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Sad Ronin
04-21-2005, 12:06
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/LableOiM640_2.jpg

Greetings honoured community!

I represent you mod Ogniem i Mieczem: Total War (With Fire and Sword:TW).

This mod covers the period from 1568 till 1700. An era of Legendary Hussar of Poland, the era of Cossack revolts and founding of the Russian Empire... Despite an abundance of fire-arms and guns such concepts as Honour and personal Courage have not been forgotten yet, during those famous times. Regular European armies and gangs of free cossacks, modern methods of war and ancient traditions of the East. The powerlessness of Great Empires and Shattering victories of national revolts... - All this in our mod.

The countries represented in game:

« Rech ` Pospolitaja »,
Faction « the Diet and King Rech ` Pospolitaja »,
Faction " Vishniveckie " - grand dukes of Ukraine
Faction " Radzivils " - grand dukes of Lithuania and Belarus
Faction " Zamoiskie" - the Noble house of Poland.

Culture « the Islamic World »
Faction « Ottomans Empire »
Faction " Sefevids "
Faction « Crimean khanate » - vassals Ottomans of Empire

Culture « East Christians »
Faction « the Princedom of Moldova »
Faction « Imerety Empire »
Faction « the Princedom of Walachia »
Faction " Montenegro "

Culture « the Western Christians »
Faction « the Princedom of Transylvania »
Faction " Venice "
Faction " Habsburgs "
Faction " Prussia-Brandenburg "
Faction « Swedish Kingdom »
Faction " Duchy Kurland "

Culture "Russia",
Faction « Moscow Tzardom »
Faction « the Cossack Armyof Don »

Culture "Zaporozhye",
Faction « Zaporozhye Army »

The map reaches from Venice in the West to the Caspian Sea in the east. From Scandinavian peninsula in the North to Crete in the south.

Here the some screenshots:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=15



P.S. If the subjects of this era is interesting to you. If you take a great interest in Total War series. If you are engaged modding this game or would like to accept in it participation - welcome to our team.
We still require people, able to create models in 3DSMax, 2D-artists and historians. Russian - speaking people are welcomed.
Our site: http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua (http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/)
My e-mail: desperate_ronin@list.ru


Bud`mo!

Myrddraal
04-21-2005, 16:39
Great mod, does with Fire and Sword mean using their units etc?

BTW, its a faction not a fraction. A fraction is like 1/2... I'm correcting your post, along with some other minor grammatical errors. :smile:

Epistolary Richard
04-21-2005, 19:41
Interesting idea, quite original. It's a beautiful banner you've got at the bottom there in your signature as well. Unfortunately it's about 35K when the forum rules only allow 10.24k so I'm afraid you'll probably have to either make it smaller or lose some of the quality which (considering it's mainly red) is going to be tough.

You can find the rules for signature sizes here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_faq_sigpic).

Sad Ronin
04-22-2005, 09:39
2 Myrddraal Thanks a lot for corrected mistakes. My English is pretty bad. I’m sorry.

>>>does with Fire and Sword mean using their units etc?

What do you mean? Mod dedicated to epoch described in the book of Senkevich "Ogniem i mieczem". In particular national liberation war of Khmelnitskiy, to campaigns of cossacks and so on...

2 Epistolary Richard
I am sorry for the sizes of a banner. I have not thought of it. Has already reduced up to 10kb.

Epistolary Richard
04-22-2005, 10:26
I hated to mention it, but the new one looks great as well! :beam:

Reverend Joe
04-23-2005, 01:13
The map... it's beautiful... ~:eek:

I can't wait for the mod.

Sad Ronin
04-27-2005, 08:57
So, some units from the last:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Russian_Foreign_Regiments_Musketeer.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Nemeckie_Kopeischiki.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Boyarin_Junior_Cavalry.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Sokolnik.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Pomestniy_Cavalry.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Russian_Voevoda.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Tegilay.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Russian_Reitar.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Russian_Peasants.jpg

Comments are necessary?

Tomorrow I shall try to lay out their sreens from game....)

NOTE: We yet did not change a cavalry

Radier
04-27-2005, 11:08
Looks very good in my opinion.
I am realy looking forward to play as the Swedes and kick some eastern asses! ~D

Will the mod be in russian or in english?

Keep up the modding...
~:cheers:

Sad Ronin
04-27-2005, 11:44
Mod will be in Russian and English.
we plan to make some more localizations in languages of the countries-participants. A Ukranian language, Polish and so on...

By the way... this mod make those "eastern asses"...) so to Swedes it will be not sweet...

I joke certainly... ;)

caesar44
04-27-2005, 11:59
what can i say .......................... good luck !!! ~:)

The Blind King of Bohemia
04-27-2005, 12:05
Those units are absolutely stunning, the best I have seen for Rome. Keep up the good work!

SwordsMaster
04-27-2005, 12:58
Wow, man, I love the musketeers, they are indeed beautiful.

*deletes own musketeer model from 3dsMax in shame*
:bow:

Zharakov
04-27-2005, 15:28
Looks good tovarishch.

I am glad to see a MOD about this area of the world in that time frame.

Radier
04-27-2005, 17:14
Those Russian Foreign Pikemen and Foreign Musketeers... (looks realy good btw) Why is "foreign" in their name? Are they not ethnical Russians?

RedCoat
04-27-2005, 20:56
Just a small point...you've forgotten Austria-Hungary/the Habsburg Empire...

RedCoat
04-27-2005, 20:58
My mistake! Just missed out Hungary, which at the time behaved very autonomously and would probably be worth including as separate. Aside from that, an interesting/unusual time period and a wonderful look to the models.

Sad Ronin
04-28-2005, 08:15
2 Radier:

In Russian they refer to "nemeckie". It were the regular hired troups collected from foreigners: germen, dutchs, scots and other. They were the true dogs of war had rich battle experience. They served for a good payment. And many of them have remained in Russia for ever.

2 RedCoat

Austria-Hungary is in our game.Look the list of factions. It is one of the strongest factions. It owns dynasty of Habsburgs.

Sad Ronin
04-28-2005, 08:17
I represent to you one of the strongest mercenaries in game - the Swiss infantry:

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Swiss_Heawy_Armoured_Pikeman.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Swiss_Swordmaster.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Swiss_Armoured_Halberdier.jpg

Meneldil
04-28-2005, 08:36
Wow, really impressive ~:eek:

Radier
04-28-2005, 10:58
Impressive work!

