Campaign map

[Rodion Romanovich]

We're currently cooperating with Byzantium Total war with exchange of units. We're supposed to recieve some of their byzantine units, and they recieve magyars and khazars in exchange. But they won't provide us with all the byzantine units, and we'll probably need slight reskinning of their units to make them have the same atmosphere and feel as the others, so we could still have good use for help with the byzzies if you can skin. Concept art for the units could also be useful. The units we won't recieve from BTW are those listed in our tech trees thread that aren't listed in the cooperation thread, which I for some reason can't find at the moment, so I can't make a list... As for provinces we're nearly ready with province planning in all places except Scandinavia at the moment.

[kataphraktoi]

Hmmm, just looking at ur tech tree for BYZANTIUM. Is it finalised or confirmed? Is there a chance of revising the tech tree so as to accurately train troops in a way that matched the Thematic and Tagmatic system?

For example:
IMPERIAL ARSENAL: A pre-requisite building that allows for the equipping of elite units like the Varangian and Klibanophori plus Tagmatic Kataphraktoi troops. In addition, it could also equip other foreign elite units that served in Byzantium like the Pharganoi and Manglavites.

THE SCHOOLS:
Another pre-requisite building required to train elite Tagmatic troops from the famous four schools - Excubitores, Scholae, Vigla, etc, etc.

MUSTER ROLL: ALl Thematic soldiers were registered landholders in the provinces capital, it could be a building that is required to train thematic soldiers. From there a BARRACK or CAVALRY STABLE could be built to train thematic cavalry and infantry troops.

just my two Bezants..

[Rodion Romanovich]

There is a chance, yes. But for the actual buildings we'll probably use our own system anyway. You could however be helpful by listing possible new units and state whether they're themata or tagmata, and list which units you think should be removed. But try to keep the number of units down if possible, and leave out those who didn't have a major importance in the period.

[.Seal]

Seems nice ~:)

[kataphraktoi]

From your brief on the mod (Introduction), it goes from 843 to 1099. This means it covers approximately two periods in Byzantine military developments. But I’ll simplify it without compromising accuracy and realism into a singular list. Advanced units take a while to train so there is no need to sharply list two different military unit lists due to the development that occur as Byzantium builds its structures on the tech tree.

Elite troops:
Tagmatic Cavalry Units:
The Tagmatic troops were centred in Constantinople (and later in the provinces). The Tagmata were the nucleus of the Byzantine army and its full time professional soldiers. The Tagmata had at its core, the four Tagmata schools which were essentially cavalry units with possible exception of the Numeri
Excubitores – Senior school of elite cavalry
Scholae – Another senior school of elite cavalry
Ikanatoi – Youngest tagmatic school of elite cavalry set up by Nikephoros I
Numeri/Arithmos/Vigla – Tagmata with duties that range in looking after the capital’s walls to guarding the Emperor at night when on campaign

Other Tagmatic Units:
Immortals - Earnt its name under the Golden Warrior - John Tzimiskes – as an elite cavalry unit personally trained and raised by the Emperor in the last quarter of the 10th century. Following the fashion of their sovereign, their appearance would be quite lavish. And yet, they could fight as any elite unit would.

Klibanophori – Though attributed to Nikephoros Phokas, there is reason to believe they appeared in the 930s under Gourgen Kourkuas (John Curcuas). The expense of such a unit meant that they were a Tagmatic unit raised and equipped by the government.

Thematic troops:
Thematic Kataphraktoi – First class Thematic cavalry were called Kataphraktoi in Byzantine sources. Thematic Kataphraktoi were derived from the province’s local wealthy magnate class (from which the Phokas, Sklerus and Kuorkuas were descended from) and also other wealthy thematic cavalrymen who served as officers and first-pick soldiers. IN addition, they served as the retainers of a Thematic Strategos.

Thematic cavalry – Not as well armoured as the Kataphraktoi but still well armoured enough to serve as heavy cavalry of another kind.

Theme Militia - generally the backbone of any Byzantine army. They are moderately equipped unarmoured infantrymen with the usual sword, spear and shield panoply with a leather or iron helmet with aventail if mail/clothe.

Skutatoi – well armoured pikemen who are the best heavy infantrymen from the Themes.

