Rodion Romanovich
06-05-2005, 14:14
THIS TOPIC IS NOT YET UPDATED. THE FINAL PROVINCE LIST WILL BE REVEALED LATER.
These are the provinces that'll be included on the map. This is still being discussed and will be updated as changes are made.
Decisions about names: Probably use local names when possible, although for provinces which changed hands a lot it's not clear which name to use with that system. In cases where it's unclear or names aren't available, we stick to English name. For local names, characters like ´ etc. are removed. Å becomes AA or AO, Ä becomes AE or A, Ö becomes OE or O, Ü becomes U or UE.
NORWAY AREA
* Hordaland - Bergen (town) (rebels)
* Hafrsfjord (rebels) - Nord-Jaeren / Stafangr (town) (strong rebels)
* Vaestfold - Kaupang (position close to Oslo but further down the fiord) (large town) (owned by Norway)
* Trondelag - Trondheim (town) (rebels)
* Hologaland (modern Lofoten area and mainland next to it) - Narvik (better city needed) (village) (rebels)
* (PERHAPS REMOVE THIS ONE:) Northern Norway - Tromso (village) (rebels)
* Finnmark (rebels) - Kirkenes (situated next to Barents Sea and modern Russian border) (village) (rebels)
DENMARK AREA
* Sjaelland (Zealland) - Roskilde (town) (owned by Danes)
* Holsetaland (modern Nordfriesland, in modern Schleswig-Holstein area) - Haithabu / Hedeby (was the largest nordic city of the viking age, will have much importance and fairly large population, large town or city) (owned by Danes)
* North Jutland (better province name needed) - Aalborg or Viborg (settlement will have good fortifications, was historically part of Danish fortification systems in the area, town) (owned by Danes)
* Middle Jutland - Jelling (town) (owned by Danes)
ICELAND AREA
* Iceland - Reyjkjavik (village/town) (rebels)
IRELAND AREA
* Midhe (Meath) - Teamhaidh (Tara) (rebels)
* Ulaid (Ulster) - Armagh (strong viking rebels)
* Laigin (Leinster) - Ferns (strong viking rebels)
* Muma (Munster) - Cashel (rebels)
* Connaught (Connacht) - Tuam (owned by Irish)
* Dubh Linn - Dubh Linn (viking rebels)
SPAIN AREA
* Navarre - Pamplona (strong rebels)
* Leon - Santiago de Compostela (Leon also possible settlement for this province, but I chose Santiago de Compostela) (owned by Asturia)
* Portugal - Lissabon (strong rebels)
* Andalusia - Sevilla (owned by Al Andalus)
* Cordoba - Cordoba (owned by Al Andalus)
* Granada - Granada (owned by Al Andalus)
* Valencia - Valencia (strong rebels)
* Castile - Toledo (owned by Al Andalus)
* Catalonia - Barcelona (strong rebels)
* Aragon - Zaragosa (strong rebels)
ITALY AREA
Perhaps more cities/provinces?
