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Hetman
05-21-2004, 08:31
XVI-XVII research

Please post there information about provinces e.g. income, trade goods,
resources, titles ( stats and why), religion.

+ You can add titles for certain factions ( linked to buildings)- what stats and why, what building and why.

BUT NO UNITS, PLEASE.

Regards Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

Eastside Character
05-29-2004, 16:13
Crimean Khanate



Titles

Loyalty
Acumen
Dread
Command
Piety
- - - - -
Kalgay - traditionally the younger brother of Khan would bear this title, the bearer was recognized as a crown prince
- - - - -
L 1
A 1
D 1
C 1
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Nureddin - the Khan's son (or his youngest brother) would bear this title, the bearer was recognized as the second crown prince
- - - - -
L 1
A 1
D 1
C 1
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Kuban - governor and military commander of Kuban province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Bucak - governor and military commander of Bucak province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Yedisan - governor and military commander of Yedisan province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Tyryn Bei - a kind of chancellor
- - - - -
L 1
A 0
D 2
C 3
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -
Aktacy Bei - a kind of constable
- - - - -
L 1
A 0
D 2
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Ulug Aga - crimean version of turkish Vizier title, considered the most important minister and representative of the Khan
- - - - -
L 4
A 1
D 2
C 2
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Effendi of Divan - a kind of chamberlain
- - - - -
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Grand Mufti of Bahcesaray - a title corresponding in its stats to Archbishop title
- - - - -
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 4
building: Grand Mosque
- - - - -


Names

Dawlat Girai
Islam Girai
Mohammed Girai
Ghazi Girai
Sahib Girai
Fath Girai
Selim Girai
Salamat Girai
Janibeg Girai
Hajji Girai
Bahadur Girai
Murad Girai
Adil Girai
Saadat Girai
Nur Dawlat Girai
Mengli Girai
-------------------> all above names are royal
Dawlat Mirza
Islam Mirza
Mohammed Mirza
Ghazi Mirza
Sahib Mirza
Fath Mirza
Selim Mirza
Salamat Mirza
Janibeg Mirza
Hajji Mirza
Bahadur Mirza
Murad Mirza
Adil Mirza
Saadat Mirza
Nur Dawlat Mirza
Mengli Mirza
Hajji Mirza
Inayat Mirza
Haidar Mirza
Shahin Mirza
Maqsud Mirza
Qaplan Mirza
-------------------> the highest aristocracy
Jabbar Bei
Berdi Bei
Urus Bei
Timur Bei
Keldibeg Bei
Khidr Bei
Sahib Bei
Hajji Bei
Saadat Bei
Inayat Bei
Haidar Bei
Mengli Bei
Adil Bei
Maqsud Bei
Shahin Bei
Dawlat Bei
Nur Dawlat Bei
Qaplan Bei
Kirim Bei
Halim Bei
Arslan Bei
Safa Bei
Tokhtamish Bei
Ahmad Bei
Sayyid Bei
Murtada Bei
Azia Bei
Tuhai Bei
Murid Bei
Abdullah Bei
Pulad Bei
Jalaluddin Bei
Kebeg Bei
Shadibeg Bei
Islam Bei
Ibrim Bei
Bulak Bei
Set Bei
Sejt Bei
Khazan Bei
Orda Bei
Selim Bei
Kirman Bei
Udai Bei
Canbek Bei
Emin Bei
Yavuz Bei
Tolui Bei
Hafsa Bei
Yalbak Bei
Uluh Bei
Sahin Bei
Sefer Bei
Cirmit Bei
Kasim Bei
Pursuant Bei
Yadigar Bei
Canybuyluk Bei
Azak Bei
Kasim Bei
Mahmud Bei
Dervish Bei
Saray Bei
Halil Bei
Ibrahim Bei
Dalyan Bei
Nurdewlet Bei
Satilgan Bei
Abadai Bei
Avgan Bei
Ismail Bei
Abur Bei
Ata Bei
Kara Bei
Hatab Bei
Mukhrak Bei
Ali Ismail Bei
Mustafa Bei
Suleyman Bei
Kantimir Bei
Rubai Bei
Temruk Bei
Temilik Bei
Kazman Bei
Djiragei Bei
Azainet Bei
Azamel Bei
Bairas Bei
Ghazi Bei
Berkei Bei
Ahmad Bei
Selim Ahmad Bei
Nughai Bei
Kipchak Bei
Masud Bei
Yalbay Bei
Qayit Bei
Kilij Bei
Faraj Bei
Shaban Bei
Inal Bei
Lachin Bei
Jaqmaq Bei
Kujuk Bei
Aybak Bei
Kuchuk Bei
Qansawh Bei
Khalil Bei
Mirsaid Bei
Khazbii Bei
-------------------> tribal nobility
Jabbar Aga
Berdi Aga
Urus Aga
Timur Aga
Keldibeg Aga
Khidr Aga
Sahib Aga
Hajji Aga
Saadat Aga
Inayat Aga
Haidar Aga
Mengli Aga
Adil Aga
Maqsud Aga
Shahin Aga
Dawlat Aga
Nur Dawlat Aga
Qaplan Aga
Kirim Aga
Halim Aga
Arslan Aga
Safa Aga
Tokhtamish Aga
Ahmad Aga
Sayyid Aga
Murtada Aga
Azia Aga
Tuhai Aga
Murid Aga
Abdullah Aga
Pulad Aga
Jalaluddin Aga
Kebeg Aga
Shadibeg Aga
Islam Aga
Ibrim Aga
Bulak Aga
Set Aga
Sejt Aga
Khazan Aga
Orda Aga
Selim Aga
Kirman Aga
Udai Aga
Canbek Aga
Emin Aga
Yavuz Aga
Tolui Aga
Hafsa Aga
Yalbak Aga
Uluh Aga
Sahin Aga
Sefer Aga
Cirmit Aga
Kasim Aga
Pursuant Aga
Yadigar Aga
Canybuyluk Aga
Azak Aga
Kasim Aga
Mahmud Aga
Dervish Aga
Saray Aga
Halil Aga
Ibrahim Aga
Dalyan Aga
Nurdewlet Aga
Satilgan Aga
Abadai Aga
Avgan Aga
Ismail Aga
Abur Aga
Ata Aga
Kara Aga
Hatab Aga
Mukhrak Aga
Ali Ismail Aga
Mustafa Aga
Suleyman Aga
Kantimir Aga
Rubai Aga
Temruk Aga
Temilik Aga
Kazman Aga
Djiragei Aga
Azainet Aga
Azamel Aga
Bairas Aga
Ghazi Aga
Berkei Aga
Ahmad Aga
Selim Ahmad Aga
Nughai Aga
Kipchak Aga
Masud Aga
Yalbay Aga
Qayit Aga
Kilij Aga
Faraj Aga
Shaban Aga
Inal Aga
Lachin Aga
Jaqmaq Aga
Kujuk Aga
Aybak Aga
Kuchuk Aga
Qansawh Aga
Khalil Aga
Mirsaid Aga
Khazbii Aga
-------------------> lesser military commanders
No surnames.


Regards,
EC

Edit1:I'll be updating this post later -----> eg. stats for office titles.

Edit2:Added statistics.

Edit3:Added building associations.

Eastside Character
06-01-2004, 18:32
Quote[/b] (Hetman @ May 21 2004,02:31)]1. titles ( stats and why)

2. + You can add titles for certain factions ( linked to buildings)- what stats and why, what building and why.
1. If you need any further explanations for the provided stats, i can provide them. I just didn't want to go too much into details.

2. What buildings there will be? Since there's no (finalized) tech tree for buildings yet, no links to buildings (yet).

Regards,
EC

Hetman
06-02-2004, 08:41
Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ June 01 2004,12:32)]
Quote[/b] (Hetman @ May 21 2004,02:31)]1. titles ( stats and why)

2. + You can add titles for certain factions ( linked to buildings)- what stats and why, what building and why.
1. If you need any further explanations for the provided stats, i can provide them. I just didn't want to go too much into details.

2. What buildings there will be? Since there's no (finalized) tech tree for buildings yet, no links to buildings (yet).

Regards,
EC
Use the present tecHtree, although non-producers if possible+ royal court, estate, baronial court and so on.

Thanks
Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

SwordsMaster
06-02-2004, 11:20
Just about buildings and unit-building:

Encamisados should be allowed to be produced as soon as arquebusiers are. And arquebusiers should be available even if musketeers are available, coz they are excellent skirmishing troops.

Another thing: Some provs at this stage were famous for their iron, such as Damascus or Toledo, are we going to give them asy special bonuses?


Regards.
SM

Hetman
06-02-2004, 14:43
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 02 2004,05:20)]Another thing: Some provs at this stage were famous for their iron, such as Damascus or Toledo, are we going to give them asy special bonuses?


Regards.
SM
Yes, I think so, but probably rather to income.