RedCoat
04-28-2005, 16:50
2 Radier:

In Russian they refer to "nemeckie". It were the regular hired troups collected from foreigners: germen, dutchs, scots and other. They were the true dogs of war had rich battle experience. They served for a good payment. And many of them have remained in Russia for ever.

2 RedCoat

Austria-Hungary is in our game.Look the list of factions. It is one of the strongest factions. It owns dynasty of Habsburgs.

Hungary still behaved very autonomously, and came close to independence on several occasions. I believe it was independent at the beginning of this time period as well...

cegorach
04-28-2005, 19:17
I will correct the list slightly - Ronin - I believe I can do this ? ~;)

The countries represented in game:

« Rzeczpospolita - or Poland »,
Faction « Sejm and King of Poland - 'Sejm' is polish parliament »,
Faction " Wisniowieccy" - grand dukes of Ukraine, a powerful noble family in Ukraine,
Faction " Radziwill " - grand dukes of Lithuania and Belarus i.e. Grand Duchy of Lithuania the junior partner of the Commonwealth,
Faction " Zamojscy" - an important noble house in Poland at that time.



Culture « the Western Christians »
Faction « the Princedom of Transylvania » - i.e HUNGARY
Faction " Venice "
Faction " Habsburgs "
Faction " Prussia-Brandenburg "
Faction « Swedish Kingdom »
Faction " Duchy Kurland " - a vassal of Poland at that time,

RedCoat
04-28-2005, 19:32
That's a good idea, as Translyvania and Wallachia were controlled by Hungary at the time why not just change the whole thing to Hungary?

cegorach
04-30-2005, 10:03
I wasn't proposing anything, but only making it more understandable, at that time there was no Hungary as such and Wallachia, Transylvania and even Moldavia were partly Hungarian and partly Romanian + a large part of Hungary was included to the Habsburg empire ( Croatia, Slovakia and a part of 'core' Hungary).

It is quite complicated, but rather ralistic, I hope you will really like the mod - I am one of advisiors of Sad Ronin's team ~D

Cheers Cegorach/Hetman ~:cheers:

RedCoat
04-30-2005, 17:50
Ah well, that's not what I was told in history lectures...Hungary at the time controlled a large part of the Carpathian Basin and there was a large ethnically Hungarian population in Translyvania, Serbia, Romania and Croatia. I believe it did exist as a nation, and that the cities of Buda and Pest were thriving metrapolisi.

cegorach
05-04-2005, 18:48
Ah well, that's not what I was told in history lectures...Hungary at the time controlled a large part of the Carpathian Basin and there was a large ethnically Hungarian population in Translyvania, Serbia, Romania and Croatia. I believe it did exist as a nation, and that the cities of Buda and Pest were thriving metrapolisi.


It depends what YEAR do you mean, the mod starts in 1569 ( Polish-Lithuanian union in Lublin) as far as I remember, so Hungary were already conquered by the Ottomans. :bow:

Sad Ronin
05-10-2005, 15:50
some new units from the last:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Swiss_Heawy_Halberdier.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Cossacks_Lanser.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Cossacks_Storozha.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Ukrainian_Hetman.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Rzecpospolita_Hetman.jpg

Meneldil
05-10-2005, 16:34
Well, easily the most beautiful and most detailled skins all around.

Sundjata Keita
05-10-2005, 16:46
I love the detail on the Ukranian Hetman and the Rzephospolita(?) Hetman, can this detail be seen in game? Also how long have you been texturing for? They look very proffesional.

Sundjata Keita

Radier
05-10-2005, 17:23
The units look very very good Sad Ronin. I relay mean it! Very impressive...

Wish you good luck.

cegorach
05-11-2005, 16:51
the Rzephospolita(?) Hetman

Rzeczpospolita i.e Poland ~;)

Sad Ronin
05-28-2005, 08:30
Some new guys from "Ogniem i Mieczem"...))

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Don_Cossack.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Polish_pikeman.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Russian_officers.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Cossacks_Starshina.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Zaporozhye_Cavalry.jpg

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Zaporozhye_Infantry.jpg

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/9834/newanim5yq.jpg

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/726/000119vw.jpg

Radier
05-28-2005, 15:51
Awesome work guys ~:cheers:

GaugamelaTC
05-29-2005, 09:16
It's beautiful! Those cavalry with the people standing up is amazing! Will this be available in the English version eventually. Other wise I will go anywhere to buy that copy of rome just for this mod! Really good, the best units ive seen and so much variety Good luck!

Lord Zimoa of Flanders
05-29-2005, 09:39
Amazing and beautifull skins, any interest in helping making some Napoleonic units in the future?
Top quality guys again proof that talent is on the street.

LZoF

Lord Adherbal
05-29-2005, 09:50
amazing skins. The only critique I have is that the colors look much too bright ingame, you might wanna desaturnate them a bit.

Duke John
05-29-2005, 10:19
The bright colours are probably caused by taking a screenshot of selected units. I believe you can edit the lightning setting in some text file since the bright light does make the units unappealing.

The skins are just awesome.

By the way, I trick I use for muskets; attach the gun to the cloak bones and use that as a third arm to place the musket at different positions. It's a nightmare to animate, but you do get nice loading, aiming and "present-arms" animations.

Sad Ronin
05-30-2005, 11:17
2 GaugamelaTC:
Those cavalry with the people standing up is amazing!

>>>>> It only the beginning.)

Will this be available in the English version eventually.

>>>>> we plan release of game in several languages. English - one of the cores.

2 [cF] Adherbal

The only critique I have is that the colors look much too bright ingame, you might wanna desaturnate them a bit.

>>>>> You are right. Here two ways: or really to make the texture less bright, or to correct global illumination(for example from not shined side they look much better). The allocated units look simply awfully!) Ardent greetings to CA!))

2 Duke John

The bright colours are probably caused by taking a screenshot of selected units. I believe you can edit the lightning setting in some text file since the bright light does make the units unappealing.

>>>>> You are right.

By the way, I trick I use for muskets; attach the gun to the cloak bones and use that as a third arm to place the musket at different positions. It's a nightmare to animate, but you do get nice loading, aiming and "present-arms" animations.

>>>>> an interesting idea.) thanks.