* Liguria - Genoa (owned by Lotharingia)
* Austria - Venetia (Venice) (owned by Lotharingia)
* Langobardia - Mediolanum (Milan) (owned by Lotharingia)
* Tuscia - Pisa (owned by Lotharingia)
* Rome - Rome (owned by Pope)
* Papal states - Ravenna (owned by Pope)
* Beneventum - Naples (owned by Byzantine empire)
* Sicily - Palermo (strong muslim rebels)
RUSSIA AND STEPPES AREA
* Pripet - Chernigov (village) (rebels)
* Novgorod - Novgorod (town or large town) (owned by Rus)
* Smolensk - Smolensk (village or town) (rebels)
* Kiev - Kiev (town or large town, so it can grow to become important quickly enough) (rebels, maybe owned by Khazars but with low public order and very small garrison)
* The Crimea - Cherson (town) (owned by Khazars or Byzantines)
* Taiga (the northeasternmost province) - Rostov (village) (rebels)
* Volga-Bulgaria (very far to the east) - Bolgar (at volga-kama bifurcation) (town) (very strong rebels with bulgar units)
* Ryazan - Ryazan (south of Rostov, south of part of Volga, close to tip of Don) (village or town) (rebels)
* Khazar - Sarkel (just southeast of Donets/Don bifurcation) (town or large town) (owned by Khazar)
* Azov sea - Timutarkan (north of the little river) (town) (owned by Khazar)
* Volga - Atil (at Volga delta) (town or large town) (owned by Khazar)
NORTH AFRICA AREA
* Morocco - Tanger (town) (strong rebels)
* Tunisia - Tunis (large town) (very strong rebels)
* Fezzan (Sahara) - Ghadamis or Djavan (strong rebels)
* Tripolitania - Tripoli (very strong rebels)
* Cyrenaica - Barka (very strong rebels)
* Libya - Alexandria (large city) (owned by Abbassids)
* Egypt (also covering the Sinai) - Cairo / Fostat or Mephis? (city) (owned by Abbassids)
* Nubia - Assuan (town) - although the map won't reach down to Nubia it'd probably be best to have a nubia province. This is the only recruitment zone for abyssinian guard and other nubian troops. (owned by Abbassids, or strong rebels)
GERMANY AND EASTERN EUROPE AREA
* Alamannia (Swabia, just north/northeast of Upper Burgundy or Switzerland) - Strassburg
* Francia Orientalis/Francia (Franconia, north of Swabia) - Magontia?/Mains
* Thuringia (north of Franconia) - Erfurt
* Vendland (north of Thuringia) - Brema (Bremen) or Hammaburg (Hamburg)
* Saxonia - Jumme / Jomsborg
* Bavaria (just east of Swabia, stretching much further south than modern Bavaria - covering modern Austria etc.) - Regensburg
* Carinthia (maybe not to be included in the final province list) - Salzburg
* Bohemia - Praga
* Moravia (southern border is Danube, Bohemia lies to the southwest of Moravia) - Olmuetz / Olmütz
* Pannonia (south of Moravia, bordering Croatia to the south) (perhaps owned by avar rebels if any were still left there around 843 AD? Pannonia is almost same as modern Hungary) - Buda
* Carpathia - Pest
* Wallachia - Tergovist
* Bulgaria - Plovdiv (just north of the little river)
* Poland - Krakow
* Moldavia - Pereyaslavets
* Croatia - Klis (north of Spalato, Zara possible alternative but then province should probably be Byzantine from start)
* Sorabia (Serbia) - Doclea (somewhere in modern Montenegro)
* Albania - Dyrrhachium
* Macedonia - Thessalonika
* Athens - Athens
* Pelopponesse (Byzantine-held) - Mistra
BRITAIN AREA
Scotland
* Strathclyde - Dumbarton (owned by Scots or Welsh rebels)
* Fortriu - Dunkeld (owned by Scots)
* Dal riada - Dunadd or Iona (Scottish Capital) (Scottish)
* Hebrides/Orkney (includes Sutherland and Caithness) - Kirkwall (Norse Rebel or Norway)
* Lothian - Edinburgh (Saxon Rebel)
Wales
* Gywnedd - Bangor (Welsh)
* Deheubarth - Dinefwr (north of Swansea, Welsh capital)
* Dyfed - St David's - Welsh
* West Wealas / Cerniu / Cornwall (welsh-held, southwest England) - Isca (modern Exeter)
Saxons and rebels