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Eastside Character
06-02-2004, 18:18
Polish Office Titles

- - - - -
Hetman Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Hetman
L 3
A 0
D 1
C 3
P 0
building: Military Academy
- - - - -
Hetman Polny Koronny Royal Field Hetman
L 2
A 0
D 1
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Hetman Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Hetman
L 3
A 0
D 1
C 3
P 0
building: Military Academy
- - - - -
Hetman Polny Litewski Lithuanian Field Hetman
L 2
A 0
D 1
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Nadworny Litewski Lithuanian Court Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Kanclerz Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Chancellor
L 2
A 3
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -
Marszalek Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Nadworny Koronny Royal Court Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Kanclerz Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Chancellor
L 2
A 3
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -

Regards,
EC

Hetman
06-04-2004, 10:04
Great work EC

It seems this is going to be the first mod which uses so many titles, or actually more than in the vanilla MTW

I have suggestions, though.

First of all - the Hetmans - they are too powerful I think ( 3 command)
I implemented the titles to the NTW and I decided to use command 2 for Grand Hetmans and command 1 for field ones, in addition I added 1 point of acumen forr all of them - they were supposed to be rich enough to provide some cash for recruitment untill the Sejm provided money from wartime-taxes.

And I have two more ideas

1. replace the Archbishop of Krakow with Prymas and Interrex of Poland from 'high'.
L - 1
A - 2
D - 1
C - 0
P - 3

2. add Marszalek of Sejm of Rzeczypospolita
L - 4
A - 1

I think we need to use some political structures ( Parliament fot example) - this way some countries would be democratic, tolerant, absolutic or despothic for example.

BTW - I don't think we should give Admirality to Poland.

Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Dead Moroz
06-07-2004, 22:06
Russian names and titles for that period of history.

// russian forenames
[Sviatopolk] {Ivan} // names
[Ysevolod] {Vasiliy} //
[Yuri] {Fiodor} // of
[Mikhail] {Mikhail} //
[Aleksei] {Aleksey} // tsars
[Andrei] {Boris} //
{Igor}
[Boris] {Andrey}
[Buiak] {Gleb}
[Chernek] {Piotr}
[Chort] {Alexandr}
[Dmitrii] {Dmitriy}
[Domaslav] {Kirill}
[Domazhir] {Yuriy}
[Drozd] {Afanasiy}
[Grechin] {Martyn}
[Grigorii] {Grigoriy}
[Guba] {Malyuta}
[Iosif] {Yakov}
[Ivan] {Makar}
[Kisel] {Kuzma}
[Kozel] {Simeon}
[Kuritsa] {Konstantin}
[Maksim] {Maksim}
[Mal] {Iliya}
[Mil] {Pafnutiy}
[Miloslav] {Danila}
[Miroslav] {Savva}
[Mixail] {Nilolay}
[Nezhek] {Elisey}
[Nikita] {Nikita}
[Orekh] {Oleg}
[Pavel] {Pavel}
[Radoslav] {Gavrila}
[Sbyslav] {Foma}
[Shchuka] {Efim}
[Shuba] {Kondrat}
[Sidor] {Sidor}
[Stanimir] {Frol}
[Stepan] {Stepan}
[Tvorimir] {Ermak}
[Vasilii] {Emelian}
[Vladimir] {Vladimir}
[Voislav] {Ignat}
[Volchok] {Prokhor}
[Yaroslav] {Timofey}
[Zaiats] {Demian}
[Zavid] {Luka}
[Zhiroslav] {Erofey}
[Zhiznobud] {Zakhar}
[Zub] {Roman}

// russian surnames
//surnames of heirs became generals:
//Ryurikovich - XV-XVI centuries
//Romanov - XVII century
[Alekseev] {Alekseev}
[Andreev] {Andreev}
[Boldin] {Boldin}
[Buiakov] {Kurbskiy}
[Chernekov] {Vorotynskiy}
[Chortov] {Chort}
[Dmitriev] {Dmitriev}
[Domaslavov] {Gryazniy}
[Domazhirov] {Glinskiy}
[Drozdov] {Drozdov}
[Grechinov] {Grechin}
[Grigoriev] {Grigoriev}
[Gubin] {Gubin}
[Iecifovich] {Fiodorov}
[Ivanov] {Ivanov}
[Ivanovich] {Shuyskiy}
[Kiselev] {Kiselev}
[Kozlov] {Kozlov}
[Kuritsev] {Kuritsa}
[Kuz'mich] {Golitsyn}
[Maksimov] {Maksimov}
[Malov] {Skopin-Shuyskiy}
[Mikhailovich] {Adashev}
[Miloslavov] {Tatishchev}
[Milov] {Milov}
[Miroslavov] {Krivoy}
[Nezhkov] {Chorniy}
[Nikitin] {Nikitin}
[Orekhov] {Orekhov}
[Pavlov] {Pavlov}
[Radoslavov] {Rubliov}
[Sbyslavov] {Sanin}
[Semenov] {Semenov}
[Shchukin] {Shchuka}
[Shubin] {Shubin}
[Sidorov] {Sidorov}
[Stanimirov] {Basmanov}
[Stepanov] {Stepanov}
[Tvorimirov] {Frolov}
[Vasilievich] {Peresvetov}
[Voislavov] {Savin}
[Volchkov] {Godunov}
[Zaitsev] {Pozharskiy}
[Zakhariev] {Naryshkin}
[Zavidov] {Mstislavskiy}
[Zhiroslavov] {Fedosov}
[Zhiznobudov] {Minin}
[Zubov] {Zubov}



Female Russian names:
Anastasiya
Anna
Antonina
Ekaterina
Elena
Elizaveta
Epifaniya
Evdokiya
Efrosiniya
Irina
Klavdiya
Kseniya
Mariya
Nataliya
Olga
Praskoviya
Sofiya
Svetlana
Tatiyana
Zoya


Title of Russian king:
early period - [b]Grand Prince
middle and late periods - Tsar (since 1547)
official title - Tsar Vseya Rusi (Tsar of All Russia)


Title of Russian governors - Voevoda (for example, Voevoda of Ryazan)


Titles of Russian offices:

[Chamberlain of the Great Palace] {Diak Dvortsovogo prikaza}
[Grand Warder of the Kremlin] {Diak Kazanskogo prikaza}
[Grand Marshal] {Diak Razryadnogo prikaza}
[Chancellor Of All The Russias] {Diak Posolskogo prikaza}
[Metropolitan of Moscow] {Metropolit Moskovskiy} // for for medium and late period {Patriarkh Moskovskiy i Vseya Rusi}

SwordsMaster
06-07-2004, 22:53
Quote[/b] ]Title of Russian governors - Voevoda (for example, Voevoda of Ryazan)


doesnt Voyevoda look better for the actual russian pronunciation?


Another question:

Wasnt the Tsar called something like Tsar i velikiy knyaz vsea Velikiya i Malya i Belyya Rusi ?

gee its hard to write in english. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Eastside Character
06-07-2004, 23:13
Quote[/b] ] {Andrey}
{Gleb}
[Chernek] {Piotr}
[Chort] {Alexandr}

[b]etc

You don't really need to translate old names, simply list the new ones, as there will be new name lists for this mod, and not translations of old names.


Quote ]doesnt Voyevoda look better for the actual russian pronunciation?




I think so too, BTW, Polish provinces should get Voyevodas as their governors as well.

Regards,
EC

Dead Moroz
06-08-2004, 14:40
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 08 2004,01:53)]
doesnt Voyevoda look better for the actual russian pronunciation?

No. Voevoda is right for Russian language. Voyevoda is Polish word maybe.


Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 08 2004,01:53)]
Another question:

Wasnt the Tsar called something like Tsar i velikiy knyaz vsea Velikiya i Malya i Belyya Rusi ?

Yes. The real official title of Russian king was something like Velikiy Gosudar tsar i Velikiy knyaz vseya Velikiya i Maliya i Beliya Rusi, etc, etc, etc... (there were titles of different regions included in Russian state). There was very long list of that regions. So it will be better to use short title in the game.
Russian coins of that time had legend Tsar i Velikiy Knayz Vseya Rusi. It could be used in the game. But I'm afraid this inscription will not fit ingame windows. So the final title could be just Tsar Vseya Rusi.

SwordsMaster
06-08-2004, 17:29
Ok, there comes a list of rebellious provinces rated 1-5 where 1 is little rebellious and 5 is the most rebellious.

The provs are the ones from the vanilla MTW map.

Aragon 2
Portugal 4
Naples 1
Sicily 1
Malta 1
Palestine 1
Scotland 3
Ireland 5
Flanders 4
Livonia 4
Poland 2
Prussia 1
Krym 2
Khazar 2
Georgia 2
Morocco 1


Thats pretty much it, I think. As always open to suggestions/modifications.

Regards.

@Dead Moroz: The pronunciation of e in english is different from the e in russian thats why I suggested Voyevoda, but if You think it is right, thats ok with me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Eastside Character
06-08-2004, 17:49
Quote[/b] (Dead Moroz @ June 08 2004,08:40)]
Voyevoda is Polish word maybe.