And one more unit which I have not laid out last time: this cossack shoots from a pistol before hand-to-hand attack. They have wide experience of storm of turkish galleys and unapproachable fortresses...

http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Netiaga.jpg

soibean
05-30-2005, 17:54
beautiful screens, keep up the good work

GaugamelaTC
05-30-2005, 21:14
Wow Sad Ronin you and your team really do deserve a hundred gold stars for those skins. Thanks for answering comments. When you said it's only the beginning, I hope to hear some details of that soon! I don't know what you could do better. I've always wanted to find out about this sort of history but recently I haven't had the time. Very professional stuff guys! ~:cool: Btw I assume the cyrillic version of the mod will be released first. And finally I saw in one of your screenshots on your first page link( that there seemed to be some sort of variation of guns in the unit. Was it my imagination?

LorDBulA
05-31-2005, 05:45
Damn i must say that those units are superb.
Propobly the best in RTW mods. Great work guys.
Truly superb. Cant wait to play your Mod.
And those cossacks they look incredible, damn you realy make best models/skins .

Sad Ronin
05-31-2005, 10:02
When you said it's only the beginning, I hope to hear some details of that soon!

>>>>I do not wish to run forward.
Besides there is a saying: " it is better 1 time to see, than hundred times to hear "))
The only thing, that I wish to say, we wish to make very picturesque and atmospheric game.

Btw I assume the cyrillic version of the mod will be released first.

>>>>Certainly. But we shall as soon as possible to translate Mod on English

And finally I saw in one of your screenshots on your first page link( that there seemed to be some sort of variation of guns in the unit. Was it my imagination?

>>>>One unit will have one appearance of fire arms. Though the general arsenal of arms will be wide enough. From primitive harquebus and "samopals" up to rifled barrels of turkish manufacture...

Svarogych
06-03-2005, 18:03
Some Screenshots from OiM campaign map:
Sweden:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/shvecija.jpg
Belarus and Lithuania:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/belarus.jpg
Russia and Moscow:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/rasija.jpg
Ukraine
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/ukraina.jpg
Poland
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/polsha.jpg
Venetia and Habsburg Empire
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/adriatika.jpg
Romania
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/rumynia.jpg
Balcans in winter
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/balkany.jpg
Crimea and Steppes
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/krym.jpg
Caucasus
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/kavkaz.jpg
Transcaucasia in winter
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/zakavkazie.jpg
Asia Minor in winter
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/malajaazija.jpg

SwordsMaster
06-03-2005, 21:22
>>>>Certainly. But we shall as soon as possible to translate Mod on English


I could give you a hand with that if you need it. I can also translate it into spanish if you are considering a spanish version. Just PM me or email at the address in my profile.

~:cheers:

Bavor
06-05-2005, 17:03
Wow, Awesome Mod! Finally, I can play as the Poles!

Speaking of which...

I have quite a few books on Polish History (Such as God's Playground. It has two parts and the first part covers the area of history that we are going over), and if you'd like I could find lotsa stuff about Poland.

Of course, that's if you don't already have someone on it...

Bavor
06-05-2005, 17:09
Oh, and by the way...

In the time in which this mod takes place, Poland-Lithuania was already one country. It was also the largest country on the European continent. Now, I can see why you split some of it's lands into different factions, but will it be like Rome in Vanilla RTW? I.E. The Sejm giving missions to the three other Polish factions?

Monkwarrior
06-05-2005, 17:54
Hi friends,
you are doing a really awesome work. :bow:
From the screenshots of the campaign map it seems to me that there are areas with cities very close one to another. This could make the campaign an endless succession of sieges. How many regions are in your map? Perhaps it would be better for playing (it is not a historical question) to reduce the number to leave room for open field battles.
But it is only my opinion.
Cheers. ~:cheers:

Sad Ronin
06-06-2005, 09:11
SwordsMaster,
Thanks for the offer. :cheers:

Bavor, comrades Cegorach and Robert from P&M perfectly cope with the Polish line. But if you have any interesting information - I shall be grateful. Send it to me on e-mail.
And still:
At us Poland-Lithuania the commonwealth i.e. "RzeczPospolita" also is the uniform state. Actually for this reason Mod begins in 1568. ;) The commonwealth is divided into three noble houses - notable families of Lithuania, Ukraine and Poland. And as - a diet(Seim). As in Great Rome.

Monkwarrior, I understand your concern. We shall make everything that there were as much as possible field battles.)

cegorach
06-06-2005, 09:54
The Sejm giving missions to the three other Polish factions?[/QUOTE]

It is done.

Polish factions:

Zamojscy, Radziwillowie, Wisniowieccy i Sejm & Krol instead of Senat.

Don't worry about Poland - there are 33+ units for polish factions alone.

If you have MTW VI you can play as Poles using PMTW 1.0 release - check our subforum.

Our next project PMTW2 ( for Rome) will allow playing it ( and other factions of course) in a wholly-european map. OiM TW is more detailed, but it is different as well. That's why we are cooperating closely.

Regards Cegorach :charge:

Radier
06-06-2005, 15:02
I´m glad you are cooperating, gives me hope your mods will be finished ~:cheers:

33+ units for Poland... wow. Just don´t forget about Sweden ~;)

Good work with the map btw.

Myrddraal
06-06-2005, 15:07
looking really good... :smile:

cegorach
06-06-2005, 15:32
[QUOTE=Radier]I´m glad you are cooperating, gives me hope your mods will be finished ~:cheers:

33+ units for Poland... wow. Just don´t forget about Sweden ~;)

I will tell you something terrible... ~;)
I am preparing the unit roster for Sweden (and Poland for example) :charge:

The cooperation is essential, I believe - our mods are very close. ~:cheers:

Radier
06-06-2005, 19:36
I trust you will do a great work ~;)

Narayanese
06-06-2005, 20:23
On the swedish cities on your campaign map:

Kalmar is placed too far south, should be as far north as the midpoint of the island Öland.
Falun should be due west of Evle if evle=gävle.
Karlstad was founded in 1584, at that time only 45 families lived there.
I thought Blekinge, Halland and Bohuslän were danish, not swedish (here (http://www.ur.se/landskap/) is a map of sweden's landskap if you wonder where those are.).

And I agree with the rest of the people here, your mod looks awesome.