* West seaxe (Wessex) - Winchester (Saxon capital)
* East seaxe (Essex) - London (move port east, Saxon)
* Kent - Canterbury (if it will fit) - Saxon
* Mierce (Mercia) - Chester (Saxon rebel)
* East Anglia - Norwich (Danish)
* Northumberland (Northumbria) - York (Saxon Rebel)
FRANCE AREA
* Aquitania - Mediolanum
* Vasconia (Gascogne, south of Aquitaine) - Burdigula (Bordeaux)
* Britannia (Britanny) - Nantes (or maybe Rennes)
* Provincia / Lower Burgundy (Provence - beginning just east of Rhodanus/Rhône) - Massilia (same as Marseilles) (or perhaps Nicia)
* Tolosa / Septimania (Toulouse, also part of Aquitainia [as rebels] starting provinces) - Tolosa
* Normandy (norman) - Rouen (at Seine) or Bayeux (just east of Cotentin peninsula)
* Neustria - Paris
* Flandria - Utrecht or Gent
* Burgundia - Geneva
* Upper Burgundy / Switzerland - Vesontio
* Friesia (rebels) - Dorestad
* Austrasia (Aachen, west of Rhine) - Aquisgranum
* Francia Media/Lorraine?/Champagne? - Verdunum (Verdun)
ASIA MINOR AREA
* Constantinople - Constantinople (large city)
* Paphlagonia - Sinope
* Trebizond - Trebizond
* Opsikion - Nikaia / Nicaea
* Thrakesion - Pergamum
* Anatolikon - Iconium
* Cappadocia - Ankara / Ancyra / Angora
* Lesser Armenia - Tarsus
* Edessa - Edessa
* Armenia - Tiflis?
MIDDLE EAST AREA
* Antiokeia - Antiokeia
* Tripolis - Tripolis
* Palestine - Jerusalem
* Syria - Damascus
* Arabia - Medina
* Baghdad - Baghdad
* Mosul - Mosul
* Basra - Basra
MEDITERRANEAN ISLANDS
(for Sicily, see the Italy paragraph)
* Baliares - Palma
* Corsica - Bastia (at northern tip)
* Sardinia - Caralis/Cagliari
* Cyprus - Nicosia
* Crete - Candia / Kandia
* Rhodes - Rhodos
FINLAND AND BALTIC AREA
THANKS TO wilpuri and others from the FURY OF THE NORSEMEN mod for providing me with most of the info for Finland and Baltic area provinces listed below:
Finland:
* Haeme (Häme, middle west coast of Finland) - Kokemäki (slightly south of modern Vaasa) (village or town)
* Vakka-Suomi (southwest coast of Finland) - Turku (same place as modern Turku) (town)
* Karjala (means Karelia I presume, north of Lake Ladoga, stretching far up north) - Kaekisalmi (Käkisalmi, at northwestern tip of Lake Ladoga) (village or town)
* Kainuunmaa (north west coast) - Kainuu (perhaps not correct city?, far north) (village)
* Inkerinmaa/Ingria - Laatoknakaupunki (very close to Novgorod but situated at the southern shore of Lake Ladoga) (village or town)
Further south:
* Lithuania - Daugava (further south than modern Lithuania, bigger than modern Lithuania - although the period when Lithuania was really big didn't come until around 1200 AD so it'll not be exaggerated in size)
* Prussia - Truso (just east of Gdansk)
* Livonia - ? (north of Lithuania)
* Saaremaa (the island at opening of Gulf of Riga) - Kuressaare (city lies on side of island facing Gulf of Riga)
* Revala (northern Estonia) - Rafala (same place as Tallinn)
* Courland/Curland (southwest half of Lativa) - Seeburg (southeast modern Lativa area)
SWEDEN AREA
* Ostgothia - Vadstena (town name needed)
* Waestrogothia - Skara (large town)
* Gotland - Visby (village or town)
* Smaland (rebels) - ?
* Samiland (rebels) - Sápmi
* Halland - Loedoese (town)
* Skani (will be owned by Danes from start) - Uppaakra or Lund
PROVINCES FOR THE AREAS LISTED BELOW ARE NOT COMPLETE
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* Svealand or Tiundaland - Birka (this city will be really cool - on a small island in the middle of the lake Mealaren) (town)
* Upland - Upsala (town)
Birka and Upsala should be kept as cities. Only alternative is to either change names of existing provinces or change names and ADD provinces to this list. However it's hard to add more than one or two provinces in the area.