Is not. Polish word would be Wojewoda.


Quote[/b] (Dead Moroz @ June 08 2004,08:40)]
No. Voevoda is right for Russian language.

Well, I understand what your point is, but the problem is that e letter in Voevoda doesn't phonetically resemble Cyrillic e letter/sound.

Regards,
EC

Eastside Character
06-08-2004, 18:08
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 08 2004,11:29)]Krym 2

Why Krym? I think names of provinces should be either in their English spelling (so Crimea for this one) or we can use local names. Crimea was Tatar province, and in Tatar (language) its name is Kirim.

And as for other rebellious provinces, I propose:

Kiev 3 (numerous Cossack uprisings)
Pereyaslavl 2 (same as above)
Serbia 2 (because of Monte Negro and Venetian possessions on the coast)

Regards,
EC

SwordsMaster
06-08-2004, 20:11
Quote[/b] ]Why Krym? I think names of provinces should be either in their English spelling (so Crimea for this one) or we can use local names. Crimea was Tatar province, and in Tatar (language) its name is Kirim.


You are right. Its just that Ive been discussing about russian voevodas in the previous post Ive written, so I was still kinda thinking in russian. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Dead Moroz
06-08-2004, 20:25
Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ June 08 2004,20:49)]Well, I understand what your point is, but the problem is that e letter in Voevoda doesn't phonetically resemble Cyrillic e letter/sound.

Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 08 2004,20:29)]Ok, there comes a The pronunciation of e in english is different from the e in russian thats why I suggested Voyevoda, but if You think it is right, thats ok with me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

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SwordsMaster
06-12-2004, 15:24
Title:

Lettre de Marque

attached to: port

L: 2
C: 1
D: 1

Generic kind of title

ThijsP
06-13-2004, 14:31
Dutch Titles

Gouverneur Generaal van de V.O.C. Governeur of the East India company

Raadspensionaris Grand pensionary

Admiraal Generaal Admiral

Advocaat van Holland Protector of Holland

For provinces Stadthouder or Count.

Eastside Character
06-14-2004, 21:19
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 12 2004,09:24)]Title:

Lettre de Marque

attached to: port

L: 2
C: 1
D: 1

Generic kind of title
It can be generic, but you can have different name for each faction. It'd be strange to have an Ottoman general bearing the title of Lettre de Marque, don't you think?




Quote[/b] (ThijsP @ June 13 2004,08:31)]Dutch Titles

So what would be their stats, bonuses?




Soon I'm going to post here a polish names list. It's going to be a looong post.
IDEA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
To anyone out there completing some name list for this mod: get as many names as you can (but lets say not more than 300 for big factions).

I think it'd be more interesting to have such a variety. What do you think?

Regards,
EC

SwordsMaster
06-14-2004, 23:09
Quote[/b] ]Lettre de Marque

attached to: port

L: 2
C: 1
D: 1

Generic kind of title

It can be generic, but you can have different name for each faction. It'd be strange to have an Ottoman general bearing the title of Lettre de Marque, don't you think?


ok:
French: Lettre de Marque
Spanish: Patente de Corso
English: Letter of Marque
Italian: Lettera di marque

Dont know for the rest of the languages.

You mean names and surnames and such for generals?

Trax
06-14-2004, 23:27
The more the better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Sadly I can´t any longer contribute fore this mod, because I´m leaving the university for the summer and I don´t have any internet connection at home.

Eastside Character
06-15-2004, 00:00
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 14 2004,17:09)]You mean names and surnames and such for generals?
I mean firstnames and surnames. There's I think no purpose in extending princesses list, or royal names list.

Regards,
EC

Eastside Character
06-15-2004, 10:07
Polish names


forenames:
Stefan
Zygmunt
Aleksander
Wladyslaw
Jan Kazimierz
Jan
Kazimierz
Stanislaw
Michal
Henryk
--------------------all above names are royal
Adam
Aleksander
Andrzej
Anzelm
Bartlomiej
Benedykt
Bernard
Bogdan
Dominik
Dymitr
Eliasz
Ernest
Fedor
Gabriel
Hieronim
Iwan
Jakub
Jan Chryzostom
Jan Gratus
Jan Jerzy
Jan Karol
Jan Klemens
Jan Pawel
Jan Piotr
Jan Samuel
Janusz
Kasper
Kosma
Krzysztof
Lew
Ludwik
Lukasz
Maciej
Maksymilian
Michal Kazimierz
Mikolaj
Pawel
Pawel Jozef
Piotr
Remigiusz
Roch
Roman
Samuel
Stanislaw
Szczesny
Taras
Teodor
Teofil
Tomasz
Waclaw
Walenty
Wasyl
Wincenty
Wojciech

surnames:
- royal surnames;
Jagiellon - early period
Vasa - high period
Sobieski - late period
- common surnames;
Abramowicz
Adamowicz
Alamani
Aleksandrowicz
Albrycht
Arciszewski
Bartolan
Baruchowski
Bidzinski
Bilhorodek
Borkowski
Boruchowski
Branicki
Bunak
Chmielowski
Chodkiewicz
Chrzanowski
Chwalibog
Cikowski
Czaplinski
Czarniecki
Czartoryski
Czechowski
Czecowski
Dabrowa
Dalmat
Dembinski
Denhoff
Dorohostajski
Drohojowski
Drucki- Sokolinski
Dunikowski
Dydynski
Dzialynski
Dzik
Farenholtz
Farensbach
Fedorowicz
Felicki
Firlej
Fleger
Fromhold
Gabriel
Gniazdowski
Godlewski
Golcz
Gorecki
Gosiewski
Goslawski
Grazewski
Grodzicki
Gromadzki
Guldenstern
Haraburda
Herburt
Hlinski
Hornowski
Horodenko
Horwatt
Hulewicz
Jablonowski
Jazlowiecki
Judycki
Jugoszewski
Jung
Kacki
Kalinowski
Kamieniecki
Karaczon
Karnkowski
Katski
Kazanowski
Kettler
Kietlicz
Kiszka
Kleczkowski
Klicki
Kobylecki
Koniecpolski
Korff
Korycki
Koscielecki
Kossakowski
Kozubski
Krasinski
Krzyczewski
Kryczynski
Kuroszy
Lacki
Lanckoronski
Lasko
Lastowski
Lazinski
Lesniewski
Leszczynski
Linkowicz
Lipski
Lisowski
Loboda
Lubomirski
Lubowicki
Luckiewicz
Mankowski
Marchocki
Maskiewicz
Mellechowicz
Michajlowicz
Michalski
Mielecki
Mielnicki
Mierzejewski
Milaszewski
Mojslawski
Motowidlo
Myszkowski
Naruszewicz
Niewiarowski
Nonhard
Noskowski
Nowomiejski
Obalkowski
Oginski
Ossolinski
Ostrogski
Ostromecki
Ostrorog
Otrebus
Otwinowski
Ozga
Pac
Pasek
Piaskowski
Pielgrzymowski
Plettenberg
Porycki
Potocki
Pretwicz
Pruszkowski
Przeremski
Przyjemski
Przylecki
Radoszewski
Radziminski
Radziwill
Ramel
Ritchwan
Rogawski
Ross
Rozynski
Rusinowski
Ruszkowski
Sapieha
Sawula
Serebkowicz
Sewruk
Siemaszko
Siemiakowicz
Skrzetuski
Slawecki
Sobieski
Sokolowski
Solkowski
Soltyk
Spodzialowski
Stabrowski
Stadnicki
Starzynski
Staszkowski
Strojnowski
Strus
Suderman
Sulimski
Suliszowski
Sulkowski
Szemberg
Szemiot
Szolomski
Talwosz
Tarasowski
Tarlo
Tarnowski
Trzebinski
Tuszynski
Tyzenhauz
Wall
Warszycki
Wasilewski
Weyher
Wierzynski
Wilczkowski
Wisniowiecki
Wiszowaty
Witting
Wizgird
Wojna
Woropaj
Wrangel
Wroblewski
Wysokinski
Zaba
Zamoyski
Zarski
Zawadzki
Zbaraski
Zborowski
Zebrzydowski
Zejma
Zeromski
Zielinski
Zienowicz
Zlotnicki
Zolkiewski
Zorawinski

Completing this list wouldn't be possible without the help from Robert from Polish MTW forum. Thank you.

I'll add princesses' names later, but there won't be many (up to 20).

Regards,
EC

ThijsP
06-15-2004, 14:26
Citaat[/b] (ThijsP @ Juni 13 2004,08:31)]Dutch Titles



Raadspensionaris Grand pensionary

Admiraal Generaal Admiral

Advocaat van Holland Protector of Holland

For provinces Stadthouder or Count.
Gouverneur Generaal van de V.O.C. Governeur of the East India company

Lots of acumen en some loyalty en maybe some dread.

