Release of xtra units

[The Stranger]

is EB gonna release units that didn't made it into the game

[khelvan]

Units that don't make it into the game are left up to the option of their creators.

[Steppe Merc]

But we're gonna use all the model space, so you can't add in extras unless you take out some other models.

[nwnzocker]

Are there any 2 models with the same .cas and same skeleton that are just created to have a second skin useable for the same faction ?

Example from Vanilla RTW :
carthaginian_heavy_infantry and carthaginian_medium_infantry

because if so you are far from using all model spaces.

[khelvan]

You don't understand. We're not using ANY vanilla models, we are making 255 new ones.

[Shrapnel]

I thought it was 300?

[khelvan]

No, 255 is the limit. 300 was the old unit limit, 500 is the new one. But we won't even come close to that, since the majority of what we want to do relies on new models. A new unit isn't really a new unit if we can't show differences is weapons, armor, and clothing. Much of that relies on modelling. So models are the real bottleneck.

Renaming something and giving it to a new faction does not make it a new unit. So we're really in a tough spot...but we're doing our best.

[The Stranger]

But we're gonna use all the model space, so you can't add in extras unless you take out some other models.

i'll be running two RTW files

[nwnzocker]

You don't understand. We're not using ANY vanilla models, we are making 255 new ones.

I didn't ask if you use vanilla models. i asked if you have any models with identical .cas and skeleton like CA did in vanilla for some models just to get 2 different skins for the same faction into the game.
The Libyan Spearman and Poeni Infantry are just an example for this.

[khelvan]

I am afraid you don't understand how models work. What counts as another model is not an actual file, but rather a new entry in descr_model_battle.txt. Each entry in DMB.txt counts as one "model slot," and each entry only has one texture per faction. I could use the same .CAS for several different units, but if they must all be available to the same faction, they must all have a new entry in DMB.txt, and thus they all use a different "model."

[nwnzocker]

I am afraid you don't understand how models work. What counts as another model is not an actual file, but rather a new entry in descr_model_battle.txt. Each entry in DMB.txt counts as one "model slot," and each entry only has one texture per faction. I could use the same .CAS for several different units, but if they must all be available to the same faction, they must all have a new entry in DMB.txt, and thus they all use a different "model."

Khelvan you don't have to explain to me what counts as a "model slot".
Actually it was me over at the TWC who made you aware of the limit for model slots before patch 1.2 came out even though i had made a little miscount and thought the limit was 245 and not 255.

For the "each entry only has one texture per faction" there are ways to come around this and have 2 skins for the same faction in only one entry/model ,but since i "don't understand how models work" you are probably not interested in what i found out.

As a side note : just because you/the EB team doesn't know of a way to have 2 skins for the same faction in one model entry doesn't automatically mean there is no way. It seems some people at EB are really arrogant and think they know everything.

[The Stranger]

i think you are a bit angry, tell me boy what do you have on your heart.

[eadingas]

God, some people have attitude problems...

[khelvan]

Khelvan you don't have to explain to me what counts as a "model slot".
Actually it was me over at the TWC who made you aware of the limit for model slots before patch 1.2 came out even though i had made a little miscount and thought the limit was 245 and not 255.

For the "each entry only has one texture per faction" there are ways to come around this and have 2 skins for the same faction in only one entry/model ,but since i "don't understand how models work" you are probably not interested in what i found out.

As a side note : just because you/the EB team doesn't know of a way to have 2 skins for the same faction in one model entry doesn't automatically mean there is no way. It seems some people at EB are really arrogant and think they know everything.I was polite and trying to be helpful. You are unpleasant and are assuming things you have no right to. I may not have understood what you are asking for, and I certainly meant no offense, but your response was not called for. You are free to leave if you cannot conduct yourself in a civil manner.

Edit: If you are referring to using the merc skin, we have plans for using it, yes.

[Sarcasm]

@ nwnzocker:

Chill.

[jerby]

back to teh original topic, will we see just a sreenie, or desciption of untis that didnt make it?

[Steppe Merc]

As a side note : just because you/the EB team doesn't know of a way to have 2 skins for the same faction in one model entry doesn't automatically mean there is no way. It seems some people at EB are really arrogant and think they know everything.
We do know how to have 2 skins for the same faction.
You have no right to come in and start throwing insults at us.

[Crownsteler]

Well, there are a few units of which I know that they aren't used anymore, but after seeing what skins are replacing them, I don't even want the old ones anymore! ;)

btw, they are the:
Sacred Band (http://img54.exs.cx/img54/8964/i5ka.jpg)
Sacred Band Cavalry (http://img24.exs.cx/img24/7452/a6db.jpg)
Lybian Spearmen (http://img133.exs.cx/img133/2299/a6aw.jpg)

all by Prometheus, you could ask him if he could release them.

[The Stranger]

yeah thanx, i thibk i will

[Temple]

I'm actually more interested in the guys with the big red shields, behind the Libyan Spearmen.. They seem cool..

[The Stranger]

you mean the SACRED BAND

[Crownsteler]

No, that are celti-iberian spearmen, I don't think they are used anymore (but I'm not sure), Prometheus made those too.

[monkian]

Jesus, is it just me or are there some real wankers popping up on these boards all of a sudden ?

[Temple]

Jesus, is it just me or are there some real wankers popping up on these boards all of a sudden ?

Um.. Who are you referring to here?

[monkian]

The one or two idiots popping up and insulting the EB team who are working their arses off doing a fantastic job on a mod they're not even being paid for.

I'm guessing these people are from TWC

[jerby]

here here. ncie speech, and true

[Simetrical]

I'm guessing these people are from TWCHey, be fair. We TWCers don't have a monopoly on stupidity. I mean, they could be from the .COM too. ~;)

-Simetrical

[monkian]

Hey, be fair. We TWCers don't have a monopoly on stupidity. I mean, they could be from the .COM too. ~;)

-Simetrical

Fair point, I stand corrected :bow:

[The Stranger]

don't you like TWC or is that totalwarcenter or the Trivium organisation

[Simetrical]

TWC = Total War Center
TTO = The Trivium Organization

-Simetrical

[The Stranger]

so what's your beeft with TWC about

[Big_John]

so what's your beeft with TWC aboutmonkian is an ORGer (aka organ). there is no further justification necessary for beef with the twc. :bow:

and being a fan of the tw series is all that is necessary for having a beef with the com. ~D

[The Stranger]

ok but still i don't get it. (i get th one with the .com) but whats wrong with TWC (or the people of it)

[Big_John]

i don't know, i was just kidding. i know some people don't like the twc for reasons relating to a tv show or something. i forget.

[The Stranger]

hmmm ok

[monkian]

Bercause people on the ORG are generally polite and can actually string sentences together.

People on TWC are generally rude and moronic and there seems to be a spate of idiots on these modding forums since EB had threads on TWC

[The Stranger]

so you're saying i'm rude and moronic, cuz i'm around on TWC (not that often but still). also i'm on the .ORG and i know sum people that are in the same situation like me.

[eadingas]

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[monkian]

Emperor.

Did I say that ?

Did I say that you were personally rude and moronic ?

Or did I say people on the TWC were generally rude and moronic ?

[The Stranger]

easy Monkian, it was more a question than a statement

[monkian]

Looked more like a statement to me Dude because of the lack of ?

No worries- my original post was never aimed at you anyway.

[The Stranger]

i knew it wasn't. but let's forget about it? OK

btw i'm not a . ? ! type of guy.

[Nomad]

Ok Ok guys,
Enuff already. So are you gonna release these new tasty units and models and are there any more coming. :smiley2:
Keep up the excellant work EB team