These are the provinces that'll be included on the map. This is still being discussed and will be updated as changes are made.
Decisions about names: Probably use local names when possible, although for provinces which changed hands a lot it's not clear which name to use with that system. In cases where it's unclear or names aren't available, we stick to English name. For local names, characters like ´ etc. are removed. Å becomes AA or AO, Ä becomes AE or A, Ö becomes OE or O, Ü becomes U or UE.
NORWAY AREA
* Hordaland - Bergen (town) (rebels)
* Hafrsfjord (rebels) - Nord-Jaeren / Stafangr (town) (strong rebels)
* Vaestfold - Kaupang (position close to Oslo but further down the fiord) (large town) (owned by Norway)
* Trondelag - Trondheim (town) (rebels)
* Hologaland (modern Lofoten area and mainland next to it) - Narvik (better city needed) (village) (rebels)
* (PERHAPS REMOVE THIS ONE:) Northern Norway - Tromso (village) (rebels)
* Finnmark (rebels) - Kirkenes (situated next to Barents Sea and modern Russian border) (village) (rebels)
DENMARK AREA
* Sjaelland (Zealland) - Roskilde (town) (owned by Danes)
* Holsetaland (modern Nordfriesland, in modern Schleswig-Holstein area) - Haithabu / Hedeby (was the largest nordic city of the viking age, will have much importance and fairly large population, large town or city) (owned by Danes)
* North Jutland (better province name needed) - Aalborg or Viborg (settlement will have good fortifications, was historically part of Danish fortification systems in the area, town) (owned by Danes)
* Middle Jutland - Jelling (town) (owned by Danes)
ICELAND AREA
* Iceland - Reyjkjavik (village/town) (rebels)
IRELAND AREA
* Midhe (Meath) - Teamhaidh (Tara) (rebels)
* Ulaid (Ulster) - Armagh (strong viking rebels)
* Laigin (Leinster) - Ferns (strong viking rebels)
* Muma (Munster) - Cashel (rebels)
* Connaught (Connacht) - Tuam (owned by Irish)
* Dubh Linn - Dubh Linn (viking rebels)
SPAIN AREA
* Navarre - Pamplona (strong rebels)
* Leon - Santiago de Compostela (Leon also possible settlement for this province, but I chose Santiago de Compostela) (owned by Asturia)
* Portugal - Lissabon (strong rebels)
* Andalusia - Sevilla (owned by Al Andalus)
* Cordoba - Cordoba (owned by Al Andalus)
* Granada - Granada (owned by Al Andalus)
* Valencia - Valencia (strong rebels)
* Castile - Toledo (owned by Al Andalus)
* Catalonia - Barcelona (strong rebels)
* Aragon - Zaragosa (strong rebels)
ITALY AREA
Perhaps more cities/provinces?