Admiraal Generaal Admiral

Command and loyalty

Advocaat van Holland Protector of Holland

Loyalty en some acumen

just thought of a new one: Veldmaarschalk Field Marschall

Lots of command

SwordsMaster
06-15-2004, 16:27
Ok, spanish names:

First names


Andrés
Antonio
Alejandro
Alfonso
Alberto
Alonso
Adolfo (usually used in compound names)
Gerardo
Luis
Ignacio
Jose
Juan
Felipe
Carlos
Alfredo
Ildefonso
Miguel
Diego
Iker
Íñigo
Francisco
Mario
Gaspar
Javier
Xavier
Pedro
Pablo
Santiago
Tirso
Rafael
Esteban
Joan
Ramón
Enrique
Jorge
Daniel
Lope
Tomás
Fernando
Abel
Abelardo
Agostin
Alvaro
Arcadio
Armando
Bartolomé
Bautista
Benito
Benjamín
Bernardo
Calisto
Cesar
Camilo
Cándido
Dionisio
Domingo
Edmundo
Eduardo
Eleuterio
Emanuel
Emilio
Enzo
Ernesto
Félix
Ferrán
Fidel
Franco
Héctor
Honorio
Inocencio
Jacinto
Jaime
Joaquin
Justo
Lázaro
León
Lorenzo
Lucas
Lucio
Lluis (2 LL)
Manuel
Martín
Nicolás
Octavio
Raúl
Roberto
Rodrogo
Rodolfo
Raimundo
Valiente
Vasco
Vicente
Victor

These names are from Navarre (they can be french as well)

Aitor
Aimay
Ahostar
Andoni
Batzi
Baiardo
Blasko
Elordi
Erdain
Gaizka
Garat
Gorka
Goratz
Iñaki
Josu
Julen
Kismi
Kirru
Koldo
Tello
Prontxo
Sastoi

********************

Spanish surnames:

Lopez
Perez
Fernandez
Gonzalez
Rodriguez
Martinez
Torres
Gomez
Santana
Cascales
Fuentes
Ramirez
Sevilla
Sabrino
Sevillano
Prieto
Gutierrez
Peña
Benito
Velasco
Cadarso
Aguirre
Balboa
Cruz
Tenorio
Reverte
Velazquez
Padilla
Téllez
Vega
García
Nuñez
Ruiz
Yáñez
Quiñones
Godoy
Díaz
Suárez
Pacheco
Álvarez
Mengo
Barragán
Arias
Mata
Mexía
Sanz
March
Soler
Marchena
Baraja
Zubizarreta
Etxeberria
Blazquez
Castro
Rueda
Dehesa
Contreras
Benavente
Hera
Molina
Obregón
*********
The surnames above are VERY common.
The ones below are more rare/noble ones

Guzmán
Mendoza
Navas
Carpio
Góngora
Alquézar
Quevedo
Gonzaga
de la Marca
Pastrana
Alba
Barberini
**************

General notes:

In Spain, from the XIIth century everyone used 2 surnames, the father´s and the mother´s one. Needless to say that the married woman DIDNT adopt the husband surname but kept her own.

So say Pedro Martinez de la Hera marries Maria Fuentes Gonzalez

Their children will be: Name Martinez Fuentes.

Also, an incredible abount of surnames comes from cities, towns, etc. To reflect this, the de is added t the surname.

So Jose Torres de Segovia is a perfectly valid name (Segovia is a city in Spain, NW of Madrid).

Note also that these surnames that originated from places are ALWAYS the SECOND surname.

Of course, when someone received a title, usually that would substitute their surname.

So if Jose Torres de Segovia is made Duke of Toledo, he will become Don Jose de Toledo.

The Don is a treatment of respect, only given to nobles in this timeframe.

BTW, in spain, everyone who fought for the King was considered hidalgo i.e. lesser noble without land or title. So its perfectly sensible to make all officers and generals as Don Name surname1 surname2.

Thats all for now.

wilpuri
06-15-2004, 20:53
Title: Lagman of Finland

L: 2 (anyone given a position of power becomes more loyal)
P: 0
D: 2 (Finns have historically had rather harsh rulers, hence the dread)
A: 0

Hetman
06-17-2004, 11:41
I believe we could add our own names to the lists - why not ?

EC Your surname is quite old I believe so You should add this to the list. You could do the same with my name as well - it is an old name from polish szlachta living in Ukraine at that time.

One more thing - Sobieski, Wisniowiecki and even Zamoyski could be added to the royal surnames list.


SWORDMASTER

Lettre de Marque who was this guy generally - we can find suitable translations, but I believe not every faction should be given this title.

Regards Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Eastside Character
06-17-2004, 12:30
Quote[/b] (Hetman @ June 17 2004,05:41)]I believe we could add our own names to the lists - why not ?

EC Your surname is quite old I believe so You should add this to the list. You could do the same with my name as well - it is an old name from polish szlachta living in Ukraine at that time.
Ok, I can do that.


Quote[/b] (Hetman @ June 17 2004,05:41)]One more thing - Sobieski, Wisniowiecki and even Zamoyski could be added to the royal surnames list.
Well, they certainly deserve it, but there can be only ONE royal surname per era. What is more in the timeframe of this mod Jagiellon dynasty ruled 1480-1572 (92 years), and Vasa dynasty 1587-1668 (81 years) that's why I think they have to be there. Jagiellon dynasty ruled during what we call early era, Vasa ruled most of what is here high era, plus 20 years in late. So for late I think we may either make Sobieski (22 years reign) or Wisniowiecki (only 4 years reign) a royal name (I'd prefer Sobieski, as M.K.Wisniowiecki wasn't a particularly good ruler and his reign was a very short one).

So I propose:
era (years of this era) - royal surname (years in which this family reigned during this era)

early (1480-1572) - Jagiellon (1480-1572)
high (1572-1648) - Vasa (1587-1648)
late (1648-1700) - Sobieski (1674-1696)

Regards,
EC

SwordsMaster
06-17-2004, 12:48
Quote[/b] ]SWORDMASTER

Lettre de Marque who was this guy generally - we can find suitable translations, but I believe not every faction should be given this title.


This title was the one that was given to bucaneers (pirates) to make them corsairs, i.e. to make them legitimate naval commanders against a certain enemy in times of war.

a privateer authorized to cruise against the enemy (dictionary.com)

The bearer of the title received all the advantages of a legitimate officer, but he woud have to pay 20% of his loot to the nation he was fighting for.


BTW, I did include my own surname in the list http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
It is from the XIII century anyway, so it is even legitimate.

I also forgot to include the royal surnames:

It was Habsburg from 1515 onwards (IIRC), and Trastámara before that date.

Alittle bit off topic, I was reading something about the emperor Charles, and found something that isnt directly related to the mod, but you might find it interesting:

Before the battle of Pavia in which the french king was captured, Charles defied him to a duel. He said that there was no point in killing hundreds of people and if the french king would be considerate enough as to resolve their differences in personal combat.

The french refused.

ThijsP
06-17-2004, 15:44
Some dutch names. I can add more if you want it.
(My own is in it's old form in there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

-Royal first names-

Willem (van Oranje-Nassau)
Maurits
Frederik Hendrik
Johan Willem Friso
Hendrik Casimir
Ernst Casimir
Willem Hendrik
Willem Carol Hendrik Friso
Willem Lodewijk
Johan
Lodewijk

-first names-
Michiel
Hugo
Christiaan
Antonius
Frans
Cornelis
Jan
Piet
Abel
Maarten
Andries
Claas
Jacob
Franc
Gerrit
Pieter
Jochem
Harman
Adriaen
Engel
Jozef
Johan
Bernardus
Guislain
Barthout
Diederik
Nicolaas
Dirk
Hendrick
Wigbolt

-surnames-
van Bergen
Ripperda
Lumai
Coornhert
Abels
Roobol
Ruychaver
Entens
van Treslong
Lumbres
Dolhain
van Brederode
Bontmantel
Somer
de Witte
van Gelder
Staats van Hoogstraten
de Groot
Huygens
van Leeuwenhoek
Leeghwater
Banning Cocq
Stuyvesant
Cats
Tromp
Hein
Hendrik
de Bruyn
de Ruyter
Compaan
Soeteboom
van der Schoor
van der Hoog
Meyer
van der Noot
van Oldenberneveld
Gijsels
Volkertszoon \
Jesseszoon |
Peterszoon |
Willemszoon |
Barentzoon } You can replace the zoon with just z
Janszoon | like Jansz
Hapertszoon |
Adriaenszoon |
Vechterszoon |
Pouwelszoon /

-famale firs names-
Theuntjen
Grietje
Neeltje
Cornelia
Aalken
Alida
Anna
Margriet
Amalia
Charlotte
Juliana
Louise
Margaretha
Elisabeth


Also Lettre de Marque is Kapersbrief in Dutch

Hetman
06-20-2004, 11:44
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 17 2004,06:48)]Alittle bit off topic, I was reading something about the emperor Charles, and found something that isnt directly related to the mod, but you might find it interesting:

Before the battle of Pavia in which the french king was captured, Charles defied him to a duel. He said that there was no point in killing hundreds of people and if the french king would be considerate enough as to resolve their differences in personal combat.