Samurai Waki
06-07-2005, 02:30
Love your guys work and really looking forward to it. I have been helping Cegorach with researching some stuff on Montenegro military and military history over at the Lordz forum, having some trouble, but I've made a little progress. Not much is mentioned on the terms of actual army composition. Mostly just Montenegrin auxiliaries supported by Serbian and Venetian Regulars(they were essentially a protectorate of Venice)... and then later as semi-auxiliaries used by Turkish.

Sad Ronin
06-07-2005, 09:38
Last units from a line of Zaporozhye:
(Though there will be still an artillery... waggons and something else...)
City cossacks. The prosperous settled part of cossacks carrying garrison service across all Ukraine. Can shoot from fences, but less racks and effective than Zaporozhye cossacks...
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Gorodovoy_Cossack.jpg

Plastuns. Small group of saboteurs... caftans colors khaki...)) Specialize on ambushes, shooting of enemy generals and artillery crews...
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Plastun.jpg

Sich Old Men. One presence of these experienced cossacks on a battlefield doubles forces of the Zaporozhye cossacks. Under direction of grey-moustache old men even young cossacks turn to brave soldiers...
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/Screenshots/Sich_Old_Man.jpg

SwordsMaster
06-07-2005, 10:30
Inspired in Taras Bulba, are you? ~;)

RedCoat
06-07-2005, 18:32
You know that large parts of modern day Romania were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, right? Including Erdely. Why is there now Hungarian faction, and who owns their cities?

cegorach
06-08-2005, 09:36
You know that large parts of modern day Romania were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, right? Including Erdely. Why is there now Hungarian faction, and who owns their cities?

What do you mean ? ~:confused:

If you do not realise the mod starts in 1569 when the territory of Hungary, Moldavia, Transylvania and Wallachia ( so in fact modern Romania, Hungary and Slovakia) was conquered by the Ottomans or existed as a number of vassal, semi-independent states under influence of Poland or the Ottomans.
Only a small territory was still called Royal Hungary and it was in Hapsburg empire.

Regards Cegorach ~:)

Sad Ronin
06-29-2005, 12:44
Political Map of Mod:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/OiM_Map_768.jpg

Increased variant:
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/OiM_Map_1200.jpg


More close to the end of work above project the WIP-map of big format with names of all provinces, cities and the countries, with all geographical and landscape details in spirit of maps of 17-th century + symbolics a Mod will be made.

Radier
06-29-2005, 14:48
Wow great map. ~:cheers:

You and PMTW are the best!

Lord Zimoa of Flanders
06-29-2005, 17:51
Just a small thing, probably a typo, but is is the Habsburg dynasty not Hubsburg.
Great looking map BTW.

LZoF

King Ragnar
06-29-2005, 20:47
The map looks great and the skins are absoloutley amazing, cant wait for release ~D

Stormy
06-30-2005, 10:13
Oh Goodness! this mod is beautiful! Thank you!
This mod takes place in an area in the world and the era I like! ~:cheers:


Can we also see some Tatars soon. Thanks you, once again. :bow:

vlad 1
07-01-2005, 06:15
not bad add for zaporosian cossacs kiev or better place near kiev too

bogdan hmelnickij take kiev (better say not take) kiev all time help for zaporosian rebbels with their revolt -and ukrainian terrytory

Sad Ronin
07-13-2005, 09:19
one more Swordmaster...)

http://www.oimtw.com/project/graphics/screenshots/Mercenary_Sword_Master.jpg

Pewe
07-15-2005, 19:03
On the swedish cities on your campaign map:

Kalmar is placed too far south, should be as far north as the midpoint of the island Öland.
Falun should be due west of Evle if evle=gävle.
Karlstad was founded in 1584, at that time only 45 families lived there.
I thought Blekinge, Halland and Bohuslän were danish, not swedish (here (http://www.ur.se/landskap/) is a map of sweden's landskap if you wonder where those are.).

And I agree with the rest of the people here, your mod looks awesome.
Why not spell it "Gefle" (It's the older spelling for it right?)


And when you do the swedish units, for gods sake don't forget Karolinerna.

Stormy
07-16-2005, 20:10
Wonderful. :::Patiently waits for the next set of photos::: ~;)

Stormy
09-17-2005, 21:55
:::Bump:::


Any new updates guy's ? :mickey:

Geoffrey S
09-18-2005, 11:52
Yeah. This mod looks very promising.

KiberMax
09-20-2005, 09:52
New updating will be in the near future. We had a small holiday.

Zharakov
09-20-2005, 21:36
I just want more MODS about Russia... we Russians are the bomb... quiteliteraly.... ;)

Stormy
09-20-2005, 21:42
New updating will be in the near future. We had a small holiday.



:2thumbsup: That's good to know. I had negative thoughts of this project being abandoned! ~:eek:

I'll be here for the next preview. ~D Thanks.

cegorach
09-21-2005, 17:02
I just want more MODS about Russia... we Russians are the bomb... quiteliteraly.... ;)


Russia is one of the countries in this mod. It seems that its unit list/textures/models are almost finished, but... don't get me wrong it is concenntrated on different countries more, that is why even the name of the mod is in Polish.

Anyway there will be two 'russian' factions and 4 'polish'.

My regards Cegorach

Zharakov
09-21-2005, 20:27
Shhh....

You are ruening my good feeling... :D

And Pols are ok... At least they are not Russian wanna bees like Latvia... *JK* :D

KiberMax
09-22-2005, 07:27
This mod does not concentrate on Poland. It not concentrates on Russia and not on Zaporozhye. This mod concentrates on central and the East Europe.
By the way, the Polish fractions can become only two.

cegorach
09-24-2005, 11:48
So I see that OiM was overwhelmed by the Barbarians !

It is a wise decision and having 2 'Polish' ( in fact Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian-Belorussian-German-Jewish-Tatar-Scottish-Armenian etc) factions isn't bad anyway.

Still the mod DID concentrate on Poland like RTW on Rome - to the same degree if you see the role of the Senat and 3 other factions.

The BI will be good anyway.

cheers ! Cegorach ~:cheers:

KiberMax
09-26-2005, 06:59
You are not absolutely right. Poland in days of mod is one of the strongest, greatest and interesting fractions. But it does not mean that other fractions will look worse than Poland. We try to make all fractions interesting! With the features and weaknesses. And we are grateful to you for the help. Poland is the great country to which in mod the big attention is paid. But I hope that mod will interestingly to all.