Menavlatoi – well armoured heavy infantry with heavy darts/javelins to hurl against heavy cavalry

Trapezitoi – light cavalry javelineers

Psiloi – light archers

Akritoi cavalry – hardy tough frontier cavalrymen who make excellent scouts and ambush units

Mercenaries:
Pechenegs
Magyars
Khazars
Alans
Varangian Rus – Unlike the Varangian Guards, the Varangian Rus were not a formalised tagmata, they served as seasonal mercenaries under agreement with the Kievan Rus who sent these elite warriors to Constantinople.
Pharganoi – The Pharganoi are from the Ferghana region in Central Asia sent as slaves or recruited to the capital. They serve as an elite bodyguard unit to the Emperor as cavalry archers.

Varangian Guard – The Varangian Rus were the forebears of the later Varangian Guard when they were formalized as a proper Tagmatic unit

Note: This is a list of military units so far. I will make a more detailed list later. WHen I mean detailed list, I don't mean more units, I mean a detailed description of equipment and appearance and hopefully concept drawings.

[Csatadi]

This is the current campaign map. Please send your comments.
I know the eastern part isnt perfect yet and there are some economical issue we must to solve.
Personally I think there are too much provinces. Whats your opinion?

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/397/mapregions9ah.jpg

[Greek_fire19]

I like it.

I personally don't think there's a problem with the provinces, really. It seems to have a similar sort of province density as mods like EB and they work fine for me.
The only issue with provinces for me is when they are 'clumped' as in RTR, in high-population areas, but that doesn't really seem to be a problem with this map.

EDIT: love the way Iceland's in. Any chance of Greenland? Maybe Even Vinland? Im assuming not, but an eric the red epic voyage as the Vikings would be fun.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Any chance of Greenland? Maybe Even Vinland? Im assuming not, but an eric the red epic voyage as the Vikings would be fun.

Nope, unfortunately not in, and it might also be impossible because it would increase amount of sea much. The RTW engine for some reason protests if sea percentage is too big...

[Herkus]

Well the area of Baltic lands seems pretty raped in your campaign map. So I found this map for 8th - 11th centuries.
Map is in Latvian language but I am sure you will understand the settlement names and tribe names.
[img=http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4844/vikinglaiks9nt.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

You can see major trading settlement names that time in Baltic. They are represented with black dot in the middle.
I will give some basic translation for some region names into English (though i don't know if you will stick with names in orginal languages in your mod)
Druza - Prussia
Jurpils - Curonia
Daugmale - Semigalia

I don't know which provinces you will include in mod, but your Baltic land area in campaign map doesn't make any sense to me.
If you have any questions about Baltics, just ask me.

[Herkus]

wierd that i cant edit my post, cuz that link doesn't work. Ok here is the new one.
[img=http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4844/vikinglaiks9nt.th.jpg] (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vikinglaiks9nt.jpg)

[Csatadi]

Yeah, thanks. Locals have always better maps. ~;)
We want to use native names as far as possible.
What would be the original of Prussia, Curonia, Semigalia?
I assume Prusi etc. are nation or tribe names.

[Herkus]

Yeah, thanks. Locals have always better maps. ~;)
We want to use native names as far as possible.
What would be the original of Prussia, Curonia, Semigalia?
I assume Prusi etc. are nation or tribe names.

At first say how many regions are you planning to include in Baltic land area. Then i will give you Regions of strongest tribes which would fit the best in that timeframe's map.

[Csatadi]