The french refused.
The same happened when Stephen Bathory - King of Poland and duke of Transylvania challenged russian Tzar Ivan the Terrible in late XVIth century.

Regards Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

wilpuri
06-21-2004, 11:49
Swedish names

first names
Gustaf
Nils
Johan
Erik
Carl
Fredrik
August
Gunnar
Adolf
Alfred
Anders
Birger
Bjarne
Björn
Hans
Henrik
Jan
Jarl
Bengt
Göran
Knut
Krister
Kristian
Lars
Leif
Magnus
Mathias
Martin
Mikael
Olof
Olav
Pehr
Paul
Simon
Stefan
Sven
Sten
Thomas
Tor
Valdemar
Benjamin
Bertil
Claus
Daniel
Claes
Otto
Jacob
Mårten
Jens
Larens
Tore
Tomas
Eskel
Clemen
Staffan
Mans
Mons
Ingwar
Edgard
Daan
Bernt
Engelbert
Eugen
Helge
Peder
Jöns
Lennart
Sigmund
Sigleif
Valter
Torsten
Josef
Ivar
Ernst
Einar
Axel
Svante
Jonas
Matts
Johannes


Last names
Eriksson
Johansson
Gustafsson
Andersson
Carlsson
Svensson
Bonde
Nilsson
Thorsson
Persson
Hendricksson
Torkelsson
Strahl
Ståhl
Rosbrack
Hartman
Stockman
Fisk
Stålkofta
Jonsson
Björnsson
Gunnarsson
Leithoine
Korckoinen
Ekman
Forsberg
Torstensson
Ascholin
Jansson
Widmark
Smidh
Finne
Knecht
Weimer
Osterberg
Reimann
Osterholm
Holm
Asplund
Lund
Sköld
Holdt
Grubb
Wallroth
Adolfsson
Gyllenstierna
Armfelt
Elgenstierna
Palmstierna
Dahl
Oxenstierna
Gyllenberg
Stensson
Granbom
Lagerfelt
Ljunggren
Lund
Mattsson
Store


Princess names
Christina
Ulrika
Eleonora
Margareta
Birgitta
Katrina
Brita
Sofia
Carolina
Charlotta
Maria
Lucia
Elisabeth
Magdalena
Emilia
Augusta
Anna
Ingrid
Gunilla
Karin
Louise
Catherine

wilpuri
06-21-2004, 15:59
I have an Idea for a Swedish Hero:
Torsten Stålhandske (1594-1644).
He started off as a common soldier, and worked his way up to become on of the most famous cavalry general of the 30-year war, commanding the Hakkapeliitta cavalry.

An even better one would be Johan Banér


Quote[/b] ]Banér was born at Djursholm Castle. Entering the Swedish army, he served with distinction in the wars with Russia and Poland, and had reached high rank when, in 1630, Gustavus Adolphus landed in Germany. As one of the king's chief subordinates, Banér served in the campaign of north Germany, and at the first Battle of Breitenfeld he led the right wing of Swedish cavalry. He was present at the taking of Augsburg and of Munich, and rendered conspicuous service at the Lech and at Donauworth.

At the unsuccessful assault on Wallenstein's camp at the Alte Veste, Banér received a wound, and, soon afterwards, when Gustavus marched towards Lützen, his general was left in command in the west, where he was opposed to the imperial general Aidringer. Two years later, as Swedish field-marshal, Banér, with 16,000 men, entered Bohemia, and, combined with the Saxon army, marched on Prague. But the complete defeat of Bernhard of Saxe-Weimar in the first Battle of Nördlingen stopped his victorious advance.

After this event the peace of Prague placed the Swedish army in a very precarious position, but the victories won by the united forces of Banér, Wrangel and Lennart Torstenson, at Kyritz and Wittstock (October 4, 1636), restored the paramount influence of Sweden in central Germany. Even the three combined armies, however, were decidedly inferior in force to those they defeated, and in 1637 Banér was completely unable to make headway against the enemy. Rescuing with great difficulty the beleaguered garrison of Torgau, he retreated beyond the Oder into Pomerania.

In 1639, however, he again overran northern Germany, defeated the Saxons at Chemnitz and invaded Bohemia itself. The winter of 1640-1641 Banér spent in the west. His last achievement was an audacious coup-de-main on the Danube. Breaking camp in mid-winter (a very rare event in the 17th century) he united with the French under the comte de Guébriant and surprised Regensburg, where the diet was sitting. Only the break-up of the ice prevented the capture of the place. Banér thereupon had to retreat to Halberstadt. Here, on May 10, 1641, he died, after designating Torstenson as his successor. He was much beloved by his men, who bore his body with them on the field of Wolfenbüttel. Banér was regarded as the best of Gustavus's generals, and tempting offers (which he refused) were made him by the emperor to induce him to enter his service. His son received the dignity of count.


From Wikipedia.

Datka
06-22-2004, 18:23
Here are Georgian names and titles of XVI-XVII cent.

Royal forenames:

Konstantine
Davit
Giorgi
Luarsab
Svimon
Bagrat
Rostom
Vakhtang
Erekle
Teimuraz

Other forenames:

Abel
Agab
Aghatang
Aleksandre
Archil
Avtandil
Baadur
Bakar
Bardzim
Bebur
Besarion
Bezhan
Bidzina
Dimitri
Elimirza
Elizbar
Gabriel
Gaioz
Garsevan
Gedevan
Gorjaspi
Grigol
Gulbaat
Ioram
Ioseb
Ivane
Kacia
Kaikhosro
Kakhaber
Kaphlan
Khudia
Khutunia
Kvarkvare
Levan
Malakia
Mamia
Mamuka
Manuchar
Melkisedek
Mirian
Mzechabuki
Naberali
Nadira
Nariman
Oman
Onophre
Otar
Otia
Paata
Papuna
Pharsadan
Pheshang
Philipe
Ramaz
Sekhnia
Solomon
Tamaz
Tevdore
Sachino
Shalva
Shadiman
Sulkhan
Vakhushti
Vazha
Zaal
Zezva
Zurab


Royal surname (for all periods):

Bagrationi


The highest nobles' surnames:

Abashidze
Amilakhori
Baratashvili
Chkhetidze
Cholokashvili
Cicishvili
Dadiani
Gurieli
Jakeli
Mukhranbatoni
Shervashidze
Tsereteli


Other surnames:

Abashishvili
Amilakhvari
Avalishvili
Andronikashvili
Bodbeli
Borchaloeli
Betiashvili
Chkheidze
Chuchunashvili
Diakvnishvili
Diasamidze
Djiladze
Eristavi
Gabashvili
Gaprindauli
Gelovani
Germanozishvili
Ghoghoberidze
Gogolauri
Grigolashvili
Guramishvili
Ioseliani
Jandieri
Kaitmazashvili
Kaphlanishvili
Kherkheulidze
Khitarishvili
Khosharauli
Korghanashvili
Lionidze
Lortkiphanidze
Machabeli
Makashvili
Meskhishvili
Orbeliani
Orbelishvili
Peikari
Saakadze
Sakvarelidze
Shalikashvili
Taktakishvili
Tulashvili
Undiladze
Vachnadze


Georgian Pincesses:

Ana
Darejani
Elene
Gulchara
Ketevan
Khoreshani
Lela-Tinatini
Mariam
Nestan-Darejani
Nino
Rusudan
Salome
Sophio
Tamar
Tinatin
Tuta


Georgian Titles

Royal Palace: Sakhltukhucesi

Loyalty: 3
Acumen: 2
Dread: 0
Command:1
Piety: 0

Constable's Palace: Eshikaghasbashi

Loyalty: 2
Acumen: 2
Dread: 1
Command:0
Piety: 0

Marshall's Palace: Mephis Sadroshos Sardali

Loyalty: 2
Acumen: 1
Dread: 1
Command:2
Piety: 0

Chancellery: Veziri

Loyalty: 2
Acumen: 3
Dread: 1
Command:0
Piety: 0

Cathedral: Catolikos-Patriarqi

Loyalty: 2
Acumen: 2
Dread: 0
Command:0
Piety: 3


Title of the governor of province of Georgia - Mouravi

The governors of other provinces - Eristavi


Now about title of the faction leader. I propose it to be King of Kartli, because Georgia, in XVI-XVII centuies was divided into several states, thus we shouldn't use title King of Georgia. Kartli was the most important state, it's kings fought for the country's unity and they resisted to the foreign invasions more than leaders of any other Georgian state.


The kings at the beginnig of the periods:

1480 - Konstantine II

1572 - Davit XI

1648 - Rostom I

Hetman
06-25-2004, 10:47
Very good Datka.

Now I need to know what info pics should be used for the units for Georgia.