KiberMax
11-25-2005, 09:54
Our new unit
https://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2605/tatararcher014jo.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Hans Kloss
11-25-2005, 09:57
Great looking Tatar archer...just like that one I saw in movie "Ogniem i Mieczem" ~:)

Duke John
11-25-2005, 10:10
Are you having problems with the mod, do you need help? News is very sparse or do you post at other sites more often and which one are they?

KiberMax
11-25-2005, 10:19
Simply we have not enough modelers and texturers. and we have decided to alter a part of that have already made.

al'Callaendor
11-25-2005, 13:25
nice~:)

Geoffrey S
11-25-2005, 13:57
Still looking good, I hope you get the staffing problems sorted!

Radzikowski
11-30-2005, 20:30
Awesome! I've become a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth history and culture maniac recently, so can't wait to play the mod! And it looks great!

Question: If there are going to be 2 Commonwealth factions, what are they going to be? The Crown (Poland + Ruthenia) and Lithuania? That would make sense, I guess... And it's better than these 3 family factions, as there were more than 3 powerful families in the Commonwealth (so why not Pac, Sapieha, Lubomirski, Koniecpolski or any other family?).

Are there still going to be Sejm missions (Senate missions)?

Noticed something about Brandenburg-Prussia. Since 1525 Ducal Prussia was a fief of the Commonwealth and was not one country with Brandenburg till 1618 (though ruled by the same person). But it's probably better to make them one faction after all...

I'm waiting with excitement for more progress info! :)

Stormy
12-19-2005, 11:11
Beautiful Tatar unit, KiberMax. I'm seriously anticipating this mod.

KiberMax
01-16-2006, 07:56
Here one of our new horses.
Lusitano
https://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2553/h64pe4ck.th.jpg (https://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h64pe4ck.jpg)

Radier
01-16-2006, 08:11
Wow. Very detailed and beautiful. ~:cheers:

Gen_Lee
01-17-2006, 11:27
Need to follow this topic more closer, amazing units, cant wait to try it:)

Stormy
01-18-2006, 03:48
I love those horses. Excellent job.

beauchamp
01-18-2006, 04:30
I love the Henry Sienkewitz sieries and have seen all the movies except Colonel Wolodyjowski, and am in utter obsession of the romantic and glorious Polish history that is depicted through the movies and books. Especially the Husaria, I mean Mein Gott! They are so F***ing cool! This mod will be a ton of fun, especially planning ambushes and kicking some Swede ass!

ps: Cegorach, nice work on the Katzbalger infantry lol

cegorach
01-18-2006, 12:14
My part is VERY limited in OiM TW - it is mainly advising, so I shouldn't be credited for their work.

Regards Cegorach :book:

Lord Zimoa of Flanders
01-20-2006, 22:23
Has anybody seen Lord Ronin aka Sad Ronin, I really need to talk with him.
I lost all contact, could somebody help me here?

Cheers,

LZoF

cegorach
01-24-2006, 10:59
I will try LZoF :book:

Lord Zimoa of Flanders
01-24-2006, 21:59
Thanks all who replied here or via PM, when you speak to Lord Ronin, ask him to check the Lordz forum. Cheers, LZoF

Steppe Merc
01-25-2006, 22:10
This looks really interesting, though I'm not a huge fan of gunpowder, the Crimean Khanate sounds really interesting from what I've read of them. Deffiently I will download this when it's ready!

morano
01-31-2006, 16:12
hi

Great MOD!!!

only one suggestion : Tatars looks strange on those horses - try to decrease their size, and (if possible ) make them more bulge-look ( sorry can't find better translation)

http://www.skh.horsesport.pl/index.php?str=hist

Steppe Merc
02-01-2006, 02:28
Oh, more steppe pony like? Yeah, I think that's just a vanilla horse...

KiberMax
02-01-2006, 10:17
In game we shall make some types of horses. Probably steppe horse will be too.

KiberMax
02-26-2006, 20:15
Pair new screens in the 3DMax

strelcy and pushkary shoot from the cannon...

https://img494.imageshack.us/img494/9967/artillery4eq3rd.th.jpg (https://img494.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artillery4eq3rd.jpg)

https://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2782/artillery26hj4ip.th.jpg (https://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artillery26hj4ip.jpg)

Duke John
02-27-2006, 20:15
Just plain wonderful! I await this mod with great anticipation :2thumbsup:

Samurai Waki
02-27-2006, 22:38
good god those units are beautiful.:jawdrop:

methoz
02-28-2006, 14:11
your mod ic VERY nice...im Bohemian...my plain is play as Habsburgs :D
but no mod, your web is death or i dont know... bad :idea2:

cegorach
02-28-2006, 14:48
Don't worry they will prepare it sooner or later - there is no playable release yet, but there will be for sure ! :book: :2thumbsup:

KiberMax
02-28-2006, 14:54
Our new site now in development.
Soon I shall inform the new address

KiberMax
03-20-2006, 00:25
new screens

https://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6808/tatars219oy1ed.th.jpg (https://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tatars219oy1ed.jpg)

https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/192/austriamusketeer22hh0un.th.jpg (https://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=austriamusketeer22hh0un.jpg)

Stormy
03-20-2006, 22:19
Whoa!! Absolutely stunning!! :jumping:

Geoffrey S
03-20-2006, 22:54
What he said. Be sure to improve the terrain, vegetation and colouring like the Napoleon TW team are doing; that's the only way to do such excellent looking units justice.

KiberMax
03-21-2006, 07:35
Thanks guys! Your support strongly helps us!
You can be assured, our architecture and vegetation will look very well

Duke John
03-21-2006, 07:38
Yes, your models really need an upgrade of the battlefield. Let me know if you need any info on how to do that. You can download sample trees here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1060245&postcount=1

KiberMax
03-21-2006, 07:45
Thanks Duke John! I read your Tutorial, and soon I shall start to do vegetation. I shall let you know if I will have questions. Thanks again.

cegorach
03-21-2006, 12:05
Very impressive work ! :2thumbsup:

BTW Check the links set in OiM forum - I mean Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania - Forgus posted a lot of architectural data - castles, churches and other stuff. :book:

Voevod al Moldovei
04-10-2006, 01:49
yes but only for transylvanya

he ignored the other regions hey if you're under staffed i can lend my skills

Swarozyc
04-13-2006, 00:10
ok it looks so great, but where or when i'll be able to download this? i really want to play this. :help:

Idomeneas
04-16-2006, 13:15
very beautifull work guys.