* Liguria - Genoa (owned by Lotharingia)
* Austria - Venetia (Venice) (owned by Lotharingia)
* Langobardia - Mediolanum (Milan) (owned by Lotharingia)
* Tuscia - Pisa (owned by Lotharingia)
* Rome - Rome (owned by Pope)
* Papal states - Ravenna (owned by Pope)
* Beneventum - Naples (owned by Byzantine empire)
* Sicily - Palermo (strong muslim rebels)
RUSSIA AND STEPPES AREA
* Pripet - Chernigov (village) (rebels)
* Novgorod - Novgorod (town or large town) (owned by Rus)
* Smolensk - Smolensk (village or town) (rebels)
* Kiev - Kiev (town or large town, so it can grow to become important quickly enough) (rebels, maybe owned by Khazars but with low public order and very small garrison)
* The Crimea - Cherson (town) (owned by Khazars or Byzantines)
* Taiga (the northeasternmost province) - Rostov (village) (rebels)
* Volga-Bulgaria (very far to the east) - Bolgar (at volga-kama bifurcation) (town) (very strong rebels with bulgar units)
* Ryazan - Ryazan (south of Rostov, south of part of Volga, close to tip of Don) (village or town) (rebels)
* Khazar - Sarkel (just southeast of Donets/Don bifurcation) (town or large town) (owned by Khazar)
* Azov sea - Timutarkan (north of the little river) (town) (owned by Khazar)
* Volga - Atil (at Volga delta) (town or large town) (owned by Khazar)
NORTH AFRICA AREA
* Morocco - Tanger (town) (strong rebels)
* Tunisia - Tunis (large town) (very strong rebels)
* Fezzan (Sahara) - Ghadamis or Djavan (strong rebels)
* Tripolitania - Tripoli (very strong rebels)
* Cyrenaica - Barka (very strong rebels)
* Libya - Alexandria (large city) (owned by Abbassids)
* Egypt (also covering the Sinai) - Cairo / Fostat or Mephis? (city) (owned by Abbassids)
* Nubia - Assuan (town) - although the map won't reach down to Nubia it'd probably be best to have a nubia province. This is the only recruitment zone for abyssinian guard and other nubian troops. (owned by Abbassids, or strong rebels)
GERMANY AND EASTERN EUROPE AREA
* Alamannia (Swabia, just north/northeast of Upper Burgundy or Switzerland) - Strassburg
* Francia Orientalis/Francia (Franconia, north of Swabia) - Magontia?/Mains
* Thuringia (north of Franconia) - Erfurt
* Vendland (north of Thuringia) - Brema (Bremen) or Hammaburg (Hamburg)
* Saxonia - Jumme / Jomsborg
* Bavaria (just east of Swabia, stretching much further south than modern Bavaria - covering modern Austria etc.) - Regensburg
* Carinthia (maybe not to be included in the final province list) - Salzburg
* Bohemia - Praga
* Moravia (southern border is Danube, Bohemia lies to the southwest of Moravia) - Olmuetz / Olmütz
* Pannonia (south of Moravia, bordering Croatia to the south) (perhaps owned by avar rebels if any were still left there around 843 AD? Pannonia is almost same as modern Hungary) - Buda
* Carpathia - Pest
* Wallachia - Tergovist
* Bulgaria - Plovdiv (just north of the little river)
* Poland - Krakow
* Moldavia - Pereyaslavets
* Croatia - Klis (north of Spalato, Zara possible alternative but then province should probably be Byzantine from start)
* Sorabia (Serbia) - Doclea (somewhere in modern Montenegro)
* Albania - Dyrrhachium
* Macedonia - Thessalonika
* Athens - Athens
* Pelopponesse (Byzantine-held) - Mistra
BRITAIN AREA
Scotland
* Strathclyde - Dumbarton (owned by Scots or Welsh rebels)
* Fortriu - Dunkeld (owned by Scots)
* Dal riada - Dunadd or Iona (Scottish Capital) (Scottish)
* Hebrides/Orkney (includes Sutherland and Caithness) - Kirkwall (Norse Rebel or Norway)
* Lothian - Edinburgh (Saxon Rebel)
Wales
* Gywnedd - Bangor (Welsh)
* Deheubarth - Dinefwr (north of Swansea, Welsh capital)
* Dyfed - St David's - Welsh
* West Wealas / Cerniu / Cornwall (welsh-held, southwest England) - Isca (modern Exeter)
Saxons and rebels
* West seaxe (Wessex) - Winchester (Saxon capital)
* East seaxe (Essex) - London (move port east, Saxon)
* Kent - Canterbury (if it will fit) - Saxon
* Mierce (Mercia) - Chester (Saxon rebel)
* East Anglia - Norwich (Danish)
* Northumberland (Northumbria) - York (Saxon Rebel)
FRANCE AREA
* Aquitania - Mediolanum
* Vasconia (Gascogne, south of Aquitaine) - Burdigula (Bordeaux)
* Britannia (Britanny) - Nantes (or maybe Rennes)
* Provincia / Lower Burgundy (Provence - beginning just east of Rhodanus/Rhône) - Massilia (same as Marseilles) (or perhaps Nicia)
* Tolosa / Septimania (Toulouse, also part of Aquitainia [as rebels] starting provinces) - Tolosa
* Normandy (norman) - Rouen (at Seine) or Bayeux (just east of Cotentin peninsula)
* Neustria - Paris
* Flandria - Utrecht or Gent
* Burgundia - Geneva
* Upper Burgundy / Switzerland - Vesontio
* Friesia (rebels) - Dorestad
* Austrasia (Aachen, west of Rhine) - Aquisgranum
* Francia Media/Lorraine?/Champagne? - Verdunum (Verdun)
ASIA MINOR AREA
* Constantinople - Constantinople (large city)
* Paphlagonia - Sinope
* Trebizond - Trebizond
* Opsikion - Nikaia / Nicaea
* Thrakesion - Pergamum
* Anatolikon - Iconium
* Cappadocia - Ankara / Ancyra / Angora
* Lesser Armenia - Tarsus
* Edessa - Edessa
* Armenia - Tiflis?