AOVAF planned provinces and settlements

http://birbin.tar.hu/vikings/aovafmap.JPG

Province - Settlement name

1 Aquitania - Augustoritum
2 Vasconia - Burdigala (Vascones)
3 Bertaèyn - Naoned (Bretons)
4 Neustria - Aureliani
5 Septimania - Narbona
6 Provincia - Massilia
7 Burgundia - Vesontio (Burgundians)
8 Francia - Lutetia
9 Flandria - Bryggia
10 Normandy - Rotomagus
11 Pagus Constantiensis - Baiocensis
12 Hispaniorum Marca - Barcino
13 Navarra - Pompaelo (Navarrese)
14 Castella - Burgorum
15 Legio - Ovietum
16 Gallecia - Campus Stellae
17 Tolosa - Tolosa
18 Batalyaws - Batalyaws
19 Tolahitolah - Tolahitolah
20 Sarakusta - Sarakusta
21 Balinsiyah - Balinsiyah
22 Mursiya - Mursiya
23 Gharnatah - Gharnatah
24 Qurtubah - Qurtubah
25 Ishbiliya - Ishbiliya
26 Novgorod - Novgorod (Vespes) must be some land for finno-ugrian tribes
27 Polotsk - Polotsk
28 Smolensk - Smolensk (Krivichs)
29 Kortdjak - Djir
30 Kiev - Kiev
31 Pereiaslav - Pereiaslav Khmelnytskyi
32 Mourom Ryazan - Ryazan (Mouroms)
33 Volhynia - Berestye (Dulebes)
34 Ruthenia Rubra - Halych
35 Livonia - Rafala (Livonians)
36 Thema Kalabrias – Messana
37 Lietuva - Daugmale (Lithuanians)
38 Prusa - Truso (Prussians)
39 Bomeranorum - Kołobrzeg (Pomeranians)
40 Beneventum - Beneventum
41 Chrobatia - Cracovia (White Croats ? Belochrobati ?)
42 Polania - Gniezno (Polans)
43 Frisia - Traiectum (Frisians)
44 Ripuaria - Aquisgranum
45 Mosella - Verodunum
46 Liguria - Genua
47 Tuscia - Pisa
48 Patrimonium Petrii - Roma (Romans)
49 Spoletum - Spoletum
50 Venetum - Venetia
51 Friulia - Aquileia
52 Hravatska - Zupanjac (Croats)
53 Travunja - Ragusa (Serbs)
54 Langobardia - Mediolanum (Lombards)
55 Alemannia - Constantia
56 Austrasia - Magantia
57 Saxonia - Brema (Saxons)
58 Transalbingia - Hamma Burg
59 Billung Marca - Lüneburg
60 Meissen – Albrechtsburg
61 Sicilia - Panormus
62 Bohemia - Praha
63 Bavaria - Salzburg
64 Morava - Morava (Moravians)
65 Silesia - Wratislavia (Slenzanies)
66 Carinthia - Meissen
67 Mide - An Dubh Linn
68 Taman - Tmutarakan
69 Levédia - Fekete Mogyeriek
70 Etelküzü - Fehér Mogyeriek
71 Pannonia - Blatnohrad (Karantanians)
72 Avar Plains - Avar Hring (Avars)
73 Laighin - Loch Garman
74 Transylvania - Belgrad
75 Raška – Beligrad
76 Ulaidh - Ard Mhacha
77 Thema Dyrrhákhion - Dyrrhákhion
78 Thema Strymonos - Nikópolis
79 Thema Peloponneson - Kόrinthos
80 Thema Helladikon Athênai
81 Dardania - Okhrida
82 Thema Makedonikon - Adrianoúpolis
83 Thema Thrakes - Kōnstantinoúpolis
84 Moisía – Nissa
85 Thema Longibardias - Barion
86 Thema Haemimont - Pliska
87 Dacia - Theodorapolis
88 Bosphorus - Karchaa (Crimean Goths)
89 Holsetaland - Haithabu
90 Snaeland - Reykjavik
91 Kernow - Isca Dumnoniorum (Should be Tintagel) (West Welsh ? Cornish ?)
92 West Seaxe - Winceastre
93 Eást-Seaxe - Lundenwic
94 Eást-Engle - Thetford (East Anglians)
95 Mierce - Snottingaham
96 Dyfed - Mynyw
97 Gwynedd - Deganwy (Should be Aberffraw)
98 Norþhymbre - Eoforwic
99 Srath Chluaidh - Dùn Breatainn
100 Lodainn - Dùn Èideann
101 Fortriu - Dùn Chailleann (Picts)
102 Dál Riata - Dunadd
103 Corsica - Bastia
104 Connachta - Tuaim
105 An Mhumhain - An Caisleán
106 Sardinia - Cagliari
107 Thema ta Klimata – Khersónēsos
108 Jutland (Iütland ?) - Viborg
109 Sjælland - Roskilde
110 Skåneland - Uppåkra
111 Thema Anatolikon - Ikónion
112 Svealand - Bierkø
113 Vestfold - Skiringssal
114 Agder - Flekkefjord
115 Rogaland - Stavanger
116 Hordaland - Bjorgvin
117 Sogn-More - Gulen
118 Trondheimen - Nidaros
119 Thema Armeniakon - Sinopē
120 Martyuba - Uchel
121 Mardan-Bellak - Bandja
122 Volga-Kama Bolğar - Bolğar (Volga-Bulgars)
123 Tamta - Ufa
124 Tubdjak - Kargaly
125 Chorasmia - Urgench (Khwalis)
126 Saksin - Atil
127 Saklan - Sarkel
128 Aran - Darband
129 Georgia - Tpili
130 Thema Khaldias - Trapesdoúnta
131 Thema Bukellarion - Herakleia
132 Thema Optimaton - Níkomedia
133 Thema Opsikion - Níkaia
134 Thema Kibyrraioton - Seleukeia
135 Thema Kappadokía - Aurea
136 Thema Koloneias - Sebasteia
137 Avasim - Halab
138 al-Jazira - Harran
139 Armenia - Ani
140 al-Mawsil - al-Mawsil
141 Azerbaijan - Tabriz
142 Djebel - Hagmatana
143 Djilan - Alamut
144 Khuzistan - Shushan
145 al-Iraqiyah - Baghdad
146 al-Bahrain - Hajar (Baharnah)
147 Arabia - al-Djawn
148 Ascham - Dimashq
149 Judea - al-Quds-as-Sarif
150 al-Hijāz - Tabuk
151 Mīsr - al-Iskandariyyah
152 Barka – Barka
153 Gotland - Paviken
154 Tarābulus - Tarābulus
155 Ifriqiyah al-Qayrawan (Aghlabids)
156 al-Maġrib al-Arabī - Fās (Idrisids)
157 Cyprus not a valid province yet
158 Crete not a valid province yet