XelNaga
05-19-2006, 14:06
http://totalwar.iatp.org.ua/OiM/LableOiM640_2.jpg

I represent you mod Ogniem i Mieczem: Total War (With Fire and Sword:TW).

Bud`mo!


First of all, i whant to say thank you, because it is really greate work you did. But, here is a very big mistake in your mod(i found one, the gratest, but i'm not sure that there are not others mistakes). Its about histry. Yuo wrote^
Culture "Russia",
Faction « Moscow Tzardom »
Faction « the Cossack Armyof Don »

Culture "Zaporozhye",
Faction « Zaporozhye Army »

the Cossack Armyof Don was formed after destroing Zaporozhye Army by Kateruna II. This is like Hitler has war with July Cesar. It is verry different periods of time and Army of Don was created much more later than 1700 year.

Sorry for such post, but effect of this mod will be much more better if it will be historically correct.
Thank you for you great job.
It would be great if you answer will you fix it, and when the mod will be ready.

KiberMax
05-19-2006, 17:06
XelNaga

You are not right and your message has strongly surprised me!!! How can you approve such nonsense? The Don cossacks have appeared approximately during one time with the Zaporozhye cossacks. And ancestors of cossacks - Brodniks lived in these places in days of Kievan Rus. Russian tsar Ivan the terrible(1530-1584) employed the Don cossacks to itself on service. The ataman of the Don cossacks Ermak Timofeevich with cossacks, has subdued Siberia(The end 1570 - the beginning 1580). In 1637 the Don cossacks have grasped the Turkish cityAzov and five years protected city from the Turk and Tatars. The Don cossacks participated practically in all campaigns of Russian tsars since 16 centuries Military campaigns of the Don cossacks can be listed very long. But I think that it enough to show your mistake. You need to better learn history my friend.

methoz
05-19-2006, 17:29
demo or public beta ??? :idea2:

KiberMax
05-19-2006, 17:39
methoz
Still it is not ready. But we plan to realize Beta soon.

Myrddraal
05-19-2006, 18:17
Your units are stunning as always. Could you tell me who your principal modeller/s is/are?

Truely fantastic.

KiberMax
05-19-2006, 20:44
Myrddraal
We have many modellers, but the principal modeller is mi, and Ronin our principal texturer.

Lord Zimoa of Flanders
05-20-2006, 14:42
I hope Lord Ronin pops into the Lordz again one of these days, we surely miss his skill and company.
Great work as usual.

Give him our greetings.

Cheers,

LZoF

Duke John
05-20-2006, 15:44
Ah crap, I saw this bumped and I hoped because of a new screenshot. Feel free to do so, even when it's just a bunch of old units! :2thumbsup:

XelNaga
05-20-2006, 19:27
XelNaga

You are not right and your message has strongly surprised me!!! How can you approve such nonsense? The Don cossacks have appeared approximately during one time with the Zaporozhye cossacks. And ancestors of cossacks - Brodniks lived in these places in days of Kievan Rus. Russian tsar Ivan the terrible(1530-1584) employed the Don cossacks to itself on service. The ataman of the Don cossacks Ermak Timofeevich with cossacks, has subdued Siberia(The end 1570 - the beginning 1580). In 1637 the Don cossacks have grasped the Turkish cityAzov and five years protected city from the Turk and Tatars. The Don cossacks participated practically in all campaigns of Russian tsars since 16 centuries Military campaigns of the Don cossacks can be listed very long. But I think that it enough to show your mistake. You need to better learn history my friend.

Sorry, this is my mistake, i did it because think of migration of Zhaporizh cossack after destroying the Sich.

Now i know that this mod is developed by not just an entusiasts, but people hwo now history very good. Till now i just whant to dowload this mod, but now i want to download it veryyyyyy strongly :)

Thank you for what you doing!!!

P.S. But question when it will be ready is not answered :)

KiberMax
05-21-2006, 07:51
Sorry, this is my mistake, i did it because think of migration of Zhaporizh cossack after destroying the Sich.

no problem ;)



Now i know that this mod is developed by not just an entusiasts, but people hwo now history very good.

Thank you.
With creation of mod we are helped by historians and ethnographers. We try to make historically authentic mod.




P.S. But question when it will be ready is not answered :)
I cannot answer this question. We try to make mod as soon as possible, but still a lot of work should be made...

Thanks all of you

Voevod al Moldovei
05-29-2006, 19:43
hey i really want to help with this mod and i have already made 3 models of moldovan solders and a moldovan general based on stefan the great and i am working on ren no jidai

But if you don't need me ill understand with a sad heart

Set
06-01-2006, 18:43
Voevod al Moldovei,
read PM.

R4P
06-01-2006, 20:40
Oh wow, how come I didn’t find out about this sooner? Amazing detail on those units. Keep up the good work!

Myrddraal
06-01-2006, 23:02
Welcome to the .org Set and R4P :thumbsup:

SHREDDER
08-03-2006, 07:06
Hello! I make the models of Tatars and Turks.


http://s9.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_1490/T0_-1_1490928.jpg

http://s9.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_1490/T0_-1_1490930.jpg

http://s9.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_1494/T0_-1_1494057.jpg

http://s10.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_1497/T0_-1_1497104.jpg

SHREDDER
08-07-2006, 07:54
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1510276/0/nouser_1510/T0_-1_1510276.jpg

cegorach
08-07-2006, 10:29
Good you have revived this thread.:2thumbsup:

I was thinking about posting the images right now, good it is you.:book:

legion commander167
08-09-2006, 02:49
is this mod is this mod gonna be in english? the name does not look english?

cegorach
08-09-2006, 07:19
It doesn't, but the mod will be in English - names in national languages, but descriptions in English.

Regards Cegorach:book:

SHREDDER
08-09-2006, 13:19
Foot Sipahi

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1517568/0/nouser_1517/T0_-1_1517568.jpg

Set
08-09-2006, 16:53
These guys look really solid, don't they?

Lord Adherbal
08-09-2006, 21:39
little suggestion, add some serious shading at his fronthead below the helmet, so it doesn't look like it's attached to the helmet.