Regards Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

AlexPeters
06-26-2004, 00:08
Hi,

some ideas regarding germany/HRE:
Holy Roman Empire and the electorates (parts of the HRE but independent and often at war even with each other):

three ecclesiastic electorates:
Archbishopric of Mainz
Archbishopric of Cologne
Archbishopric of Trier
and four secular electorates:
County of Kurpfalz
Duchy of Saxony
Markgravate of Brandenburg
Kingdom of Bohemia

changes/additons:
1623 Duchy of Bayern replaces Kurpfalz
1648 Kurpfalz added again
1692 Duchy of Braunschweig-Lueneburg (aka Brunswick) added

these electorates elect the holy roman emperor and are (heritably) holders of the different offices of the empire:
Erztruchsess - Kurpfalz (~ Steward, acumen + happiness)
Erzmarschall - Saxony (commander of the armies, command)
Erzkaemmerer - Brandenburg (keeper of the treasure, acumen)
Erzmundschenk - Bohemia (~ keeper of the vine cellars, happiness)
Erzkanzler of Germany - Mainz (archchancellor, acumen)
Erzkanzler of Burgundy - Trier (archchancellor, acumen)
Erzkanzler of Italy - Cologne (archchancellor, acumen)

some other countries to be recognized:
Duchy of Schleswig-Holstein (danish kings)
County of Oldenburg (danish chancellors)
Duchy of Mecklenburg (one of the last countries that was allied with the danes after Christian IV was defeated in the year 1626)
some Imperial Cities (Hamburg, Bremen, Luebeck, Magdeburg; own armies, wealthy, often targets of attacks)
Duchy of Wuertemberg (~ Swabia, important role in the peasant wars of 1525)

to be continued...

Some changes in the campmap would be necessary to include the important countries (esp. the bigger electorates).
Saxony - splitted at the river elbe (nothern part Schleswig-Holstein, southern part Brunswick)
Franconia - western part Kurpfalz, center part to Brunswick, eastern part electorate of Saxony.
Bohemia - western part to electorate of Saxony.
(Austria and Bavaria aren't enough to show all austrian provinces, but that's another story.)
I don't think the archbishoprics could be added, most of them are to small to place castles correctly (maybe extra maps like malta (?) but we could also use one province for all of them).
Tell me which of them you'd like to be included, so i could give you some names (king, heroes etc.) and pics.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif Alex

Earl of Sandwich
06-26-2004, 22:48
It has been mentioned that there will be a new map, but not for the first version. However, I would, if I were in charge of the mapmaking process, change Saxony to Brunswick, Swabia to Würtemberg, create the new Saxony with parts of Franconia, Silesia, and Bohemia, and probably change Franconia into this Kurpfalz you speak of.

AlexPeters
06-27-2004, 00:44
Hi again,

i like the ideas, some additons only:
Friesland - place the three Archbishoprics there (would add a catholic enemy to the dutch war, many famous generals fought there for the spanish first and later served in the army of the catholic league), historically Friesland (~Westphalia) were ruled by ecclesiastic nobles (Bishopric of Muenster).
Let's ignore Kurpfalz (located at the right side of the river rhine, next to luxemburg) until a new map is planed, it's role isn't that important and it's a small country, we could add the title Erztruchsess to bavaria (different lines of the house of Wittelsbach ruled in both states). Friedrich V. von der Pfalz (the so called Winterking, 1619-20 King of Bohemia) was imho their only addition to history. He could also be placed as a son in the bohemian rulers line. After his excommunication his cousin the duke of bavaria got his land and title so it would be close to history.
Wuertemberg needs to be added, it's a battlefield in the 30 years war (bavarians, french, saxons, imperials and swedish fought there) and important for the expansion of france (Louis XIV).
Too bad that Franconia is that big on the map, most of the 30 years war was fought there, would be better if there were more provinces for new saxony.
What about Pommeria ? We could add it to the Danes in early, late and to Sweden in high. Title: Duke of Mecklenburg-Pommern (?). Would be a compromise, the danes are more vulnerable to an attack and are also more involved in the german wars. Historically their influence in northern germany shouldn't be underestimated and their army was huge.
Another option would be an independent state, let's call it Hanseatic League (would reflect the wealthy and powerful Imperial Cities of Hamburg, Luebeck, Bremen and maybe the Duchy of Mecklenburg). They fought against the danes quite often.

It's too bad that all countries we could add would own one province only, no retreat, some of them will dissapear early. But they'll reemerge and germany will become a constant battlefield then (as it was in history), we should adjust the rebellious tendencies a bit to make it harder to rule there. Wuertemberg, new Saxony and Bohemia were plagued by constant uprisings.

Alex http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

AlexPeters
06-27-2004, 01:05
Allright, some names and dates:

Bohemian rulers:
Wladyslaw King of Bohemia 1490-1516 (house of Jagiellon)
Ludwig II. King of Hungary-Bohemia 1516-1526 (house of Jagiellon, adopted by emperor Maximilian I., died in the battle against the turkish)
Ferdinand I. 1526-1564 (house of Habsburg, bohemia and Hungary are ruled directly by the emperor from now on, KuK)
Maximilian II. 1564-1576
Rudolf II. 1575-1611
Matthias II. 1611-1617
Ferdinand II. 1617-1618 and again 1620-1637
Friedrich I. of Kurpfalz, King of Bohemia, 1619-1620 (the Winterking (ruled only one winter, excommunicated), house of Wittelsbach)
Ferdinand III. 1627-1657 (house of Habsburg again, KuK)
Ferdinand IV. 1647-1654
Leopold I. 1656-1705
Joseph I. 1705-1711
Karl II. 1711-1740

Hungarian rulers:
Matthias Corvinus, 1458-1490
Wladyslaw or Ulaszló II., house of Jagiellon, 1490-1516
Ludwig II. (see above, Hungary was ruled by the austrians after him)

Alex

AlexPeters
06-27-2004, 01:14
// comment //
Friedrich I. of Kurpfalz, King of Bohemia, 1619-1620 (the Winterking (ruled only one winter, excommunicated), house of Wittelsbach)
was Friedrich V. of Kurpfalz, but the first Friedrich to be king of Bohemia, so he becomes Friedrich I. of Bohemia, understood ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
// comment //

House of Habsburg (Spain and Austria):
Friedrich III (1440-1493)
Maximilian I. (1486-1519)
Karl V. (1519-1556)
Ferdinand I. (1556-1564, from now on austrian line of the house only)
Maximilian II. (1564-1576)
Rudolf II. (1576-1612)
Matthias (1612-1619)
Ferdinand II. (1619-1637)
Ferdinand III. (1637-1657)
Leopold I. (1658-1705)
Joseph I. (1705-1711)
Karl VI. (1711-1740)

Alex

ThijsP
06-27-2004, 08:35
Citaat[/b] (AlexPeters @ Juni 26 2004,18:44)]Hi again,

i like the ideas, some additons only:
Friesland - place the three Archbishoprics there (would add a catholic enemy to the dutch war, many famous generals fought there for the spanish first and later served in the army of the catholic league), historically Friesland (~Westphalia) were ruled by ecclesiastic nobles (Bishopric of Muenster).
I think that Friesland in really neccesary for the Duth especially since for now its there only province. Friesland on the map is also more western(where you talking about ost Friesland?) and I think it would be owned by the Spannish in early and Dutch on high and late.

AlexPeters
06-27-2004, 12:45
Yes, you're right, we can't ignore the dutch. I simply forgot that they have to fight the spanish.
But in early friesland wasn't spanish, i think, look at those maps:
Europe 1500 (big map) (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1500.htm)
Europe 1600 (big map) (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm)
The Friesland of the lukmap has its western border approximately at the river rhine and its eastern border at the river weser.
Anyway, those archbishoprics are useless. The titles/offices could be added to a church or cathedral in austria.
Strange map. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif The Dutch are neighbours of Brunswick (we discussed to place in Saxony) and the electorate of Saxony (to be placed in Franconia).
Alternative history...

Alex http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

SwordsMaster
06-28-2004, 17:34
Quote[/b] ]Strange map. The Dutch are neighbours of Brunswick (we discussed to place in Saxony) and the electorate of Saxony (to be placed in Franconia).
Alternative history...

Thats what its all about.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

I think Friesland should be spanish to reflect total domination of the Netherlands. In High and Late, the Dutch would get the province. We should split Flanders when we get to make our own map. But that will be later.

REgards.

AlexPeters
06-28-2004, 19:15
Zitat[/b] (SwordsMaster @ Juni 28 2004,11:34)]./. Friesland should be spanish ./.
I agree, another solution would mean a new faction with a boring and fictional tech tree. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Another question btw:
How many free slots are to be used for the german/hre factions ?
I think this mod is going to be for VI (31+ factions ?), am i right ?

Alex

assorted other topics:

I wrote about the black cuirassers a while ago and have to correct my words:
they can't use the Reiters bif and can't use the Reiters values also, they were cuirassers, Reiters weren't (that heavy) armoured.

