with me. With my houses, my wife, my sons, my chief men, my horses, my chariots, and in my lands, it is well. And with my brother may it be well. With your houses, your wives, your sons, your chief men, your horses, your chariots, and in your lands, may it be very well.
The gradual appropriation of Mycenaean customs makes it probable that Cypriotic charioteers rode in couples, of which the main warrior bore spears and bows.
Four-horse chariots appeared on Cyprus only in the Iron Age, i.e. after 1000 b.C.

-- Names of prominent Cypriots of the period as far as we can reconstruct them from the sporadic sources: Pastumme, Kunea, Etilluna, Usbarra, Belsamma.

[Tulius Hostilius]

Adrian II,

Thanks!
I am wordless! I am amazed!
Let med digest this material. And take a look to the consequences.

[Tulius Hostilius]

This info, and theses links (of various reliable sources) about the “Aleshya” kingdom are really a gift! Thanks again!

I totally agree with you, it worth’s the research, and it worth’s the inclusion as a faction. I will endeavour in the mod team to include it.

That pic is from the University of Oslo: The LBA statuette of a bearded god is truly impressive!! – do we have an approximate date for the statue? (That site is all in Norwegian!!).

And I am impressed with the correspondence between Aleshya and Egypt. The translation uses the word brother. That seams to indicate an equal treatment between sovereign kings.

About the Illyrians… well I had my reserves, but who can we put in that area as rebels? Sooner or later we will need some names. Maybe we can’t have a better name.

[Spoonfrog]

Ok some more campaign screens...

Euboia:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen10.jpg

The Pelopennese:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen11.jpg

Greek Islands:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen12.jpg

Cyprus:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen14.jpg

Rhodes:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen15.jpg

Lesbos/Khios:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen16.jpg

Sea of Marmara and Troy:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen21.jpg

Crete:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen22.jpg

South of Troy:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen23.jpg

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These last three are WIP shots, I haven't finalised this area yet...

Lake 'Tuz Golu', Asia Minor:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen24.jpg

Northern coast of Asia Minor:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen25.jpg

Kussara, on the banks of the Kizil river:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vingilot/sicily/troy/screen26.jpg