May contain mistakes of course. Post your comments here.

Need research with the provinces (create a Map Resources thread if you have some info for us):
Province names
Settlement names
Rebels' name
Religion Percentage Christian-Muslim-Pagan
Resources
Starting Buildings
Special Buildings
Mercenaries available
Any important thing e.g. historical personages even if rebels, local units etc.

[Csatadi]

At first say how many regions are you planning to include in Baltic land area. Then i will give you Regions of strongest tribes which would fit the best in that timeframe's map.
Two provinces are planned 38 and 37.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Two provinces are planned 38 and 37.

I think we should have more provinces in the Baltic area, plus the current map was a conversion of another map which means I just filled in with the same color out to the coast without really bothering about making the province borders correct (because at the time the main concern was to get the map running). I think maybe 5 provinces would be good for covering Finland and the baltic area we haven't yet covered, not including Prussia, which I think is almost correctly placed at the moment. For these 5, Livonia, Revala and Lithuania seem necessary, but I don't know enough about the others. hink Suggestions from an expert would be good...

[Herkus]

Two provinces are planned 38 and 37.

OK i will give you the names in orginal languages for these regions
Prussia ->Prusa settlement (Truso)
Lithuania ->Lietuva settlement (Kernave) though the province drawing for Lithuanian is wrong in your map. It didnt expand so far in Russian land east, but rather it streched more to the south.

I would advice you to add one more province in Baltics ->
Curonia ->Kursa settlement (Jurpils)
Curonia covered all western part of modern Latvia and Lithuania. This was also the tribe which could be described as local Baltic vikings cuz they also used to raid neighbouring Baltic sea lands.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9312/balti130qt.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=balti130qt.jpg)
This map is for 12th century but can be also used for previous . The map's language is Lithuanian. In this map Curonia is showed in violet color in western part. In 11th century it had more lands to the south. If you add Curonia, than Lithuania should not have sea border and Curonia should border with Prussia. Though if you add Lithuania as large central Baltic land, then i guess you can make a sea border only in the south part of Riga's gulf.

[Csatadi]

Thanks. Edited. However my research showed Kernavė is first mentioned only in the 13th century so I choosed Daugmale from your map. I dont see the map from your latest post.
Borders will change later Im sure Legio will use your map to this process.
3rd province? Maybe. Depends on the size of Lietuva.

We would be happy about some details to the regions you know well. ~:rolleyes:

[Germanicus91]

Map looks great :-) I think you should use period city and province names though, where possible. Winchester should be Winceastre. Eboracum (Roman name) should be Jorvik. Mercia would be Mierce or Myrce. East Anglia would be Eást-Engle, Essex would be Eást-Seaxe. Northhumbria would be Norþ-hymbre. I have books on English, Scandinavian, German and Dutch place names, so I can help with these.