Myrddraal
08-09-2006, 22:00
Good work, and welcome to Set and SHREDDER :bow:

Nice to see this thread with some activity again :smile:

SHREDDER
08-11-2006, 08:41
Cheap light infantry and cavalry


http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1522306/0/nouser_1522/T0_-1_1522306.jpg

legion commander167
08-12-2006, 03:48
how big is the map gonna be?

i can't wait for this mod it looks great.

:juggle2: :furious3: :oops: :skull:

legion commander167
08-12-2006, 03:50
Foot Sipahi

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1517568/0/nouser_1517/T0_-1_1517568.jpg

that guy looks like he can kick ass

SHREDDER
08-14-2006, 06:57
Elite light cavalry


http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1531075/0/nouser_1531/T0_-1_1531075.jpg

kambiz
08-14-2006, 12:41
Hello SHREDDER;
Wooow ,Its Awesome buddy.~:thumb: I'm realy interested in.Can you tell me when you will release it?
My passion will be increased if you show me some units of "Safavid Empire".

Thanks mate very good preview :2thumbsup:
-Kambiz

Stormy
08-14-2006, 20:30
Amazing as always! :2thumbsup:

SHREDDER
08-15-2006, 08:57
Thanks for all !

kambiz

It's units of pan Zarus ~:)

Safavid tribe cavalry
https://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plemennayacav4qn.jpg

This is a Kizilbashi.
https://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prezentqzilbash8ni.jpg

More…
https://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chernayacostprezent0nq.jpg


Sorry my English ~:cheers: :wall:

kambiz
08-15-2006, 13:07
Hi SHREDDER;
Thank you for pics ,Awesome.:2thumbsup: I'm waiting for more mate.
Why you do not extend the campaign map more to the east?

Kambiz

Set
08-16-2006, 10:48
Hi SHREDDER;
Thank you for pics ,Awesome.:2thumbsup: I'm waiting for more mate.
Why you do not extend the campaign map more to the east?

Kambiz

What for? We have all major powers that we need on our map.

Set
08-16-2006, 10:57
BTW guys, we need some help.
- buildings modellers;
- texture makers;
- level designers (historical battles).
PM me if really want our mod to be finished ASAP. And if you want to see the Beta.

SHREDDER
08-17-2006, 06:55
Elite guard

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1539219/0/nouser_1539/T0_-1_1539219.jpg

SHREDDER
08-21-2006, 06:56
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0608/9042de9b0215.jpg

SHREDDER
08-25-2006, 07:20
http://c.foto.radikal.ru/0608/ded3a2fad879.jpg

Myrddraal
08-31-2006, 02:43
What's with the wings on the shields of the Elite light cavalry? Surely nobody fought with shields like that?

Stunning models btw

SHREDDER
08-31-2006, 07:29
http://f.foto.radikal.ru/0608/bb0ed4b6dfca.jpg

SHREDDER
09-01-2006, 06:43
Myrddraal

~:cheers:

We have at least 4 real pictures of hussars with such shields. And those pictures aren't Renaissance ones, but Osprey's.


http://f.foto.radikal.ru/0609/3686f234f858.jpg


http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/6beeb2caed67.jpg

cegorach
09-01-2006, 11:19
The officer must be corrected.:book:

SHREDDER
09-04-2006, 06:40
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0609/dc70a252940e.jpg

cegorach
09-04-2006, 07:24
Much better :2thumbsup:

SHREDDER
09-04-2006, 11:47
http://f.foto.radikal.ru/0609/f38d8158d623.jpg

cegorach
09-04-2006, 11:50
Very good work :balloon2:

SHREDDER
09-05-2006, 10:45
http://f.foto.radikal.ru/0609/a67eaabc228e.jpg

http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/18235154aaed.jpg

SHREDDER
09-06-2006, 06:48
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0609/f2e5dfba6850.jpg

Jamoid
09-11-2006, 08:15
these models are beautiful.

not only are they some of the most detailed i've seen, but they also have their own style, due probably to the fact that they look like they've all been made from scratch, whereas some mods use a generic skin/mesh and work on that.

being scottish this is an era/setting i know absolutely nothing about, but if anything that just makes me want to play this mod even more.

^^

SHREDDER
09-11-2006, 08:20
http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/17337ffa9680.jpg

http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/c3b8b7e40b51.jpg

SHREDDER
09-12-2006, 08:31
http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/415096ef4cde.jpg

Rex_Pelasgorum
09-12-2006, 22:03
Will Walahia and Moldavia be playable factions ?
Can pls, pls, pls post some skins of theyr units ? ~:)

Set
09-13-2006, 15:11
Will Walahia and Moldavia be playable factions ?
Can pls, pls, pls post some skins of theyr units ? ~:)
Wallachian Principality and Moldavian Principality will be playable.

Rex_Pelasgorum
09-14-2006, 12:37
Wallachian Principality and Moldavian Principality will be playable.

This sounds very, very, very good.
I`ll deffinetly download the Mod ~:)

suchacz
09-23-2006, 02:21
I seriously ask: WHEN will you release this AWESOME mod? I couldn't find any dates nowhere. And I cant stand days and days without any news about that if youre finishing yer work or is there still much to do... please answer...
lots of RESPECT

Set
09-23-2006, 10:02
I seriously ask: WHEN will you release this AWESOME mod? I couldn't find any dates nowhere. And I cant stand days and days without any news about that if youre finishing yer work or is there still much to do... please answer...
lots of RESPECT
The problem is we don't know. I can only say beta is coming out soon.

SHREDDER
09-27-2006, 16:12
http://c.foto.radikal.ru/0609/24b4be65f0f0.jpg

http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/715f769c5dd5.jpg

http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/c1382767d377.jpg

methoz
09-28-2006, 13:33
looks great..but now is not for rtw? or yes?
mtw2 come soon.... and you mod?

Myrddraal
09-28-2006, 15:32
Looking good :thumbsup:

SHREDDER
09-29-2006, 19:52
methoz

for rtw


http://e.foto.radikal.ru/0609/b3d22442b076.jpg

Myrddraal
09-30-2006, 01:33
Great work!

SHREDDER could you get Set to PM me back so we can get the ball rolling...

Helgi
10-01-2006, 17:22
The models look great, I can only hope to play this soon. Love the work on the Cossacks of late.

Stormy
10-05-2006, 20:38
Stunning work! As always! :2thumbsup:

grzeg
10-08-2006, 11:15
Stunning work indeed. Please don't let it die, I'm more willing to play this than MII.