MIDDLE EAST AREA
* Antiokeia - Antiokeia
* Tripolis - Tripolis
* Palestine - Jerusalem
* Syria - Damascus
* Arabia - Medina
* Baghdad - Baghdad
* Mosul - Mosul
* Basra - Basra
MEDITERRANEAN ISLANDS
(for Sicily, see the Italy paragraph)
* Baliares - Palma
* Corsica - Bastia (at northern tip)
* Sardinia - Caralis/Cagliari
* Cyprus - Nicosia
* Crete - Candia / Kandia
* Rhodes - Rhodos
FINLAND AND BALTIC AREA
THANKS TO wilpuri and others from the FURY OF THE NORSEMEN mod for providing me with most of the info for Finland and Baltic area provinces listed below:
Finland:
* Haeme (Häme, middle west coast of Finland) - Kokemäki (slightly south of modern Vaasa) (village or town)
* Vakka-Suomi (southwest coast of Finland) - Turku (same place as modern Turku) (town)
* Karjala (means Karelia I presume, north of Lake Ladoga, stretching far up north) - Kaekisalmi (Käkisalmi, at northwestern tip of Lake Ladoga) (village or town)
* Kainuunmaa (north west coast) - Kainuu (perhaps not correct city?, far north) (village)
* Inkerinmaa/Ingria - Laatoknakaupunki (very close to Novgorod but situated at the southern shore of Lake Ladoga) (village or town)
Further south:
* Lithuania - Daugava (further south than modern Lithuania, bigger than modern Lithuania - although the period when Lithuania was really big didn't come until around 1200 AD so it'll not be exaggerated in size)
* Prussia - Truso (just east of Gdansk)
* Livonia - ? (north of Lithuania)
* Saaremaa (the island at opening of Gulf of Riga) - Kuressaare (city lies on side of island facing Gulf of Riga)
* Revala (northern Estonia) - Rafala (same place as Tallinn)
* Courland/Curland (southwest half of Lativa) - Seeburg (southeast modern Lativa area)
SWEDEN AREA
* Ostgothia - Vadstena (town name needed)
* Waestrogothia - Skara (large town)
* Gotland - Visby (village or town)
* Smaland (rebels) - ?
* Samiland (rebels) - Sápmi
* Halland - Loedoese (town)
* Skani (will be owned by Danes from start) - Uppaakra or Lund
PROVINCES FOR THE AREAS LISTED BELOW ARE NOT COMPLETE
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* Svealand or Tiundaland - Birka (this city will be really cool - on a small island in the middle of the lake Mealaren) (town)
* Upland - Upsala (town)
Birka and Upsala should be kept as cities. Only alternative is to either change names of existing provinces or change names and ADD provinces to this list. However it's hard to add more than one or two provinces in the area.