[Csatadi]

Thanks Germanicus!
I will edit the names you sent and Im waiting for the more appropriate other ones.

[Germanicus91]

I'll look into the others, might take me a few days. Some care has to be taken with the English place-names, since with the Domesday Book in 1086 some may have a different spelling to how the Saxons or Norsemen spelt them. Whether you can make a script for that (or whether it is even worth it for 13 years I don't know). But for historical accuracy it is the correct thing to do. Cheers!

[Csatadi]

Some care has to be taken with the English place-names, since with the Domesday Book in 1086 some may have a different spelling to how the Saxons or Norsemen spelt them. Whether you can make a script for that (or whether it is even worth it for 13 years I don't know). But for historical accuracy it is the correct thing to do. Cheers!
Only one place name is allowed. You can manually change some settlement names in BI if you want.
We need only Saxon names.

[Germanicus91]

I'm working on the names now. It's gonna take a few days yet, some require quite a bit of research.

[Germanicus91]

I'm working on the names now. It's gonna take a few days yet, some require quite a bit of research.

Update:

I need to know the modern province names and modern city/settlement names for the following before I can continue:

43 Frisia - Traiectum (Frisians)
54 Langobardia - Mediolanum (Lombards)
55 Alemannia - Constantia
56 Austrasia - Magantia
60 Meissen – Albrechtsburg
59 Billung Marca

Some of the Scandinavian province names you propose are causing problems because they are not historical names or regions. In some cases I am having to propose postulated names. I'll come back to you on these.

The Swedish names are a little less well researched than the others as I can't find my copy of Ortnamn i Sverige and I'm having to use other sources, including Google.

Cheers, Germanicus91

[palissa]

Mediolanum in italy is Milano, Milan in english. That name if want research.
Bye

[Germanicus91]

Mediolanum in italy is Milano, Milan in english. That name if want research.
Bye

Thanks. I don't need to do Mediolanum then, even if the Lombards are a Germanic faction.

[Germanicus91]

Hi folks, here's what I've found out:

43 Frisia (seems to be OK) - Traiectum = Utrecht (870: Uttrecht).
55 Alamannia (OK) - Konstanz (980: Constantiae).
56 Austrasia (too early for our time period - needs to be re-thought) - Magantia (Mainz). 800s/900s: Máginza.
57 Saxonia (seems to be OK) - Bremon (858), Bremun (937).
58 Transalbingia (seems to be no native equivalent) - Hamaburg (800s).
59 Billung Marca (formed in 936 - can't verify your name) - Luniburc (956), Luneburg (965).
60 Meissen (is a town in Sachsen) – Albrechtsburg is a castle in the centre of Meissen! These need to be re-thought.
63 Bavaria (can't find a reliable native early form) - Salzburg (798: Salzburc).
89 Sliaswich (850, name used by Franks/Saxons; older Middle Danish Slæswich) - Haithabu (name used by Scandinavians). Before 1200, when the term Sønderjylland came into use, the region seems to have simply been called Slesvig. Another possibility, but more doubtful historically: *Syndær-Iütland.
92 West Seaxe (871, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) - Wincæstre (993, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle).
93 Eást-Seaxe (893, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) - Lundenne (897, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) (Lundene, 959, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) (also: Lundenburg, 851, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle).
94 Eást-Engle (e.g. 880, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) - Þéodford (870, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle).
95 Mierce (853, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) - Snotengaham (868, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle).
98 Norþhymbre (867, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) - Eferwic (1070, Anglo-Saxon Chronicle) (also: Eoforwicceastre, 867/869 Anglo-Saxon Chronicle).
108 Iütland (seems plausible) - Wiberg (1075).
109 Sjælland (does not appear in Danish until 1231 Sialand; reasonable supposed older form: *Sialund) - 1018-1035 Roscel; Roschald (1075).
110 Skåneland (modern term but I cannot come up with anything better - problematic as your region seems to cover parts of Götaland as well) - Uppåkra (Old Danish *Upp-akær; there's an Opager in Lolland, DK (1329: Upakeer) the Danes call the Uppåkra in Skåne Opager. Skåne was in Danish hands during our time period. Therefore recommend *Uppakær).
112 *Swear-rike (constructed form; seems to be preferable over Svealand which did not appear until later and denoted the same area in central Sweden) - Bierkø (seems to be OK).
113 Vestfold (also the Old Norse name) - Skíringssalr (Old Norse).
114 (Old Norse) Agðir or Egðafylki - unattested but apparently Old Norse *Flikkarfjörðr.
115 (Old Norse) Rogaland or Rygjafylki - Stafangr (Old Norse).
116 Hörðaland or Hörðafylki - Bjorgvin (Old west Norwegian) or Bergvin (Old east Norwegian).
117 Sygnafylki-*Mærr - Guli (Old Norse).
118 Þróndheimr (Old Norse) - Niðaróss (Old Norse).
153 Gotland - Paviken (name v. problematic "Namnet Paviken är av sent datum samt av okänt ursprung. I ett tidigare skede gick platsen under namnet Västergarnsviken.").