I wonder how you solve some problems in the campaign... some narrative plots could be really interesting, like senat or papal missions in Total war games. I wish you all the best, may you successfully capture all the complexities of the region at the period and render the atmosphere. :) Cheers!

Stormy
11-25-2006, 20:40
Any updates coming soon ?

szczerbiec
11-28-2006, 16:48
Update! Update! Update! :charge:

Voevod al Moldovei
12-12-2006, 11:08
Adress la fiecare roman and the internatinal comunity

I am the man working on the troops for Moldova and Romania and although I have tried to be inventive my resources are very dry. So I ask of you to post here or direct me to any resources that illustrates how our troops looked and what type existed. I would really appreciate some pictures of Boieri in battle and maybe some suggestions as to the dress of Oastea mare

Camillvs
12-28-2006, 23:07
Boys, my Polish Brothers. I beg you. No hussar wings! It's a myth that hussars used such wings like your "winged hussar late". You must have seen these winged hussars in Museum of Polish Army. Wings at hussar armors were added in XVIII/XIX century.

Guys, of course some kind of wing appeared from time to time, but they weren't added to armors. Rather to saddles. And there should be some feathers on helmet. This would be realistic, but it's tour mod ;)

Mircea85
06-14-2007, 18:10
Any chance of a campaign about Poland and the region in XVIII century?
Great mod, one of the best mods for RTW. Cheers

cegorach
06-15-2007, 09:09
Campaign is unlikely on RTW engine.

Besides currently the work is suspended - the guys are mostly students and have exams to pass...:beam:

Maybe if the mod proves to be popular enough it will get some support before MTW2 project is done.:inquisitive:

AlJabberwock
07-07-2007, 09:52
To Camillus and the "With Fire and Sword" crew,

I agree that extant samples of hussar "wings" mostly appear to be items that were attached to the saddle and not the armor although the Royal castle at Warsaw insists that some were made to be fixed to backplates as well...if supportable would be indicative that tatar 'ropings' were no longer the reason the wings were worn in these later editions. Indeed, the original reputed main function of the wings (beyond pagentry, fright and the truly mad noise they make in a charge - you would not underrate this if you have participated in such a mad rush of cavalry laden with feathers) was to prevent lassos from easily encircling and removing the rider from the horse. The wings would not prevent this in any way were they not attached to the horse!

The period from the Union of Lublin (1569) to the end of the Commonwealth (1795) is replete with contemporary both foreign-written description and examples of tapestries graphically depicting Polish hussaria with wings prior to the 18th century. I have actually seen one in Portugal, and I am aware of at least another 16th century one still extant in Italy. As I write this, I am looking at a reproduction of a painting "Entry of the Wedding Procession of Constance of Austria and Sigismund III into Cracow" ("Stockholm Roll") (detail) after 1605 which I have framed in my den, which has just such a group of Hussaria. Since by 1609 Sigismund had moved his Swedish warmongering ways to Warsaw, (he laid claim to Sweden's crown and frittered away much of the Comonwealth' stength that would shortly be needed elsewhere) and the painting was known to be completed before this, I have to think there were indeed units of this type at least in the minds of contemporary foreign recorders by late 16th century at the latest.

Whether only one unit or several had the winged feature in common, or whether this only existed in a smattering of individuals in one or more units; it is truly some of the notoriety and romantic myth common to the age's western perception of the Commonwealth's exotic weaponry and circumstance. Did all heavy infantry from Venice have nice, fluted armor? No? Probably not, but that's what you get when you play MTW2 because a shapeless, characterless mass of men with clubs and sticks that looks like all the other shapeless characterless masses is not what you hope you have been spending all that time upgrading to get...

Given that the Mod's objective is to achieve the "flavor and ambience" - the feel of the region and time is given further color by the name they have chosen. If choosing Sienkiewicz's title (in English his Polish historical trilogy is called "With Fire and Sword") adds not enough romance to the interpretation the mod seeks, clearly one has not read the Nobel prize winning author. Were the reader to look carefully at the Polish family names chosen by the modders they would see the hand of the famous writer.

Perhaps equally entertaining is to imagine which version each of the players (indeed modders as well) may have read of this trilogy, published, as it was, after the dissolution of Poland. Written by a Polish proto-nationalist with versions in each of the three sections of then erstwhile Poland (Prussia, Russia, and Austria-Hungary), revisions of all types in all parts of the world with diverse political agendas still remain.

Heh! Loads of laughs, hope I can get the MTW2 version to work when it comes out, I will be very very glad, as will my brother. I have constructed one bleeding edge machine so far that plays MTW2 with both hands tied behind its back and once I have recovered from vacation will build a second for lan-ing.

The poster above with Davies' "Gods Playground" has my respect. This is an excellent resource. While I only own the first volume (the modern era is not of interest to me), I can attest to its fairly objective tone and academic qualities - and criminy, the detail will choke the life from anyone who insists upon it!

Please pm me with any question or source material from this time and region. Please note that I do not have extensive information for Walachia or Moldavia, but I do know where to find it.

It is written.

Al Jabberwock

christof139
07-21-2007, 06:00
"the original reputed main function of the wings (beyond pagentry, fright and the truly mad noise they make in a charge - you would not underrate this if you have participated in such a mad rush of cavalry laden with feathers) was to prevent lassos from easily encircling and removing the rider from the horse. The wings would not prevent this in any way were they not attached to the horse!"

It's also a myth that the wings made a lot of noise. Cavalry didn't generally make 'mad rushes', they made disciplined attacks and the Hussari were very disciplined.

What made the supposed strange noise associated with a Hussari charge was most likely the fluttering of their very looonng pennants. Very long.

If the wings were attached to the back, the it would be impossible to make certain overhead sabre movements. However, the Hussari's second weapon was a long and thin sword, a mini-lance more or less (and the turks had one too, but the Polish one was thinner and longer), used only for thrusting at targets, therby eliminating problems of using a saber if also having a wing or two attached to the rider's back. It is possible that wings were attached to a rider's back, but I bet they were little used, with wings attached to the horse being more common and no wings at all being yet more common. Wings on the back would require additional strength and effort from the rider, therby adding to fatigue and loss of stamina and endurance, and that strength and effort is put to better use in other ways in a battle.

Chris

pnowackimg69
12-02-2008, 10:46
Husaria do boju:D