Singular (Plural) for some german/HRE units:
Landsknecht (Landsknechte)
Pikenier (Pikeniere)
Musketier (Musketiere)
Arkebusier (Arkebusiere)
Hellebardier (Hellbardiere)
Reiter (Reiter)
Dragoner (Dragoner)
Kürassier (Kürassiere) ~ Cuirasser
Doppelsoldner (Doppelsoldner)
Hartschier (Hartschiere)
Berittener (Berittene) ~ Mounted

I think mercenary units should decrease the happiness in a province if moddable to reflect that they looted the peasants.

New unit:
Rondartschier (Rondartschiere)
Austrian (maybe bavarian also, merc ?) men at arms, same function as the doppelsoldner (lower attack, better defence), armed with sword and a small round shield (uncolored), armoured. I think they should be available in early only.
Here's a pic (from the game cossaks) (http://www.pts-woergl.tsn.at/Toni%20naschberger/einheiten%202.htm)
The only pic i've found... sorry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Eastside Character
06-28-2004, 21:04
This was not meant to be a thread for discussing new unit ideas. Read the first post.


Quote[/b] (AlexPeters @ June 28 2004,13:15)]Another question btw:
How many free slots are to be used for the german/hre factions ?
I think this mod is going to be for VI (31+ factions ?), am i right ?


The Mod is for VI. German factions we plan now are: Switzerland, Austria(HRE), Brandenburg and Bavaria.

Regards,
EC

ThijsP
07-05-2004, 16:26
I was thinking aboout what trading goods could be given to the Dutch in Friesland but then I realised that almost nothing was exported from the Netherlands(maybe milk). Most trading was first imported(mainly from the baltic and eastern indies) to the Netherlands and then exported to the rest of Europe. So maybe the trading goods for Friesland can be

-Grain
-Spices
-something else

AlexPeters
07-05-2004, 18:49
England:
Wool (~London)

Germany:
Bavaria:
Salt mines (Berchtesgarden)
Textiles (Augsburg, Fugger family)
Goods

Franconia and Brandenburg:
Silver mines (~Leipzig)
Copper mines (~Magedburg)
Iron mines (~Erfurt)
Salt mines (Salzgitter)
Goods
Textiles
Wine (~Cologne,~Frankfurt)
Grain

Swabia:
Wine
Textiles

Austria:
Silver mines (~Innsbruck)
Salt mines (Salzburg, ~Villach)
Iron mines (~Salzburg)
Copper mines (~Salzburg)

Bohemia and Hungary:
Copper mines (~Neusohl)
Gold mines (~Breslau)
Iron mines (~Prague)
Glass (~Breslau,~Prague)

Netherlands (incl. spanish Netherlands):
Fish
Tulips (exports starts ~1630)
Leiden - Textiles
Amsterdam - Textiles
Brugge - Weapons
Shipbuilding (most ships of France, Denmark and Sweden)
wind-powered saw-mill (1596, special building ?)
Dutch East India Company (founded 1602) tea, coffee, and spices
Dutch West India Company (founded 1621) slaves, sugar, gold, ivory, income from piracy in the westindies

Italy:
Venice - Glass (Murano)
Genoa - Glass (Altare)
Florence - Silk, Wine
Milan - Textiles
Rome - Alum (monopoly)
Naples - Olive oil, Wine, Silk
Sicily - Silk, Wine

Portugal:
Isle of Madeira - Wine
African colonies - slaves, gold, ivory, coffee, gems, lumber, skins

France:
Paris - Textiles
Lyon - Silk
~Orleans - Wine, Textiles
Marseille - Wine, Silk, salt mines

Maroc:
Skins, salt, gold

Tunesia:
Dates

Lybia:
Dates

Egypt:
Dates
Slaves

~Holy Land:
Weapons (Damascus)
Olive oil
Oriental goods

Arabia:
Coffee

Spain:
Quicksilver mines (Almaden, monopoly)
Isla Margarita (Westindies) - Pearls
Canary Islands - Wine

Ottoman Empire:
Iznik (Turkey) - Ceramics
Smyrna - Carpets
Crimea - Wine
Kiev - Gran
Khazar - Meat, Oriental goods
Balkans:
~Belgrade - Horses, Meat, gold mines
~Budapest - Wine, silver mines, copper mines, iron mines, horses
Croatia - iron mines, copper mines
Saloniki - Wine
Albania - Lead mines

Poland:
Grain
Meat

Near Krakow:
Copper mines
Iron mines
Lead mines
Salt mines

Prussia:
Grain
Meat

Livornia:
Butter (Riga)

Novgorod:
Leather
Furs
Wax

Sweden:
Gold mines (~Stockholm)
Iron mines (~Stockholm)
Lumber (~Ostergotland)
Butter (Varberg, Visby)

Norway:
Fish (~Stavanger, ~Narvik)
Furs (~Trondheim)

Denmark:
Butter
Meat

I used a (very undetailed) map of 1400 for this infos, some goods could be removed because they lost their importance in the 16th century (for example: butter, wax).
To avoid mistakes i added the name of a city in the (wider) area, i you know the exact places it would be nice to correct it (could be helpful for a customized map).

Alex

Count, tHe dEmEnToR
07-08-2004, 17:37
Hey there gentlemen,

I shall provide you now with all the Portuguese info...
On the top you can see the names, in the bottom you can see the rulers and some comments...

Portuguese Male Names

Forenames:
Abel
Abílio
Acácio
Adriano
Afonso
Agostinho
Alberto
Alexandre
Alfredo
Álvaro
Américo
Amílcar
André
Ângelo
Aníbal
António
Aristides
Armando
Arménio
Arnaldo
Artur
Augusto
Benjamim
Bernardete
Bernardo
Bruno
Camilo
Carlos
Celso
César
Cláudio
Daniel
Dário
David
Delfim
Diamantino
Dinis
Dino
Diogo
Domingos
Duarte
Edgar
Eduardo
Elói
Emanuel
Eugénio
Fábio
Fabrício
Fernando
Filipe
Flávio
Francisco
Frederico
Gabriel
Gaspar
Gill
Gilberto
Gonçalo
Guilherme
Gustavo
Helder
Hélio
Henrique
Herlander
Hermínio
Honorato
Horácio
Hugo
Humberto
Ilídio
Inácio
Ivo
Jaime
João
Joaquim
Joel
Jorge
José
Júlio
Leandro
Leonardo
Leonel
Licínio
Lino
Lúcio
Luís
Manuel
Marcelino
Marcelo
Marciano
Marco
Marcos
Mário
Maurício
Mauro
Miguel
Nelson
Norberto
Nuno
Orlando
Octávio
Olímpio
Orimar
Óscar
Osvaldo
Patrício
Paulo
Pedro
Rafael
Raul
Renato
Ricardo
Roberto
Rodrigo
Rogério
Romão
Romeu
Ruben
Rui
Samuel
Sandro
Sebastião
Serafim
Sérgio
Silvino
Sílvio
Telmo
Teresa
Tiago
Valter
Vasco
Vítor
Xavier


Surnames:
------- Noble Surnames -------
Allvarez
Allvariz
Allvaris
Alvarez
Alvaris
Alonso
Amado
Anes
Annriquez
Antunnez
Ayres
Bernaldez
Bernalldez
Borjes
Borges
Boto
Bulhão
Cesar
Cortes
Diaz
Dias
Dinis
Eanes
Estevenz
Estevez
Fernandez
Garçia
Geraldes
Graces
Guomez
Gomez
Guonçallvez
Guoterez
Goteres
Jacome
Joanes
Lopez
Lourenço
Manoel
Maria
Marquez
Marques
Martinz
Martins
Mendez
Mendes
Nunnez
Nogeyra
Ortiz
Pascoal
Peres
Perez
Pirez
Rodriguez
Sanches
Sanchez
Simoa
Simões
Soares
Soarez
Vaaz
Vaáz
Vaz
Vidall
Viçente
Vicente
Vinçente
Vincente
Xemenez

------- Other Surnames -------
Arrais
Barbosa
Baren
Bareyros
Bariga
Barossa
Barreta
Biscainho
Boralho
Botada
Botelho
Bras
Bramdam
Brandâo
Branquo
Cabral
Cabreyra
Caeyro
Çafim
Caiado
Caldayra
Caldeyra
Camelo
Can
Çardinha
Cardosa
Cardoso
Cardossa
Cardosso
Carneyro
Carreyro
Carvalha
Carvalho
Cascâo
Castanho
Catelão
Çeixes
Çequo
Çerveyra
Cerveyra
Çidreyra
Chyoly
Coelha
Coelho
Colaça
Colaço
Cordeyra
Cordeyro
Coronel
Correa
Coutinha
Coutinho
Conego
Dins
Faia
Feo
Fereyra
Fouto
Ferras
Figeyra
Franca
Franco
Freyre
Frois
Furtado
Gago
Galego
Gentyl
Gereyra
Graça
Laço
Lançada
Leytão
Leytoa
Loba
Lobo
Magro
Malho
Marinho
Monteyro
Neta
Neto
Nogeyra
Pacheco
Penteado
Pinheyro
Pinto
Pereyra
Pireyra
Rabelo
Reall
Ribeyra
Ribeyro
Robeles
Roloa
Sarão
Sarra
Sobrinho
Solorgiaõ
Teixeyra
Toscanno
Vedras
Velho
Velosa
Veloso
Vieyra
Vilhegas