I can cite the list of academic books I used. I also used Wiki and Google.

Cheers!

[Germanicus91]

PS: c.1220: Gutland (Gotland). This is the first recorded mention I believe.

[edyzmedieval]

Excellent job Germanicus!!! :book: :2thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

Hello Guys! Im really glad to see this project alive and kicking again!:2thumbsup:
Here are couple suggestions for the area map.I think that Northern Scandinavia and Finland needs some major changes.At the game start Novgorod held no power over Finland.Also in the North the Saami people lived on Northern Sweden and Norway and the Viking states didnt have the area which is in the current area map in the North.Im sorry its just quick photoshop lines.But the borderlines should be pretty Accurate.Becouse i see that you are using native language names for the provinces i suggest to name the Province of the Saami people to Lappi and the area controlled by Finns to Suomi.Here are the corrections:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7278/mapregions9ahcopy2bl.jpg

[Rodion Romanovich]

Thanks that's very good! As you probably could see that part of the map was a temporary solution so we could launch RTW and test the complete parts. Anyway, do you know which cities we could use for Saami and Suomi, and where to put them?

It's possible to have one "terra incognita" province covering all areas that can't be conquered and don't have any city, so if you wan't find any city for Saami, we could make that part of "terra incognita", but it would be good if there could at least be a city for the Suomi province.

[Kagemusha]

Il see what i can find.:shakehands:

[Germanicus91]

Hi folks, here's what I've found out:
89 Sliaswich (850, name used by Franks/Saxons; older Middle Danish Slæswich) - Haithabu (name used by Scandinavians). Before 1200, when the term Sønderjylland came into use, the region seems to have simply been called Slesvig. Another possibility, but more doubtful historically: *Syndær-Iütland.


Recommend therefore region = Slæswich, city = Haithabu.

[Csatadi]

I dont know on the present map were these corrected or not:
http://tar.hu/birbin/vikings/843Carp.jpg

[edyzmedieval]

First of all, there are 2 Belgrads. The one in Romania, to avoid confusion, make it Alba Iulia.

And second, I have to ask Legio about this. I don't know anything about this... :dizzy2: :no:

[Meneldil]

Hey guys, nice to see the mod isn't dead :)

I'm still having internet issues, but here are a few points though :

1 - Using names like
Hörðaland
Upp-akær
Wincæstre
Eást-Engle
and so on will screw up event scripting I think. That's precisely why I got rid of name with weird letters.

2 - Austrasia isn't too early, since Austrasia as a political identity was created by the early Merovingians (it was then a separate frankish kingdom).

3 - Uttrecht was most likely still called Traiectum back then, at least officially.

4 - Billung Marca. This is obviously wrong, and would have to be changed. The march of the billungs was created way after 843 I think. Since I didn't know how to translate March of the Billungs in latin, I simply used Billung Marca as a placeholder :-P

[edyzmedieval]

Meneldil!!!! YAHOOO!!! ~D

Thank God you're back. We really need you....

[Csatadi]

First of all, there are 2 Belgrads. The one in Romania, to avoid confusion, make it Alba Iulia.

And second, I have to ask Legio about this. I don't know anything about this... :dizzy2: :no:
Im sure it cannot be Alba Iulia. The sources say it was Belgrad so it should be Belgrad.
The Serb Belgrad can be Beligrad like on the map.

I'm still having internet issues, but here are a few points though :

1 - Using names like
Hörðaland
Upp-akær
Wincæstre
Eást-Engle
and so on will screw up event scripting I think. That's precisely why I got rid of name with weird letters.


Our decision was using the native forms as long as possible. But I think nobody want to use greek, glagolitic or arabic letters.
ð æ are really not so good because a lot of people dont know how to pronounce them. These letters arent resemble to the classic latin letters.
ö, á, are less critical because ö appears in a lot of languages, German, Swedish, Norwegian, Turkish, Hungarian etc. á can be pronounced like 'a' no matter what would be the correct pronunciation. In Hungarian there are an 'á' but I cannot be sure it is the same like á in Eást-Engle.

[Germanicus91]

Im sure it cannot be Alba Iulia. The sources say it was Belgrad so it should be Belgrad.
The Serb Belgrad can be Beligrad like on the map.



Our decision was using the native forms as long as possible. But I think nobody want to use greek, glagolitic or arabic letters.
ð æ are really not so good because a lot of people dont know how to pronounce them. These letters arent resemble to the classic latin letters.
ö, á, are less critical because ö appears in a lot of languages, German, Swedish, Norwegian, Turkish, Hungarian etc. á can be pronounced like 'a' no matter what would be the correct pronunciation. In Hungarian there are an 'á' but I cannot be sure it is the same like á in Eást-Engle.

ð can be substitued with "th".

á in Old English/Anglo-Saxon merely represents a long vowel, not a special sound.

I think it's important you use the original spellings where possible. It's up to users to learn to pronounce those languages if they want to. I can't pronounce Latin, but it doesn't stop me enjoying and playing RTW ;-)

[Nacheras]

Model:
Number of province at your map
Province name at your map-historic province name
Capital name at your map-hitoric capital name
rebels name
religion
production
owner
teach tree at beginning
mercenary units
special building (or wonder) if there is.
harvest

18
Badajoz - Xenxir
BadajozI - Batalyaws
xenxirs
muslims 78%- christian 20%- pagan 2%
wheat, fruits, tin
Al-Andalus
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks. Land clearance. Road.
Rabita. Rumat Al-Sinniya
Médium fertility

21
Balinsiyah - Al-Xarq
BalinsiyahI - Balansiyah
alxarquians
muslims 93% - christian 6% - pagan 1%
wheat, vegetables, fruit, wood, rice, sugar cane, vineyard, wine, paper, slaves
Al-Andalus
Large town. Governor´s villa. Wooden palisade. Market. Port. Communal farming. paved roads. chapel.
Rabita. Rumat Al-sinniya
Excellent harvest

14
Castile - Castella
Burgos - Burgorum
castilians
christians 85% - pagan 12%- muslims 3%
wheat, wood, goats, sheep, wool, vineyard, wine, iron
Asturias
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks. Land clearance. shrine
Pastores. Vilanii equites. Vascones tribus
Low fertility

16
Gallicia - Gallecia
SantiagoDeCompostela - Campus Stellae
galecians
christians 70% - pagan 30%
wheat, corn, goats, cows.
Asturias
Large town. Governor´s villa. Wooden palisade. Market. Port. Communal farming. roads. chapel.
Special building (If you are talking about “wonder”) Burial Sanctuary of Saint James.
Pastores. Vilanii equites. Asturianii montanii
Medium fertility

23
Gharnatah - Elvira
GharnatahI - Gharnatah
elvirans
muslims 79% - christian 20% - pagan 1%
olive, fruits, sugar cane, vineyard, wine, linen, silk, marbre, tiles, slaves
Al-Andalus
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Land clearance. Roads. shrine
Rabita. Rumat Al-Sinniya.
Medium fertility

25
Ishbiliya - Ishbiliya
IshbiliyaI - Ishbiliya
ishbilians
muslims 93% - christian 7%
wheat, goats, fruit, cotton, iron, slaves.
Al-Andalus
Large town. Governor´s villa. Wooden wall. Market. Port. Communal farming. roads. chapel.
Rabita. Rumat Al-Sinniya. Arab light cavalry
High fertility

15
Leon - Legio
Oviedo - Ovietum
asturians
christian 90%- pagan 7% - muslims 3%
wheat, goats, wood, vineyard, wine, silver.
Asturias
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks. Land clearance. shrine
Pastores, vilanii equites, asturianii montanii
Low fertility

22
Murcia - Todmir
MurciaI - Mursiya
mursiyans
muslim 92% - christian 7% - pagan 1%
wheat, olive, vegetables, fruits, sugar cane, silo, silver, marbre
Al-Andalus
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Trader. Land clearance. Roads. shrine
Rabita. Rumat Al-sinniya
Excellent harvest