------- Regional, local Surnames (like the spanish, de or d' means from) -----
d' Abrantes
d' Abreu
d' Agiar
d' Allbuquerque
d' Allmeyda
d' Almeyda
d' Almeida
d' Almada
d' Almade
d' Allpoem
d' Alpoem
d' Alvarado
d' Andrade
d' Araujo
d' Arriâo
d' Arruda
d' Ataide
d' Atougia
d' Azevedo
de Bairos
de la Banha
de Brito
de Bulhão
do Bulhão
do Cabo Verde
de Çiqueyra
de Ciqueyra
de Cardias
de Caseres
de Ceixas
de Cetuvel
da Costa
do Couto
de Coutiga
da Cunha
d'Espanha
d'Espinosa
d'Essa
de Fonçequa
de Foncequa
de Froncequa
de Fontes
da Gama
da Ganma
de Gois
de Gosmão
de Gouvea
de Lemos
de Lima
de Lopez
de Luçena
da Mata
de Matos
de Mendonça
de Meneses
de Mideyros
de Miranda
de Monte Arroio
de Mooura
de Moura
da Mota
d'Obidos
d'Ornelas
d'Orta
d'Ouliveyra
de Paiva
de Parra
de Pina
das Povoas
do Prado
de Purga
de Reyzende
do Rio
da Rocha
de San Pedro
de San Tomee
da See
da Sillva
da Silva
da Silveyra
de Sola
de Sousa
de Sousa Taveres
de Tovar
da Vale
de Vascoguoncellos
da Veiga
da Veyga
de Veiga
de Vera
da Vila
del Viso



Portuguese Female Names:
Ana Maria
Alexandra
Amália
Ana
Ana Cristina
Anabela
Adreia
Ângela
Antónia
Armanda
Bárbara
Beatriz
Camila
Carla
Carmem
Carolina
Catarina
Cecília
Célia
Clara
Cláudia
Cristina
Daniela
Elsa
Fábia
Fátima
Fernanda
Filipa
Flávia
Feliciana
Francisca
Gabriela
Helena
Hermínia
Inês
Isabel
Joana
Júlia
Katia
Lígia
Lúcia
Luísa
Mafalda
Manuela
Marcela
Margarida
Maria
Maria Antónia
Maria João
Marta
Matilda
Matilde
Mónica
Octávia
Patrícia
Paula
Raquel
Renata
Rita
Rubina
Samuela
Sandra
Sara
Sílvia
Sofia
Sónia
Soraia
Susana
Vanessa
Victoria

Kings surnames:
Early Period - de Avis
High Period - Filipe
Late Period - de Bragança

During the Filipian period we were under the rule of the spanish. For that reason, when starting on this period, we should be under control of the spanish.



Rulers and Dates:

House of Avis
D. Manuel I (1495 - 1521)
D. Sebastião (1557 - 1578)
Cardeal D. Henrique (1578 - 1580)

Spanish Domination
D. Filipe I (1580 - 1598)
D. Filipe II (1598 - 1621)
D. Filipe III (1621 - 1640)

House of Bragança
D. João IV (1640 - 1656)
D. Filipa de Gusmão (1656 - 1662)
D. Afonso VI (1662 - 1683)
D. Pedro II (1683 - 1706)

Titles:
Condestável de Portugal - The second most important men after the King. He watches the army and the land when the king is away. Mainly a military leader.

Chanceler Mor do Reino - High Chancellor of the Kingdom.

Imperador do Brasil - Emperor of Brazil. Before it's independence, this title was given to it's governor.


For now just these ones...

I'm also making some portraits of Portuguese nobles. Soon i'll publish them.

Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif ,

Dead Moroz
07-09-2004, 08:53
@Count, tHe dEmEnToR

Are you sure that Teresa is male name? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Count, tHe dEmEnToR
07-09-2004, 12:15
Lol, sorry my mistake... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

Count, tHe dEmEnToR
07-09-2004, 15:25
I've made a few Portuguese portraits...

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/1.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/2.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/3.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/4.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/5.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/6.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0166297601/portraits/7.jpg

Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif...

AlexPeters
07-25-2004, 08:54
A small note i've found on a website about the landsknechts:
80% of the european production of silver before 1600 were from germany (i assume they meant the HRE at that time not nowadays germany). 30% of it from Annaberg in the Erzgebirge (mountain area in southern saxony/northern bohemia).

Alex

Eastside Character
03-23-2005, 22:46
ATTENTION

I stuck this thread as it contains lots of important data, and to avoid helpful peaople doing the job that has been already done like name lists etc etc.

The thread remains locked and should be used as a reference :book:
Should the name lists be updated, the thread will probably be unlocked for that purpose I suppose.

Regards
EC

Narayanese
03-24-2005, 03:40
Swedish names

first names
Gustaf
Nils
Johan
Erik
Carl
Fredrik
August
Gunnar
Adolf
Alfred
Anders
Birger
Bjarne
Björn
Hans
Henrik
Jan
Jarl
Bengt
Göran
Knut
Krister
Kristian
Lars
Leif
Magnus
Mathias
Martin
Mikael
Olof
Olav
Pehr
Paul
Simon
Stefan
Sven
Sten
Thomas
Tor
Valdemar
Benjamin
Bertil
Claus
Daniel
Claes
Otto
Jacob
Mårten
Jens
Larens
Tore
Tomas
Eskel
Clemen
Staffan
Mans
Mons
Ingwar
Edgard
Daan
Bernt
Engelbert
Eugen
Helge
Peder
Jöns
Lennart
Sigmund
Sigleif
Valter
Torsten
Josef
Ivar
Ernst
Einar
Axel
Svante
Jonas
Matts
Johannes
Bo
Tord
Abraham
Arnold
Kettil

Last names
Eriksson
Johansson
Gustafsson
Andersson
Carlsson
Svensson
Bonde
Nilsson
Thorsson
Persson
Hendricksson
Torkelsson
Strahl
Rosbrack
Hartman
Stockman
Fisk
Stålkofta
Jonsson
Björnsson
Gunnarsson
Leithoine
Korckoinen
Ekman
Forsberg
Torstensson
Ascholin
Jansson
Widmark
Smidh
Finne
Knecht
Weimer
Osterberg
Reimann
Osterholm
Holm
Asplund
Lund
Sköld
Holdt
Grubb
Wallroth
Adolfsson
Gyllenstierna
Armfelt
Elgenstierna
Palmstierna
Dahl
Oxenstierna
Gyllenberg
Stensson
Granbom
Lagerfelt
Ljunggren
Lund
Mattsson
Store

Princess names
Christina
Ulrika
Eleonora
Margareta
Birgitta
Katrina
Brita
Sofia
Carolina
Charlotta
Maria
Lucia
Elisabeth
Magdalena
Emilia
Augusta
Anna
Ingrid
Gunilla
Karin
Louise
Catherine
Hedvig
Ingeborg
Iliana
Cecilia
Virginia
Sigrid
Johanna
Ebba

Royal swedish surnames
Sture 1470-1520
Vasa 1521-1654
Wittelsbach 1654-1720

Examples of royal titles used, in latin:
Gustavus Adolphus Svecorum Gothorumqve Rex
Sigismvndvs Dei Gratia Svecorvm Gotorvm Wandalorvmq & Poloniae Rex
CAROLVS IX DG SVECORVM GOTHORVM VANDALORVM &C REX
Carolus XII. Svecorum, Gothorum et Vandalorum Rex

The royal title is usually written in swedish as svears och götars konung.

Notice that the -sson names can only be used for men (and -sdotter only for women) and that nobles always also had a family name.
A -sson/-sdotter name was not inherited (at least not in the 16th century, I think they weren't inherited in the 17th century either).

I found some noble family names here (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Svenska_adels%E4tter), and I could add those (not all, some are from 18th century) if you think you need more nobility in the swedish last name list.

Names I have added to the lists:
Hedvig
Ingeborg
Iliana
Cecilia
Virginia
Sigrid
Bo
Tord
Abraham
Arnold
Johanna
Ebba
Kettil

Names I have removed:
Ståhl (because it's a soldier's name given by his commander and those didn't exist before 1629)

Count, tHe dEmEnToR
04-23-2005, 02:56
this is a placaholder for some Portuguese info which i still have to deliver. At the moment i don't have time to complete the post.

Heroes:
Matias de Albuquerque (1590 - 1647)
D. António Luís de Meneses (1603 - 1675)
D. Sancho Manuel (1607 - 1677)
Armando Frederico (1615 - 1690)
Pedro Jacques de Magalhães

Rulers:
D. Manuel I (1495 - 1521)
D. João IV (1640 - 1656)
D. Afonso VI (1662 - 1683)
D. Pedro II (1683 - 1706)