13
Navarra - Navarra
Pamplona - Pompaelo
Navarres, vascones
christian 75% - pagan 20% - muslims 5%
wheat, furs, Wood, goats, sheep, wool, iron
Rebels (navarrese)
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks.
Vascones tribus
Low fertility

24
Qurtubah - Kambania
QurtubahI - Qurtubah
qurtubans
muslim 92% - christian 8%
wheat, olive, goats, fruits, vineyard, wine, silver, mercury, lead, silk textiles, jewels, glass, slaves
Al-Andalus
Minor city. Governor´s palace. Stone wall. Legion barracks. Forum. Blacksmith. Port. Crop rotation. Paved roads. Academy. Church.
Rabita. Rumat Al-Sinniya. Arab light cavalry
High fertility

20
Sarakusta - Arth
SarakustaI - Sarakusta
sarakustians
muslim 85% - christian 15%
wheat, vineyard, wine, linen textiles, furs, tiles.
Rebel (sarakustians)
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks.Land clearance. Roads. shrine
Rabita. Rumat al-sinniya
Medium fertility

12
Spanish_Mark - Hispaniorum Marca
Barcelona - Barcino
catalonians
christian 86% - pagan 7% - muslim 7%
wheat, vineyard, wine, goats, sheep, wood, wool.
West Frankish empire
Town. Governor´s house. Wooden palisade. Barracks. Land clearance. Shrine
Low fertility

19
Tolaitola - Axerrat
TolaitolaI - Tolaitolah
toledanus (christians)
christian 55% - muslim 45%
wheat, fruits, gold mines.
Al-Andalus or rebels (toledanus). Were a rebellion years 835-837 and 853.
Large town. Governor´s villa. Wooden wall. Market. Land clearance. roads. Shrine.
Rabita. Rumat Al-sinniya


I think Septimania were most commonly knowed at that times as "Gothia" or "Occitania"
Province you named as "Vasconia" is better named IMO as "Gasconia"
You have forgott Balearic Islands! :(

[edyzmedieval]

Unfortunately, Meneldil won't be working for us any more.

Germanicus, can you take care of the map coding?

[Germanicus91]

Unfortunately, Meneldil won't be working for us any more.

Germanicus, can you take care of the map coding?

Hi edyz,

Thanks for your message/request. I will be happy to help. However, please bear in mind the following:

- I have no experience in programming or map-making
- the only modding of RTW I have done is fiddle with some unit stats text files
- I will need to become familiar with any software/methods used to do the coding.

Please give me full details of what you want me to do (in PM if you like), and how I can do it, and then I will do my best :-)

Cheers, Germanicus91

[edyzmedieval]

Well, I want you to learn from the Scriptorium the basics of map making. ~:)
Can you learn and complete our map? :book:

[Germanicus91]

Well, I want you to learn from the Scriptorium the basics of map making. ~:)
Can you learn and complete our map? :book:

OK, edyz, I'll give it a try. I should warn you though I don't have an artistic bone in my body...
I'll get familiar with the map-making procedure and then report back to you, so you can tell me what to do. Best is if you can find a partner for me to work with.

Cheers, Germanicus

[edyzmedieval]

OK, edyz, I'll give it a try. I should warn you though I don't have an artistic bone in my body...
I'll get familiar with the map-making procedure and then report back to you, so you can tell me what to do. Best is if you can find a partner for me to work with.

Cheers, Germanicus

I'm not an artistic bone either, but the way the guys made the graphic part of the RTW map, guess they don't have either. The map_regions.tga looks like it was made by a drunken monkey. :laugh4:

Read carefully Myrddraal's tutorial and you'll have no problems. ~:)

[Germanicus91]

I'm not an artistic bone either, but the way the guys made the graphic part of the RTW map, guess they don't have either. The map_regions.tga looks like it was made by a drunken monkey. :laugh4:

Read carefully Myrddraal's tutorial and you'll have no problems. ~:)

Hi edyz,

Just to let you know that I'm offline now for some days (holiday). I'll try to make some progress learning the map making when I get back. Things have been dead busy in recent weeks.

Cheers, Germanicus91

[edyzmedieval]

Ok man. Have fun. ~:)